Tibb..and diversity.

[Beso]

This is NOT big brother...


Im not seeing much love for the pale stale male on this forum, it's not thier fault they were born that colour..


For a forum set up to celebrate big brother, and big brother that has championed diversity for too many years for me to care to remember. For that forum and it's members to isolate and slander and name call pale stale males...really really really upsets me.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Does pale stale male mean white guys

[Beso]

And I get called hypocritical...falls out the cracker...into my lap...


Toot toot goes my blowup whistle, xmas hat perched nervously on top of my oversized head...


Thats what I will be smiling smugly to myself at the xmas table.

[Beso]

Does pale stale male mean white guys

I ain't got a clue...I know it's a derogatory term though towards ones colour.

[Jessica.]

I ain't got a clue...I know it's a derogatory term though towards ones colour.There is no such thing as a derogatory term for a white person based on their ethnicity.

[Cherie]

There is no such thing as a derogatory term for a white person based on their ethnicity.

Is pale and stale a compliment :laugh:

[Ant.]

Is pale and stale a compliment :laugh:

whenever my mum describes the bread like this, i still break out the butter and make a peanut butter and jam sandwich :drool:

[Cherie]

whenever my mum describes the bread like this, i still break out the butter and make a peanut butter and jam sandwich :drool:

:joker:

[Withano]

I ain't got a clue...I know it's a derogatory term though towards ones colour.

How do you know there’s no love for them if you ain’t got a clue what it means

[Marsh.]

Does pale stale male mean white guys

Pale =white
Stale=old

[Ant.]

"pale stale male" sounds like the last lines of an Iggy Azalea verse

[Toy Soldier]

Shrug.

I'm a straight white male and not that young and I'm feeling the TiBB love :hee:. It's all about attitude, Parmy :nono:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Shrug.

I'm a straight white male and not that young and I'm feeling the TiBB love :hee:. It's all about attitude, Parmy :nono:

You’re not older than 40 though right?

[Toy Soldier]

You’re not older than 40 though right?

No. Is that when stale happens?

[Marsh.]

You’re not older than 40 though right?

You after a daddy?

[Kate!]

You after a daddy?

A sugar daddy!!

[Swan]

The sjw's are a joke on this forum, being straight, a male and white is a sin here.

[Marsh.]

The sjw's are a joke on this forum, being straight, a male and white is a sin here.

Give over.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

The sjw's are a joke on this forum, being straight, a male and white is a sin here.

As it should be!

[Marsh.]

The sjw's are a joke on this forum, being straight, a male and white is a sin here.

Nah, the issue is white, straight and male thinking they're more hard done by than people who aren't white/straight/male which I guess went over your head?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Give over.

Nah, the issue is white, straight and male thinking they're more hard done by than people who aren't white/straight/male which I guess went over your head?

She’s so passionate about this she quoted it twice

SJW KWEEN!

[Swan]

Nah, the issue is white, straight and male thinking they're more hard done by than people who aren't white/straight/male which I guess went over your head?

The issue is assumption.

No it didn't go over my head, it's a ridiculous argument though.

Waaaah poor me, im a victim etc. The straight white is the devil and so on.

It's funny, lots of these middle class, starbucks drinking, we're gonna change the world uni types who buy into all this bs are usually living off daddies money. Straight. White. Male.

The hypocrisy is astounding. However all this extreme left pc nonsense hasn't exactly got these people anywhere. The proof is in the pudding :)

[Swan]

Good articulate argument, some great points made there :)

edit - in response to a useless deleted post

[Jessica.]

https://i.imgflip.com/3bnlis.jpg

[Niamh.]

You’re not older than 40 though right?I'm 41 you heartless bastard [emoji27]

[Kate!]

I'm 41 you heartless bastard [emoji27]

Thats nothing Neem. I am 50. :fist:

[Jessica.]

I don't think you can call all people in their 40's old, some people that age are old though, just because of their old fashioned outlook on the world.

[Jessica.]

I'm 41 you heartless bastard [emoji27]

Thats nothing Neem. I am 50. :fist:

You are both wonderful young ladies.

(Also Niamh it feels like you were 32 two years ago wth)

[Swan]

I don't think you can call all people in their 40's old, some people that age are old though, just because of their old fashioned outlook on the world.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Kate!]

Makes no sense whatsoever.

Makes perfect sense to moi. :pipe:

[Niamh.]

Nah, the issue is white, straight and male thinking they're more hard done by than people who aren't white/straight/male which I guess went over your head?Yeah agree with that, I dont agree with Jessica that white people cant ever have derogatory comments against them because of their ethnicity though, no offence Jess but that's just stupid.

[Marsh.]

She’s so passionate about this she quoted it twice

SJW KWEEN!

:joker:

[Marsh.]

The issue is assumption.

No it didn't go over my head, it's a ridiculous argument though.

Waaaah poor me, im a victim etc. The straight white is the devil and so on.

It's funny, lots of these middle class, starbucks drinking, we're gonna change the world uni types who buy into all this bs are usually living off daddies money. Straight. White. Male.

The hypocrisy is astounding. However all this extreme left pc nonsense hasn't exactly got these people anywhere. The proof is in the pudding :)

Except nobody says that.

A discussion about homophobia, sexism or racism is normally met by "I'm a man and I..." "But I'm white I don't have it easy" "I'm straight it doesn't mean I have an easy life" which misses the point.

Straight white men aren't attacked, they are disqualified from bleating about racism, sexism and homophobia which they don't experience. They tend to see it as an attack, however, which leads to the problem.

[Marsh.]

Makes no sense whatsoever.

It does. Age can be a mindset, hence the ones who appear older/younger than their years. :hee:

[Oliver_W]

There is no such thing as a derogatory term for a white person based on their ethnicity.

Cracker and honky are slurs against white people.

[Kate!]

It does. Age can be a mindset, hence the ones who appear older/younger than their years. :hee:

Yes. Age is an attitude.

[Niamh.]

Except nobody says that.

A discussion about homophobia, sexism or racism is normally met by "I'm a man and I..." "But I'm white I don't have it easy" "I'm straight it doesn't mean I have an easy life" which misses the point.

Straight white men aren't attacked, they are disqualified from bleating about racism, sexism and homophobia which they don't experience. They tend to see it as an attack, however, which leads to the problem.Yeah 100%

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I'm 41 you heartless bastard [emoji27]

You’re irish it’s different over there

[Kate!]

You’re irish it’s different over there

:joker::joker::joker:

[Marsh.]

https://i1.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Galadriel_mournful.jpg?fit=740%2C+9999&crop=0%2C0%2C100%2C412px&ssl=1

Ageless Niamh at 20... and 30.... and 40....

[Jessica.]

Cracker and honky are slurs against white people.

I know that words like that exist, I just don't believe they are actually offensive. The people who have been known to use words like that have had it a lot worse.

[Jessica.]

I miss seeing Niamh sitting at her fireplace, glowing in the light of her burning cigarette, :love:

[Marsh.]

I forgot she smoked.

[Niamh.]

You’re irish it’s different over thereGood answer [emoji106]

[Swan]

Except nobody says that.

A discussion about homophobia, sexism or racism is normally met by "I'm a man and I..." "But I'm white I don't have it easy" "I'm straight it doesn't mean I have an easy life" which misses the point.

Straight white men aren't attacked, they are disqualified from bleating about racism, sexism and homophobia which they don't experience. They tend to see it as an attack, however, which leads to the problem.

Sexism, racism and homophobia aren't the only thing people face in this world. No matter race, religion, sexuality, gender, **** happens and life isn't easy. White males do face racism, this is just fact. White straight males are not immune to rape, to murder, to bullying. They're not immune depression, anxiety, cancer, disease. Straight white males may not face homophobia, granted, but they do face hate crimes, they do face sexism and they also face plenty of struggles. Just like everyone else.

[Marsh.]

https://timeincsecure-a.akamaihd.net/rtmp_uds/219646971/201511/3839/219646971_4608123758001_video-still-for-video-4608075149001.jpg?pubId=219646971&videoId=4608075149001

Ageless Niamh at 20... and 30.... and 40....

[Niamh.]

I miss seeing Niamh sitting at her fireplace, glowing in the light of her burning cigarette, :love:[emoji23][emoji173]

[Jessica.]

I forgot she smoked.

She smoked up the chimney because she is polite and didn't want to make things stink for her family. :lovedup:

[Oliver_W]

The people who have been known to use words like that have had it a lot worse.

Living on a council estate doesn't excuse using slurs. All ethnicities are equally "privileged" now, so there's no punching up when it comes to racism.

[Kate!]

I miss seeing Niamh sitting at her fireplace, glowing in the light of her burning cigarette, :love:

Very poetic :love:

[Marsh.]

Sexism, racism and homophobia aren't the only thing people face in this world. No matter race, religion, sexuality, gender, **** happens and life isn't easy. White males do face racism, this is just fact. White straight males are not immune to rape, to murder, to bullying. They're not immune depression, anxiety, cancer, disease. Straight white males may not face homophobia, granted, but they do face hate crimes, they do face sexism and they also face plenty of struggles. Just like everyone else.

You've just illustrated my point... whataboutery.

Nobody said sexism, racism and homophobia are the only things people face....YOU just brought that up.

Just as anytime those issues or discussions are raised are met by "But I go through this...." as though having a victim complex and can't just accept that in some ways you are more fortunate to be born one way rather than another.

EVERYONE goes through things, but a white person bleating about how hard done by they are by having white skin or a straight person about the difficulty they face due to their sexuality or a man about the sexism they face is actually gross.

Can a white person face racism? Yeah sure. Can a straight person receive abuse for being straight? Probably. Do men ever hear derogatory things about their gender? Yes.
Does that mean straight white men are a sidelined minority in society who face these discriminations at every turn in life? No it bloody doesn't.

