Unions call it a Outrage : HighCourt Judge Stops Royal Mail Strike

[arista]

I mean in December it would effect
Post Voters and the Results.......................

The High Court Judge
was Correct to stop a December Strike
from Royal Mail Workers

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-mail-secures-injunction-to-block-christmas-strikes-11860428

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great news like public transport drivers they should be instantly vsacked if they go on strike

[Kizzy]

But it isn't public any longer it's a private company so how?

[Crimson Dynamo]

But it isn't public any longer it's a private company so how?

Any public service provider. Instant dismissal. The reason they strike is because of that, not because they are being ill treated. Nasty, greedy .

[Kizzy]

Any public service provider. Instant dismissal. The reason they strike is because of that, not because they are being ill treated. Nasty, greedy .

It's not a public service though.

[Grim Reaper]

Any public service provider. Instant dismissal. The reason they strike is because of that, not because they are being ill treated. Nasty, greedy .

So sorry to hear views like this from you Mr Trumpet, Mrs Grim Reaper has always said good things about you but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about on this issue. Absolutely nothing to do with greed it's about some grubby little bastard who's sat in his palace in Switzerland trying to sink all Royal Mails standards and commitment to the 6 day universal service to the bottom of the swamp. Rico Back trashed the German postal service and has come to do the same here. Also the court ruling is an absolute farce caused by obvious political pressure and I should point out that the ballot of RM staff took place weeks before any date for general election being announced, and by the way the ballot was the biggest turn out and yes vote of any Union action in the country so what makes it right for all our votes to be dismissed and we be forced to comply with the wishes of some bastard who can't even be bothered to be personally present at negotiations! Just saying and nice to meet you! :fist:

[bots]

i've got my polling day card, so they can strike if they like now :smug:

[Grim Reaper]

I mean in December it would effect
Post Voters and the Results.......................

The High Court Judge
was Correct to stop a December Strike
from Royal Mail Workers

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-mail-secures-injunction-to-block-christmas-strikes-11860428

Hi Arista
The ballot for this strike was taken way before any general election was announced and got the biggest turn out and yes vote ever! Nobody votes for strike action lightly don't forget none of us get paid during a strike!

[Kizzy]

I hope they appeal, what is the point of having rights and organisations to protect those rights when private enterprise can take court action to have those rights overruled?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hi Arista
The ballot for this strike was taken way before any general election was announced and got the biggest turn out and yes vote ever! Nobody votes for strike action lightly don't forget none of us get paid during a strike!

"The judge agreed with the company's lawyers that members were “encouraged” to intercept their ballot papers at work and vote immediately for the 'yes' option, rather than at home away from any pressure. "

:/

DT

[Grim Reaper]

"The judge agreed with the company's lawyers that members were “encouraged” to intercept their ballot papers at work and vote immediately for the 'yes' option, rather than at home away from any pressure. "

:/

DT

That is the biggest load of toss I've ever heard any one have the neck to claim as a viable reason! Firstly not all that many posties work in their own delivery offices and second I actually do work in my office and I pick up my own mail everyday.. I took my ballot paper home and made my vote with Mrs Reaper present and with her consent I might add!

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is the biggest load of toss I've ever heard any one have the neck to claim as a viable reason! Firstly not all that many posties work in their own delivery offices and second I actually do work in my office and I pick up my own mail everyday.. I took my ballot paper home and made my vote with Mrs Reaper present and with her consent I might add!

well thankfully the high court judge based his ruling on more than one anecdotal sliver of evidence

[Twosugars]

So sorry to hear views like this from you Mr Trumpet, Mrs Grim Reaper has always said good things about you but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about on this issue. Absolutely nothing to do with greed it's about some grubby little bastard who's sat in his palace in Switzerland trying to sink all Royal Mails standards and commitment to the 6 day universal service to the bottom of the swamp. Rico Back trashed the German postal service and has come to do the same here. Also the court ruling is an absolute farce caused by obvious political pressure and I should point out that the ballot of RM staff took place weeks before any date for general election being announced, and by the way the ballot was the biggest turn out and yes vote of any Union action in the country so what makes it right for all our votes to be dismissed and we be forced to comply with the wishes of some bastard who can't even be bothered to be personally present at negotiations! Just saying and nice to meet you! :fist:

More or less what my postie told me on this issue.

Well done Grim for standing up! And good luck in future actions

[arista]

Hi Arista
The ballot for this strike was taken way before any general election was announced and got the biggest turn out and yes vote ever! Nobody votes for strike action lightly don't forget none of us get paid during a strike!


