Homophobia rampant on Tibb

[Psylocke]

Well whats the deal?

Whats been you experience on here? Do you believe that maybe the problem is age? or ignorance? or somthing more sinister?

I find it quite disturbing,so usually i just sit back and read,but im surprised it isnt as policed as racism.

Maybe its just acceptable in the media and half these kids think its ok
as it was said on BBBM and various other media outlets,Chris moyles can make homophobic comments on his radio show and nothing is said about it,yet Emily who makes a racially unacceptable word (yet not in a hatefull contest) and gets punished harshly (in T.V standards)

But i must give kudos to alot of the mods (specially red moon) who seem quick of the mark to check it om here,but im surprised it even happens

[lily.]

I'm appalled at the intolerance of some of the members as well psy. It's quite tragic to be honest. :bored:

[~Kizwiz~]

I am also shocked at the amount of homophobic posts on the board.

There is no need for it and I find it offensive and ignorant

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
I'm appalled at the intolerance of some of the members as well psy. It's quite tragic to be honest. :bored:

homophobia and Racism are practically the same thing,which is why its so hard to get my head around why they are treated differently.Its intolerence against somone who is different.


I do believe talking to my older friends tho,thats years ago it was much worse,and society (yet VERY slowly) are coming around.

[lily.]

So they keep telling me psy.. but if society is in fact coming around, then why are so many people still homophobic?

PS. Gave you karma for addressing this issue. :thumbs:

[Gap]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Stropz
I'm appalled at the intolerance of some of the members as well psy. It's quite tragic to be honest. :bored:

homophobia and Racism are practically the same thing,which is why its so hard to get my head around why they are treated differently.Its intolerence against somone who is different.


I do believe talking to my older friends tho,thats years ago it was much worse,and society (yet VERY slowly) are coming around.
And yet (sorry to go of topic) C4 will deal with racism, but use Chris Moyles on BBBM:rolleyes:

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
So they keep telling me psy.. but if society is in fact coming around, then why are so many people still homophobic?

PS. Gave you karma for addressing this issue. :thumbs:

the homophobia seems to seen as bad now by joe average next door,the people that are homophobic are seen as bad people in society.Im a complete optimist tho and i try and see the good before the bad.

the media are just a bit slow,as is some older people who are breeding it into there children

I know that gay bashes are fewer than they were in the 90's,sure they still happen but to a lesser extent,hopefully thats a point in the right direction.
Thanks for the + aswell :thumbs: but it seems some coward is frightened to say anything took one away again lol

and Gap,yep that made me feel ill

[lily.]

Someone took one off you cuz you're back down at 4. Someone homophobic perhaps? :rolleyes:

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
Someone took one off you cuz you're back down at 4. Someone homophobic perhaps? :rolleyes:

yeah,just another coward,but hopefully thats the worst that they will do with there hate,take some karma off somone on the internet who they have never met.

[lily.]

Yup. I'm sure you wont lose any sleep over it anyway mate. :thumbs:

[Georgiee-Boyy!]

I think Emily should never have been kicked out, you can clearly see she did not mean what she said in a harmful way, and the stuff about Chris Moyles i totally agree.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
Yup. I'm sure you wont lose any sleep over it anyway mate. :thumbs:

haha not at all.

Im too excited about Dublin Pride the weekend :laugh:

[lily.]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Stropz
Yup. I'm sure you wont lose any sleep over it anyway mate. :thumbs:

haha not at all.

Im too excited about Dublin Pride the weekend :laugh:

Am I invited...? I never get to go out anywhere at the weekend! LoL

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Well whats the deal?

Whats been you experience on here? Do you believe that maybe the problem is age? or ignorance? or somthing more sinister?

I find it quite disturbing,so usually i just sit back and read,but Im surprised it isnt as policed as racism.

Maybe its just acceptable in the media and half these kids think its ok
as it was said on BBBM and various other media outlets,Chris moyles can make homophobic comments on his radio show and nothing is said about it,yet Emily who makes a racially unacceptable word (yet not in a hatefull contest) and gets punished harshly (in T.V standards)

But i must give kudos to alot of the mods (specially red moon) who seem quick of the mark to check it om here,but Im surprised it even happens

That's a good point Psylocke:thumbs:

There is a lot of homophobia about and if somebody mentioned it to Chris Moyles, that he had said a comment which was homophobic, he may be surprised that he has actually done something wrong?

I guess that Racism will always be looked upon as much more serious than homophobia ever will be.

We live in a country where unfairness exists and we all want things to work out just right, but sadly, it isn't so

On a forum like this, there is no guide available to any new or existing member, on how to describe a Gay person and how to debate about it safely within a thread, which concerns a housemate in BB who is Gay, "let's say?"

Recently we have seen these threads get locked, because some members have said a word or comments which some find to be homophobic or a description of a Gay person, which unfortunately offends one or two other members.

Before you know it, there is a debate about what to say & what not to say & suddenly, (Thread Locked)

So what will please a member or members who do get offended??

It's simple really

There should be a guide on the forum, of what to say & how to NOT offend.

Also, it should be a joint desicion between all mods & admins alike, as everyone has there own opinion & if one mod tells a member one thing and another mod has a different idea, it get's very confusing indeed.

I would say it is acceptable to say:-

"A Gay housemate" or "2 Gay housemates", that is legal & acceptable and cannot really offend.

If you see these Newspaper articles, they are very careful what they print and they know the law and have special advisors on how to say things without offending.

But we are not really talking about Newspapers, we are talking about the TIBB forum and how to have a debate within a thread, without this homophobic problem escalating further.

Don't blame forum members, many are not so aware of how to debate safely on the subject of a Gay housemate and that will always happen

Many times, the word which offends is within a thread title itself. That needs to be addressed, but if it is not offensive and members debating within that thread use the word or words within that thread title, then you can't really blame them, can you?

And if so many threads get locked, as a result of this, it is a crazy situation, which really shouldn't happen.

Gerry & Seany are in BB8 & both are Gay housemates, so it is inevitable it is going to come up in conversation, isn't it:thumbs:

I am sure TIBB can sort this small problem out:thumbs: Confidence is everything, you know:wink:






nodisharmony :angel:

[lily.]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Don't blame forum members, many are not so aware of how to debate safely on the subject of a Gay housemate and that will always happen

Many times, the word which offends is within a thread title itself. That needs to be addressed, but if it is not offensive and members debating within that thread use the word or words within that thread title, then you can't really blame them, can you?


I disagree. I think we can blame forum members because each and every one of us is responsible for what we post on here. I take full responsibility for all my actions on TiBB and the consequences of those actions.

It seems we live in a world where we look for someone else to blame for our own shortcomings. :bored:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stropz


I disagree. I think we can blame forum members because each and every one of us is responsible for what we post on here. I take full responsibility for all my actions on TiBB and the consequences of those actions.

It seems we live in a world where we can look for someone else to blame for our own shortcomings.

But guidance is important, as many who debate in these threads about "Gerry" & "Seany" and the word (Gay) will crop up and a descussion may follow.

If a member or members find something offensive, isn't it better to educate someone and guide them in the right direction.

If there was a sort of guide on TIBB, any member who may get offended by a word or comment, that could help with matters? It's only an idea.

If you personally think it is better to hand out 24, 48 or 7 day bans, (like your handing out sweets), then I don't agree.

Many members may feel they are being victimized and won't really understand or what went wrong.

I am sure that TIBB welcomes new members and if a mistake like (A wrongly worded post) which wasn't homophobic, but it did contain badly described wordings on how to describe a Gay housemate.

I am not looking for a failure, just an answer for innocent members who wish to feel that there is help about:thumbs: Nice help:thumbs:




nodisharmony :angel:

[Taijitu]

I recently had an argument with a "gay woman" (her words) on another forum as I felt she was being a little prejudiced against straight males due to past experiences. It went from "crawl back under your rock" to the two of us wishing eachother a great summer and all the best.