[Marsh.]

All ethnicities are equally "privileged" now

:facepalm: Not enough facepalms in the world for this.

[Jessica.]

Living on a council estate doesn't excuse using slurs. All ethnicities are equally "privileged" now, so there's no punching up when it comes to racism.

I didn't say anything about living on a council estate. :shrug: I was saying that those words would generally be used by people of colour who have to worry about how people are going to treat them every day. Even the richest people of colour can feel targeted and want to retaliate with words like that.

[Oliver_W]

:facepalm: Not enough facepalms in the world for this.

We are though?

Facepalming isn't a rebuttal, having more melanin in one's skin won't touch their life any more.

[Jessica.]

You've just illustrated my point... whataboutery.

Nobody said sexism, racism and homophobia are the only things people face....YOU just brought that up.

Just as anytime those issues or discussions are raised are met by "But I go through this...." as though having a victim complex and can't just accept that in some ways you are more fortunate to be born one way rather than another.

EVERYONE goes through things, but a white person bleating about how hard done by they are by having white skin or a straight person about the difficulty they face due to their sexuality or a man about the sexism they face is actually gross.

Can a white person face racism? Yeah sure. Can a straight person receive abuse for being straight? Probably. Do men ever hear derogatory things about their gender? Yes.
Does that mean straight white men are a sidelined minority in society who face these discriminations at every turn in life? No it bloody doesn't.

:clap1:

[Marsh.]

We are though?

Facepalming isn't a rebuttal, having more melanin in one's skin won't touch their life any more.

Facepalming is the only response to this ignorant bollocks. I won't bother educating you if you won't educate yourself.

[Jessica.]

We are though?

Facepalming isn't a rebuttal, having more melanin in one's skin won't touch their life any more.

This is the most ignorant thing I've seen anyone say in a long time.

[Oliver_W]

Facepalming is the only response to this ignorant bollocks. I won't bother educating you if you won't educate yourself.

You're just saying "you're wrong" without elaborating, there's no reason to think ethnicity has any bearing on one's life anymore, it's not the 1950s.

[Kate!]

You're just saying "you're wrong" without elaborating, there's no reason to think ethnicity has any bearing on one's life anymore, it's not the 1950s.

Dear me.

[Swan]

You've just illustrated my point... whataboutery.

Nobody said sexism, racism and homophobia are the only things people face....YOU just brought that up.

Just as anytime those issues or discussions are raised are met by "But I go through this...." as though having a victim complex and can't just accept that in some ways you are more fortunate to be born one way rather than another.

EVERYONE goes through things, but a white person bleating about how hard done by they are by having white skin or a straight person about the difficulty they face due to their sexuality or a man about the sexism they face is actually gross.

Can a white person face racism? Yeah sure. Can a straight person receive abuse for being straight? Probably. Do men ever hear derogatory things about their gender? Yes.
Does that mean straight white men are a sidelined minority in society who face these discriminations at every turn in life? No it bloody doesn't.

No i haven't illustrated your point, your argument is this 'white privilege' which doesn't exist in the real world, it may exist in super wealth, but not in every day life, for every day people. Im not moaning that 'i go through this, i go through that because im white' im merely pointing out no one really has it worse than anyone else nowadays, every race, every religion, every gender, they all face struggles and hardship.

My point is this 'f u for being a white man you're scum by default' is not only racist, sexism and against what diversity stands for, it's also extremely damaging for society. All it does is divides us further when isn't the goal accepting all colours, creeds, religion, people?

[Oliver_W]

The only kind of "privilege" which exists any more is wealth. Gender and ethnicity don't make a difference. A BAME person could have had my exact same life up until this point, and nothing at all would be different.

[Marsh.]

No i haven't illustrated your point, your argument is this 'white privilege' which doesn't exist in the real world, it may exist in super wealth, but not in every day life, for every day people. Im not moaning that 'i go through this, i go through that because im white' im merely pointing out no one really has it worse than anyone else nowadays, every race, every religion, every gender, they all face struggles and hardship.

My point is this 'f u for being a white man you're scum by default' is not only racist, sexism and against what diversity stands for, it's also extremely damaging for society. All it does is divides us further when isn't the goal accepting all colours, creeds, religion, people?

You are illustrating my point. NOBODY said that everyone doesn't have struggles.
NOBODY said white men are scum by default.

Are your struggles based on the colour of your skin, your sexuality or your gender? No. So jumping onto the sexism, homophobia and racism with a "WHAT ABOUT ME?" is irrelevant and gross.

The fact I have to actually explain that is kind of ridiculous.

[Marsh.]

The only kind of "privilege" which exists any more is wealth. Gender and ethnicity don't make a difference. A BAME person could have had my exact same life up until this point, and nothing at all would be different.

"Could" well great, good to know they "could". Because your experiences and your life are obviously the same for everyone the world over.

[Swan]

You are illustrating my point. NOBODY said that everyone doesn't have struggles.
NOBODY said white men are scum by default.

Are your struggles based on the colour of your skin, your sexuality or your gender? No. So jumping onto the sexism, homophobia and racism with a "WHAT ABOUT ME?" is irrelevant and gross.

The fact I have to actually explain that is kind of ridiculous.

Ok then, as we're not understanding each other here, are you saying that a homosexual will be subject to more abuse in life because of their sexuality?

It's got NOTHING to do with 'WHAT ABOUT ME' it's about being equal.

[Liam-]

The day straight couples are scared to hold hands in the street is the day I listen to straights giving lectures about the easiness of the lives of homosexuals, please and thankyou.

[Marsh.]

Ok then, as we're not understanding each other here, are you saying that a homosexual will be subject to more abuse in life because of their sexuality?

It's got NOTHING to do with 'WHAT ABOUT ME' it's about being equal.

More abuse as in homophobia? Well, yes. That much is obvious.

Are you saying you experience more homophobia than someone who isn't straight? I hardly think so.

Would you claim you experience more sexism than women? I doubt it.

Do you experience racism more than a non-white person? Again, I doubt it.

It is about "WHAT ABOUT ME?" as you brought depression and illness etc into the discussion. Who told you non-white, non-straight and females are the only people who can get ill? :shrug:

[Swan]

The day straight couples are scared to hold hands in the street is the day I listen to the straights giving lectures about the easiness of the lives of homosexuals, please and thankyou.

Who said it was easy being gay? I certainly didn't, stop twisting peoples words. And i agree there are certain place in Britain, in Europe and all over the world where a gay couple holding hands is frowned upon. I mean i wouldn't recommend a gay couple holding hands in any of the Muslim communities in Britain, same goes for some Christian communities. People in general have no problem with a persons sexuality, religion however does.

[Twosugars]

The only kind of "privilege" which exists any more is wealth. Gender and ethnicity don't make a difference. A BAME person could have had my exact same life up until this point, and nothing at all would be different.

Gender and ethnicity dont make a difference? Are you unwell?
You are confusing aspiration with reality. And not even universal aspiration at that.
It's embarrassing to even explain this to you, you're a grown up man, not a child high on fairytale stories

[Swan]

More abuse as in homophobia? Well, yes. That much is obvious.

Are you saying you experience more homophobia than someone who isn't straight? I hardly think so.

Would you claim you experience more sexism than women? I doubt it.

Do you experience racism more than a non-white person? Again, I doubt it.

It is about "WHAT ABOUT ME?" as you brought depression and illness etc into the discussion. Who told you non-white, non-straight and females are the only people who can get ill? :shrug:

No.

No.

I have had my fair share of racism growing up on a London council estate that was predominantly black, yes.

But my argument is this white male privileged, which on the whole is a myth, and in order for us to progress this ridiculous terminology needs to stop. All it does is create a bigger divide and we end up with morons like Trump, and Johnson at the helm!

[Twosugars]

Two strategies employed by certain ideologies on display here
1. Discrimination does not exist
2. But the majority is also discriminated against

Take your pick, the post truth world is here

[Jessica.]

It's extremely sad when you realise that there are people who don't have any minorities in their lives who they care about or pay attention to.

[Oliver_W]

Gender and ethnicity dont make a difference? Are you unwell?
You are confusing aspiration with reality. And not even universal aspiration at that.
It's embarrassing to even explain this to you, you're a grown up man, not a child high on fairytale stories
You've not explained anything, just contradicted.
People of both genders and all ethnicities have the same opportunities in life. In what way would it make a difference any more?
Apart from obvious things like if a woman wanted to be a sperm doner or footballer

[Jessica.]

No.

No.

I have had my fair share of racism growing up on a London council estate that was predominantly black, yes.

But my argument is this white male privileged, which on the whole is a myth, and in order for us to progress this ridiculous terminology needs to stop. All it does is create a bigger divide and we end up with morons like Trump, and Johnson at the helm!

Are you saying you're white and black people were racist towards you?

[Swan]

Two strategies employed by certain ideologies on display here
1. Discrimination does not exist
2. But the majority is also discriminated against

Take your pick, the post truth world is here

1. Incorrect.

2. Correct.

[Marsh.]

No.

No.

I have had my fair share of racism growing up on a London council estate that was predominantly black, yes.

But my argument is this white male privileged, which on the whole is a myth, and in order for us to progress this ridiculous terminology needs to stop. All it does is create a bigger divide and we end up with morons like Trump, and Johnson at the helm!

A myth? Explain how so.

Because being white doesn't make you immune to depression so it means racism doesn't exist? That's a false equivalency.

[Twosugars]

1. Incorrect.

2. Correct.

Post truth option 2

Ollie post truth option 1

[Jessica.]

You've not explained anything, just contradicted.
People of both genders and all ethnicities have the same opportunities in life. In what way would it make a difference any more?
Apart from obvious things like if a woman wanted to be a sperm doner or footballer


It would be wonderful if everyone had the same opportunities in life but we don't and it's disgusting. People are still discriminated against constantly. Xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, you name it, those things are present all over in the UK, USA, Ireland, Australia, everywhere you might think people would be treated equally in 2019.