Yes but because it was set for December
The High Court was brought in.

[Grim Reaper]

Yes but because it was set for December
The High Court was brought in.

So any dispute can only be acted on so long as it doesn't disrupt Santa, leave it out? Do you know us Posties get to watch a video (are forced to watch) from the bosses and last week they said they would respect the vote and keep it live, meaning we wouldn't have to ballot again, so long as the threat to strike was taken off till after xmas. In other words they had no problem with any so called voting discrepencies and basically if we still wanted to strike after xmas when no one gives a **** that would be ok!!

[hijaxers]

Any public service provider. Instant dismissal. The reason they strike is because of that, not because they are being ill treated. Nasty, greedy .

What complete utter tripe LT shame on you

[Grim Reaper]

well thankfully the high court judge based his ruling on more than one anecdotal sliver of evidence

Oh yeah instead they based it on some concocted bollocks from a nameless RM manager who is no doubt being well renumerated for his completely unsubstantiated evidence! You might not give a **** about your postal service in Scotland but we do down here mate!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh yeah instead they based it on some concocted bollocks from a nameless RM manager who is no doubt being well renumerated for his completely unsubstantiated evidence! You might not give a **** about your postal service in Scotland but we do down here mate!

im afraid the High Court does not work that way, i would try not to listen to gossip at work and read the detailed ruling and evidence (its online)

[Grim Reaper]

im afraid the High Court does not work that way, i would try not to listen to gossip at work and read the detailed ruling and evidence (its online)

Look I'm sorry to have to argue with you but you still don't get it (and I do know the details thanks), here some more details for you.. 110'000 people were balloted with a 76% turn out and a 97% yes vote which makes 81.0982 people voted yes. Not one person over the seven weeks since the ballot made any complaint to the overseeing authorities about being coerced into making a vote one way or the other. Royal Mail have clearly 'incentivized' some compliant twat manager to make up ****e that can't be proven and due to the political pressure that has been exerted upon the laughably impartial judicial system they decided to take that fake evidence as opposed to the opinions of nearly 82'000 other people...sounds like proper justice to me!

[hijaxers]

im afraid the High Court does not work that way, i would try not to listen to gossip at work and read the detailed ruling and evidence (its online)

Gossip at work ~ clueless

[Grim Reaper]

Gossip at work ~ clueless

So right hijaxers for one thing I haven't even been at work to listen to gossip today and even if I had been we barely get time to talk to each other it's that pressurised! I don't know what/who you work for Trumpet but don't expect any help when you need it, s'pose you're just worried about not receiving your fan mail!

[Twosugars]

Any public service provider. Instant dismissal. The reason they strike is because of that, not because they are being ill treated. Nasty, greedy .

What do you know about working conditions in companies privatised by tories?

[Grim Reaper]

What do you know about working conditions in companies privatised by tories?

Nice one Twosugars thank god somebody else gets it!

[Twosugars]

Nice one Twosugars thank god somebody else gets it!

I chat to my postie often enough. It's a disgrace what they're doing to you guys.
Stand strong.

[AnnieK]

To be fair, Royal Mail / Post Office have always been the same. I remember when I was a kid my mum worked for Post Office and my Dad for BT, both were out on strike at the same time...dad was out for weeks. It crippled them financially and took years to recover from. No one takes strike action lightly when it directly impacts them and their families. This high court action seems to be a death knoll for the Unions if voted for actions can be over turned. We are all going to be minions soon. Sorry you're going through this Grim and Mrs Grim

[Grim Reaper]

I chat to my postie often enough. It's a disgrace what they're doing to you guys.
Stand strong.

Thanks mate, give my regards to your Postie!

[Grim Reaper]

To be fair, Royal Mail / Post Office have always been the same. I remember when I was a kid my mum worked for Post Office and my Dad for BT, both were out on strike at the same time...dad was out for weeks. It crippled them financially and took years to recover from. No one takes strike action lightly when it directly impacts them and their families. This high court action seems to be a death knoll for the Unions if voted for actions can be over turned. We are all going to be minions soon. Sorry you're going through this Grim and Mrs Grim

Thank you AnnieK it must have been very hard for them/you and you are so right nobody takes the decision to strike lightly especially at Xmas, i mean who would vote to lose all their pay at this time without bloody good reason?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So right hijaxers for one thing I haven't even been at work to listen to gossip today and even if I had been we barely get time to talk to each other it's that pressurised! I don't know what/who you work for Trumpet but don't expect any help when you need it, s'pose you're just worried about not receiving your fan mail!