I think sometimes it is possible, especially when only comunicating in writing, to really miss read what others say. That being said it is a pity that some people really seem to have a hatred for people and groups they have no idea about.

I like to live with the moto though, "If you hate anything its probably yourself.", so in all honestly I really just feel sorry for such people.

Well, mods must really be doing a good job as Ive not seen anything I felt offended by, but then very little offends me tbh.

Ack, and more relevant to your post, I completely agree that it should be treated just as badly as racism and seen as just as uneceptable. I hope it hasnt ruined your or anyone elses time on the forums.

[Gap]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Stropz


I disagree. I think we can blame forum members because each and every one of us is responsible for what we post on here. I take full responsibility for all my actions on TiBB and the consequences of those actions.

It seems we live in a world where we can look for someone else to blame for our own shortcomings.

But guidance is important, as many who debate in these threads about "Gerry" & "Seany" and the word (Gay) will crop up and a descussion may follow.

If a member or members find something offensive, isn't it better to educate someone and guide them in the right direction.

If there was a sort of guide on TIBB, any member who may get offended by a word or comment, that could help with matters? It's only an idea.

If you personally think it is better to hand out 24, 48 or 7 day bans, (like your handing out sweets), then I don't agree.

Many members may feel they are being victimized and won't really understand or what went wrong.

I am sure that TIBB welcomes new members and if a mistake like (A wrongly worded post) which wasn't homophobic, but it did contain badly described wordings on how to describe a Gay housemate.

I am not looking for a failure, just an answer for innocent members who wish to feel that there is help about:thumbs: Nice help:thumbs:




nodisharmony :angel:
The problem is, people on here don't care. If you point it out to them, they don't listen and I think TIBB needs to take a stand on it:rolleyes:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Gap

The problem is, people on here don't care. If you point it out to them, they don't listen and I think TIBB needs to take a stand on it:rolleyes:

They are not all like that Gap

Many will listen if it explained to them, but I agree with you, that if someone wishes to be homophopic and make a point or go out of their way to be like that, then TIBB will make a stand.

I have seen it.





nodisharmony :angel:

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Gap

The problem is, people on here don't care. If you point it out to them, they don't listen and I think TIBB needs to take a stand on it:rolleyes:

They are not all like that Gap

Many will listen if it explained to them, but I agree with you, that if someone wishes to be homophopic and make a point or go out of their way to be like that, then TIBB will make a stand.

I have seen it.

Totally agree. Making such people feel resentment is probably the last thing you want to do. Hopefully most can come to understand other peoples side and develope some empathy.

[spitfire]

Does homophobia mean that someone is scared of gays in the same way that arachnophobia means someone is scared of spiders?If thats the case i dont think ive seen an homophobic post.

[lily.]

Homophobia is intolerance towards gay people.

[Psylocke]

Nodish,I feel that somthing like words being misused is just ignorance or unintelligence.

It is 100% ok in my oppinion to call a gay man "gay" and a gay woman a "Lesbian" its words like "F*g" or "pansy"I have a problem with


But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Psylocke

But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Why is that very offensive I dont get it? I can kinda understand a gay person being slightly peeved off if someone reacted like that in the street after a quick snog, but how/why would that offend the average joe?

[Gap]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Nodish,I feel that somthing like words being misused is just ignorance or unintelligence.

It is 100% ok in my oppinion to call a gay man "gay" and a gay woman a "Lesbian" its words like "F*g" or "pansy"I have a problem with


But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.
It's put me off commenting in the BB8 section alltogether, it seems to be full of young people (no disrespect intended) posting pointless threads with no real mature discussion going on and more to the point, using offensive terms like that.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Psylocke

But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Why is that very offensive I dont get it? I can kinda understand a gay person being slightly peeved off if someone reacted like that in the street after a quick snog, but how/why would that offend the average joe?

Because it is offensive to another human being,Its like saying YOU make me sick.
Ziggy and Chanelle get a completely different reaction.

Gay men and women are average joes,its just they fancy different sexes

[Gap]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Psylocke

But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Why is that very offensive I dont get it? I can kinda understand a gay person being slightly peeved off if someone reacted like that in the street after a quick snog, but how/why would that offend the average joe?

Because it is offensive to another human being,Its like saying YOU make me sick.
Ziggy and Chanelle get a completely different reaction.

Gay men and women are average joes,its just they fancy different sexes
That's fair enough but maybe they just find the thought of Seany and Gerry kissing ''disscusting'' just as they would say Nicky and Liam kissing and not the fact that it's two men :)

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Gap
Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Psylocke

But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Why is that very offensive I dont get it? I can kinda understand a gay person being slightly peeved off if someone reacted like that in the street after a quick snog, but how/why would that offend the average joe?

Because it is offensive to another human being,Its like saying YOU make me sick.
Ziggy and Chanelle get a completely different reaction.

Gay men and women are average joes,its just they fancy different sexes
That's fair enough but maybe they just find the thought of Seany and Gerry kissing ''disscusting'' just as they would say Nicky and Liam kissing and not the fact that it's two men :)

It definatly wasnt in that context,tho,it was clear that what was disgusting was it was two men.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Psylocke

But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Why is that very offensive I dont get it? I can kinda understand a gay person being slightly peeved off if someone reacted like that in the street after a quick snog, but how/why would that offend the average joe?

Because it is offensive to another human being,Its like saying YOU make me sick.
Ziggy and Chanelle get a completely different reaction.

Gay men and women are average joes,its just they fancy different sexes

When I said the average joe I meant hetrosexuals. I'd like to think of myself as a human being and I dont find those phrases offensive in the slightest, slightly disrespectful yes but offensive? no.

Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Nodish,I feel that somthing like words being misused is just ignorance or unintelligence.

It is 100% ok in my oppinion to call a gay man "gay" and a gay woman a "Lesbian" its words like "F*g" or "pansy"I have a problem with


But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Well Psylocke, I am a straight guy, but I am a member of Gerry's fanclub on here & personally have no problem with Gay people whatsoever.

I know quite a few & that never bothers me.

I agree that words like "F*g & "p*nsy" are unacceptable and I would never use them words, but sadly that will happen, even on here from time-to-time. That is when it should be dealt with, but perhaps a firm word in a U2U from a moderator and after that is done, if they do it again, then a warning should be issued.

I watched Gerry & Seany kissing and once again, I have no problem with that. But do you know something Psylocke, some people will actually phone up and complain about that.

I remember once, when there was a storyline in Eastenders, where two men were kissing & they received loads of complaints.

Well, what I say, is, "Tough for them".

Gay people exist & it is part of our society and if people cannot accept that, then it is "them" that have the problem.

Not Gay people.....






nodisharmony :angel:

[Gap]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Gap
Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Psylocke

But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Why is that very offensive I dont get it? I can kinda understand a gay person being slightly peeved off if someone reacted like that in the street after a quick snog, but how/why would that offend the average joe?

Because it is offensive to another human being,Its like saying YOU make me sick.
Ziggy and Chanelle get a completely different reaction.

Gay men and women are average joes,its just they fancy different sexes
That's fair enough but maybe they just find the thought of Seany and Gerry kissing ''disscusting'' just as they would say Nicky and Liam kissing and not the fact that it's two men :)

It definatly wasnt in that context,tho,it was clear that what was disgusting was it was two men.

Could you make a link to the post in matter?

[Kristen]

I honestly have read some of these 'homophobic' posts and saw nothing offensive.
The most 'offensive' one was 'I knew those gays would cause trouble'.
I hardly think this is offensive compared to the homophobia that exists in this world.
I have gay friends and have no problem with homosexuality. It's peoples choices but IMO nothing has offended me.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Psylocke

But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Why is that very offensive I dont get it? I can kinda understand a gay person being slightly peeved off if someone reacted like that in the street after a quick snog, but how/why would that offend the average joe?