[Swan]

Are you saying you're white and black people were racist towards you?

Yes as a kid and teen i was mocked for being white. **** happens, no big deal, education is key, and white or black, the education was bad where i grew up.

As it happens im best friends now with one of the worst for the bullying back then. We realised our love of rap music and were inseparable for then onwards. Colour was no longer an issue, we bonded over our love of music.

[Swan]

A myth? Explain how so.

Because being white doesn't make you immune to depression so it means racism doesn't exist? That's a false equivalency.

Read my other posts.

White male privileged in everyday life is a myth, yes. I mean there are laws in place that make sure of that.

[Oliver_W]

Post truth option 2

Ollie post truth option 1

I didn't say anything about discrimination? I said everyone has the same opportunities in the modern world. Unless you think an employer is going to choose not to hire someone due to their race? Nah.

[Marsh.]

Yes as a kid and teen i was mocked for being white. **** happens, no big deal, education is key, and white or black, the education was bad where i grew up.

As it happens im best friends now with one of the worst for the bullying back then. We realised our love of rap music and were inseparable for then onwards. Colour was no longer an issue, we bonded over our love of music.

That's awful, terrible you had to experience that in your childhood.

Would you say this kind of experience means that in general racism is an even field when it comes to all colours of skin/ethnicities or would you accept that in society people with white skin have it much easier when it comes to racism. And by racism I'm not just talking about overt racism (name calling in the street etc).

Again, racism doesn't mean that only one select group of people experience any one thing. It's discussing it at a societal level. White straight males are not a repressed minority. If by me saying that it offends you and makes you think I've said you're immune from hardship then that's a mindset you need to change, no one else, as the fact I stated in no way states that you have had an "easy" life.

[Jessica.]

Yes as a kid and teen i was mocked for being white. **** happens, no big deal, education is key, and white or black, the education was bad where i grew up.

As it happens im best friends now with one of the worst for the bullying back then. We realised our love of rap music and were inseparable for then onwards. Colour was no longer an issue, we bonded over our love of music.

There is a difference between being mocked and stereotyped and experiencing racism. If those people were racist then they wouldn't have become your friends. If you mean you were literally a very young primary school aged child when this happened then those children were probably mimicking things they had heard from adults and weren't actually racist either.

Racism hurts, it makes people feel like they are second class citizens, it makes people feel like they're not good enough. People who experience racism have to work harder for things than we do, it's a fact.

[Marsh.]

White male privileged in everyday life is a myth, yes. I mean there are laws in place that make sure of that.

There are laws we have which make murder wrong, does this mean murder doesn't still happen and actually sometimes goes undetected and unpunished? No.

Laws regulate something, it doesn't make it blink out of existence.

[Oliver_W]

Racism hurts, it makes people feel like they are second class citizens, it makes people feel like they're not good enough. People who experience racism have to work harder for things than we do, it's a fact.

Maybe that's how Swan, or other white kids, feel when they're receiving racist bullying.

[Jessica.]

Maybe that's how Swan, or other white kids, feel when they're receiving racist bullying.

I give up. :rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

Maybe that's how Swan, or other white kids, feel when they're receiving racist bullying.

Did you read his post?

"No big deal" so hardly affected his progression through life.

[Oliver_W]

I give up. :rolleyes:
lol why? the things you described can apply to anyone.

[Marsh.]

lol why? the things you described can apply to anyone.

So that means society values white and non-white minorities equally?

[Oliver_W]

So that means society values white and non-white minorities equally?
Of course it does, what makes you think it doesn't?

[Marsh.]

Of course it does, what makes you think it doesn't?

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Swan]

That's awful, terrible you had to experience that in your childhood.

Would you say this kind of experience means that in general racism is an even field when it comes to all colours of skin/ethnicities or would you accept that in society people with white skin have it much easier when it comes to racism. And by racism I'm not just talking about overt racism (name calling in the street etc).

Again, racism doesn't mean that only one select group of people experience any one thing. It's discussing it at a societal level. White straight males are not a repressed minority. If by me saying that it offends you and makes you think I've said you're immune from hardship then that's a mindset you need to change, no one else, as the fact I stated in no way states that you have had an "easy" life.

Historically i admit with no reservations that black people has faced much, much harsher racism.

However my point is here is everyone needs accept racism and homophobia exists, it always will unfortunately. But the people fighting bigotry need not to isolate those on THEIR side because they happen to be a straight white male. Im not saying you, im not saying all, im saying a fair few of the people fighting for diversity exclude the white straight male, this shouldn't happen, i can assure you millions of straight whit males what their fellow man, woman and child to be accepted no matter race, religion and sexuality.

Some of the videos of seen of the extreme left being openly racist towards white people, whist demonstrating AGAINST racism is astounding. We'll never progress if we can't accept others differences, no matter what they may be.

You're saying im playing the 'im white it's all about me card' well you're absolutely wrong, im not playing a card here. Political correctness is nothing more than a joke now, it isolates people, it separates people, it is bad for progression, bad for a democratic society.

Imo opinion this 'white straight male' ideology adopted by a large section of the left (especially the over hypocritical middle class young voter) cost Labour big time. Good honest people are being told how they have life easy because of race, sexuality, when in reality this just simply isn't true.

We need to be united, we need to be accepting of one another, acceptance is key, and that works both ways.

edit - it's too late in the night to correct all those outstanding typo's, and im operating on a sleeping pill here.

[Oliver_W]

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

So you have no reason to think it doesn't? You can't take these things as read, I've not seen any reason to assume minorities are seen as lesser by society.

What makes you think it doesn't?

[Marsh.]

So you have no reason to think it doesn't? You can't take these things as read, I've not seen any reason to assume minorities are seen as lesser by society.

What makes you think it doesn't?

Because I see the world outside of my own bubble. You obviously think your experiences are universal. You do you, Oliver.

[Swan]

Racism is racism, the colour of ones skin shouldn't mean their racist experience was any lesser than the other victim faced.

[Marsh.]

Historically i admit with no reservations that black people has faced much, much harsher racism.

However my point is here is everyone needs accept racism and homophobia exists, it always will unfortunately. But the people fighting bigotry need not to isolate those on THEIR side because they happen to be a straight white male. Im not saying you, im not saying all, im saying a fair few of the people fighting for diversity exclude the white straight male, this shouldn't happen, i can assure you millions of straight whit males what their fellow man, woman and child to be accepted no matter race, religion and sexuality.

Some of the videos of seen of the extreme left being openly racist towards white people, whist demonstrating AGAINST racism is astounding. We'll never progress if we can't accept others differences, no matter what they may be.

You're saying im playing the 'im white it's all about me card' well you're absolutely wrong, im not playing a card here. Political correctness is nothing more than a joke now, it isolates people, it separates people, it is bad for progression, bad for a democratic society.

Imo opinion this 'white straight male' ideology adopted by a large section of the left (especially the over hypocritical middle class young voter) cost Labour big time. Good honest people are being told how they have life easy because of race, sexuality, when in reality this just simply isn't true.

We need to be united, we need to be accepting of one another, acceptance is key, and that works both ways.

Well, I'm not talking the odd few bad apples. They don't represent everyone, and as you say, there will always be bad apples.

I never said you were playing the "I'm white card" I said you were playing whatabourtery. I brought up racism, homophobia and sexism and you responded as though I said white, straight men had NO issues or problems in their lives, rather than just the issues at hand. There is no reason a discussion about homophobia should include a response like "Just because I'm straight doesn't make my life easy" when any issues you've faced are highly unlikely to have been due to your sexuality. Whereas the homophobia faced by non-straight people is an issue. No need to bring anything else into it.

Your point about homophobia and racism always existing is probably true, humanity hates difference or change so it will always manifest in various forms. However, that means non-white people or non-straight people should just accept it and accept the prejudice? No. Why should they? It's very easy for someone who doesn't experience it to say.

If people accepted the disadvantages society threw at them there are all kinds of developments we would have never made over the years. Not accepting it changes things for the better. Why that progress should be stifled I have no idea.

[Marsh.]

Racism is racism, the colour of ones skin shouldn't mean their racist experience was any lesser than the other victim faced.

On an individual basis, of course not.

On a societal level you would argue that white and black people face racism on an equal scale?

[Jordan.]

So you have no reason to think it doesn't? You can't take these things as read, I've not seen any reason to assume minorities are seen as lesser by society.

What makes you think it doesn't?

That must come with the sheltered middle class privilege package.

[Oliver_W]

Because I see the world outside of my own bubble. You obviously think your experiences are universal. You do you, Oliver.
What have you seen that's outside your bubble that makes you think that way? There are no longer barriers for BAME people, in fact some places have preferential hiring practices in an effort to correct mistakes from the past, I'd say that indicates an accepting society.

[Cal.]

-dances sexily-

[Oliver_W]

That must come with the sheltered middle class privilege package.

What might i have seen if I'd have grown up in different circumstances?

[Jessica.]

-dances sexily-

-pops a £1 coin in your waistband-

[Ant.]

You're just saying "you're wrong" without elaborating, there's no reason to think ethnicity has any bearing on one's life anymore, it's not the 1950s.

https://tinyurl.com/rbpwa3a

[Marsh.]

You're just saying "you're wrong" without elaborating, there's no reason to think ethnicity has any bearing on one's life anymore, it's not the 1950s.

Oliver, you're literally shouting "WE DON'T HOLD BLACK PEOPLE IN CHAINS ANYMORE WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT!!!!"

No, it's not the 1950s, has that eliminated inequality? No it hasn't.

[Cal.]

