Are celebs treated equally by the media/public

[Josy]

Something I was thinking about after a discussion in another thread.

Do you think celebs/famous people are all treated the same by the media and the public?

Just as an example the way Caroline Flack or Roxanne palette were shown in the media and the publics response compared to say Ant Mcpartlin

[Livia]

My view is that Ant was treated with a little more compassion; there was more talk about his mental health and his alcoholism, there seemed to be more empathy for him. Whereas the immediate knee-jerk reaction after Caroline's arrest was more focused on hoping she wouldn't be let off a domestic violence charge just because she's a woman. As far as I remember, most of the venom towards Ant online was from his ex-wife.

I might have that wrong, but it;s my take on it.

[Josy]

My view is that Ant was treated with a little more compassion; there was more talk about his mental health and his alcoholism, there seemed to be more empathy for him. Whereas the immediate knee-jerk reaction after Caroline's arrest was more focused on hoping she wouldn't be let off a domestic violence charge just because she's a woman. As far as I remember, most of the venom towards Ant online was from his ex-wife.



I might have that wrong, but it;s my take on it.

I also cant remember seeing much bad said online at what Ant had done because I remember at the time it just didnt sit right with me, he had broken the law and endangered others, not that I'm saying anyone deserves 'hate'.

I dont think all famous people are treated equally.

[GoldHeart]

As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly :bored: .

But it also depends what their scandal is and who the person is , Caroline was under scrutiny for the domestic abuse thing, Roxanne literally tried to ruin someone's life on TV :facepalm:.

Ant embarrassed himself and put others in danger on the road,but he got help and is doing well and he's popular .

I find it disgusting how Alexandra Burke got treated on strictly yet she did nothing wrong, Cliff Richard & MJ were cleared yet people still call them horrible things .

MJ's death changed nothing and he still gets his reputation tarnished .

[Ammi]

Something I was thinking about after a discussion in another thread.

Do you think celebs/famous people are all treated the same by the media and the public?

Just as an example the way Caroline Flack or Roxanne palette were shown in the media and the publics response compared to say Ant Mcpartlin

.....hmmmmm, I would say that’s a difficult one...I think that it depends on the relationship that a specific media source has with a specific celebrity....and some celebrities are not held in very high regard at all by the media, so that I would say is an influencer on the story slants...

[Livia]

I also cant remember seeing much bad said online at what Ant had done because I remember at the time it just didnt sit right with me, he had broken the law and endangered others, not that I'm saying anyone deserves 'hate'.

I dont think all famous people are treated equally.

Do you think it's a male/female thing?

[Livia]

As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly :bored: .

But it also depends what their scandal is and who the person is , Caroline was under scrutiny for the domestic abuse thing, Roxanne literally tried to ruin someone's life on TV :facepalm:.

Ant embarrassed himself and put others in danger on the road,but he got help and is doing well and he's popular .

I find it disgusting how Alexandra Burke got treated on strictly yet she did nothing wrong, Cliff Richard & MJ were cleared yet people still call them horrible things .

MJ's death changed nothing and he still gets his reputation tarnished .

I can't remember how Alexandra Burke was treated...? I thought she was an amazing dancer... and I don't read Twitter or Facebook.

[Josy]

Do you think it's a male/female thing?That's what was in my mind when I was discussing it earlier, I'm not sure and would like to hope not but it does come across that way at times.

[Livia]

That's what was in my mind when I was discussing it earlier, I'm not sure and would like to hope not but it does come across that way at times.

It feels like, the more equality women get, the more it is resented and they have to pay in other ways.

Not a celebrity I know... but I have to say I'm delighted at the responses on here to the female Para who's just passed P Company. Nice to have a really positive story like that. Wish the rest of the Internet looked at it the same.

[Twosugars]

As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly :bored: .
.

Did you see The Scum front pages she got? Looks like it means nothing to you :conf:

The same sort of treatment for MJ would have you going mad...


Sorry mate, but you're not being even handed here.

[Ammi]

....females in general are often held up to a higher standard in society than males are...Meghan/Harry is a huge example of that...