Because it is offensive to another human being,Its like saying YOU make me sick.
Ziggy and Chanelle get a completely different reaction.

Gay men and women are average joes,its just they fancy different sexes

Although directly it isnt really my business I dont dont like to see people being attacked for no reason at all.

I am going to sticking my neck out here a bit though when I say Im not sure what I think of seeing two men kissing.

There is no reason at all why two men shouldnt show their feelings in public just the same as anyone else but because I personally dont see other men as being remotely sexual my reaction is a bit like "Ewww, that isnt for me" just as it can be with other sexual things I dont personally 100% relate with.

Ofcourse there is no reason why anyone needs to watch something if they feel uncomfortable (when Laura saw Ziggy and Channelle kissing she walked away, though she did say "disgusting" which seems equally offensive really) and in the end of the day its an issue with the person looking not the two kissing.

I hope I havnt offended you in any way I just wanted to point out that maybe someone saying "yuck" is saying it because it isnt for them rather then because they hate gay people. I do agree though it does come over as being offensive.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Gap

That's fair enough but maybe they just find the thought of Seany and Gerry kissing ''disscusting'' just as they would say Nicky and Liam kissing and not the fact that it's two men :)


Well in that case I think members should explain themselves better when posting to avoid any such complications on sensitive matters. I read that "Ewww" post as being homophobic.

[lily.]

And the "homophobic post of the week" award goes to..............

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people.

[Mrluvaluva]

I did not see that and I am shocked. So if gay people kiss then it's not natural? If people are not accustomed to it, as many gay people have had to remain in private due to homophobia, then it is foreign and unatural? Actually, I am not shocked, but disgusted. Some members need to think about things more and open their minds.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Stropz
And the "homophobic post of the week" award goes to..............

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people.

Sorry again I dont feel this means xXEtchieXx hates homosexuals but rather perhaps used a word that can be taken as offensive. Sadly people do sometimes react negatively to things they arnt used to and are "foreign" and for people who do not know many or any gay people this may be a problem.

As for natural, what makes it good or bad? Technically one could argue any sex other then that to reproduce is unnatural. Personally I think its all as natural as living in houses and driving cars, we are natural creatures who have evolved and should except and be happy for other people who are happy as long as they are not hurting anyone.:angel:

[Captain.Remy]

I think it's a big problem now on TIBB. After the racists last january with the Jade-Shilpa conflict, even on tibb, now we have the anti-homosexuals because 2 gay housemates kissed each other. We didn't see that 1 year ago on tibb, I'm not against the new members but since 2 months it's the big mess really.
Some people think it's shocking to see 2 gays kissing, was it shocking to see Becki licking Michelle's boobs, for them ? or when Sam and Makosi kissed each other in the love loft ? Apparently not, we had no scandals about it because those people liked it. But now because it's 2 boys it's the end of the world !
I'm sad to see this on TIBB, I came here because we were open-minded and because we could share our opinions without arguments. You can't say anything because you are sure somebody will argue with you !

As a straight boy, I can't see it shocking, I know some gay people and we accepted that, there was no problem, they kiss each other in front of us and I don't see it in a shocking way.

For people who think, Chanelle and Ziggy is natural, why Seany and Gerry are different ? Maybe because they don't fancy each other ? It's really stupid, some people need to be more mature and open their mind.

[Mrluvaluva]

Well said Remy. Put your karma on so I can give you some.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Stropz
And the "homophobic post of the week" award goes to..............

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people.

How is that a homophobic post? It's fact. I have no problem with gay people at all, i'm one of those people that says "each to their own". I mean it's not something I particularly wanna see one my TV screen when i'm eating my dinner or when im out about, but that doesn't mean i'm gonna rush to my phone and call Ofcom and complain or shout abuse at the next gay couple I see a kissing, which IS considered homophobic. Homosexuality has long been a part of our society and IMO they're are doing nothing wrong, it's the 21st century live and let live.

So how about you rub your two brain cells together for a little bit longer next time before posting childish, mindless crap like that!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Stropz
And the "homophobic post of the week" award goes to..............

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people.

How is that a homophobic post? It's fact. I have no problem with gay people at all, i'm one of those people that says "each to their own". I mean it's not something I particularly want to see one my TV screen when i'm eating my dinner or when Im out about, but that doesn't mean i'm going to rush to my phone and call Ofcom and complain or shout abuse at the next gay couple I see a kissing, which IS considered homophobic. Homosexuality has long been a part of our society and IMO they're are doing nothing wrong, it's the 21st century live and let live.

So how about you rub your two brain cells together for a little bit longer next time before posting childish, mindless c**p like that!

Stropz was right, your post was terribly homophobic. And more, that's something big, you said you have any problem with gay people but for you, seeing that when you are eating is a problem...that's quite strange isn"t it ? Why it could be different to see that than to see a straight couple ? Just explain to me why and as you said "rub your two brain cells together" :thumbs:

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Stropz
And the "homophobic post of the week" award goes to..............

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people.

How is that a homophobic post? It's fact. I have no problem with gay people at all, i'm one of those people that says "each to their own". I mean it's not something I particularly want to see one my TV screen when i'm eating my dinner or when Im out about, but that doesn't mean i'm going to rush to my phone and call Ofcom and complain or shout abuse at the next gay couple I see a kissing, which IS considered homophobic. Homosexuality has long been a part of our society and IMO they're are doing nothing wrong, it's the 21st century live and let live.

So how about you rub your two brain cells together for a little bit longer next time before posting childish, mindless c**p like that!

Stropz was right, your post was terribly homophobic. And more, that's something big, you said you have any problem with gay people but for you, seeing that when you are eating is a problem...that's quite strange isn"t it ? Why it could be different to see that than to see a straight couple ? Just explain to me why and as you said "rub your two brain cells together" :thumbs:

Ok, so I dont like seeing two men kiss, does that make me a homophobe? Does that mean I have a problem with them?

[Captain.Remy]

Accept that because you will see more natural behaviours like this in the next years ! The society changes !

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Ok, so I dont like seeing two men kiss, does that make me a homophobe? Does that mean I have a problem with them?

Do you have a problem in seeing a man and woman kiss? Any why is it "natural" for a man and woman? You are saying it is unatural for two men then. Is it also unatural for 2 women?

[~Kizwiz~]

Two men kissing doesnt offend me.... neither does 2 girls.

I dont see the fuss to be fair.

If seeing two men kissing offends someone but not 2 women or a man and a women then I would concider this to be a homophobic comment.

[Captain.Remy]

I didn't think about this Luva ! :tongue: Well done !

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by sunshine30
I didn't think about this Luva ! :tongue: Well done !

Well everyone is a human being and has feelings. Gay, straight, bisexual, whatever! As long as noone is hurting anyone else, I don't see what the problem is?

[Captain.Remy]

In fact, some people think being homophobic is an opinion...but like the racism, it's NOT an opinion, it's punished by the laws, you can't express it ! Ok it's a forum, the laws thing is quite impossible but a member who is homophobic must be banned forever. It's a forum where we express opinions, not in order to accept some comments like this !

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Ok, so I dont like seeing two men kiss, does that make me a homophobe? Does that mean I have a problem with them?

Do you have a problem in seeing a man and woman kiss? Any why is it "natural" for a man and woman? You are saying it is unatural for two men then. Is it also unatural for 2 women?

Nope, no problem seeing two members of the opposite sex kissing.
I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30
In fact, some people think being homophobic is an opinion...but like the racism, it's NOT an opinion, it's punished by the laws, you can't express it ! Ok it's a forum, the laws thing is quite impossible but a member who is homophobic must be banned forever. It's a forum where we express opinions, not in order to accept some comments like this !

