We need to introduce fines

[Cherie]

Given the news about all the parties that have had to be broken up by Police in the past 4 days alone, it's time for fines

Listened to guy who rang in from Germany yesterday (Irish we get everywhere :hee:) they hand out on the spot fines if you are breaking the guidance, if you can't pay there and then it will come out of your salary/benefit, or if under 18 parents will have to pay

Once again the UK is far too soft, this weekend is going to be carnage, with hot weather predicted until Sunday

[bots]

if there is a large break in the lockdown, it basically resets the clock on everything, so it will be like day 1 of lockdown again. It's unfathomable that people don't understand this. The lives that will be lost ......

[user104658]

Given the news about all the parties that have had to be broken up by Police in the past 4 days alone, it's time for fines



Listened to guy who rang in from Germany yesterday (Irish we get everywhere :hee:) they hand out on the spot fines if you are breaking the guidance, if you can't pay there and then it will come out of your salary/benefit, or if under 18 parents will have to pay



Once again the UK is far too soft, this weekend is going to be carnage, with hot weather predicted until Sunday

Its not just about being soft though; that's German efficiency. We don't have quick or interlinked systems, it would be an administrative nightmare (probably an impossibility) to implement salary seizing on that scale. And that's even if admin departments and company payrolls were operating at full capacity which obviously they're not, and can't be without ruini g lockdown :think:.

So at best you're saying "You'll be harshly fined... At some point...!" and the people who are reckless enough to be doing this in the first place, are not thinking that far ahead.

[Kate!]

Can't bear the thought of going back to square one re lockdown.

I agree its time for fines. Stop pussyfooting about.

[Cherie]

Its not just about being soft though; that's German efficiency. We don't have quick or interlinked systems, it would be an administrative nightmare (probably an impossibility) to implement salary seizing on that scale. And that's even if admin departments and company payrolls were operating at full capacity which obviously they're not, and can't be without ruini g lockdown :think:.

So at best you're saying "You'll be harshly fined... At some point...!" and the people who are reckless enough to be doing this in the first place, are not thinking that far ahead.

There is already system in place for fines, maybe just utilise the parking ticket system :shrug: Spain and France are also fining so its not just Germany efficiency as Spain is the most ineffective country in the EU with regard to admin, there is also a system in place for fining dog owners for fouling the pavement, I think something can be tweaked, it might only take a few fines for the muppets to finally take notice, hit them in their pocket

[Denver]

Make they major fines as well not sill £30 fines like 5k on the spot fines

[user104658]

There is already system in place for fines, maybe just utilise the parking ticket system :shrug:Do you know what usually happens if you ignore a parking ticket?

Nothing.

Months, years, of empty threatening letters. Eventually threats of court action. That usually doesn't happen either. Usually the letters just stop.

A small percentage of people get taken to small claims court "to make an example" but most people never actually have to pay a penny... They rely on compliance, and people believing that there will be consequences for not paying.

[Cherie]

Do you know what usually happens if you ignore a parking ticket?

Nothing.

Months, years, of empty threatening letters. Eventually threats of court action. That usually doesn't happen either. Usually the letters just stop.

A small percentage of people get taken to small claims court "to make an example" but most people never actually have to pay a penny... They rely on compliance, and people believing that there will be consequences for not paying.


It only takes a few fines to send a message, its needed at this stage

[user104658]

Make they major fines as well not sill £30 fines like 5k on the spot finesThere's no point in an on the spot fine of more than a few hundred pounds because most people don't have access to the money... And then you're into the situation above. For most of the people throwing bouncy castle parties in their garden, if you ask for £5k up front you might as well be asking for a million.

[Cherie]

There's no point in an on the spot fine of more than a few hundred pounds because most people don't have access to the money... And then you're into the situation above. For most of the people throwing bouncy castle parties in their garden, if you ask for £5k up front you might as well be asking for a million.

Take their NI number and pass on to HMRC/DWP..... okay they might never take the fine, but how many people are going to risk that?

[Cherie]

Its strange because its working in Spain, France and Germany, but it can't work in the UK because TS says so :laugh:

[user104658]

Its strange because its working in Spain, France and Germany, but it can't work in the UK because TS says so [emoji23]How can you possibly know that lockdown working better across Europe is down to the introduction of fines?

[Cherie]

How can you possibly know that lockdown working better across Europe is down to the introduction of fines?

Because I have friends who live in Spain, trust me no one messes with the Guardia Civil

[user104658]

how many people are going to risk that?

Most normal people wouldn't, but I'd think the small number of people who are most likely to risk that are probably the same people who would risk throwing a garden party during a pandemic...

[user104658]

Because I have friends who live in Spain, trust me no one messes with the Guardia CivilLet's not advocate for the "benefits" of police brutality Cherie.