I am in the post office 6 days a week the depot once a week and the regional0 hub once a week Iv known postie's and work with them for 20 years. I know the work and workload better than most . Don't give me a sob story, I'm the wrong person.

The strike is off, court ruled. Read the ruling. I did.

[hijaxers]

Thank you AnnieK it must have been very hard for them/you and you are so right nobody takes the decision to strike lightly especially at Xmas, i mean who would vote to lose all their pay at this time without bloody good reason?

Only mean, greedy people obviously:nono:

[Twosugars]

Thanks mate, give my regards to your Postie!

I will. I will tell him about this thread too.
And welcome to the forum. Looking forward to chatting with you more.

[Grim Reaper]

I will. I will tell him about this thread too.
And welcome to the forum. Looking forward to chatting with you more.

You too and thanks for your support it's appreciated!

[Ammi]

...I guess it’s become a barely recognisable workplace, Grim...with some of the changes you’ve seen...and this changes designed to stretch the workers more and more in the name of greed and profit...?...so much talk about ‘making Britain great again’...and this is such an example of the stripping away of that greatness...but sadly it’s just become a catchphrase with no meaning...hmmmm, what I find so, so concerning...is how much the unions seem to be losing their voices, when their function has always been to represent the workforce..I was thinking this a few weeks ago with Asda staff being forced to sign new contracts or face job losses...it’s a time for the rich, sadly...:sad:...and no consolation at all but many people are on your side...:hug:...

[Kizzy]

My dad was a postie too but on the sorting office on nights the majority of his career. Really feel for you too grim, try not to get personally invested in the comments here. Only you are aware of it has impacted on your colleagues and you personally. I agree people who are wholly ignorant to the impact the changes have had on the workforce since privatisation can't and don't know how much stress and pressure it creates as you fight to retain the rights you currently have.
It's happening across the UK, retail staff, train drivers, pilots nobody is safe from the vice like grip of share holders squeezing more and more for less and less.
It has to stop.

[Livia]

Everybody's jobs have changed. The more technological we become, the fewer people we need. And with the advent of the email, the postie's job was never going to remain the same, sadly. I have a wonderful postman called Colin. He doesn't just deliver the post, he collects it from elderly people as we're a bit remote. He checks on people to make sure they're okay, especially in very hot or very cold weather and generally looks after the people on his round. He is a super-nice man... posties do more than just deliver letters.

[Kizzy]

...I guess it’s become a barely recognisable workplace, Grim...with some of the changes you’ve seen...and this changes designed to stretch the workers more and more in the name of greed and profit...?...so much talk about ‘making Britain great again’...and this is such an example of the stripping away of that greatness...but sadly it’s just become a catchphrase with no meaning...hmmmm, what I find so, so concerning...is how much the unions seem to be losing their voices, when their function has always been to represent the workforce..I was thinking this a few weeks ago with Asda staff being forced to sign new contracts or face job losses...it’s a time for the rich, sadly...:sad:...and no consolation at all but many people are on your side...:hug:...

I agree Ammi, the rights and protections we enjoyed from were what made Britain great and set us apart from other countries which still relied on allowing the exploitation of their workforce.
That was a Britain to be proud of, the Britain of venture capitalists rinsing the country and it's people and keeping the money offshore is not.
That catchphrase has no meaning, unless it's meant in the terms of Empire.. and that as history tells us was NOT a time of greatness but great brutality and subjection.
The unions need to find a voice quickly, it's essentially now or never or be permanently muted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

High court rules illegal ballot of RM members = bad ruling, disgrace, yada yada


High court rules Boris broke law - well done justice, scum, he broke rules so end of...


:whistle:

[Livia]

High court rules illegal ballot of RM members = bad ruling, disgrace, yada yada


High court rules Boris broke law - well done justice, scum, he broke rules so end of...


:whistle:

LOL... yes.

[Kizzy]

High court rules illegal ballot of RM members = bad ruling, disgrace, yada yada


High court rules Boris broke law - well done justice, scum, he broke rules so end of...


:whistle:

So whataboutism is ok ...on your terms LT :rolleyes:

As I thought would be appreciated no two cases or courts are alike.. and these two were poles apart.
There is no comparison, as the govt regularly do when challenged the union can appeal... Nothing wrong with that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So whataboutism is ok ...on your terms LT :rolleyes:

As I thought would be appreciated no two cases or courts are alike.. and these two were poles apart.
There is no comparison, as the govt regularly do when challenged the union can appeal... Nothing wrong with that.

yes let them appeal but all their vile leverage (disrupt children's Christmas, feck up a very important election ) is gone. lets see how well they do with a February strike...