Ok just explain which part of my posts were homophobic in any any?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Nope, no problem seeing two members of the opposite sex kissing.
I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it.

So its unnatural, but not wrong????

[Dr43%er]

Two women kissing is the most natural thing in the world. I witnessed it once and it rocked, so it is natural. Fact. (cross thread sarcasm mode turned off) off you go ladies, lez up like there is no tomorrow.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Nope, no problem seeing two members of the opposite sex kissing.
I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it.

So its unnatural, but not wrong????

That's what I said yes :puzzled:

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Two women kissing is the most natural thing in the world. I witnessed it once and it rocked, so it is natural. Fact. (cross thread sarcasm mode turned off) off you go ladies, lez up like there is no tomorrow.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :joker:

[Dr43%er]

I am sure it is very natural for the people involved.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
In fact, some people think being homophobic is an opinion...but like the racism, it's NOT an opinion, it's punished by the laws, you can't express it ! Ok it's a forum, the laws thing is quite impossible but a member who is homophobic must be banned forever. It's a forum where we express opinions, not in order to accept some comments like this !

Ok just explain which part of my posts were homophobic in any any?

"Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people."

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

"I mean it's not something I particularly want to see one my TV screen when i'm eating my dinner or when Im out about."

Is that enough ? :pat:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Nope, no problem seeing two members of the opposite sex kissing.
I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it.


So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce? And in your view men and women were put on this earth to reproduce? Feelings don't come into it at all? Do me a favour, and ask some gay people, had they the choice, would they rather be straight or gay? You may be surprised by some of the answers some people come out with, all because of the bigotry in todays society and the intolerance some people have.

You say that it's not wrong, but you clearly have a problem with it if you can't stand to see 2 men or 2 men kissing. I view them as people. Maybe you need to open your mind and view things differently, as it is clearly you that has the problem. Think about it.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Ok, so I dont like seeing two men kiss, does that make me a homophobe? Does that mean I have a problem with them?

Do you have a problem in seeing a man and woman kiss? Any why is it "natural" for a man and woman? You are saying it is unatural for two men then. Is it also unatural for 2 women?

Nope, no problem seeing two members of the opposite sex kissing.
I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it.

i think you are trying to be correct just maybe going about it the wrong way.

think of it like this,if a man and woman were unable to have children would they be wrong and against nature? see how that sounds,not very nice.

Homosexuality is as old as humans are,its always been here,in history around the world in some places it was even recognised and celebrated.

Its also apparent in nearly every species,did you know peguin males mate for life,even adopting baby peguins as there own.


Homosexuality is just another human trait,thats more dominant in some males and females than others (tho its been argued that 99% of humans are not 100% straight).

its our society thats making it unnatural not nature.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
In fact, some people think being homophobic is an opinion...but like the racism, it's NOT an opinion, it's punished by the laws, you can't express it ! Ok it's a forum, the laws thing is quite impossible but a member who is homophobic must be banned forever. It's a forum where we express opinions, not in order to accept some comments like this !

Ok just explain which part of my posts were homophobic in any any?

"Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people."

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

"I mean it's not something I particularly want to see one my TV screen when i'm eating my dinner or when Im out about."

Is that enough ? :pat:

So me stating that two members of the same sex kissing is an unnatural act is homophobia is it?

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
In fact, some people think being homophobic is an opinion...but like the racism, it's NOT an opinion, it's punished by the laws, you can't express it ! Ok it's a forum, the laws thing is quite impossible but a member who is homophobic must be banned forever. It's a forum where we express opinions, not in order to accept some comments like this !

Ok just explain which part of my posts were homophobic in any any?

"Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people."

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

"I mean it's not something I particularly want to see one my TV screen when i'm eating my dinner or when Im out about."

Is that enough ? :pat:

So me stating that two members of the same sex kissing is an unnatural act is homophobia is it?

LOL,yes :laugh:

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
In fact, some people think being homophobic is an opinion...but like the racism, it's NOT an opinion, it's punished by the laws, you can't express it ! Ok it's a forum, the laws thing is quite impossible but a member who is homophobic must be banned forever. It's a forum where we express opinions, not in order to accept some comments like this !

Ok just explain which part of my posts were homophobic in any any?

"Ziggy and Chanelle get a different reaction because what they are doing is natural, people are a custom to it, what Gerry and Seany are doing isn't and is foreign to most people."

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

"I mean it's not something I particularly want to see one my TV screen when i'm eating my dinner or when Im out about."

Is that enough ? :pat:

So me stating that two members of the same sex kissing is an unnatural act is homophobia is it?

How to say that...YES ! And don't be proud of this really, it's a shame for you ! :yuk:

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Nope, no problem seeing two members of the opposite sex kissing.
I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it.


So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce? And in your view men and women were put on this earth to reproduce? Feelings don't come into it at all? Do me a favour, and ask some gay people, had they the choice, would they rather be straight or gay? You may be surprised by some of the answers some people come out with, all because of the bigotry in todays society and the intolerance some people have.

You say that it's not wrong, but you clearly have a problem with it if you can't stand to see 2 men or 2 men kissing. I view them as people. Maybe you need to open your mind and view things differently, as it is clearly you that has the problem. Think about it.

I didn't say I cant stand seeing two men kissing, I just dont like to see it. Doesn't mean I'm gonna abuse them or ask them to stop, it's their right they can do what they like.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

So me stating that two members of the same sex kissing is an unnatural act is homophobia is it?

Definitely. Don't you realise that?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I didn't say I cant stand seeing two men kissing, I just dont like to see it. Doesn't mean I'm going to abuse them or ask them to stop, it's their right they can do what they like.


Apologies. You said you "don't like seeing 2 men kiss" and "not something I particularly want to see on my TV screen when i'm eating". "Stand" was obviously the wrong word to choose.

[xXEtchieXx]

According to Wikipedia:

Homophobia is the irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals. It can also mean hatred, hostility, disapproval of, or prejudice towards homosexual people, sexual behavior, or cultures, and is generally used to insinuate bigotry.

I certainly do not fear homosexuals.
I do not hate or discriminate against homosexuals and their sexuality.
I'm not hostile towards them.
I do not disapprove homosexuality, homosexual people, sexual behaviour and cultures.
Nor am I predjudice towards gay people.

I'm sorry Psylocke but I disagree with you.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I didn't say I cant stand seeing two men kissing, I just dont like to see it. Doesn't mean I'm going to abuse them or ask them to stop, it's their right they can do what they like.


Apologies. You said you "don't like seeing 2 men kiss" and "not something I particularly want to see on my TV screen when i'm eating". "Stand" was obviously the wrong word to choose.

Apology accepted.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I do not disapprove homosexuality, homosexual people, sexual behaviour and cultures.



You obviously do as you said it was unnatural.

From the free dictionary:

unnatural: In violation of natural feelings; inhuman.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I didn't say I cant stand seeing two men kissing, I just dont like to see it. Doesn't mean I'm going to abuse them or ask them to stop, it's their right they can do what they like.


Apologies. You said you "don't like seeing 2 men kiss" and "not something I particularly want to see on my TV screen when i'm eating". "Stand" was obviously the wrong word to choose.

Apology accepted.

Thanks ever so much.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I do not disapprove homosexuality, homosexual people, sexual behaviour and cultures.



You obviously do as you said it was unnatural.

From the free dictionary:

unnatural: In violation of natural feelings; inhuman.

No, me disapproving would be me sitting here and saying it's wrong to be gay.
I'm genuinely sorry if i'm hurting anyone's feelings here because that is not my intention.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx


I'm sorry Psylocke but I disagree with you.

Disagree with me about what?,i was the one saying you were just wording yourself wrong.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

No, me disapproving would be me sitting here and saying it's wrong to be gay.
I'm genuinely sorry if i'm hurting anyone's feelings here because that is not my intention.