You're just saying "you're wrong" without elaborating, there's no reason to think ethnicity has any bearing on one's life anymore, it's not the 1950s.

Luv I would DRAG you so hard but I don’t wanna miss out on making my annual ‘Merry Christmas Ladies from your favourite festive cow!’ thread

[Marsh.]

What have you seen that's outside your bubble that makes you think that way? There are no longer barriers for BAME people, in fact some places have preferential hiring practices in an effort to correct mistakes from the past, I'd say that indicates an accepting society.

Again, it's your experiences Oliver, and obviously your experiences are universal. You do you, pal.

[Oliver_W]

Oliver, you're literally shouting "WE DON'T HOLD BLACK PEOPLE IN CHAINS ANYMORE WHAT MORE DO THEY WANT!!!!"

No, it's not the 1950s, has that eliminated inequality? No it hasn't.

What inequality is there? You see people of all ethnicities in every class of society.

[Marsh.]

Luv I would DRAG you so hard but I don’t wanna miss out on making my annual ‘Merry Christmas Ladies from your favourite festive cow!’ thread

*hacks your account to have you banned before you dare*

[MB.]

You're just saying "you're wrong" without elaborating, there's no reason to think ethnicity has any bearing on one's life anymore, it's not the 1950s.

Well this is by far the worst take I've seen on TiBB this decade, good going!

[Marsh.]

What inequality is there? You see people of all ethnicities in every class of society.

Translation: "My black neighbour owns her own house therefore black people are not discriminated in the world at all".

[Oliver_W]

Luv I would DRAG you so hard but I don’t wanna miss out on making my annual ‘Merry Christmas Ladies from your favourite festive cow!’ thread

:joker: bless.

[Ant.]

Read my other posts.

White male privileged in everyday life is a myth, yes. I mean there are laws in place that make sure of that.

idk why but this justification always makes me laugh. stealing is against the law. murder is against the law. both of that **** happens on the daily. is it rly that hard to believe that the laws you're referring to can be broken. like do u hand on heart think there's not a single employer in this day and age that hasn't hired a person based on their gender or the fact their name isn't "white-sounding". like not even just one

[Marsh.]

What might i have seen if I'd have grown up in different circumstances?

You think your life would be the same had you grown up in different circumstances? Seriously, Oliver?

[Oliver_W]

Translation: "My black neighbour owns her own house therefore black people are not discriminated in the world at all".

I never said discrimination doesn't exist, where did you get that from? I said we're all on an equal footing now. We can all be anything we want, we can all be discriminated against.

[Cal.]

:joker: bless.

DURNT bless me ya racist little tart

[Oliver_W]

You think your life would be the same had you grown up in different circumstances? Seriously, Oliver?

I didn't say my life wouldn't be different, i was asking what examples of this apparently widespread discrimination and devaluation of BAME people I've apparently been missing.

[Oliver_W]

DURNT bless me ya racist little tart

:joker: what have i said that's racist? Libel!

[Niamh.]

I miss seeing Niamh sitting at her fireplace, glowing in the light of her burning cigarette, :love:[emoji23] aw I miss those days, the fish tank is gone now though

[Marsh.]

I never said discrimination doesn't exist, where did you get that from? I said we're all on an equal footing now. We can all be anything we want, we can all be discriminated against.

So, your chance of facing racial discrimination is the same as a non-white person?
Your chance of facing sexism is equal to that of women?
Your, assuming you're straight, chance of facing discrimination due to your sexuality is equal to those who aren't straight?

[Marsh.]

[emoji23] aw I miss those days, the fish tank is gone now though

Me when I left the water brown for 2 days and never found the fish again.

[Swan]

Well, I'm not talking the odd few bad apples. They don't represent everyone, and as you say, there will always be bad apples.

I never said you were playing the "I'm white card" I said you were playing whatabourtery. I brought up racism, homophobia and sexism and you responded as though I said white, straight men had NO issues or problems in their lives, rather than just the issues at hand. There is no reason a discussion about homophobia should include a response like "Just because I'm straight doesn't make my life easy" when any issues you've faced are highly unlikely to have been due to your sexuality. Whereas the homophobia faced by non-straight people is an issue. No need to bring anything else into it.

Your point about homophobia and racism always existing is probably true, humanity hates difference or change so it will always manifest in various forms. However, that means non-white people or non-straight people should just accept it and accept the prejudice? No. Why should they? It's very easy for someone who doesn't experience it to say.

If people accepted the disadvantages society threw at them there are all kinds of developments we would have never made over the years. Not accepting it changes things for the better. Why that progress should be stifled I have no idea.

They shouldn't except it, they also shouldn't assume a white straight male doesn't care about their struggles (this is a very dangerous growing trend) because a lot do.

No i think in order to achieve the change you want to see, no matter what they may be, you need to accept that a minority will never see things your way, or accept you for who you are. Those people need to be dismissed, why give them attention? No, we need to unite and fight together, no matter our race, sexuality etc. Again, if i accept you, you need to accept me. We are more divided than ever imo. I wont face homosexual hardships as a straight man, granted, that doesn't mean that straight males aren't sympathetic towards the cause.

On every side of this argument there a professional victims who need to get over themselves. And unfortunately logic seems to have gone out the window.

[Swan]

idk why but this justification always makes me laugh. stealing is against the law. murder is against the law. both of that **** happens on the daily. is it rly that hard to believe that the laws you're referring to can be broken. like do u hand on heart think there's not a single employer in this day and age that hasn't hired a person based on their gender or the fact their name isn't "white-sounding". like not even just one

You mean like Gary, or Paul, or Mike from their Indian call centres. Trust me, diversity in jobs where i live isn't a problem.

[Niamh.]

Me when I left the water brown for 2 days and never found the fish again.I missed all this thread and Gav just went to bed and I have no idea what's going on with the movie I'm watching but I'm on holidays, yay

[Ant.]

swan sweety weren't you the one that said you don't believe in labels like "gay" and "homosexual" and that you only see people?? or am i misremembering

[Cal.]

They shouldn't except it, they also shouldn't assume a white straight male doesn't care about their struggles (this is a very dangerous growing trend) because a lot do.

No i think in order to achieve the change you want to see, no matter what they may be, you need to accept that a minority will never see things your way, or accept you for who you are. Those people need to be dismissed, why give them attention? No, we need to unite and fight together, no matter our race, sexuality etc. Again, if i accept you, you need to accept me. We are more divided than ever imo. I wont face homosexual hardships as a straight man, granted, that doesn't mean that straight males aren't sympathetic towards the cause.

On every side of this argument there a professional victims who need to get over themselves. And unfortunately logic seems to have gone out the window.

I love how you’ve responded to Marsh’s post where he was saying they shouldn’t have to accept it with an opening line which states they shouldn’t have to accept it before going on to explain that they should just get on with it and accept it. :thumbs:

[Cal.]

I missed all this thread and Gav just went to bed and I have no idea what's going on with the movie I'm watching but I'm on holidays, yay

Enjoy these holidays gorgeous!

[Niamh.]

Oh swan **** off , there is no "white man struggles " ffs, are you bored or something?

[Swan]

swan sweety weren't you the one that said you don't believe in labels like "gay" and "homosexual" and that you only see people?? or am i misremembering

Correct i don't shake a mans had and think 'oh you're a gay male', they're just male to me.

[Oliver_W]

So, your chance of facing racial discrimination is the same as a non-white person?
Your chance of facing sexism is equal to that of women?
Your, assuming you're straight, chance of facing discrimination due to your sexuality is equal to those who aren't straight?

Depends, if a non-white is in charge of hiring they might have a bias towards hiring their same race, for example.
And I'm not straight :devil::cheer:

[Marsh.]

They shouldn't except it, they also shouldn't assume a white straight male doesn't care about their struggles (this is a very dangerous growing trend) because a lot do.

They don't. That probably comes up when they're presented with whataboutery, which I explained in a previous post.

No i think in order to achieve the change you want to see, no matter what they may be, you need to accept that a minority will never see things your way, or accept you for who you are. Those people need to be dismissed, why give them attention?

Because it's not just about bullies in a playground or name-calling. It's about those bullies in a playground mis-educating the next generations, growing up to become the leaders and employers in our society. No offence, but that doesn't really need explaining. That's why it needs to be addressed.

No, we need to unite and fight together, no matter our race, sexuality etc. Again, if i accept you, you need to accept me. We are more divided than ever imo. I wont face homosexual hardships as a straight man, granted, that doesn't mean that straight males aren't sympathetic towards the cause.

True. But they're not saying ALL straight men aren't sympathetic but that straight men are the problem because they are. It's not gay people discriminating other gay people, it's the straight people who see straight as the "normal" default position. That's what's being addressed. I feel people need to not feel personally admonished when a societal problem is discussed in those terms.

It's a bit like talking about the ills of the British Empire and taking offence as though you are being admonished for it because you are British.

You are straight and you are not homophobic, great, so you aren't the problem. :thumbs:

[Marsh.]

Depends, if a non-white is in charge of hiring they might have a bias towards hiring their same race, for example.
And I'm not straight :devil::cheer:

You didn't answer the question(s).

[Niamh.]

Enjoy these holidays gorgeous!You're my favourite forum child, I hope you know

[Ant.]

Correct i don't shake a mans had and think 'oh you're a gay male', they're just male to me.

why do you keep saying homosexuals then

[Swan]

I love how you’ve responded to Marsh’s post where he was saying they shouldn’t have to accept it with an opening line which states they shouldn’t have to accept it before going on to explain that they should just get on with it and accept it. :thumbs:

They shouldn't have to no, but in order to go forward they need to leave those people behind.

[Swan]

Oh swan **** off , there is no "white man struggles " ffs, are you bored or something?

What?

[Marsh.]