[Cherie]

Most normal people wouldn't, but I'd think the small number of people who are most likely to risk that are probably the same people who would risk throwing a garden party during a pandemic...

a small number ….660 in Manchester alone in the last few days

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

[Cherie]

Let's not advocate for the "benefits" of police brutality Cherie.

well you asked? and I gave you and answer, I didn't advocate the benefits, stop twisting

[arista]

A Police Chief
up North
confirmed he will fine people over this holiday
weekend


He went on ITVnewsHD
and SkyNewsHD

[Cherie]

A Police Chief
up North
confirmed he will fine people over this holiday
weekend


He went on ITVnewsHD
and SkyNewsHD

Good

[user104658]

a small number ….660 in Manchester alone in the last few days



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688There are 3,000,000 people in the greater Manchester area.

[Cherie]

There are 3,000,000 people in the greater Manchester area.

660 parties is still quite a lot in 4 days!

[user104658]

660 parties is still quite a lot in 4 days!Depends how many there are on an average sunny long-weekend :shrug:. I can't say I know what that number is, to be fair. Probably significantly more than 660 though.

[Livia]

What do you think should happen, TS, to people who flagrantly break the rules and put other people's lives at risk?

[Cherie]

What do you think should happen, TS, to people who flagrantly break the rules and put other people's lives at risk?

tickle them with a feather duster?

[hijaxers]

A Police Chief
up North
confirmed he will fine people over this holiday
weekend


He went on ITVnewsHD
and SkyNewsHD

Bout bloody time ~ hammer em hard ~ the rest of us complying are sick of these selfish Twats.

[Livia]

tickle them with a feather duster?

You brute...

[bots]

the problem is that people have no fear of the police in the UK, which is a good thing in 99.999% of circumstances, but not really at the present time. Anyone that has dealt with the police in China or Russia as examples knows the difference, you are crapping yourself. In Moscow now they are using cams with facial recognition. You get a visit and if you didn't have a valid reason for being out, you are locked up for 7 years. That focuses the mind

[Kate!]

Bout bloody time ~ hammer em hard ~ the rest of us complying are sick of these selfish Twats.

[2]

Its bloody infuriating.

[Kizzy]

Hmm I read an article that said situations like this can see the public more open to the idea of a police state....

https://www.thearticle.com/lord-sumption-fears-that-the-pandemic-could-turn-britain-into-a-police-state-is-he-right

[bots]

Hmm I read an article that said situations like this can see the public more open to the idea of a police state....

yes, we are very vulnerable to it, and the police want more power at the moment ... i'm not comfortable with that.

We are in an authoritarian police state now, it happened over night and it could be a long time before things return to normal. I think it's Hungary, although i could be wrong, where parliament voted to give the PM unlimited power, with no time limit .... that isn't democracy

[arista]

Hmm I read an article that said situations like this can see the public more open to the idea of a police state....

https://www.thearticle.com/lord-sumption-fears-that-the-pandemic-could-turn-britain-into-a-police-state-is-he-right

There's not enough Police.

We out number them,

[user104658]

the problem is that people have no fear of the police in the UK, which is a good thing in 99.999% of circumstances, but not really at the present time. Anyone that has dealt with the police in China or Russia as examples knows the difference, you are crapping yourself. In Moscow now they are using cams with facial recognition. You get a visit and if you didn't have a valid reason for being out, you are locked up for 7 years. That focuses the mindI'd rather die of Covid and have my kids grow up without a dad than have them live in that world. And that's not even an exaggeration.

[user104658]

What do you think should happen, TS, to people who flagrantly break the rules and put other people's lives at risk?I'm not saying don't fine them, I'm saying that I don't think the threat of fines will deter them.

[Beso]

Truncheons would be better.

[user104658]

Truncheons would be better.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

If we sanction the authorities to start using violence as a means of control, they will never stop, and after Covid we'll all wake up to a world that none of us wants to live in.

[hijaxers]

Truncheons would be better.

They are on Antiques Road show these days :laugh:

[arista]

Truncheons would be better.


Bit Rough for the Middle Class

[AnnieK]

a small number ….660 in Manchester alone in the last few days

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

We know how to throw a good paaaarrrty up here then scatttter

[user104658]

We know how to throw a good paaaarrrty up here then scatttterDon't worry Annie, I've put the bouncy castle in a storage unit under a fake name, they'll never find it.

[bots]

the thing is, if those out partying are staying within their own isolation groups (as everyone else is locked down) then the only real people they are putting at risk is themselves.

