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Shaun
18-04-2020, 03:33 AM
No preview thread for this earlier in the week because the YouTube channel seems to have split from the VH1 channel and it's all got a bit higgledypiggledy.

Anyway, the episode has now aired and if you haven't seen it yet, they have to create adverts for a drag product (basically the same challenge as AS2's). Someone has indeed gone home, so... yeah spoilers.

Seen the lipsync and the adverts with the exception of Sherry's. For me they should've gone thusly...

WIN: Heidi
HIGH: Jackie, Crystal
SAFE: Jaida
LOW: Jan
B2: Widow & Gigi

Gigi was a clear bottom two candidate but of course they keep in some gasps and "ooh wow!!"s for her (kinda bland) runway as justification for keeping her record pristine :idc:

MB.
18-04-2020, 04:04 AM
Gigi and Sherry doing poorly in a challenge sustains me

Captain.Remy
18-04-2020, 07:29 AM
Finally Widow was in the bottom! I really wanted her to go home because she's been mediocre the whole time except for the first week. Still as annoying and conceited as ever. :rolleyes:
But of course they kept Widow because she was a fan of the guest judge and Ru wanted some drama next week due to the queens saying she should go home. Her lipsync wasn't that great, all she does is being angry on stage when singing. But whatever.

I don't get why Jan left though? I mean, Gigi's was second worst after Widow's. But Gigi is Ru's crush (good bye Naomi Smalls) so she's not going anywhere. And she has three wins to her advantage. And yes Jan cried mostly because she lost the challenge, everybody knows about it.

So pleased at Crystal! She is turning it around big time! She was hilarious and was smart about it.

AMEN at Heidi winning her first challenge! She was way above the rest tonight, Jaida was second, then Crystal and Jackie. Heidi really needed that challenge win, and she used whatever she could to get it. A true fan favorite!

Overall, it was a good episode I believe. No sob stories, no mean and unfunny shade towards the girls, just talent, laughs and a GREAT RUNWAY THEME!

Braden
18-04-2020, 12:18 PM
May we never see Bob Harper on Drag Race ever again.

Samm
18-04-2020, 12:25 PM
May we never see Bob Harper on Drag Race ever again.

this! he was useless

JAN :bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling: I found her advert hilarious much more funny then gigi or sherry's. Anyway so happy for heidi's win she deserved it

Saph
18-04-2020, 01:11 PM
Theres definitely a lot of talent this season, all the runways were amazing, I didnt dislike any. Crystal and Sherry were the best, followed by Jaida, Widow, Gigi, Heidi then Jackie last.

The commercials.... Widow was probably the worst closely followed by Gigi. Sherry next. I didnt actually think Jans was that bad idrk why the judges didnt like it.

The lipsync basically focused on Widow the entire song :skull: you could sometimes see Jan in the background dancing past her

Overall a pretty good ep, it was satisfying to see Gigi taken down a peg by the judges

Moniqua
18-04-2020, 01:37 PM
Finally Widow was in the bottom! I really wanted her to go home because she's been mediocre the whole time except for the first week. Still as annoying and conceited as ever. :rolleyes:
But of course they kept Widow because she was a fan of the guest judge and Ru wanted some drama next week due to the queens saying she should go home. Her lipsync wasn't that great, all she does is being angry on stage when singing. But whatever.


girl ****

widow has been so consistent the whole time, she has done well in literally every challenge so you’re pulling that “mediocre” **** out of your ass

Daniel-X
18-04-2020, 01:47 PM
Jan :sad::sad:sad: hopefully we’ll see her on a future AS season at one point because she’s incredibly talented and unfortunately got shafted this time round. There’s no way Gigi should’ve been safe this week, but hey she’s tall, white and thin so anything she wears is ~fashion~ I guess. (Compare her looks to the likes of Aquaria and Raja, just no. She is not on their level.)

This season is shaping up to be just as bad as S11 at this point, if not somehow worse. I’ll be backing Jaida, Crystal and Heidi from this point onwards but it feels like a lost cause, Gigi’s win is written on the wall.