You mean like Gary, or Paul, or Mike from their Indian call centres. Trust me, diversity in jobs where i live isn't a problem.

You have a problem that there isn't more English people in India?

[Swan]

why do you keep saying homosexuals then

Read the thread back

[Marsh.]

You're my favourite forum child, I hope you know

This is absolutely disgusting. I've reported this and I hope James is online and deals with this level of bias accordingly.

A Mod? A ****ing mod, you ****ing wish!

[Cal.]

You're my favourite forum child, I hope you know

https://media.giphy.com/media/10UZXwY1zvZYxG/giphy.gif

Now get on that bloody wine! It’s Xmas!

[Marsh.]

They shouldn't have to no, but in order to go forward they need to leave those people behind.

Except, those people don't vanish into thin air do they? They still work their way through society and affect things? Just look at the news.

[Cal.]

What?

You heard her!!!

[Ant.]

You mean like Gary, or Paul, or Mike from their Indian call centres. Trust me, diversity in jobs where i live isn't a problem.

you lit didn't answer the question. do you think that there isn't at least one boss that doesn't hire based on prejudice

[Swan]

You have a problem that there isn't more English people in India?

It was a light hearted joke :)

If you have any knowledge of Indian call centres, you'll know that the employers usually give the workers a script, and more english sounding names, which is funny, and ridiculous at the same time.

Apologies for having a sense of humour

[Marsh.]

It was a light hearted joke :)

If you have any knowledge of Indian call centres, you'll know that the employers usually give the workers a script, and more english sounding names, which is funny, and ridiculous at the same time.

Apologies for having a sense of humour

I never chastised you for it, it's hard to understand tone with written words.

But, I would say what you've highlighted is a form of racism as people immediately get their backs up when presented with a foreign accent on the phone so the fact they have to "white" themselves up in order to try and avoid any hassle or abuse is ridiculous, as you say.

[Swan]

You heard her!!!

I asked her :)

you lit didn't answer the question. do you think that there isn't at least one boss that doesn't hire based on prejudice

Yes absolutely. No one race is excluded from this.

[Twosugars]

I didn't say anything about discrimination? I said everyone has the same opportunities in the modern world. Unless you think an employer is going to choose not to hire someone due to their race? Nah.

Oh yes they will, but they will give a different reason.
Your reasoning is beyond naive.
:facepalm:

[Swan]

I never chastised you for it, it's hard to understand tone with written words.

But, I would say what you've highlighted is a form of racism as people immediately get their backs up when presented with a foreign accent on the phone so the fact they have to "white" themselves up in order to try and avoid any hassle or abuse is ridiculous, as you say.

Yes big companies are holding back progression by assuming certain customers what a more 'english' person to speak to. Which is sometimes true i guess.

[Cal.]

I asked her :).

And I told ya luv

https://uploadir.com/u/mkdj2ncx

[Swan]

And I told ya luv

https://uploadir.com/u/mkdj2ncx

That's nice dear :)

[Marsh.]

Yes big companies are holding back progression by assuming certain customers what a more 'english' person to speak to. Which is sometimes true i guess.

A good example of giving in to racism. That's the kind of thing "acceptance" causes.

[Ashley.]

I didn't say my life wouldn't be different, i was asking what examples of this apparently widespread discrimination and devaluation of BAME people I've apparently been missing.

I'm struggling to see what is so hard to miss. Discrimination happens everyday. Mental health problems in BAME groups as a result of discrimination in the UK is increasing - but we're all on equal footing, right?

Comments like this are where terms like 'pale, stale, and male' have spawned from - you cannot possibly suggest that something does not exist when it is not something that you experience or concerns you directly. Because I can bet you that if it did concern you, you'd know considerably more about it. But it doesn't, so you don't.

[Twosugars]

Next oliver will say theres no homophobia bc Graham Norton is so successful

[Swan]

A good example of giving in to racism. That's the kind of thing "acceptance" causes.

Well i wouldn't say that was a huge issue. It's more silly than anything. If you're on a call trying to sort a problem and the person has pretty bad english, it can be annoying. I wouldn't necessarily say it comes down to race. You shouldn't have to accept not being able to understand someone.

But yeah, silly trying to 'english them up'.

[Niamh.]

Next oliver will say theres no homophobia bc Graham Norton is so successfulHe's Irish and all and from Cork, Bloody jesus!

[Niamh.]

What?Yes or no was an answer not what?

[Marsh.]

Well i wouldn't say that was a huge issue. It's more silly than anything. If you're on a call trying to sort a problem and the person has pretty bad english, it can be annoying. I wouldn't necessarily say it comes down to race. You shouldn't have to accept not being able to understand someone.

But yeah, silly trying to 'english them up'.

That's what I was referring to, it's one thing someone being unintelligible and asking someone to speak more clearly, it's another making them call themselves "Paul" rather than their own name.

[Niamh.]

That's what I was referring to, it's one thing someone being unintelligible and asking someone to speak more clearly, it's another making them call themselves "Paul" rather than their own name.Also sorry but how many people have been on holiday in somewhere like Spain or Portugal and they've had to listen to the tourists try to tell them they need to learn the language.

[Marsh.]

Also sorry but how many people have been on holiday in somewhere like Spain or Portugal and they've had to listen to the tourists try to tell them they need to learn the language.

This. :clap1: Good point.

[Swan]

That's what I was referring to, it's one thing someone being unintelligible and asking someone to speak more clearly, it's another making them call themselves "Paul" rather than their own name.

Well the customer isn't asking them to do that, the company is, they should be held responsible. But all things considered, it's not really a big deal just silly. Not sure it needs debating.

[Marsh.]

Well the customer isn't asking them to do that, the company is, they should be held responsible. But all things considered, it's not really a big deal just silly. Not sure it needs debating.

Well, I never disputed it was the company, it's racist nonetheless and the company don't create these changes for sh*ts and giggles but because of racist abuse thrown at anyone with a hint of a foreign name or accent.

I never suggested it was a "big deal". We're discussing the issue which stems from deep-rooted prejudice.

[Swan]

Also sorry but how many people have been on holiday in somewhere like Spain or Portugal and they've had to listen to the tourists try to tell them they need to learn the language.

Agreed, the drunken, ignorant British who go abroad and demand the locals speak english is just embarrassing.

[Marsh.]

Agreed, the drunken, ignorant British who go abroad and demand the locals speak english is just embarrassing.

Yes, and alcohol is not the cause of it. Prejudice and an air of superiority is. Alcohol just makes them more confident in expressing it.

[Swan]

Yes, and alcohol is not the cause of it. Prejudice and an air of superiority is. Alcohol just makes them more confident in expressing it.

In many cases alcohol is the leading factor, not all but some. Alcohol can make a perfectly respectable person act like a complete ****head.

[Marsh.]

In many cases alcohol is the leading factor, not all but some. Alcohol can make a perfectly respectable person act like a complete ****head.

But, the alcohol doesn't create the sh*thead is my point. It simply lowers their inhibitions.

"A drunken man's words are a sober man's thoughts" and all that.

[Swan]

But, the alcohol doesn't create the sh*thead is my point.

"A drunken man's words are a sober man's thoughts" and all that.

Yeah possibly. I think that's true for a lot of people, however some drunks will say outlandish things in order to hurt someone, when not necessarily believing in what they're saying.

If a white women, drunk, were to call a black man the n word, then yes it's obviously there, deep seeded or not.

However some people are just arseholes and drunkeness helps bring out their 'english entitlement'

[Marsh.]

Yeah possibly. I think that's true for a lot of people, however some drunks will say outlandish things in order to hurt someone, when not necessarily believing in what they're saying.

If a white women, drunk, were to call a black man the n word, then yes it's obviously there, deep seeded or not.

However some people are just arseholes and drunkeness helps bring out their 'english entitlement'

And the "English entitlement" is xenophobia and racism, "white privilege" is an apt description too.

[Ammi]

...the problem with labelling, any labelling...is that it detracts from the behaviour of an individual so that people don’t take responsibility for their actions either...’he’s a stale, white, male...’...that told him...well no it didn’t, it has no value at all in describing someone or their behaviour...(...it’s generally used in my understanding...)...to describe specific behaviour or someone’s prejudices, maybe..?...but all it does is detract and distract from any such things in favour of applying a label...unacceptable behaviour itself is what should be addressed, not name calling...(..sexism toward females is often a huge issue on the forum...I am just going to pop that in there also...also racism...)...

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah agree with that, I dont agree with Jessica that white people cant ever have derogatory comments against them because of their ethnicity though, no offence Jess but that's just stupid.

This. Especially on the last point.

Racism can happen to anybody imo, just because it statistically happens less to white people doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

[arista]

This is NOT big brother...


I'm not seeing much love for the pale stale male on this forum, it's not their fault they were born that color..


For a forum set up to celebrate big brother, and big brother that has championed diversity for too many years for me to care to remember. For that forum and it's members to isolate and slander and name call pale stale males...really really really upsets me.


This Forum has loads of Diversity
It's a Massive Forum
section for everyone.
Far better than DigitalSpy forum

[arista]

...the problem with labelling, any labelling...is that it detracts from the behaviour of an individual so that people don’t take responsibility for their actions either...’he’s a stale, white, male...’...that told him...well no it didn’t, it has no value at all in describing someone or their behaviour...(...it’s generally used in my understanding...)...to describe specific behaviour or someone’s prejudices, maybe..?...but all it does is detract and distract from any such things in favour of applying a label...unacceptable behaviour itself is what should be addressed, not name calling...(..sexism toward females is often a huge issue on the forum...I am just going to pop that in there also...also racism...)...


You Women can handle all this

The Best Women were Fighting Live last night
on the Bellator Live in Hawaii SkySportsMixHD
"Lara" Well FIT.

[Ammi]

Shrug.

I'm a straight white male and not that young and I'm feeling the TiBB love :hee:. It's all about attitude, Parmy :nono:

...oh, that’s kind of pretty much what I said...:laugh:...only said so much better and succinctly...the labelling is annoying because it detracts from taking self responsibility for behaviour...

[Marsh.]

Not Toy Ammi.

[Mystic Mock]

Correct i don't shake a mans had and think 'oh you're a gay male', they're just male to me.

I'm the same as you on that front.

However there are some people (I'm not sure on how bigger scale) who when interacting with a gay person will judge them negatively just because they're gay, and if we look at gay males they still find it risky to come out as gay in Music because of the possible negative impact on sales perceived by the singer themselves and their record label. Where as a straight person wouldn't have to worry about that, nor be worried that they will be discriminated against for being straight (if we're being honest here) and I am a straight, white male ironically.:joker:

I wish that more people would see people as equal like you do Swan (and I honestly believe that a lot of people do try to treat everybody as equal) but I am willing to bet that if myself or a black person was fighting to become the leader of UKIP (in a hypothetical scenario) that more of the UKIP MP's/voters would want me to be in charge over the black person, even if the black person had better policies and would be a better leader for the party long term, I would still receive more votes which wouldn't be right.

I'm not great at coming up with hypotheticals, but I hope that you understand the point that I'm trying to make that in some circles people aren't treated equally.

[Ammi]

Not Toy Ammi.

...EXcUSE ME...that might be Ammi Toy, I’m thinking...

[Ammi]

...actually that might sound a bit dodgy....as you were, ignore me...

[Cherie]

-dances sexily-

:laugh:

[Cherie]

You're my favourite forum child, I hope you know

Step away from Cal, I have already adopted him :oh:

[Beso]

Something to read on the train...how wonderful

[Cherie]

Something to read on the train...how wonderful

:laugh: 8 pages bet you weren’t expecting that

[Beso]

Historically i admit with no reservations that black people has faced much, much harsher racism.

However my point is here is everyone needs accept racism and homophobia exists, it always will unfortunately. But the people fighting bigotry need not to isolate those on THEIR side because they happen to be a straight white male. Im not saying you, im not saying all, im saying a fair few of the people fighting for diversity exclude the white straight male, this shouldn't happen, i can assure you millions of straight whit males what their fellow man, woman and child to be accepted no matter race, religion and sexuality.

Some of the videos of seen of the extreme left being openly racist towards white people, whist demonstrating AGAINST racism is astounding. We'll never progress if we can't accept others differences, no matter what they may be.

You're saying im playing the 'im white it's all about me card' well you're absolutely wrong, im not playing a card here. Political correctness is nothing more than a joke now, it isolates people, it separates people, it is bad for progression, bad for a democratic society.

Imo opinion this 'white straight male' ideology adopted by a large section of the left (especially the over hypocritical middle class young voter) cost Labour big time. Good honest people are being told how they have life easy because of race, sexuality, when in reality this just simply isn't true.

We need to be united, we need to be accepting of one another, acceptance is key, and that works both ways.

edit - it's too late in the night to correct all those outstanding typo's, and im operating on a sleeping pill here.



Says it all for me..spot on post Swan.

[Beso]

idk why but this justification always makes me laugh. stealing is against the law. murder is against the law. both of that **** happens on the daily. is it rly that hard to believe that the laws you're referring to can be broken. like do u hand on heart think there's not a single employer in this day and age that hasn't hired a person based on their gender or the fact their name isn't "white-sounding". like not even just one



You are basically saying black people can't be employees...or only white straight males are...now that's discrimination right there...

[Beso]

Oh swan **** off , there is no "white man struggles " ffs, are you bored or something?

That's the biggest load of **** ever...half this forum ****ing struggles in life fgs...that has become very clear lately with all these xmas posts...

[Oliver_W]

I'm struggling to see what is so hard to miss. Discrimination happens everyday. Mental health problems in BAME groups as a result of discrimination in the UK is increasing
You're making things up unless you source it. I can just as easily say "mental health in BAME groups is better than ever"

[thesheriff443]

Niamh for the last time!, stop telling members to fxxx off,

No matter how much you disagree with a poster Niamh you can’t tell members to fxxx off or do you think your above forum rules.

Can admin see this post and realise the hypocrisy going on and blatant double standards

[thesheriff443]

It’s white males that are at the top of suicide rates.

[Marsh.]

That's the biggest load of **** ever...half this forum ****ing struggles in life fgs...that has become very clear lately with all these xmas posts...

Again... the point is your struggles aren't created out of the fact you were born white or a man. Nobody's said you don't have struggles but "white man struggles" just no.

[Marsh.]

It’s white males that are at the top of suicide rates.

Right?

[Marsh.]

You're making things up unless you source it. I can just as easily say "mental health in BAME groups is better than ever"

You've literally not sourced a single one of your own assertions.

[Oliver_W]

You've literally not sourced a single one of your own assertions.

"Everyone is now on equal footing" is the default position to take, it's like needing to source "everyone who's alive has been born"

[Beso]

Again... the point is your struggles aren't created out of the fact you were born white or a man. Nobody's said you don't have struggles but "white man struggles" just no.

My struggles and perhaps others are not being allowed to mend because of the way seemingly pale male stale males get treated on thos forum by the very people shouting the most for diversity. ..That's what this thread is about.

[Marsh.]

My struggles and perhaps others are not being allowed to mend because of the way seemingly pale male stale males get treated on thos forum by the very people shouting the most for diversity. ..That's what this thread is about.

So... your real life non-forum issues/problems etc are not healing because of the phrase pale male stale on this forum?

Ok.

[Marsh.]

"Everyone is now on equal footing" is the default position to take, it's like needing to source "everyone who's alive has been born"

So everyone's equal.... because Oliver said? Even though there's vast inequality staring you in the face in the world?

Do you read your posts back before posting?

[Oliver_W]

So everyone's equal.... because Oliver said? Even though there's vast inequality staring you in the face in the world?


Where is it? Because Marsh said so?

[Marsh.]

Where is it? Because Marsh said so?

Go outside and live in the world. :thumbs:

[Oliver_W]

Go outside and live in the world. :thumbs:

I do. And guess what? People of all ethnicities and both genders face disadvantages. There's just nothing to suggest any particular ones have it worse any more.

[Marsh.]

I do. And guess what? People of all ethnicities and both genders face disadvantages. There's just nothing to suggest any particular ones have it worse any more.

Where did I say everyone doesn't face disadvantages?

We're specifically discussing racial, gender and sexuality based discrimination.

Nothing to suggest? Really?

[Oliver_W]

Nothing to suggest? Really?

What have you personally witnessed along those lines?

[Marsh.]

What have you personally witnessed along those lines?

I see it every day. I work in a shopping district and the amount of verbal and often physical racial abuse the Asian bloke opposite gets on a weekly basis is appalling.

But... you didn't see it, so it doesn't exist.

Just as neither of us see the black lives lost to racial profiling in the States... so it doesn't exist.

[Liam-]

I’ve never experienced a tornado but they definitely happen, we all live in a personal bubble, we go by our own experiences of course we do, but to say everything is alright and equal in the world because we haven’t personally experienced something is purposeful ignorance

[Twosugars]

I think admins and mods on this forum need to work out rules on fake news and fake opinions.
Someone like in this thread can claim black is white and waste everybody's time.
Reality is the only reference point we've got and it is not up for negotiation or we enter a cuckoo's land.

[Ammi]

...we all face struggles, we all face different disadvantages...(..and sometimes advantages..)...those are life things/human things...they’re not things that we face discriminations or prejudices for...

[Beso]

So... your real life non-forum issues/problems etc are not healing because of the phrase pale male stale on this forum?

Ok.

It don't help mate...but because you don't see it it dont happen I guess.

[Beso]

...we all face struggles, we all face different disadvantages...(..and sometimes advantages..)...those are life things/human things...they’re not things that we face discriminations or prejudices for...

Don't we?

I don't believe that.

[Ammi]

...I..r..o..n..y...

[Marsh.]

It don't help mate...but because you don't see it it dont happen I guess.

I never said it doesn't happen.

I asked how seeing the words pale stale male have any bearing on your off forum life?

[Swan]

I think admins and mods on this forum need to work out rules on fake news and fake opinions.
Someone like in this thread can claim black is white and waste everybody's time.
Reality is the only reference point we've got and it is not up for negotiation or we enter a cuckoo's land.

See on the grand scheme of things this is one of the biggest problems we face, if we don't agree with another's opinion it's deemed 'fake' and/or dismissed. It's the 'we're accepting of every one, peace to the world, we are all equal...but if you don't agree with my opinion then you're wrong, a idiot, you don't count' attitude. This seems to be a growing trend particularly in some left wing circles, and it goes against every thing the left should, and did once stand for...Hence why so many life long Labour votes went Conservative this time round.

[Twosugars]

See on the grand scheme of things this is one of the biggest problems we face, if we don't agree with another's opinion it's deemed 'fake' and/or dismissed. It's the 'we're accepting of every one, peace to the world, we are all equal...but if you don't agree with my opinion then you're wrong, a idiot, you don't count' attitude. This seems to be a growing trend particularly in some left wing circles, and it goes against every thing the left should, and did once stand for...Hence why so many life long Labour votes went Conservative this time round.

You misunderstood

I dont want to shut down debates..

But things like racism does not exist bc Oliver says so are beyond ridiculous

[Swan]

You misunderstood

I dont want to shut down debates..

But things like racism does not exist bc Oliver says so are beyond ridiculous

Well every one knows racism exists, even if it doesn't exist for them, if the don't see it first or even second hand, it still exists yes.

[Oliver_W]

I see it every day. I work in a shopping district and the amount of verbal and often physical racial abuse the Asian bloke opposite gets on a weekly basis is appalling.


Irate customers name-call, it happens. I was called a "lanky bastard" and a "spotty twat" back in my retail days :shrug: and if I was ginger, fat, ugly, black, a non-passing trans, or had braces, that's what their insults would have been based on.

[Beso]

I never said it doesn't happen.

I asked how seeing the words pale stale male have any bearing on your off forum life?

You added an ok at the end to highlight that you think o was talking bollocks.

[Beso]

...I..r..o..n..y...

Stop **** stirring it's nasty.

[Marsh.]

You added an ok at the end to highlight that you think o was talking bollocks.

No I said ok because I was taking your word for it that it affects your real life. I have no response to that because I don't know how it does.

[Twosugars]

Well every one knows racism exists, even if it doesn't exist for them, if the don't see it first or even second hand, it still exists yes.

Could pls explain that to Oliver? He didnt get the memo.

[Marsh.]

Irate customers name-call, it happens. I was called a "lanky bastard" and a "spotty twat" back in my retail days :shrug: and if I was ginger, fat, ugly, black, a non-passing trans, or had braces, that's what their insults would have been based on.

It's not irate customers, it's racial abuse.

Trivialise it all you like. Comparing it to being called spotty is one of the most laughable things you've come out with. Quite an achievement.

[Oliver_W]

Could pls explain that to Oliver? He didnt get the memo.

I've never said racism doesn't exist, there'll always be arseholes. I said society has reached the point where everyone is equal, and anyone can be discriminated against.

[Ammi]

Stop **** stirring it's nasty.

...no parmy, what I’ve said in this thread has not been nasty, not nasty at all...please stop trying to project something that you’re feeling onto me...because I reject it completely...

[Marsh.]

I've never said racism doesn't exist, there'll always be arseholes. I said society has reached the point where everyone is equal, and anyone can be discriminated against.

So being called spotty is "equal" to racism?

I've heard quite enough bollocks now. Racism goes beyond name calling.

[Twosugars]

I've never said racism doesn't exist, there'll always be arseholes. I said society has reached the point where everyone is equal, and anyone can be discriminated against.

Only on paper.
But you cant decree a change in people's prejudices just like that. Racism can be overt but it also can be hidden.
You attach magic capabilities to how things are meant to be.
Communism also claimed universal equality. Was it really? No it wasn't.

These days nobody in polite society will admit to racism bc it is illegal. Does it mean it disappeared from peoples thinking and from organisations and companies practice? It doesn't. A different reason will be given to hide it. And you can do **** all about it.

[Oliver_W]

So being called spotty is "equal" to racism?

I've heard quite enough bollocks now.
I'll make an addendum to something I said before - the only types of privilege that still exist are class/wealth, and beauty. I was lacking in beauty privilege at the time, so I was on the rung below the person who called me that. Now that there's no more soceital power given to white people, the N-word has been relegated to a (disgusting) insult.

[Beso]

...no parmy, what I’ve said in this thread has not been nasty, not nasty at all...please stop trying to project something that you’re feeling onto me...because I reject it completely...

Can you explain why you posted the word irony the way you did just randomly in the middle of this thread for then please..cause it's making no sense whatsoever

[Twosugars]

Racism is finished people, nothing to see here :joker:

Ollie could you also declare homophobia and misogyny are over?

[Oliver_W]

Only on paper.
But you cant decree a change in people's prejudices just like that. Racism can be overt but it also can be hidden.
You attach magic capabilities to how things are meant to be.
Communism also claimed universal equality. Was it really? No it wasn't.

These days nobody in polite society will admit to racism bc it is illegal. Does it mean it disappeared from peoples thinking and from organisations and companies practice? It doesn't. A different reason will be given to hide it. And you can do **** all about it.

Like I said, there will always be arseholes.

But societally, everyone is equal, and anyone can face discrimination. If it becomes apparent in an organisations practice, expose it and drag them down! Even if the government doesn't step in, people will vote with their wallet and it will damage the business ... like it did in the only Chick Fil A in England :bawling:

[Jigs]

I think some fans of RTV tend to root less for the pale stale male not because they are punishing straight white men for being what they are not, but because they are choosing to focus their energy on celebrating minorities for what they are. Rooting for non-white ethnic minorities and members of the LGBTQ+ community serves to praise them for what they are and to act in opposition to the INDISPUTABLE FACT that they face a harder trajectory in life than the pale stale male, regardless of overt, spoken racism or not.

Even if you believe you are not racist yourself, you can't deny these problems exist. To selfishly and passive-aggressively complain that a straight white man is not supported as much as a gay black woman is just ignoring the fact that straight white men get a way easier ride in LIFE so I think the least you can do is allow people to root for who they want on a Reality TV show. I said in another thread the other day that I certainly don't think we need every show to have black winners or gay winners in order to be enjoyable shows. However, it would be nice to see once in a while considering it would prove some degree of progression in how minority groups are perceived by the masses.

Processes of othering against ethnic minorities have always been and continue to be detrimental to how they perceive themselves and assimilate comfortably in a very male-driven, white-driven society. Using dichotomous approaches to separate an "us" from a "them" is the exact reason why there is still a need to celebrate and uplift and root for women who are black, for example, because they don't often get a fair shot. Gay men, black men, trans women, etc. are constantly subjected to experience the discrepancy between their authentic selves and the "self" that is demanded of them by the rest of society in order to be normal, to be liked, to be a success.

If people focused more energy into actually understanding their privilege fully they would surely not see an issue with terms such as pale stale male. Personally, as a white man myself I find that term much, MUCH less damaging/offensive than terms such as "aggressive black woman", "black criminal", "ladyboy" or "f*ggot".

[Ammi]

Can you explain why you posted the word irony the way you did just randomly in the middle of this thread for then please..cause it's making no sense whatsoever


...I didn’t ‘randomly’ post anything...in the post above, you had directly quoted my post with the response of..’have we, I don’t believe that..’...you made a thread to discuss something because you say that you were very upset and yet you’re very selective with who you want a discussion with...you feel somehow ‘dismissed’, while you dismiss others who are offering their views...I find that ironic and it wasn’t randomly posted, as you know...I hope you got satisfaction out of saying that I was being nasty...I hope it gives you a real feel good...and I hope it’s the release and contentment that you were obviously hoping for...we’ve nothing more to say to each other, you’ve made that perfectly obvious at every opportunity that you possibly could...

...oh by the by...(..and speaking of ‘nasty’...)...and very off topic...if you could do a Secret Santa for Liam, rather than the nasty ‘high horse’ comment...something in the actual spirit of Secret Santa, which you asked to be a part of...that would be lovely ...and the right thing to do, because he deserves it, I’m sure you’ll agree...

[Marsh.]

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism. :skull:

[Jessica.]

I think some fans of RTV tend to root less for the pale stale male not because they are punishing straight white men for being what they are not, but because they are choosing to focus their energy on celebrating minorities for what they are. Rooting for non-white ethnic minorities and members of the LGBTQ+ community serves to praise them for what they are and to act in opposition to the INDISPUTABLE FACT that they face a harder trajectory in life than the pale stale male, regardless of overt, spoken racism or not.

Even if you believe you are not racist yourself, you can't deny these problems exist. To selfishly and passive-aggressively complain that a straight white man is not supported as much as a gay black woman is just ignoring the fact that straight white men get a way easier ride in LIFE so I think the least you can do is allow people to root for who they want on a Reality TV show. I said in another thread the other day that I certainly don't think we need every show to have black winners or gay winners in order to be enjoyable shows. However, it would be nice to see once in a while considering it would prove some degree of progression in how minority groups are perceived by the masses.

Processes of othering against ethnic minorities have always been and continue to be detrimental to how they perceive themselves and assimilate comfortably in a very male-driven, white-driven society. Using dichotomous approaches to separate an "us" from a "them" is the exact reason why there is still a need to celebrate and uplift and root for women who are black, for example, because they don't often get a fair shot. Gay men, black men, trans women, etc. are constantly subjected to experience the discrepancy between their authentic selves and the "self" that is demanded of them by the rest of society in order to be normal, to be liked, to be a success.

If people focused more energy into actually understanding their privilege fully they would surely not see an issue with terms such as pale stale male. Personally, as a white man myself I find that term much, MUCH less damaging/offensive than terms such as "aggressive black woman", "black criminal", "ladyboy" or "f*ggot".What a fantastically elaborate post. I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said here.

[Marsh.]

Yes Jigs. Very articulate post there. Thank you.

[Oliver_W]

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism. :skull:

Attractive people have easier lives all round - more likely to be hired, a deeper dating pool - while ethnicity doesn't touch either of tbese things.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism. :skull:

Surely an ugly racist is worst of all?

[Jigs]

Attractive people have easier lives all round - more likely to be hired, a deeper dating pool - while ethnicity doesn't touch either of tbese things.

Ethnic minorities are more likely to be falsely imprisoned.
Ethnic minorities are more likely to fall into a cyclical poverty trap.
Ethnic minorities are more likely to be labelled terrorists.

Are ugly people?

[Ammi]

I think some fans of RTV tend to root less for the pale stale male not because they are punishing straight white men for being what they are not, but because they are choosing to focus their energy on celebrating minorities for what they are. Rooting for non-white ethnic minorities and members of the LGBTQ+ community serves to praise them for what they are and to act in opposition to the INDISPUTABLE FACT that they face a harder trajectory in life than the pale stale male, regardless of overt, spoken racism or not.

Even if you believe you are not racist yourself, you can't deny these problems exist. To selfishly and passive-aggressively complain that a straight white man is not supported as much as a gay black woman is just ignoring the fact that straight white men get a way easier ride in LIFE so I think the least you can do is allow people to root for who they want on a Reality TV show. I said in another thread the other day that I certainly don't think we need every show to have black winners or gay winners in order to be enjoyable shows. However, it would be nice to see once in a while considering it would prove some degree of progression in how minority groups are perceived by the masses.