[Niamh.]

That's what was in my mind when I was discussing it earlier, I'm not sure and would like to hope not but it does come across that way at times.

I'm not sure it always is, I think it depends on the circumstances and how much that person was liked beforehand. I think if a celebrity is very much liked beforehand then it will take a male celebrity doing a lot more bad things before public opinion turns on them than it would for a female celebrity though.

[GoldHeart]

I'm not naming names ,but the grief Alexandra got for previous "dance experience" was ridiculous . She was never a professional dancer she just starred in musical theatre .

Joe who won that year apparently had more of a dance background, yet he got a pass as he was universally liked alot :bored: . Like I said usually double standards BS .

Alexandra also had her personal life and career choices brought into debates and her personality & behaviour. She always got unfairly attacked, Dan wooton was also printing alot of garbage about her .

[Twosugars]

It feels like, the more equality women get, the more it is resented and they have to pay in other ways.

Not a celebrity I know... but I have to say I'm delighted at the responses on here to the female Para who's just passed P Company. Nice to have a really positive story like that. Wish the rest of the Internet looked at it the same.

It's a culture war. Look at the incel movement, tradwives.
The internet gave voice to those opposing progress and equality for women.
Same goes for minorities.
They will not win. But the mischief they create causes issues.

That's not the whole problem of course but a part of it.

[GoldHeart]

Did you see The Scum front pages she got? Looks like it means nothing to you :conf:

The same sort of treatment for MJ would have you going mad...


Sorry mate, but you're not being even handed here.

When did I disagree exactly??? :facepalm: , I already know the nasty things papers print about celebrities. When did I say it was ok? .

And when that mj mockumentary was done last year you forgotten the hate he got?, that's why I'm saying even in death some people still get their name dragged through mud and I find it disgusting.

[Twosugars]

When did I disagree exactly??? :facepalm: , I already know the nasty things papers print about celebrities. When did I say it was ok? .

And when that mj mockumentary was done last year you forgotten the hate he got?, that's why I'm saying even in death some people still get their name dragged through mud and I find it disgusting.

Well that's how the first para of your post sounded to me. Have another look.
Apologies if you didn't mean it.

[Ammi]

I'm not sure it always is, I think it depends on the circumstances and how much that person was liked beforehand. I think if a celebrity is very much liked beforehand then it will take a male celebrity doing a lot more bad things before public opinion turns on them than it would for a female celebrity though.

...yeah, pretty much my thoughts...with Ant for instance...?...he had such a support from the media and public of being a ‘national treasure’ type beforehand, so that very much allowed him ‘recovery’ as well, it left more scope for it..?..whereas with many celebrities, they’re not held in very high regard from either the public or the media...reality TV celebrities are a good example of that...

[Niamh.]

When did I disagree exactly??? :facepalm: , I already know the nasty things papers print about celebrities. When did I say it was ok? .

And when that mj mockumentary was done last year you forgotten the hate he got?, that's why I'm saying even in death some people still get their name dragged through mud and I find it disgusting.

tbf Goldheart acting like MJ got unfair and unrealistic backlash is nonsense. Even if you don't believe that he abused young boys, you can't deny he had really weird and inappropriate relationships with them. He's not really a great example of unwarranted attention imo

[Jessica.]

No, they all get treated like crap in different ways and they are harsher on women.

[Twosugars]

Well that's how the first para of your post sounded to me. Have another look.
Apologies if you didn't mean it.

I had another look and I misunderstood what you said :blush2:

Apologies :flowers:

[GoldHeart]

Well that's how the first para of your post sounded to me. Have another look.
Apologies if you didn't mean it.

People's reputations get destroyed , accusations get thrown around and they stick.

2S the point I'm making is a few of us hear a story and we make judgements, we hear Caroline was arrested and the whole domestic violence thing and we form an opinion. Even the people who thought she was violent were still saying "if" as we didn't know the full ins and outs.

I already said after she died that we were not hearing the full story ,and we'll probably never really know what was happening. All we know is her mental health was suffering. But the police being involved , obviously shows things were out of hand.