The fact is you used the word unnatural.

I hope you have taken peoples thoughts on board and this has at least been a thought provoking thread for you.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

No, me disapproving would be me sitting here and saying it's wrong to be gay.
I'm genuinely sorry if i'm hurting anyone's feelings here because that is not my intention.

The fact is you used the word unnatural.

I hope you have taken peoples thoughts on board and this has at least been a thought provoking thread for you.

Well you've asked me how its unnatural, so in what way is it a natural thing?
Not really no, it's just a matter of opinion I guess. Being brought up amongst men my entire life you should be able to understand why I dont like seeing them kiss. Women I can handle, men not so much. :wink:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Well you've asked me how its unnatural, so in what way is it a natural thing?
Not really no, it's just a matter of opinion I guess.

Your post speaks volumes about yourself. And so does your attitude.

And I notice your mood on your avvy. Is that supposed to be funny?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Well you've asked me how its unnatural, so in what way is it a natural thing?


Its about feelings.... an emotion every human has..... each person is an individual and as such its irrelevant as to who is attracted to whom.

Not whether is it "natural" as you say.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Well you've asked me how its unnatural, so in what way is it a natural thing?
Not really no, it's just a matter of opinion I guess.

Your post speaks volumes about yourself. And so does your attitide.

There is no attitude, i'm not gonna say i've learned loads because I haven't this thread hasn't taught me anything I didn't already know accept unnatural may be the wrong term. You can insult me all you want but you can't answer the question, so your arguments have no backbone. That speaks volumes about you.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Well you've asked me how its unnatural, so in what way is it a natural thing?


Its about feelings.... an emotion every human has..... each person is an individual and as such its irrelevant as to who is attracted to whom.

Not whether is it "natural" as you say.

I take your point, I dont mean to single out individuals or hurt anyones feelings at all.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Well you've asked me how its unnatural, so in what way is it a natural thing?
Not really no, it's just a matter of opinion I guess.

Your post speaks volumes about yourself. And so does your attitude.

And I notice your mood on your avvy. Is that supposed to be funny?

I changed it hoping to spread some light on the situation but obviously your sense of humour is at an all time low so i'll change it.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

There is no attitude, i'm not going to say i've learned loads because I haven't this thread hasn't taught me anything I didn't already know accept unnatural may be the wrong term. You can insult me all you want but you can't answer the question, so your arguments have no backbone. That speaks volumes about you.

Can't answer what question? Have you read any of my posts? I made one rather long one and all you could comment on was that you didn't say you "couldn't stand" gays. Your arrogance astounds me. Ask yourself how many members are agreeing with you here, and how many are disagreeing.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I changed it hoping to spread some light on the situation but obviously your sense of humour is at an all time low so i'll change it.

I am sure everyone on this forum knows what my sense of humour is like. Just do not find this subject one to particularly joke about unlike yourself. Hence why it is posted in "serious debates". Maybe I should post "loving the victims" in a thread on rape "just for a laugh".

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Nope, no problem seeing two members of the opposite sex kissing.
I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it.


So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce? And in your view men and women were put on this earth to reproduce? Feelings don't come into it at all? Do me a favour, and ask some gay people, had they the choice, would they rather be straight or gay? You may be surprised by some of the answers some people come out with, all because of the bigotry in todays society and the intolerance some people have.

You say that it's not wrong, but you clearly have a problem with it if you can't stand to see 2 men or 2 men kissing. I view them as people. Maybe you need to open your mind and view things differently, as it is clearly you that has the problem. Think about it.

I'm guessing you mean this one. :rolleyes:

I chose to ignore it because all you did was mis-quote me. When have I said gay people as a whole are unnatural because they cant reproduce? The rest is irelevant so I let it go.

[Wiglet]

I have not been a member here and have seen a few seriously vitriolic homophobic posters come and go but xXEtchieXx probably represents a large proportion of males in this country. I am not saying all but a fair few.

There are many who do not want to admit to their feelings about homosexual men because if they do they fear they will be ostracized and this is exactly what has happened here to a certain extent. There are probably woman who feel the same way about lesbians too if the truth be told but the truth is not told is it?

The younger generation will talk about this more as you have pointed out but the older ones will not. This is an excellent thread and the more this is discussed the more intolerance is wiped out.

Well done everyone who has contributed.:thumbs:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I'm guessing you mean this one. :rolleyes:

I chose to ignore it because all you did was mis-quote me. When have I said gay people as a whole are unnatural because they cant reproduce? The rest is irelevant so I let it go.


Can you point out where I have misquoted you please? At least back up your allegations. And the reast is irrelevant is it? How opinionated you are.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I changed it hoping to spread some light on the situation but obviously your sense of humour is at an all time low so i'll change it.

I am sure everyone on this forum knows what my sense of humour is like. Just do not find this subject one to particularly joke about unlike yourself. Hence why it is posted in "serious debates". Maybe I should post "loving the victims" in a thread on rape "just for a laugh".

Utter garbage. What a comparison, it's not like we're talking about gay people being killed or raped are we? We were arguing about homophobia on a forum. I'm not gonna argue with someone who puts homophobia in the same category as rape. Incredible!

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce?

I didn't state or incinuate that.
The rest was irelevant to what was being discussed.
And yes I am opinionated, opinionated and proud of it!

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I changed it hoping to spread some light on the situation but obviously your sense of humour is at an all time low so i'll change it.

I am sure everyone on this forum knows what my sense of humour is like. Just do not find this subject one to particularly joke about unlike yourself. Hence why it is posted in "serious debates". Maybe I should post "loving the victims" in a thread on rape "just for a laugh".

Utter garbage. What a comparison, it's not like we're talking about gay people being killed or raped are we? We were arguing about homophobia on a forum. I'm not going to argue with someone who puts homophobia in the same category as rape. Incredible!

You fail to see the irony. You are trivialising something that is a serious subject. You have no argument, you are just prejudiced in my opinion. I think everyone can see that now.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce?

I didn't state or incinuate that.

You said that clearly, and you assumed that later, don't get us wrong with that ! You may offended some people on the forum, that's weird.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce?

I didn't state or incinuate that.
The rest was irelevant to what was being discussed.
And yes I am opinionated, opinionated and proud of it!

Don't know how the thought entered my head then?

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce?

I didn't state or incinuate that.

You said that clearly, and you assumed that later, don't get us wrong with that ! You may offended some people on the forum, that's weird.

Quote me.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce?

I didn't state or incinuate that.

You said that clearly, and you assumed that later, don't get us wrong with that ! You may offended some people on the forum, that's weird.

Quote me.

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Quote me.

Quote - "I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?"

This states quite clearly to me that it is unnatural as men cannot reproduce. Anyone else care to comment?

[Captain.Remy]

Therefore you state and incinuate that ! :wavey:

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Quote me.

Quote - "I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?"

This states quite clearly to me that it is unnatural as men cannot reproduce. Anyone else care to comment?

That's about two men kissing on BB not gay people as a whole.
And you would say that that is me saying homosexuals are unnatural because they cannot reproduce is it?! LOL

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce?

I didn't state or incinuate that.

You said that clearly, and you assumed that later, don't get us wrong with that ! You may offended some people on the forum, that's weird.

Quote me.

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

And thats me saying homosexuals are unnatural because they cannot reproduce? No it isn't.

[Captain.Remy]

"I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce? And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

Are you blind or what ? Really ! It makes me sick that you can't see what you said and the meaning of that. :yuk:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

And you would say that that is me saying homosexuals are unnatural because they cannot reproduce is it?!


I have already, or did you miss that too? It would be interesting if some other members would comment on this.