Processes of othering against ethnic minorities have always been and continue to be detrimental to how they perceive themselves and assimilate comfortably in a very male-driven, white-driven society. Using dichotomous approaches to separate an "us" from a "them" is the exact reason why there is still a need to celebrate and uplift and root for women who are black, for example, because they don't often get a fair shot. Gay men, black men, trans women, etc. are constantly subjected to experience the discrepancy between their authentic selves and the "self" that is demanded of them by the rest of society in order to be normal, to be liked, to be a success.

If people focused more energy into actually understanding their privilege fully they would surely not see an issue with terms such as pale stale male. Personally, as a white man myself I find that term much, MUCH less damaging/offensive than terms such as "aggressive black woman", "black criminal", "ladyboy" or "f*ggot".

...wonderful post, Jigs...:lovedup:..

[Beso]

...I didn’t ‘randomly’ post anything...in the post above, you had directly quoted my post with the response of..’have we, I don’t believe that..’...you made a thread to discuss something because you say that you were very upset and yet you’re very selective with who you want a discussion with...you feel somehow ‘dismissed’, while you dismiss others who are offering their views...I find that ironic and it wasn’t randomly posted, as you know...I hope you got satisfaction out of saying that I was being nasty...I hope it gives you a real feel good...and I hope it’s the release and contentment that you were obviously hoping for...we’ve nothing more to say to each other, you’ve made that perfectly obvious at every opportunity that you possibly could...

...oh by the by...(..and speaking of ‘nasty’...)...and very off topic...if you could do a Secret Santa for Liam, rather than the nasty ‘high horse’ comment...something in the actual spirit of Secret Santa, which you asked to be a part of...that would be lovely ...and the right thing to do, because he deserves it, I’m sure you’ll agree...



He can have a sick bag to deal with your ott niceness.

[Ammi]

He can have a sick bag to deal with your ott niceness.

...I guess that takes us full circle back to another irony, then...Liam has done nothing but be a respectful and thoughtful poster in his whole time on TiBB and yet you chose a ‘gift’ to mock him...a very definition of ‘nasty’, I would say...but you obviously have a certain sense of feel good about doing that and of venting your hatefulness to me...

[Ammi]

...oh and by the by, parmy...just one last thing, because it’s Christmas ...so a little ‘gift’ for you, if you like...I’m sure it’ll be deleted, so you’ll have to grab it quickly if you want to keep it...I did not in any way engineer to fix Most Love for the winner to have won, as accused...I was not a part of Most Love in any way whatsoever...(..other than voting as a regular forum member..)....my ‘crime’, as it were...is that I would not be part of anyone’s relentless hatefulness in singling out and bullying a member of this forum....how ‘nasty’ is that...Merry Christmas...

[Kazanne]

See on the grand scheme of things this is one of the biggest problems we face, if we don't agree with another's opinion it's deemed 'fake' and/or dismissed. It's the 'we're accepting of every one, peace to the world, we are all equal...but if you don't agree with my opinion then you're wrong, a idiot, you don't count' attitude. This seems to be a growing trend particularly in some left wing circles, and it goes against every thing the left should, and did once stand for...Hence why so many life long Labour votes went Conservative this time round.

:clap1::clap1: Yes it seems if you go against the grain of the people on the left you are a bit thick , stupid and don't know what your on about , they know best of course that's why the Labour party etc were the biggest losers on the 12th.:hehe::wavey:

[Liam-]

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism. :skull:

Uggo Lives Matter

[LukeB]

So now ugly people is a bigger problem than racism. :skull:

:skull: people are really clutching at straws

[Beso]

...oh and by the by, parmy...just one last thing, because it’s Christmas ...so a little ‘gift’ for you, if you like...I’m sure it’ll be deleted, so you’ll have to grab it quickly if you want to keep it...I did not in any way engineer to fix Most Love for the winner to have won, as accused...I was not a part of Most Love in any way whatsoever...(..other than voting as a regular forum member..)....my ‘crime’, as it were...is that I would not be part of anyone’s relentless hatefulness in singling out and bullying a member of this forum....how ‘nasty’ is that...Merry Christmas...


Not sure why you have posted this at me as I have no idea what you are ranting about...but merry Xmas to you to...now of you pop and tell someone how wonderful they are...again and again and again.

[Swan]

Ethnic minorities are more likely to be falsely imprisoned.
Ethnic minorities are more likely to fall into a cyclical poverty trap.
Ethnic minorities are more likely to be labelled terrorists.

Are ugly people?

1. World wide, yes probably. I've not seen the statistics for the UK.
2. No, not in this day and age. I would say that's about equal, in the UK anyway.
3. Well if we're honest yes, and that's because ethnic minorities are more likely to commit terrorist acts in the UK.

(please bare in mind im addressing the UK :) )

[Jessica.]

1. World wide, yes probably. I've not seen the statistics for the UK.

2. No, not in this day and age. I would say that's about equal, in the UK anyway.

3. Well if we're honest yes, and that's because ethnic minorities are more likely to commit terrorist acts in the UK.



(please bare in mind im addressing the UK :) )Christ, do you not see the ignorance in your own posts? You're one of the problematic people who are holding us back.

[arista]

1208165273179586562

Crazy LGBT folks

[Swan]

Christ, do you not see the ignorance in your own posts? You're one of the problematic people who are holding us back.

What's your argument then Jessica? Because i've read back the thread and you haven't really made any valid points, you just seem to be going against opinions you don't agree with.

edit -

False imprisonment is up for debate in the UK.
Poverty in the UK doesn't care about race nowadays.
Asians and British Asians are statistically more likely to commit terrorist acts in the UK. (this isn't my opinion, it's fact)

[Jigs]

1208165273179586562

Crazy LGBT folks

What I find
crazier is
your style of
typing. It's almost as if
you
don't
have a grasp
on literacy or language,
so therefore,
Do not comment on issues
that are beyond your reach
of understanding.

[Jessica.]

What's your argument then Jessica? Because i've read back the thread and you haven't really made any valid points, you just seem to be going against opinions you don't agree with.I don't agree with them because they are wrong. I am aware of the world around me and it's not the wonderland that so many people are making it out to be. Straight white cis men are the most privileged people in our countries and even though they face some issues of their own it is not because they are straight white cis men or spotty or ugly. Other people without that privilege are hard done by BECAUSE they are black or Asian or gay or trans. It is completely different and nobody should ever say it's not happening. Is it all in the heads of everyone who is aware of it? Why do you think people are disagreeing? For the laugh? This isn't a funny topic, it's serious and real. I'm stating what I know is the truth, it's not an opinion.

[Jessica.]

What I find

crazier is

your style of

typing. It's almost as if

you

don't

have a grasp

on literacy or language,

so therefore,

Do not comment on issues

that are beyond your reach

of understanding.He uses a speech to text program which causes his posts to be formatted like that. It's still annoying though.

[Oliver_W]

I don't agree with them because they are wrong. I am aware of the world around me and it's not the wonderland that so many people are making it out to be. Straight white cis men are the most privileged people in our countries and even though they face some issues of their own it is not because they are straight white cis men or spotty or ugly. Other people without that privilege are hard done by BECAUSE they are black or Asian or gay or trans. It is completely different and nobody should ever say it's not happening. Is it all in the heads of everyone who is aware of it? Why do you think people are disagreeing? For the laugh? This isn't a funny topic, it's serious and real. I'm stating what I know is the truth, it's not an opinion.
So which part of this do you disagree with:
What's your argument then Jessica? Because i've read back the thread and you haven't really made any valid points, you just seem to be going against opinions you don't agree with.

edit -

False imprisonment is up for debate in the UK.
Poverty in the UK doesn't care about race nowadays.
Asians and British Asians are statistically more likely to commit terrorist acts in the UK. (this isn't my opinion, it's fact)

[Swan]

I don't agree with them because they are wrong. I am aware of the world around me and it's not the wonderland that so many people are making it out to be. Straight white cis men are the most privileged people in our countries and even though they face some issues of their own it is not because they are straight white cis men or spotty or ugly. Other people without that privilege are hard done by BECAUSE they are black or Asian or gay or trans. It is completely different and nobody should ever say it's not happening. Is it all in the heads of everyone who is aware of it? Why do you think people are disagreeing? For the laugh? This isn't a funny topic, it's serious and real. I'm stating what I know is the truth, it's not an opinion.

I don't really know what you mean by 'cis' but moving on. Have i said once that some black people don't face struggles because they're black? Same with Asians, same with gay people, with trans people? No!

Your hatred of 'straight white cis men' is very telling (and by the tone of your post it's pretty deep seeded). A straight man, black, white, asian will not face homophobic abuse, i agree. However a white man can be racially abused, as can a black man, as can an asian man.

Do you dismiss black racism against asians , and vice versa? (which is more common than people like to admit). Do you dismiss the good people do, white, black, gay, straight? Your opinion is that a straight white male is privileged in a way that they can't sympathise with those who face abuse because of colour and sexuality which simply isn't true.

Again it goes back to the 'well f u, you're white, straight and male, you're the enemy' argument which is rather draconian, ill informed and a very dangerous mind set to adopt.

[arista]

What I find
crazier is
your style of
typing. It's almost as if
you
don't
have a grasp
on literacy or language,
so therefore,
Do not comment on issues
that are beyond your reach
of understanding.

A Style of Writing is not a problem
it's what you say that matters.

[arista]

1208305421380923393

Happy Baby

[bots]

so nice to see the spirit of christmas in action

[Jigs]

A Style of Writing is not a problem
it's what you say that matters.

Yet all you had to say was "Crazy LGBT folk". How very empathetic and progressive of you.