Daniel-X
18-04-2020, 01:49 PM
girl ****

widow has been so consistent the whole time, she has done well in literally every challenge so you’re pulling that “mediocre” **** out of your ass

I mean her ball looks were horrible, her infomercial was horrible and her Snatch Game as Tina/Ike was awful. She has not been consistent.

MB.
18-04-2020, 01:57 PM
The judges in episode 2: fart jokes are NOT sophisticated humour!!!

The judges in episode 8: condragulations Heidi you are the winner of this week's challenge

(I love her with all my heart, but I think I'd have given this one to Crystal)

Saph
18-04-2020, 02:03 PM
I'm praying Crystal manages to pull these next few weeks out and snatch the win from Gigi

Moniqua
18-04-2020, 02:28 PM
I mean her ball looks were horrible, her infomercial was horrible and her Snatch Game as Tina/Ike was awful. She has not been consistent.

her ball looks weren't top-worthy but there were undoubtedly worse queens that week which should've kept ha safe.

her snatch game was middle of the pack too i guess

but if producers were pushing and favoring her the way they're doing it for Gigi, then Widow could've easily been in the top for World's Worst, Gay's Anatomy, and the Madonna Rusical.

hardly mediocre :shrug:

Daniel-X
18-04-2020, 02:48 PM
her ball looks weren't top-worthy but there were undoubtedly worse queens that week which should've kept ha safe.

her snatch game was middle of the pack too i guess

but if producers were pushing and favoring her the way they're doing it for Gigi, then Widow could've easily been in the top for World's Worst, Gay's Anatomy, and the Madonna Rusical.

hardly mediocre :shrug:

Oh I forgot about Gay’s Anatomy tbf, I actually think she should’ve won for her performance in that. Other than that though, she’s not had many wow moments for me. She’s talented but I don’t think she’s been consistent enough really to get much further.

Daniel-X
18-04-2020, 02:53 PM
I think the judging has been off pretty much every episode though this series since Ep3.

My winners would’ve been:

The ‘Ball’ Ball: Jaida
Gay’s Anatomy: Widow
Snatch Game: Sherry
Madonna: Jan
Droop: I actually did think Heidi deserved to win (but Crystal was great too and it could’ve been a double win.)

Saph
18-04-2020, 03:02 PM
My winners would’ve been:

The ‘Ball’ Ball: Jaida
Gay’s Anatomy: Widow
Snatch Game: Sherry
Madonna: Jan
Droop: I actually did think Heidi deserved to win (but Crystal was great too and it could’ve been a double win.)

agree with all this except i'd swap widow for sherry for the gays anatomy one

reece(:
18-04-2020, 05:52 PM
Gigi is SO overrated!

Smithy
18-04-2020, 07:04 PM
Chaka looked like she’d done a blunt before she got on set and had no idea what was going on :skull:

Jan shouldn’t have gone, B2 should have been Gigi & Widow, Jan has been slept on all series tho, so I’m not surprised she’s gone. I’m hoping this is where the competition tightens and it doesn’t become an obvious win for Gigi

Also not sure why Sherry wasn’t the bottom 2 when I literally have no idea what her product did?

Amy Jade
18-04-2020, 09:01 PM
girl ****

widow has been so consistent the whole time, she has done well in literally every challenge so you’re pulling that “mediocre” **** out of your ass

She's been consistently mediocre since week 1 sorry.

Amy Jade
18-04-2020, 09:04 PM
Chaka looked like she’d done a blunt before she got on set and had no idea what was going on :skull:

Jan shouldn’t have gone, B2 should have been Gigi & Widow, Jan has been slept on all series tho, so I’m not surprised she’s gone. I’m hoping this is where the competition tightens and it doesn’t become an obvious win for Gigi

Also not sure why Sherry wasn’t the bottom 2 when I literally have no idea what her product did?

I though the same about Sherry, her product was literally so bad...a slice of pie? Awful.