[Mrluvaluva]

I have to go now, but I will respond to any comments tomorrow. Do not worry.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Mrluvaluva
I have to go now, but I will respond to any comments tomorrow. Do not worry.

I will for you ! :thumbs::laugh2:

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30
"I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce? And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

Are you blind or what ? Really ! It makes me sick that you can't see what you said and the meaning of that. :yuk:

Yes if you read the posts before that you would see that was about the act of men & men kissing, not gay people as a whole.

[Taijitu]

Isnt the issue of "natural" and "unnatural" just down to semantics?

Anyway, thanks for this thread as it has made me realise why I have felt uncomfortable seeing two guys kissing and embracing. Not saying that this is the case for anyone else but it goes like this:

If anyone sees something that the link to sex they will oftern get turned on, the same goes for words such as lust, caress, kiss etc.. When a "straight" guy sees two men kissing they may get turned on by it as they are linking it to sex. Since they feel they are only attracted to the opposite sex this will most likely confuse them and they chose to blank it out rather then come to terms with it. If they feel very confused they may try to take it out on those they feel are responsible, i.e. the two men.

As I say it may well not be the case for anyone else but I find it interesting.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx
Originally posted by sunshine30
"I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce? And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

Are you blind or what ? Really ! It makes me sick that you can't see what you said and the meaning of that. :yuk:

Yes if you read the posts before that you would see that was about the act of men & men kissing, not gay people.

what are the most of time, 2 men kissing ? Pathetic, you have no excuse really. I said "the most of time" don't get me wrong with that.
As a straight guy, for me it doesn't matter really what 2 men do in their bed. One of my friend is lesbian and when we go in nightclubs, and she kisses a girl, for us, it's like if I do it with my girlfriend.
After, there is the sort of "I kiss you but I'm straight" game. It's just for fun, 2 girls kissing or 2 guys kissing. There is nothing about homosexuality.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by wiglet
I have not been a member here and have seen a few seriously vitriolic homophobic posters come and go but xXEtchieXx probably represents a large proportion of males in this country. I am not saying all but a fair few.

There are many who do not want to admit to their feelings about homosexual men because if they do they fear they will be ostracized and this is exactly what has happened here to a certain extent. There are probably woman who feel the same way about lesbians too if the truth be told but the truth is not told is it?

The younger generation will talk about this more as you have pointed out but the older ones will not. This is an excellent thread and the more this is discussed the more intolerance is wiped out.

Well done everyone who has contributed.:thumbs:

I cant quite believe that the most sensible post in the thread has been over looked.

Wiglet you speak wise words - this is a great, well thought out post :dance2:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by wiglet
I have not been a member here and have seen a few seriously vitriolic homophobic posters come and go but xXEtchieXx probably represents a large proportion of males in this country. I am not saying all but a fair few.

There are many who do not want to admit to their feelings about homosexual men because if they do they fear they will be ostracized and this is exactly what has happened here to a certain extent. There are probably woman who feel the same way about lesbians too if the truth be told but the truth is not told is it?

The younger generation will talk about this more as you have pointed out but the older ones will not. This is an excellent thread and the more this is discussed the more intolerance is wiped out.

Well done everyone who has contributed.:thumbs:

I cant quite believe that the most sensible post in the thread has been over looked.

Wiglet you speak wise words - this is a great, well thought out post :dance2:

Couldnt agree with you more

Karma + for wiglet :thumbs:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Well whats the deal?

Whats been you experience on here? Do you believe that maybe the problem is age? or ignorance? or somthing more sinister?

I find it quite disturbing,so usually i just sit back and read,but Im surprised it isnt as policed as racism.

Maybe its just acceptable in the media and half these kids think its ok
as it was said on BBBM and various other media outlets,Chris moyles can make homophobic comments on his radio show and nothing is said about it,yet Emily who makes a racially unacceptable word (yet not in a hatefull contest) and gets punished harshly (in T.V standards)

But i must give kudos to alot of the mods (specially red moon) who seem quick of the mark to check it om here,but Im surprised it even happens

I think to say it is rampant is a little unfair, when you look at the actual size of the membership you will find that it is actually a small minority who are actually out and out homophobic.

Some posters are thoughtless and that comes from lack of life experience or life skills. Some people have very limited communication skills which shines through in posts.

I know if I see anything that looks homophobic I take immediate action, but sometimes debate about these issues is healthy, it allows people to be educated through debate.

Also at the bottom end we have some mean, nasty members who are going to do and say anything to get a rise and they are the ones we all need to look out for really.

I agree with what you say about Chris Moyles ( I love him) he does get away with making many homophobic comments, but they are usually made to Aled who has accepted them as part of his role in the show which is a shame really, I would love to hear him stick up to Moyles and let rip!!

[Wiglet]

Without wishing to stir up a great big pot, I read the post by xEtchieXx to which we are now banging on about,( the nicest possible sense) to read that sex between two men was unnatural.

I was rather shocked to read it stated like that and took in a little, but deep intake of breath because I knew darn well you were going to put yourself in a whole lot of trouble. You then dug yourself a deeper hole with further comments.

What you are stating some people will agree with. But tell me, do you have a perception of what a gay man/woman is and is it a case of you are fine with people being gay as long as 'they get on with it in their own yard'? Without putting words in your mouth that is what it looks like.

I don't know if that is homophobia or straight forward ignorance?

[Wiglet]

Thank you for my karma:blush2:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by wiglet
Thank you for my karma:blush2:

welcome wiglet I gave you Karma for an excellent post

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by wiglet
Thank you for my karma:blush2:

:thumbs:

[Taijitu]

Can some comment please on my theory in my last post about why straight men may have a problem with seeing two men kissing, would be interested in your views, esp. Psylocke's. :elephant:.

Edit: Wiglet, always enjoy reading your posts on all the topics :thumbs:.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Isnt the issue of "natural" and "unnatural" just down to semantics?

Anyway, thanks for this thread as it has made me realise why I have felt uncomfortable seeing two guys kissing and embracing. Not saying that this is the case for anyone else but it goes like this:

If anyone sees something that the link to sex they will oftern get turned on, the same goes for words such as lust, caress, kiss etc.. When a "straight" guy sees two men kissing they may get turned on by it as they are linking it to sex. Since they feel they are only attracted to the opposite sex this will most likely confuse them and they chose to blank it out rather then come to terms with it. If they feel very confused they may try to take it out on those they feel are responsible, i.e. the two men.

As I say it may well not be the case for anyone else but I find it interesting.

very Interesting perspective,and one that psycologists use in determining why some people are violent homophobes.

People that hate somone else,espically others sexuality,usually are uncomfortable because somwhere inside them they are unsure or confused about there own sexuality.they use others as a focus for there confusion which usually turns to hate.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by wiglet
Thank you for my karma:blush2:

:thumbs:

[Captain.Remy]

I think I will resume what's going on:

homophobic people ! Accept the others, you are just jealous ! :pat:

Is that alright ?

Swearing or trying to use swear words with stars in place is against forum rules, warning will be issued if this continues - sunny_01

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Taijitu
Isnt the issue of "natural" and "unnatural" just down to semantics?

Anyway, thanks for this thread as it has made me realise why I have felt uncomfortable seeing two guys kissing and embracing. Not saying that this is the case for anyone else but it goes like this:

If anyone sees something that the link to sex they will oftern get turned on, the same goes for words such as lust, caress, kiss etc.. When a "straight" guy sees two men kissing they may get turned on by it as they are linking it to sex. Since they feel they are only attracted to the opposite sex this will most likely confuse them and they chose to blank it out rather then come to terms with it. If they feel very confused they may try to take it out on those they feel are responsible, i.e. the two men.

As I say it may well not be the case for anyone else but I find it interesting.

very Interesting perspective,and one that psycologists use in determining why some people are violent homophobes.

People that hate somone else,espically others sexuality,usually are uncomfortable because somwhere inside them they are unsure or confused about there own sexuality.they use others as a focus for there confusion which usually turns to hate.

Hehe, good point, I have studied psychology a long time ago but didnt consciously link theory into practice or into my own experience (always nice when you can link the two though).

I honestly believe the best way to deal with homophobic attitudes is to first understand where they are coming from and then lead them to where you are or atleast a place where both sides can get on with one another.

Thanks for your reply.

[lily.]

Taijitu : We should all take on board your theory and the next time we see a homophobic post we should simply just respond to the poster with "You're gay!"




Note: This post was created with the intention of adding some humour onto the end of a very well debated subject. The author of this post takes no responsibility for any offense caused to members who may or may not have a sense of humour.

[Gap]

xXEtchieXx, the problem with your post was, you made a compasrison on the fact that it was two men not for the fact that it was Gerry and Seany kissing. It may not have been homophobic but just be carefull beore you tap or bang next time. You're angry or just not thinking, who knows?

[Psylocke]

Nice av Stropz :colour:

[lily.]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Nice av Stropz :colour:


Thanks mate! :thumbs: Did you like my wee joke as well? :tongue:

[Psylocke]

stropz i did :laugh:

[Dr43%er]

Homosexuals are gay. :wink:

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Nice av Stropz :colour:

Call me conservative and I honestly do not want to offend anyone but IMO I don't think that is an appropriate avatar for a forum with young members.

[Mrluvaluva]

Why Kristen?

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Why Kristen?

I don't know. It's just if I had kids I wouldn't want them seeing it.
I'm sure a lot of people would disagree and consider me stupid but I just think there are better ways to express yourself.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Kristen

I don't know. It's just if I had kids I wouldn't want them seeing it.
I'm sure a lot of people would disagree and consider me stupid but I just think there are better ways to express yourself.

Is it just because it is 2 people kissing? Or do you think that particualr pic is slightly sexual?

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Kristen

I don't know. It's just if I had kids I wouldn't want them seeing it.
I'm sure a lot of people would disagree and consider me stupid but I just think there are better ways to express yourself.

Is it just because it is 2 people kissing? Or do you think that particualr pic is slightly sexual?

The fact they both have their shirts off is sexual.
I have to admit when I heard Gerry and Seany both kissed I was a little grossed out but not because they were both men. I was grossed out because I find neither of them slightly attractive.
I didn't mind when Jason and Dan kissed because I thought Jason was fit. Maybe not all the 'yuk's' and 'eurgh's' were homophobic.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Kristen

Maybe not all the 'yuk's' and 'eurgh's' were homophobic.

That could be true, but on such sensitive an issue, I think members need to explain themselves a bit better as you have done. Thanks.

[Captain.Remy]

It shows that you are disgusted by this, for you then it's not the same thing as a straight couple. I don't think you do that if Mikey and Grace are kissing isn't it ?

[Dr43%er]

"The fact they both have their shirts off is sexual." Maybe it was a hot day when the photo was took.

How would you feel if it was a man and a woman nearly kissing in the pic?

[Kristen]

That is a good point Remy.
If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive nobody can deny it. It's just I wouldn't want children seeing something like that.
I have nothing against gay people. I have gay friends and am disgusted by homophobia. People have a right to live their lives and they can not help this.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Kristen

If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive nobody can deny it. It's just I wouldn't want children seeing something like that.


But don't you think that as an image like this is still taboo to a certain extent, that if we treated it as a normal, natural thing, then attitudes might change?

[Dr43%er]

"If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive"

To you. Please don't try to tell me what i should find offencive.

"nobody can deny it."

I can.

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Stropz
Taijitu : We should all take on board your theory and the next time we see a homophobic post we should simply just respond to the poster with "You're gay!"




Note: This post was created with the intention of adding some humour onto the end of a very well debated subject. The author of this post takes no responsibility for any offense caused to members who may or may not have a sense of humour.

OMG! NO! NO! This really isnt what I was trying to say at all! :laugh::conf::conf2::laugh::laugh:

Look at it another way. If you watch a nature program and see two chimps having sex you can get turned on, not because you want sex with chimps but because you link it to having sex with your girlfriend/boyfriend. When a straight guy sees two men together they arnt attracted to men but get turned on and therefore feel uncomfortable (please dont think Im comparing gay people to chimps here...).

I know you added the note at the end but honestly telling a straight guy he could be gay because he gets turned on seeing two men together is the worst thing you could do as A) It may make him feel even more anger and B) he knows he is straight so justifies to himself that he is right and you are wrong.

I understand what your note at the end ment but just writing this in the hope that everyone else does :spin:.

Anyway, hope everyone carries on enjoying the show, I promise this is me last post here :bigsmile:.

P.S. Thanks for the piccy Stropz I was wanting to see something like that to see how I would react :bigsmile:. Love your sig aswell :flowers:.

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Kristen

If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive nobody can deny it. It's just I wouldn't want children seeing something like that.


But don't you think that as an image like this is still taboo to a certain extent, that if we treated it as a normal, natural thing, then attitudes might change?

I hope attitudes do change and we have come a long way in a short time with respect to homosexuals.
It's a bit strange because I just watched the ep of 'Seinfeld' where George thinks he's turning gay without realising and at the end in Jerry's stand up sketch he asked what causes homophobia :laugh:
Strange innit.

[lily.]

I'm not changing my avatar because there's nothing indecent about it. In fact, there have been far more indecent images on people's signatures and avatars in the past. However, they were only of heterosexuals and nobody seemed to object. Coincidence?

My children have seen gay couples kissing on the TV before. It's really no different from seeing straight couples kissing. I'm very responsible with regards to what my children are allowed to watch on TV, and they are certainly not exposed to anything indecent or sexually explicit. However, in my opinion, a kiss is neither of those.

I would be more concerned with children talking rather openly to strangers on an internet forum than them seeing an image like the one I have on the avatar. My children are not allowed online unsupervised. There seem to be rather a lot of children who are. I would think that would be a far more important issue to address.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Kristen
That is a good point Remy.
If it was a man and a woman it would be less offensive nobody can deny it. It's just I wouldn't want children seeing something like that.
I have nothing against gay people. I have gay friends and am disgusted by homophobia. People have a right to live their lives and they can not help this.

OMG,Im not even goin to justify that with any answer.
I mean OMG

[lily.]

I think my post pretty much said it all psy.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
I think my post pretty much said it all psy.

:elephant::cheer:

Love it LOL

[lily.]

Loving muh rainbow of many colours here too.. although methinks it might not be here for too long.. :tongue:

Thankies dah-lin.. :kiss:

[Emilee]

I love gays... not so much lesbians but whatever.

I dont see whats wrong with it at all. when on bb seany and jerry were kissing my mom was like OMG thats so disgusting!! Yuk!! I was just like whats wrong with it... theres nothing wrong.

I do think rasism and homophobic issues should be addressed the same.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Emilee
I do think rasism and homophobic issues should be addressed the same.

Yes, because both are discriminating against other people, which to me, and I'm sure to many others, is wrong full stop.

[csec]

Pointless post deleted. Kaz.

[Kaz]

Originally posted by Stropz
Loving muh rainbow of many colours here too.. although methinks it might not be here for too long.. :tongue:

Still there, Stropz. Just slightly edited. Remember, you're live on TiBB .... please do not swear! :tongue:

[lily.]

Thanks Kaz.. I was guna edit it myself, but I figured I'd live up to my reputation and push the boundaries a wee bit first.. :wink:

Cheers for letting it stay though.. you're a star! :bigsmile:

[nodisharmony]

[i]Originally posted by Emilee[i]
I love gays... not so much lesbians but whatever.

It isn't really true that anyone can really say that they love all Gay people, as there are bad Gay people, just as there is good Gay people.