[Kizzy]

yes let them appeal but all their vile leverage (disrupt children's Christmas, feck up a very important election ) is gone. lets see how well they do with a February strike...

As said the strike was announced before the election was.

Why are you not worried about the kids of the posties who's mums and dads rights at work are being eroded, how will they enjoy Christmas with the anxiety of unsecured employment like the kids of the Asda employees?

But many won't think that.. they won't give flying feck about those kids as long as their ebay parcel arrives and they get good feedback.

[Grim Reaper]

I am in the post office 6 days a week the depot once a week and the regional0 hub once a week Iv known postie's and work with them for 20 years. I know the work and workload better than most . Don't give me a sob story, I'm the wrong person.

The strike is off, court ruled. Read the ruling. I did.

High court rules illegal ballot of RM members = bad ruling, disgrace, yada yada


High court rules Boris broke law - well done justice, scum, he broke rules so end of...


:whistle:

Well it seems I've been a naughty boy and have upset the sainted Trumpets' sensitive feelings, I could interpret what you said as calling me scum if I had a mind to so touche! I note you still evade telling us what you do in the Post Office 6 days a week so I'll assume you're a Franker possibly with an enlarged right arm due to all that rubber stamping! :shrug: (Do try and nurture a sense of humour!) :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

As said the strike was announced before the election was.

Why are you not worried about the kids of the posties who's mums and dads rights at work are being eroded, how will they enjoy Christmas with the anxiety of unsecured employment like the kids of the Asda employees?

But many won't think that.. they won't give flying feck about those kids as long as their ebay parcel arrives and they get good feedback.

unemployment is at a record low, plenty jobs around - ideal if you do not like the current situation. Amazon are hiring as are all couriers. seekers market.

[arista]

Yes Kizzy
but the Election over rules everything

Even upsetting village halls
as they had a Dinner booked for 12th

[Twosugars]

unemployment is at a record low, plenty jobs around - ideal if you do not like the current situation. Amazon are hiring as are all couriers. seekers market.

Cowards way out that allows employers to get away with treating workers like cattle.
Better to stay put and fight for decent working conditions

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cowards way out that allows employers to get away with treating workers like cattle.
Better to stay put and fight for decent working conditions

well when you find an employer that does treat people like a herd of cows be sure to let us know, as it sounds awful (and unlikely in the UK?)

with links please

[AnnieK]

well when you find an employer that does treat people like a herd of cows be sure to let us know, as it sounds awful (and unlikely in the UK?)

with links please

Have you ever spoken to anyone who works for Amazon??? I have, the conditions there leave a lot to be desired too

[Grim Reaper]

Yes Kizzy
but the Election over rules everything

Even upsetting village halls
as they had a Dinner booked for 12th

Yes the judge actually had the neck to say that the election influenced his decision! Well I'll say it again and sorry folks but the strike ballot was way before the announcement of the General Election so that is not a valid excuse in my book! :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you ever spoken to anyone who works for Amazon??? I have, the conditions there leave a lot to be desired too

Yes my cousin's boy works at the big one in Dunfermline,4 days on 10 hour shifts and loves it. hard work but the time goes quick and he likes his spare time it seems.

work hard and you get on at a big forward company like Amazon

and he gets picked up by the amazon workers bus so job is a good un

[Crimson Dynamo]

dont believe the BS once a year 30 min documentaries like one that was on last week, terrible shoddy programme that amount to nothing more than a tabloid hatchet job for likes

[AnnieK]

dont believe the BS once a year 30 min documentaries like one that was on last week, terrible shoddy programme that amount to nothing more than a tabloid hatchet job for likes

I work in recruitment and have heard first hand of some of the horrors from previous staff members (plural), including some junior managers

Although, I'm glad your cousins son enjoys the work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I work in recruitment and have heard first hand of some of the horrors from previous staff members (plural), including some junior managers

Probably staff with grudges who got canned. they employ 27,500 or so staff so they must be treating them well. their efficiency is excellent. I have a friend in senior management too and get the other side of things, but she loves it and is very well rewarded for her hard work!

[Kizzy]

Yes Kizzy
but the Election over rules everything

Even upsetting village halls
as they had a Dinner booked for 12th

For the 3rd time the strike was called before the election.
Do we live in a democracy or not? We have unions to protect workers rights ... what is it called when those rights are overridden?