I've always hated newspapers like the sun , people are confused why her boyfriend and people like Schofield sell stories to papers like that.

[Twosugars]

People's reputations get destroyed , accusations get thrown around and they stick.

2S the point I'm making is a few of us hear a story and we make judgements, we hear Caroline was arrested and the whole domestic violence thing and we form an opinion. Even the people who thought she was violent were still saying "if" as we didn't know the full ins and outs.

I already said after she died that we were not hearing the full story ,and we'll probably never really know what was happening. All we know is her mental health was suffering. But the police being involved , obviously shows things were out of hand.

I've always hated newspapers like the sun , people are confused why her boyfriend and people like Schofield sell stories to papers like that.

My bad. I get it now what you meant. Completely agree.

[bots]

i think it very much depends on who the celeb knows and how much power/money/ influence they have. The same as applies in all other aspects of life

For me, the most obvious recent example is prince Andrew ... there are a few minor mutterings, but it would take an earthquake for something to happen to him

Conversely, Meghan and Harry don't have anything like the same power and influence ... need i say more?

Donald Trump gets a few minor mutterings, but his behaviour has been despicable for decades ... not just during his time as president

Minor celebs that haven't built up their power/influence will always be the first to fall

[Livia]

Not sure I agree that Prince Andrew has greater power to stop something happening to him than Harry. He;s stepped down from loads of stuff, and until he clears his name I'm afraid he's going to have to continue to step down.

[GoldHeart]

tbf Goldheart acting like MJ got unfair and unrealistic backlash is nonsense. Even if you don't believe that he abused young boys, you can't deny he had really weird and inappropriate relationships with them. He's not really a great example of unwarranted attention imo

The media attacked MJ for his voice, body, face , skin & sexuality.

For the millionth time it wasn't just boys he spent time with , that was a dumb narrative pushed to accuse him of being "creepy paedophile with a boy fetishi" which again is offensive . They tried to out him from the closest, even though he clearly liked women.

What I find Bizarre and stupid is how they say nothing about the girls he hung around with, so I guess if people think you're a paedophile it doesn't matter if you spend time with any little girls as apparently you only molest little boys :crazy: .

Surely if they genuinely thought he was dangerous they wouldn't let ANY kids around him .

That's like saying men were safe around jack the ripper just because he had a thing for killing women :bored: . Their logic is flawed.

MJ went about things the wrong way ,but I truly believe he was naive and as he didn't have a proper childhood he was trying to relive that. If he was this "evil monster" people paint Jim as then they'd try and bring him to justice instead of trying to extort money from him.

Macaulay culkin spent a hell of alot of time with him and so did other children and they say nothing happened. They all have happy memories plus his Neverland home was filled with cameras and staff .

He was investigated for 10 years and all clear .

[Niamh.]

The media attacked MJ for his voice, body, face , skin & sexuality.

For the millionth time it wasn't just boys he spent time with , that was a dumb narrative pushed to accuse him of being "creepy paedophile with a boy fetishi" which again is offensive . They tried to out him from the closest, even though he clearly liked women.

What I find Bizarre and stupid is how they say nothing about the girls he hanged around with, so I guess if people think you're a paedophile it doesn't matter if you spend time with any little girls as apparently you only molest little boys :crazy: .

Surely if they genuinely thought he was dangerous they wouldn't let ANY kids around him .

That's like saying men were safe around jack the ripper just because he had a thing for killing women :bored: . Their logic is flawed.

MJ went about things the wrong way ,but I truly believe he was naive and as he didn't have a proper childhood he was trying to relive that. If he was this "evil monster" people paint Jim as then they'd try and bring him to justice instead of trying to extort money from him.

Macaulay cullin spent a hell of alot of time with him and do did other children and they say nothing happened. They all have happy memories plus his Neverland home was filled with cameras and staff .

He was investigated for 10 years and all clear .