[Zizu]

Given the news about all the parties that have had to be broken up by Police in the past 4 days alone, it's time for fines



Listened to guy who rang in from Germany yesterday (Irish we get everywhere :hee:) they hand out on the spot fines if you are breaking the guidance, if you can't pay there and then it will come out of your salary/benefit, or if under 18 parents will have to pay



Once again the UK is far too soft, this weekend is going to be carnage, with hot weather predicted until Sunday

He also said that the German culture was for people to be more respectful and law abiding that the British ... fair point

Agreed . I’d let the cops use tasers as often as they want for these selfish bar stewards


We live in a lovely quiet cul de sac and every family is abiding by the rules completely APART from the three oldest guys in their late 70’s to mid 80’s . They have carried on with their normal lives .. each one makes at least 3 trips out each day in their cars ..


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[Zizu]

if there is a large break in the lockdown, it basically resets the clock on everything, so it will be like day 1 of lockdown again. It's unfathomable that people don't understand this. The lives that will be lost ......



Manchester police has to deal with over a thousand breaches of the new laws last weekend .. they say things have been getting gradually worse by the day .

This weekend’s nice weather will be too much for these idiots and I fully expect that harsher conditions will be enforced next Tuesday .


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[Livia]

I'm not saying don't fine them, I'm saying that I don't think the threat of fines will deter them.

Punishment beatings it is then...

[Zizu]

We know how to throw a good paaaarrrty up here then scatttter



There was a Manc lady phoning into LBC this morning to defend Manchester folk ...

She finished by saying that they didn’t think they were breaking the law she said they were simply ‘finding ways around the rules’ !!!




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[Zizu]

Punishment beatings it is then...



Why don’t they simply take their photos and name and shame them all the news and media ??




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[arista]

PM is now back in a Normal Ward

[hijaxers]

He also said that the German culture was for people to be more respectful and law abiding that the British ... fair point

Agreed . I’d let the cops use tasers as often as they want for these selfish bar stewards


We live in a lovely quiet cul de sac and every family is abiding by the rules completely APART from the three oldest guys in their late 70’s to mid 80’s . They have carried on with their normal lives .. each one makes at least 3 trips out each day in their cars ..


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Report them or do the tyres !

[Amy Jade]

I agree heavy fines too. Sick of seeing morons out and about because they think they can do as they please

[Cherie]

500 fines given by Scottish police :omgno: not TS unwittingly living in the only police state in the UK

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/scots-continue-flout-lockdown-rules-police-issue-more-500-fines-2535869

[arista]

500 fines given by Scottish police :omgno: not TS unwittingly living in the only police state in the UK


Yes to many Up There
are Pissed

[arista]

Woman Cop
Bitten on her arm
in Manchester.

LBC news Headline

That should Give her Covid.

[Cherie]

17 fixed penalty notices have been handed out in the Midlands :suspect: they have kept all this very quiet

[Beso]

Woman Cop
Bitten on her arm
in Manchester.

LBC news Headline

That should Give her Covid.




Are the Scots coming down in thier droves????

[user104658]

500 fines given by Scottish police :omgno: not TS unwittingly living in the only police state in the UK



https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/scots-continue-flout-lockdown-rules-police-issue-more-500-fines-2535869:idc: I didn't say anything about fines being a police state I said fines wouldn't deter anyone.

I called your idea that we should allow Jackbooted armoured police to threaten, intimidate and beat people into submission a police state. When you were saying that the police should take notes from the Guardia. Rememberrrr?

[Cherie]

How can you possibly know that lockdown working better across Europe is down to the introduction of fines?

Because I have friends who live in Spain, trust me no one messes with the Guardia Civil

:idc: I didn't say anything about fines being a police state I said fines wouldn't deter anyone.

I called your idea that we should allow Jackbooted armoured police to threaten, intimidate and beat people into submission a police state. When you were saying that the police should take notes from the Guardia. Rememberrrr?

No that is how you interpreted my post, thats not my issue, the Guardia Civil carry guns thats deterrent enough for most

[user104658]

No that is how you interpreted my post, thats not my issue, the Guardia Civil carry guns thats deterrent enough for mostAs I have extended family from Catalonia, I'm well aware of how the Spanish police operate thanks. I'll not be advocating copy and pasting their tactics to the UK :idc:

[arista]

No that is how you interpreted my post, thats not my issue, the Guardia Civil carry guns thats deterrent enough for most


Yes Pistol Whip them

[Beso]

As I have extended family from Catalonia, I'm well aware of how the Spanish police operate thanks. I'll not be advocating copy and pasting their tactics to the UK :idc:


Tossa del.Mar...very understated for its beauty.

[Zizu]

So all these idiots flaunting the rules - the media are taking photos and videos and zooming in so why not start showing their faces on the evening news programs..

Shame them into behaving or let their neighbours ‘influence’ them


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[Swan]

When to call the Police? The neighbours are having a BBQ, but it's hard to tell who lives there and who doesn't as so many come and go?! Tried to tell them, but there's a language barrier (Polish and Romanian), they just seem to laugh it off and carry on. At least 10 people, and quite a few kids.

[arista]

When to call the Police? The neighbours are having a BBQ, but it's hard to tell who lives there and who doesn't as so many come and go?! Tried to tell them, but there's a language barrier (Polish and Romanian), they just seem to laugh it off and carry on. At least 10 people, and quite a few kids.


No in someones own home garden
Thats fine

On a beach
thats now illegal

[michael21]

Given the news about all the parties that have had to be broken up by Police in the past 4 days alone, it's time for fines

Listened to guy who rang in from Germany yesterday (Irish we get everywhere :hee:) they hand out on the spot fines if you are breaking the guidance, if you can't pay there and then it will come out of your salary/benefit, or if under 18 parents will have to pay

Once again the UK is far too soft, this weekend is going to be carnage, with hot weather predicted until Sunday


£500. Fine min

[michael21]

Woman Cop
Bitten on her arm
in Manchester.

LBC news Headline

That should Give her Covid.


Not fact :nono:

[Swan]

No in someones own home garden
Thats fine

On a beach
thats now illegal

But they has at least 6 visitors, including kids.

[GoldHeart]

I know police have to get tough, but I keep thinking what more can they do? .

Idiots will always be idiots :crazy: , I just worry innocent dog walkers and essential shoppers will get pestered :bored: .

Is it going to get to the stage where we'll need a special pass to nip to the shop or something?.

[Livia]

:idc: I didn't say anything about fines being a police state I said fines wouldn't deter anyone.

I called your idea that we should allow Jackbooted armoured police to threaten, intimidate and beat people into submission a police state. When you were saying that the police should take notes from the Guardia. Rememberrrr?

What a reactionary, hysterical interpretation..

[Livia]

I know police have to get tough, but I keep thinking what more can they do? .

Idiots will always be idiots :crazy: , I just worry innocent dog walkers and essential shoppers will get pestered :bored: .

Is it going to get to the stage where we'll need a special pass to nip to the shop or something?.

Sadly, they can't do much because people are weeping into their hands and saying we're heading for a police state because some idiots want to party. Remember the thread about the women who stockpiled food even though she had to throw the majority away? There were responses saying don't victimise her, she was worried for her family!

The police are treated with contempt in much of this country because of the woolly, touch-feely irritants who worry more about the rule breakers than they do about the NHS.

[Livia]

As I have extended family from Catalonia, I'm well aware of how the Spanish police operate thanks. I'll not be advocating copy and pasting their tactics to the UK :idc:

I have people in Spain too. I will not be left out of this.

[arista]

But they has at least 6 visitors, including kids.

Okay
big gaps for all

[user104658]

Sadly, they can't do much because people are weeping into their hands and saying we're heading for a police state because some idiots want to party. Remember the thread about the women who stockpiled food even though she had to throw the majority away? There were responses saying don't victimise her, she was worried for her family!



The police are treated with contempt in much of this country because of the woolly, touch-feely irritants who worry more about the rule breakers than they do about the NHS.So we all talk about and value freedom and democracy and the right to not feel persecuted by authoritarian forces within our country... UNTIL something scary happens and then we yelp like a puppy and sign it all away? What a sham. Not exactly what our grandparents fought for, is it?

[Cherie]

Okay
big gaps for all

No Arista they should not have visitors full stop

[arista]

No Arista they should not have visitors full stop


Stick them on the Pavement

Temp Fold up chairs

[Kizzy]

Sadly, they can't do much because people are weeping into their hands and saying we're heading for a police state because some idiots want to party. Remember the thread about the women who stockpiled food even though she had to throw the majority away? There were responses saying don't victimise her, she was worried for her family!

The police are treated with contempt in much of this country because of the woolly, touch-feely irritants who worry more about the rule breakers than they do about the NHS.
Yes that was me, if you have a response to comment in that thread let's hear it otherwise stop sniping.

Your comment that the police are treated with contempt in much of the country and those same people don't care for the NHS either is what you would call a reactionary, hysterical interpretation.

[GoldHeart]

No Arista they should not have visitors full stop

Some people seem to think it's still ok to invite friends and families round :facepalm: .

[Cherie]

Stick them on the Pavement

Temp Fold up chairs

No Arista, no visits :nono:

[Cherie]

Some people seem to think it's still ok to invite friends and families round :facepalm: .

Yes the twats

[GoldHeart]

Yes the twats

I honestly have very little hope when we're dealing with idiots like that :bored: .

I know majority are following the rules though.