[Grim Reaper]

Yes my cousin's boy works at the big one in Dunfermline,4 days on 10 hour shifts and loves it. hard work but the time goes quick and he likes his spare time it seems.

work hard and you get on at a big forward company like Amazon

and he gets picked up by the amazon workers bus so job is a good un

Yeah so see how long he lasts. Btw I like Amazon I use 'em all the time but if you happen to be out when your parcel arrives expect to find it on your doorstep in broad daylight or in a tree, on the roof etc. I could make a living just following an Amazon driver believe! Anyway at least someone likes working for a living eh? :hehe:

[Grim Reaper]

Probably staff with grudges who got canned. they employ 27,500 or so staff so they must be treating them well. their efficiency is excellent. I have a friend in senior management too and get the other side of things, but she loves it and is very well rewarded for her hard work!

Christ that's it LT is Jeff Bezos..undercover boss!:shocked:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah so see how long he lasts. Btw I like Amazon I use 'em all the time but if you happen to be out when your parcel arrives expect to find it on your doorstep in broad daylight or in a tree, on the roof etc. I could make a living just following an Amazon driver believe! Anyway at least someone likes working for a living eh? :hehe:

they make an effort to deliver they dont "forget" to leave a card either...

[Cherie]

No one can top our postie, he puts treats through the letterbox for our doggie :love: and the local cats follow him as well

[arista]

For the 3rd time the strike was called before the election.
Do we live in a democracy or not? We have unions to protect workers rights ... what is it called when those rights are overridden?



Yes we all know that
But a General Election has stopped it.
That is Democracy
Postal votes matter
more than workers anger

[Grim Reaper]

they make an effort to deliver they dont "forget" to leave a card either...

Correct they don't forget they just don't bother!

[Grim Reaper]

For the 3rd time the strike was called before the election.
Do we live in a democracy or not? We have unions to protect workers rights ... what is it called when those rights are overridden?

Thank you Kizzy at least some one gets it!

[Crimson Dynamo]

General Election poll frenzy will deliver Royal Mail a £30million bonus

Royal Mail could receive a £30million windfall from the General Election as the increasingly bitter battle between the political parties continues to escalate.

City broker Peel Hunt said the ‘volume boost’ for the company from electioneering mail and postal votes will come nicely ahead of the critical Christmas trading period when the firm employs around 18,000 casual workers to handle extra post.

It follows Royal Mail’s successful injunction of a strike led by the Communication Workers Union last week, preventing a damaging December walkout.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-7693453/General-Election-poll-frenzy-deliver-Royal-Mail-30million-bonus.html

workers would have chucked this cash bonanza away in order to strike?

[Grim Reaper]

General Election poll frenzy will deliver Royal Mail a £30million bonus

Royal Mail could receive a £30million windfall from the General Election as the increasingly bitter battle between the political parties continues to escalate.

City broker Peel Hunt said the ‘volume boost’ for the company from electioneering mail and postal votes will come nicely ahead of the critical Christmas trading period when the firm employs around 18,000 casual workers to handle extra post.

It follows Royal Mail’s successful injunction of a strike led by the Communication Workers Union last week, preventing a damaging December walkout.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-7693453/General-Election-poll-frenzy-deliver-Royal-Mail-30million-bonus.html

workers would have chucked this cash bonanza away in order to strike?

You bet! I thought you knew better than most about workload, what makes you think that on top of the building Christmas traffic and Black Friday etc Posties would be overjoyed at having to deliver to every house every day for about £30 quid extra in their pay, and let me tell you going to approx 1200 properties every day with election ****e is no easy task! And please don't waste your time coming back with rubbish like it's your job get on with it cos I'd like to see you do it! :fist: I've personally walked over 6.5 million steps in last 12 months, how about you..bout 500 back n forth to Post Office?

[Cherie]

Don’t start him off on how many steps he does Grimmy :omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You bet! I thought you knew better than most about workload, what makes you think that on top of the building Christmas traffic and Black Friday etc Posties would be overjoyed at having to deliver to every house every day for about £30 quid extra in their pay, and let me tell you going to approx 1200 properties every day with election ****e is no easy task! And please don't waste your time coming back with rubbish like it's your job get on with it cos I'd like to see you do it! :fist: I've personally walked over 6.5 million steps in last 12 months, how about you..bout 500 back n forth to Post Office?

I did 14,557 steps yesterday at the shops and i was pushing my mother in a wheelchair.

and there was no WH Smiths at this Livingston place so i never got to go into a shop I liked to look at the magazines

#swindled :hmph:

[Grim Reaper]

Don’t start him off on how many steps he does Grimmy :omgno:

Gotcha :laugh: