Tibb..and diversity.

[Jessica.]

I don't really know what you mean by 'cis' but moving on. Have i said once that some black people don't face struggles because they're black? Same with Asians, same with gay people, with trans people? No!

Your hatred of 'straight white cis men' is very telling (and by the tone of your post it's pretty deep seeded). A straight man, black, white, asian will not face homophobic abuse, i agree. However a white man can be racially abused, as can a black man, as can an asian man.

Do you dismiss black racism against asians , and vice versa? (which is more common than people like to admit). Do you dismiss the good people do, white, black, gay, straight? Your opinion is that a straight white male is privileged in a way that they can't sympathise with those who face abuse because of colour and sexuality which simply isn't true.

Again it goes back to the 'well f u, you're white, straight and male, you're the enemy' argument which is rather draconian, ill informed and a very dangerous mind set to adopt.There you go again playing the victim. I never once said that straight white cis men couldn't experience hardships. I don't hate anyone. The person I love most in the world is a straight white man. I would never say that any type of discrimination doesn't exist, of course people of colour could be racist towards people of other ethnicities. I just personally don't believe that what a white guy in the UK feels is racism to them can be classified as actual racism because racism isn't name-calling, it's an ignorant way of life.

[Swan]

There you go again playing the victim. I never once said that straight white cis men couldn't experience hardships. I don't hate anyone. The person I love most in the world is a straight white man. I would never say that any type of discrimination doesn't exist, of course people of colour could be racist towards people of other ethnicities. I just personally don't believe that what a white guy in the UK feels is racism to them can be classified as actual racism because racism isn't name-calling, it's an ignorant way of life.

No no, im not playing the victim, im generalising, but there you go again reading into my post only you want to see to fit your own agenda.

This attitude of 'you're not the victim mr straight white male, everyone else is the victim' is just utter nonsense.

And ok, you don't personally agree, that's fair enough. And i fully agree white racism (be that gay, straight, trans, woman, male, cis, gender fluid, and whatever else) is white racism, and white towards any other race on the whole probably do feel this superiority . Believe it or not, a white woman can be racist, a white gay male, female can be racist, as can and trans and whatever else. In my life i've know just as many female racists as i have male. Racism is not exclusive to anyone. The straight white male isn't to blame here, bad people are.

[Oliver_W]

I just personally don't believe that what a white guy in the UK feels is racism to them can be classified as actual racism because racism isn't name-calling, it's an ignorant way of life.

People of other ethnicities can be ignorant and bigoted toward white people, so that would make them racist.

[Ant.]

Are we still entertaining them

[Swan]

Are we still entertaining them

Who is 'them' ?

[Beso]

Are we still entertaining them

Excuse me....this thread was about pale stale males being ridiculed on this forum....it seems to have been changed into a pity party for everyone but those people..

[Jessica.]

Excuse me....this thread was about pale stale males being ridiculed on this forum....it seems to have been changed into a pity party for everyone but those people..So you're admitting that you made this thread so people would pity you? Poor you, the adversity you face must be so hard. :bawling:

[Oliver_W]

So you're admitting that you made this thread so people would pity you? Poor you, the adversity you face must be so hard. :bawling:

Maybe it is, you don't know anything about Parm's life.

[Beso]

So you're admitting that you made this thread so people would pity you? Poor you, the adversity you face must be so hard. :bawling:

No I made it to point out tibb's hypocrisy. .

[Swan]

So you're admitting that you made this thread so people would pity you? Poor you, the adversity you face must be so hard. :bawling:

Christ, do you not see the ignorance in your own posts? You're one of the problematic people who are holding us back.

......

[Jessica.]

......So I'm a hypocrite for not feeling sorry for Parm because he's offended by things said on the forum? He treats other people worse every day.

[Swan]

So I'm a hypocrite for nor feeling sorry for Parm because he's offended by things said on the forum?

You're a hypocrite for your double standards, yes.

[Twosugars]

You're a hypocrite for your double standards, yes.

Oh no she isn't

Parmnion's "hardships" on the forum are of his own making.

[Beso]

Oh no she isn't

Parmnion's "hardships" on the forum are of his own making.

By having a different opinion to the vast majority...how dare I. :shrug:

[Twosugars]

By having a different opinion to the vast majority...how dare I. :shrug:

No. Guess again

[JerseyWins]

Every race, gender, age is stereotyped in life by every race, gender, age. A lot of times it's just unintentionally and ignorantly (a LOT of ignorant posts towards whites on this forum and in this thread for example I'm just sayin). Plenty minorities have had it rough though, particularly decades ago, so it rightly hits harder and hurts more (has more impact, more past-influence, more psychological effect) and that's why I wouldn't really compare but to say minorities can't be bigoted or discriminating towards whites/other races is just wrong. Minorities also may face more hardships to this day simply for their skin color but overall as a world we've been continually moving in the right direction. Minorities have tons of opportunity in 2019 heading into 2020 and while you can't remove all racist assholes and racist thoughts (it's literally not possible), it helps to see the world for what it is: imperfect but improving. Just let the hatred simmer rather than add to it and further divide the world. You can very clearly see progress is being made when you take a step back and look at how different things were just 10, 20, 50 years ago. :shrug:

****, a black man was just president in the US for 8 years. That said, Trump as president right now obviously doesn't help when it comes to racial issues and dividing races.

I could just be ignorant and racism really still is a "major" issue today rather than an issue that still exists though. I have zero prejudices or hatred towards any race ever and I assume most people are that way from what I see & hear but obviously I don't know that. IRL I do notice that minorities I'm close to don't have these major racial issues towards/against them unless it's behind their backs or happens when they're alone and they don't express it etc. Racism still happens around the world for sure but is it something where majority or nearly every black man or woman etc. is fighting obstacles for their equality in 2019? I don't really think it's the case tbh and that might be ****ty to think but I legit view the world as pretty equal just with exceptions. :idc: There might be prejudices that come around at times, and for blacks it's a lot more impactful than other races because of the history, but overall I feel there is a lot of equality these days and hopefully it continues to improve and there aren't too many setbacks that occur. (again, Trump factors into a few setbacks recently)

[Marsh.]

He uses a speech to text program which causes his posts to be formatted like that. It's still annoying though.

Oh I didn't know this.

Makes so much more sense.

[Marsh.]

Being white old and male isn't the problem. It's the drink. Seriously, pull it back.

[Marsh.]

He can have a sick bag to deal with your ott niceness.

Not sure why you have posted this at me as I have no idea what you are ranting about...but merry Xmas to you to...now of you pop and tell someone how wonderful they are...again and again and again.

Nasty vitriol aimed at people who have been nothing but respectful towards you. Doing loads for that reputation.

[Toy Soldier]

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism. :skull:

See, it isn't actually untrue that it's a factor but it's one that actually DEMONSTRATES the white male privilege.

It has been statistically proven that attractive people "have it easier" in many ways... people respond better subconsciously, more likely to be approved for various things, more likely to get jobs, right down to the simplest day to day things e.g. more likely to be helped (enthusiastically) in a store when asking.

BUT

It matters less for straight white males. The "boost" given by being physically attractive for women and ethnic minorities beyond their actual qualifications and experience is HUGE. The boost for straight white men exists but is minimal.

So for example, an attractive black female probably ends up with similar hiring chances as a **** ugly white man (if their qualifications are similar).

A black woman of average attractiveness vs a conventionally attractive white male is at a distinct disadvantage in almost every hiring situation, no matter how hard some people WANT to believe that we're "all on an equal footing these days".

[Ashley.]

You're making things up unless you source it. I can just as easily say "mental health in BAME groups is better than ever"

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/a-to-z/b/black-asian-and-minority-ethnic-bame-communities

Highlights:

- Research suggests that experiencing racism can be very stressful and have a negative effect on overall health and mental health
- There is a growing body of research to suggest that those exposed to racism may be more likely to experience mental health problems such as psychosis and depression

Some other important things to note:

- Among 16 to 24 year olds, unemployment rates are highest for people from a Black background (26%) and from a Pakistani or Bangladeshi background (23%) in comparison with their White counterparts (11%)
- Even when employed, men and women from some ethnic groups are paid less on average than those from other groups with similar qualifications and experience
- Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities consistently have high rates of poverty, as do Black, Chinese and Other ethnic communities
- Homelessness is a key issue among minority ethnic groups, with 37% of statutory homeless households from a ‘BME background’ in 2013

But yeah, equal footing...

[Beso]

No. Guess again

For being white old and stale?

[Beso]

Being white old and male isn't the problem. It's the drink. Seriously, pull it back.

I hardly drink.