I would say, that if a Gay housemate is in BB & he seems very nice, like, "Gerry" for instance. That I won't look upon him any differently, as he is Gay. That part doesn't matter. Straight/Gay/Bi whatever... He is a housemate & that is it.

Again, I can't agree about your comment regarding "Lesbians" either.

If a housemate is a Lesbian housemate, I won't judge her on being that way either.

I dont see whats wrong with it at all. when on bb seany and jerry were kissing my mom was like OMG thats so disgusting!! Yuk!! I was just like whats wrong with it... theres nothing wrong.

It is probably because, it is unusual to see on BB, that's all...

Many do get offended by this and many have complained too. But, that won't make the blindest bit of difference.

A Gay housemate kissing another Gay housemate is allowed, so, opinions are just opinions....

Accept or switch the channel over.

I do think rasism and homophobic issues should be addressed the same.


That won't happen Emilee.

Racism is far more delicate and dangerous. Probably 90% more. It is the government which makes that so.





nodisharmony :angel:

[Sunny_01]

People are people regardless of their sexuality, we run the risk of labelling all gays as funny or camp etc... judge people for who they are not who they choose to love!

I hate labels when it comes to sexuality, I am married to a man simply because he is the person I fell in love with.

[Emilee]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
[i]Originally posted by Emilee[i]
I love gays... not so much lesbians but whatever.

It isn't really true that anyone can really say that they love all Gay people, as there are bad Gay people, just as there is good Gay people.

I would say, that if a Gay housemate is in BB & he seems very nice, like, "Gerry" for instance. That I won't look upon him any differently, as he is Gay. That part doesn't matter. Straight/Gay/Bi whatever... He is a housemate & that is it.

Again, I can't agree about your comment regarding "Lesbians" either.

If a housemate is a Lesbian housemate, I won't judge her on being that way either.

I dont see whats wrong with it at all. when on bb seany and jerry were kissing my mom was like OMG thats so disgusting!! Yuk!! I was just like whats wrong with it... theres nothing wrong.

It is probably because, it is unusual to see on BB, that's all...

Many do get offended by this and many have complained too. But, that won't make the blindest bit of difference.

A Gay housemate kissing another Gay housemate is allowed, so, opinions are just opinions....

Accept or switch the channel over.

I do think rasism and homophobic issues should be addressed the same.


That won't happen Emilee.

Racism is far more delicate and dangerous. Probably 90% more. It is the government which makes that so.





nodisharmony :angel:

Thanks for talking about my post it was interesting. XX

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Emilee
Originally posted by nodisharmony
[i]Originally posted by Emilee[i]
I love gays... not so much lesbians but whatever.

It isn't really true that anyone can really say that they love all Gay people, as there are bad Gay people, just as there is good Gay people.

I would say, that if a Gay housemate is in BB & he seems very nice, like, "Gerry" for instance. That I won't look upon him any differently, as he is Gay. That part doesn't matter. Straight/Gay/Bi whatever... He is a housemate & that is it.

Again, I can't agree about your comment regarding "Lesbians" either.

If a housemate is a Lesbian housemate, I won't judge her on being that way either.

I dont see whats wrong with it at all. when on bb seany and jerry were kissing my mom was like OMG thats so disgusting!! Yuk!! I was just like whats wrong with it... theres nothing wrong.

It is probably because, it is unusual to see on BB, that's all...

Many do get offended by this and many have complained too. But, that won't make the blindest bit of difference.

A Gay housemate kissing another Gay housemate is allowed, so, opinions are just opinions....

Accept or switch the channel over.

I do think rasism and homophobic issues should be addressed the same.


That won't happen Emilee.

Racism is far more delicate and dangerous. Probably 90% more. It is the government which makes that so.





nodisharmony :angel:

Thanks for talking about my post it was interesting. XX



No problem Emilee:thumbs:

We nearly agreed:laugh:







nodisharmony :angel:

[Wiglet]

I like the intellectual challenge that goes with a debate like this and what a great thread this has become. It is a shame the xXetchieXx has decided to leave the debate for whatever reason because as I said before he probably speaks like a large proportion of the nation, (whether I and others like it or not.)

We can hope that pictures such as Stropz do not bring with them homophobic madness because you will find trolls on the net who will target you for your avatar. Personally I think it is a beautiful piece of artwork no matter what the content of the picture!

My cousin is gay . He's 23 and I am the only family member he has spoken to about it. He is terrified of rejection and what everyone will say. I suspect my extended family will accept him (or I hope most will?) but he has not even told his parents.

Doesn't this just show that there must be an undercurrent of fear or misunderstanding, (whatever the word is) within society? I don't think my family is any different to any others. Some people have an understanding and acceptance of homosexuality however not all.

[Bells]

Although I haven't noticed it myself, it doesn't surprise me so much that homophobia is about on TiBB, as generally speaking, it does exist quite a lot.

Even at my college... for ages we thought a close friend of mine was perhaps gay, but nobody said anything. Recently he's been going on lots of trips to nearby cities, and it turns out he has a boyfriend. He then confided in me and two other friends, telling us that he's most likely bisexual, although more gay than straight. However, because of the reaction he's been receiving from people despite them not even knowing the truth, he's afraid to admit anything and some other friends have simply resorted to speculating.

The problem is that gay people are still rather new in society; although it is becoming accepted a lot quicker, people just aren't open-minded enough to realise that people are entitled to making their own decisions, and it shouldn't make them any different.

[Wiglet]

Ash I think I understand what you are saying but do you mind if I re-word something?

"gay people are still rather new in society" Not quite correct, but I think what you mean is that coming out and saying you are gay is more of a new thing?

Acceptance by the general public as a whole is going to take many many decades. If we all as we grow older and go on to have families of our own; we then bring our offspring up to accept that being gay is fine then hopefully we will have a society that is the so called perfect one we all strive for - Alas you will always have bigots, racists and the like and we will NEVER be able to change some people.:bawling:

[Bells]

Originally posted by wiglet
I think what you mean is that coming out and saying you are gay is more of a new thing?

Yes that's what I meant - thank you for re-wording it. :thumbs:

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Ash
people just aren't open-minded enough to realise that people are entitled to making their own decisions, and it shouldn't make them any different. Peados,Murderers,Thieves etc?????Do they not make thier own decisions?Are they any diffrent?Surley people can dislike a certain group without being phobic or ist.

[spitfire]

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[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spitfire

erm i messed up,delete this post mods/admin.:thumbs:


You can edit your own posts spitfire:thumbs:

No problem there, if you've made a mistake..

Just click "Edit post" and correct your mistake and that's it:hello:






nodisharmony :angel:

[Dr43%er]

Hey, nodis, before you go on about others editing their posts look at where you have caused offence.

Just click "Edit post" and correct your mistake and that's it:hello:

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Hey, nodis, before you go on about others editing their posts look at where you have caused offence.

Just click "Edit post" and correct your mistake and that's it:hello:

My above post was in regards Spitfire's query.

Anyone reading that would understand......

Regarding your comment, well, :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::la ugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

As if I'm going to ever listen to you, (more than doubtful):cloud:





nodisharmony :angel:

[Wiglet]

PSYLOCKE?

With regards to this forum and the question you asked in the first place, what made you feel that homophobia was rampant here?

I do not feel the same way as you, although I do see that sometimes certain individuals join and their only purpose is to cause as much upset in as little space as possible. This aim could be to spread racist, homophobic, or political propoganda.

I've owned a forum allbeit a small one and I made sure I agreed all members beforehand but that was because I could. You can't do it with this forum as it is so large. Even though I was able to agree members I may add I still ended up with problems. You can't win and you'll always get those who want to cause trouble.

[Bells]

In response to the post spitfire wanted edited anyway, more specifically I meant decisions about sexuality...