That's like saying of a rapist, well he never raped his neighbour Mary so therefore he couldn't have raped anyone. That's not a good argument

[Beso]

As far as the public is concerned it's just about always women slagging famous women off for no other reason than jealousy.

[arista]

Something I was thinking about after a discussion in another thread.

Do you think celebs/famous people are all treated the same by the media and the public?

Just as an example the way Caroline Flack or Roxanne palette were shown in the media and the publics response compared to say Ant Mcpartlin

He was Drunk Driving
No One Died.

Nothing like that sad star of ITV who Hanged herself

[GoldHeart]

That's like saying of a rapist, well he never raped his neighbour Mary so therefore he couldn't have raped anyone. That's not a good argument

Not really as if you thought someone was dangerous you wouldn't let anyone near him . He had the biggest target on his back and made silly mistakes by letting children into his home to stay.

They don't care about the little girls that stayed with him or spent time with him, yet they paint him as this "serial paedophile" who can't control himself :crazy: .

Why did all the accusers want money? :whistle: , they cared more about that than anything else.

[Kazanne]

As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly :bored: .

But it also depends what their scandal is and who the person is , Caroline was under scrutiny for the domestic abuse thing, Roxanne literally tried to ruin someone's life on TV :facepalm:.

Ant embarrassed himself and put others in danger on the road,but he got help and is doing well and he's popular .

I find it disgusting how Alexandra Burke got treated on strictly yet she did nothing wrong, Cliff Richard & MJ were cleared yet people still call them horrible things .

MJ's death changed nothing and he still gets his reputation tarnished .

MJ in particular was treated awfully by the press even before any allegations ,so much so he wrote a song about it (Leave me Alone) poor guy could not breathe for so many vile stories.

[Alf]

Without the media, these celebrities wouldn't be celebrities. They sell their souls for Yankee Dollar, they know what it's all about.

[Niamh.]

As far as the public is concerned it's just about always women slagging famous women off for no other reason than jealousy.

So no men "slagged" Caroline Flack off, it was all just women? Don't be ridiculous. More sexism to add to the mix though.

[Niamh.]

Not really as if you thought someone was dangerous you wouldn't let anyone near him . He had the biggest target on his back and made silly mistakes by letting children into his home to stay.

They don't care about the little girls that stayed with him or spent time with him, yet they paint him as this "serial paedophile" who can't control himself :crazy: .

Why did all the accusers want money? :whistle: , they cared more about that than anything else.

Well we've already had this debate over and over at the time of documentary. I disagree with your points of view on it but I don't want to turn this whole topic into another MJ thread and get off the topic completely

[GoldHeart]

MJ in particular was treated awfully by the press even before any allegations ,so much so he wrote a song about it (Leave me Alone) poor guy could not breathe for so many vile stories.

Exactly it was horrible, even when he died they still kept talking about his face and his death body .

And then last year those idiots go and make a mockumentary propaganda movie accusing him , they just won't leave him alone even in death :bored: .

[Jordan.]

There seems to be more money to be made in tearing down women. They also get nitpicked at more especially when it comes to appearance.

[Marsh.]

Definitely not.

But it also depends on whether the reporters choose to slant a story from a more compassionate or a more disparaging angle.

[GoldHeart]

Well we've already had this debate over and over at the time of documentary. I disagree with your points of view on it but I don't want to turn this whole topic into another MJ thread and get off the topic completely

Okay fine but if you think someone is a serial child molester you wouldn't let ANY kids around him. No matter what his fetish is.

There was footage of MJ holding a little girl , and a reporter deliberately LIED and said he was bouncing a little boy on his knee instead :crazy: . And she tried to twist it into something innapropriate.

[Marsh.]

My view is that Ant was treated with a little more compassion; there was more talk about his mental health and his alcoholism, there seemed to be more empathy for him. Whereas the immediate knee-jerk reaction after Caroline's arrest was more focused on hoping she wouldn't be let off a domestic violence charge just because she's a woman. As far as I remember, most of the venom towards Ant online was from his ex-wife.

I might have that wrong, but it;s my take on it.

Just from daily mail when I've scanned Ant stories in the past the comments are full of hate for his (now ex) mrs rather than him. Despite, apart from the facts of Ant's addiction and drink driving conviction we don't actually know anything about the circumstances of their relationship really. But she got immediate hate for "not supporting him". People can be crazy. :joker:

[Beso]

So no men "slagged" Caroline Flack off, it was all just women? Don't be ridiculous. More sexism to add to the mix though.

Perhaps they did after she allegedly assaulted her partner..but in general it does come across on social.media that it's mainly women slagging of famous women
..


Im positive the stats would prove this to be true as well.

[Ammi]

There seems to be more money to be made in tearing down women. They also get nitpicked at more especially when it comes to appearance.

...or their choice of partners or their wight gain or their weight loss or their new hairstyle...etc...:laugh:..

[Marsh.]

Perhaps they did after she allegedly assaulted her partner..but in general it does come across on social.media that it's mainly women slagging of famous women
..


Im positive the stats would prove this to be true as well.

Mostly blokes commenting originally that "if that were a man they'd be locked up" when it came to Caroline. Not sure what that has to do with jealous women.

[arista]

So no men "slagged" Caroline Flack off, it was all just women? Don't be ridiculous. More sexism to add to the mix though.


Flack used the Media
to get her Story's in the Press.

She was fair Game
until she broke UK Law
by trying to kill her fella.

[Twosugars]

Without the media, these celebrities wouldn't be celebrities. They sell their souls for Yankee Dollar, they know what it's all about.

You mean they agree to be destroyed by media who feed on them?

How much money is enough for having your life destroyed? Enlighten us.

:facepalm:

[Twosugars]

Flack used the Media
to get her Story's in the Press.

She was fair Game
until she broke UK Law
by trying to kill her fella.

Show us that inside info or stop making ridiculous allegations.

Fair game. That worked out well

[Ammi]

...Jade Goody, along with Jo and Danielle were some celebrities who got excessive negative media attention...

[arista]

Show us that inside info or stop making ridiculous allegations.

Fair game. That worked out well



Of Course she was
after it went wrong

Public Media
is not going to change

[arista]

...Jade Goody, along with Jo and Danielle were some celebrities who got excessive negative media attention...


Yes she but she went Vile Racist
on Ch4 Live.

But before that her Manager
was pulling in Cash
by using her in Public Shops or other events

[GoldHeart]

...Jade Goody, along with Jo and Danielle were some celebrities who got excessive negative media attention...

Think you'll find Jade BEARED THE BRUNT of that. Danielle had zero remorse and had a stupid grin on her face , despite her saying worse remarks .She continued to make TV appearances like nothing happened .

Jo squeezed out a few tears and felt bad . But Jade got all the hate , then when she was diagnosed with terminal cancer people felt sympathy for her.

[Niamh.]

Okay fine but if you think someone is a serial child molester you wouldn't let ANY kids around him. No matter what his fetish is.

There was footage of MJ holding a little girl , and a reporter deliberately LIED and said he was bouncing a little boy on his knee instead :crazy: . And she tried to twist it into something innapropriate.

Who wouldn't though, the parents? Most parents wouldn't for sure, but not all parents are good or smart parents either

[Alf]

You mean they agree to be destroyed by media who feed on them?

How much money is enough for having your life destroyed? Enlighten us.

:facepalm:You'd have to ask them, how much money they can be bought for.

They couldn't buy me, to be a celebrity, for all the money in the World

[Ammi]

Think you'll find Jade BEARED THE BRUNT of that. Danielle had zero remorse and had a stupid grin on her face , despite her saying worse remarks .She continued to make TV appearances like nothing happened .

Jo squeezed out a few tears and felt bad . But Jade got all the hate , then when she was diagnosed with terminal cancer people felt sympathy for her.

....hmmmm, my recollection is slightly different, GoldHeart...from what I recall..?..Jo became virtually a recluse when she came out of the house ...I honestly don’t recall with Danielle, other than a daytime interview ...I can’t recall which show, but she was extremely upset if I recall correctly...

[Niamh.]

Perhaps they did after she allegedly assaulted her partner..but in general it does come across on social.media that it's mainly women slagging of famous women
..


Im positive the stats would prove this to be true as well.

I don't know about that. I would be interested to see stats on it if they are available though. I can only go on youtube and FB comments I read (I don't use Twitter) and men seem pretty bad on there, worse than women I would say but that's just anecdotal

[Beso]

You mean they agree to be destroyed by media who feed on them?

How much money is enough for having your life destroyed? Enlighten us.

:facepalm:

Her actions destryoed her life, and unfortunatly her families as well.

[arista]

I don't know about that. I would be interested to see stats on it if they are available though. I can only go on youtube and FB comments I read (I don't use Twitter) and men seem pretty bad on there, worse than women I would say but that's just anecdotal


Yes should its more Professional.

[GoldHeart]

....hmmmm, my recollection is slightly different, GoldHeart...from what I recall..?..Jo became virtually a recluse when she came out of the house ...I honestly don’t recall with Danielle, other than a daytime interview ...I can’t recall which show, but she was extremely upset if I recall correctly...

Jo DID become a recluse and was in tears , but Danielle got the least heat .

Jade got all the hate , media even got her to admit to stuff she never even said but she was just breaking down with remorse . Terrible :facepalm: .

[Niamh.]

Yes should its more Professional.

I had an account but I hated it so left

[Ammi]

Jo DID become a recluse and was in tears , but Danielle got the least heat .

Jade got all the hate , media even got her to admit to stuff she never even said but she was just breaking down with remorse . Terrible :facepalm: .

...although the ladies all got varying amounts of negativity and some more than others..?...they all still had most of the negative media and public attention ...the one who didn’t was the only male involved, Jack...

[arista]

I had an account but I hated it so left


They have improved
and you select who you follow
faster.
It is far better now.
I find out Exclusive Deals
and sometimes News before its on TV News.

That's why I made a thread saying
could we have Tweet Icon
to click, to put the numbers in.

[Niamh.]

...although the ladies all got varying amounts of negativity and some more than others..?...they all still had most of the negative media and public attention ...the one who didn’t was the only male involved, Jack...

Being devils advocate though you could say he wasn't really "famous" and didn't have anything to lose like the three women did?

[Josy]

He was Drunk Driving
No One Died.

Nothing like that sad star of ITV who Hanged herselfWtf Arista?

He was drunk driving but no one died so that's ok?

Thanks for proving my point.

[Ammi]

Being devils advocate though you could say he wasn't really "famous" and didn't have anything to lose like the three women did?

...yeah, I hadn’t really quite thought of it like that...he was ‘Jade’s boyfriend’ so wasn’t highlighted in the same way...and I think in that vein, Jade maybe had the worst because the media felt she was ‘media made’ in her celebrity, giving them a feeling of ‘ownership’ more...a similar type of ownership that is sometimes stemmed to be with the Royal family...

[arista]

Wtf Arista?

He was drunk driving but no one died so that's ok?

Thanks for proving my point.



Thats all that matters
He is back on TV now.



Flack gave up on her life.

[Niamh.]

...yeah, I hadn’t really quite thought of it like that...he was ‘Jade’s boyfriend’ so wasn’t highlighted in the same way...and I think in that vein, Jade maybe had the worst because the media felt she was ‘media made’ in her celebrity, giving them a feeling of ‘ownership’ more...a similar type of ownership that is sometimes stemmed to be with the Royal family...

Yeah plus she was the most "relevant" of the three women as well at that particular time so had the farthest to fall I guess

[GoldHeart]

Yeah plus she was the most "relevant" of the three women as well at that particular time so had the farthest to fall I guess

She was the loudest aswell that's why she got all the heat .Jack was like a mute , he usually muttered stuff quietly.

[Twosugars]

You'd have to ask them, how much money they can be bought for.

They couldn't buy me, to be a celebrity, for all the money in the World

They don't sign up to be destroyed.

You blithely excuse out of control press who ruins people by vicious and false reporting.