Unless it's a special occasion then I do...big time...I do have a good few special occasions. .like tonight l, when I'm sitting up awaiting the arrival of my bigger sisters 23 yr old daughter arriving back from a night out in edinburgh with her pal in a taxi to my wee sisters house in prestonpans......one of them is back...bit uncle parmy is waiting up


Worried sick....sober as a judge

[Withano]

Imagine there’s millions of people in the world whose life is completely destroyed by social discrimination - and then you get some people who actively try to be any type of victim just because they’re a little hungry for attention and sympathy.

[Cherie]

A Style of Writing is not a problem
it's what you say that matters.

Arista :clap1:

[Oliver_W]

Imagine there’s millions of people in the world whose life is completely destroyed by social discrimination - and then you get some people who actively try to be any type of victim just because they’re a little hungry for attention and sympathy.

It's a big world and most of it is crap, no-one would deny that. But most of the west has moved on :)

[Withano]

It's a big world and most of it is crap, no-one would deny that. But most of the west has moved on :)

Glad to see you’ve learned something since the beginning of the thread.

[Oliver_W]

Glad to see you’ve learned something since the beginning of the thread.

I was only ever referring to the UK :shrug: sorry if that wasn't clear :)

[Withano]

I was only ever referring to the UK :shrug: sorry if that wasn't clear :)

That’s fine lad :)


Now you just need to comprehend the magnitude of the issue that some of the West - not moving on - can have on people, particularly minorities - and then honestly, you’re done.

[Oliver_W]

That’s fine lad :)


Now you just need to comprehend the magnitude that some of the West - not moving on - can have on people, particularly minorities - and then honestly, you’re done.

Again, I've never denied that discrimination exists and is damaging, on a personal level. I just have a caveat that you might not agree with, that anyone can discriminate or be discriminated against, depending on individual circumstances.

I never meant to paint the UK as a paradise or anything :joker:

[Beso]

They both got in ok in the end..looking pretty rough today though....time for some loud music and a hoover I think

[Withano]

Again, I've never denied that discrimination exists and is damaging, on a personal level. I just have a caveat that you might not agree with, that anyone can discriminate or be discriminated against, depending on individual circumstances.

I never meant to paint the UK as a paradise or anything :joker:

You put that point across dreadfully no offence

[Beso]

Imagine there’s millions of people in the world whose life is completely destroyed by social discrimination - and then you get some people who actively try to be any type of victim just because they’re a little hungry for attention and sympathy.



And imagine being a total ****.:shrug:

[Withano]

And imagine being a total ****.:shrug:

Feel free to share your experience with this in another thread.

[Oliver_W]

You put that point across dreadfully no offence

I'm sometimes blunt/flippant/dismissive, something I need to work on!

Out of interest, do you disagree with the "broad strokes"? That as a whole, the UK is perfectly accepting, but of course there are people who victimise others, and the people on both sides of this can be anyone?

[Withano]

I'm sometimes blunt/flippant/dismissive, something I need to work on!

Out of interest, do you disagree with the "broad strokes"? That as a whole, the UK is perfectly accepting, but of course there are people who victimise others, and the people on both sides of this can be anyone?

I don’t think it’s very helpful to compare 1 in a million to several hundred thousand in a million for the sake of screaming that it happens on both sides so everybody should get over it.

[Marsh.]

I'm sometimes blunt/flippant/dismissive, something I need to work on!

Out of interest, do you disagree with the "broad strokes"? That as a whole, the UK is perfectly accepting, but of course there are people who victimise others, and the people on both sides of this can be anyone?

Broad strokes doesn't work when you're trying to compare being called spotty to racism. It's not equal and it's not the same.

[Oliver_W]

Broad strokes doesn't work when you're trying to compare being called spotty to racism. It's not equal and it's not the same.

They're both insults based on surface traits. In this age of equality, health-shaming and using racial slurs are on par.

[Marsh.]

They're both insults based on surface traits. In this age of equality, health-shaming and using racial slurs are on par.

If you a wilfully ignorant and see racism as solely childish name-calling.

[Twosugars]

They're both insults based on surface traits. In this age of equality, health-shaming and using racial slurs are on par.

Racism is not just about disliking darker skin though is it

It is about seeing other races as inferior, intellectually inferior. Actually inferior in every way with exception of brutal strength re the black race
Why monkey comparisons do you think?

:facepalm:

You cant be that ignorant Oliver:o