MB.
18-04-2020, 09:27 PM
Controverchele opinion: something specific like a slice of pie works better in these "market a product" challenges than flogging a spray did for the three(!) queens who took that route this week (unless you're Katya of course, none of these rules apply for her)

Shaun
19-04-2020, 03:40 AM
Yeah I'd rather a queen actually tried to be unique than retread the same idea funnier queens have done before them :shrug:

(I haven't seen Sherry's advert but it's obviously more "on brand" than something generic like wig glue, gogo-juice or perfume)

Jigs
19-04-2020, 11:53 AM
Gigi should've been low this week and the bottom 2 should have been Widow/Sherry. I think the judges were just over Jan acting like an over-excited kid and trying to be a master of all trades. Her commercial wasn't bad, but I think the judges were turned off by her extra, always-at-100 personality which made her come off as slightly try-hard/fake, and wanted Jan gone over queens that provide a more "authentic" experience.

I understand people thinking Gigi is overrated but if you honestly think she shouldn't have won the Ball, Snatch Game and Rusical challenges then idk what you're seeing. I'm not saying there weren't other contenders for the win that week, but even so, Gigi smashed all 3 of those challenges and her wins were not just given to her unfairly.

Barry.
19-04-2020, 01:39 PM
I'm sad Jan went home, I liked her. I agree it should of been Sherry/widow in the bottom two and Gigi low. I kind of liked Jan's ad.

Moniqua
19-04-2020, 02:58 PM
She's been consistently mediocre since week 1 sorry.

no lmao

Moniqua
19-04-2020, 02:59 PM
a cis straight woman with atrocious views on drag race? color me shocked :o

Barry.
19-04-2020, 03:34 PM
no lmao

Sorry but I agree with Amy. She'd been mediocre at best.

Moniqua
19-04-2020, 04:26 PM
ok so you're both wrong

- she slayed week 1 and rightfully got her win.
- did REALLY well in world's worst and was the best of her group, should've been high.
- was safe for the ball, there were MUCH worse looks.
- was ROBBED in gay's anatomy, slayed a role she didn't even want.
- was safe for snatch game with worse performances from Brita, Aiden and Crystal.
- most queens did great for the rusical, and she was no exception.
- flopped this week

imo her rightful track record should be:

WIN | HIGH | SAFE | WIN | SAFE | HIGH | BTM2

so once again let me amplify my statement: "mEDioCrE" my ass

not to mention she has being doing the damn thing with her runways, and along with Eureka has set the standard for big girl fashion on Drag Race.

Widow is not mediocre.

Saph
19-04-2020, 04:30 PM
Jackies been more mediocre tbh

Moniqua
19-04-2020, 04:31 PM
Jackies been more mediocre tbh

especially her runways :skull:

Saph
19-04-2020, 04:33 PM
tbh I find Gigi very mediocre too :eyes: very little diversity

Widow has at least shown she can do multiple things out of her comfort zone. Her ball runway creation was my favourite from that week, it wasnt even an outfit it was an art piece

Moniqua
19-04-2020, 04:38 PM
that part

Captain.Remy
19-04-2020, 04:54 PM
And yet she said it herself that she hasn't been competing at her best level yet, and apart from week 1 she really hasn't done that great. Her runways aren't that good, she's way too cocky for her own good, and hasn't done anything outstanding since week 1. So no she's not leading the pack, and yes she's been mediocre so far.
It doesn't take any of her talent away though, but hopefully her landing in the bottom 2 will humble her a bit and she can get her head in the game.

Shaun
19-04-2020, 05:20 PM
Widow's report card:

Episode 1: winner, A+
Episode 2: n/a
Episode 3: mediocre, C
Episode 4: I'd give her a B. I didn't like the Basketball Wives look but the other two were cute.
Episode 5: Another B. Did well in the Gays Anatomy challenge with a very weak scene partner.
Episode 6: Snatch Game... eh she didn't do as badly as Aiden/Brita/Crystal but she was pretty much on the same level as Jan and Jaida. A tentative C.
Episode 7: Did pretty well tbh, I'd give her a B+ and deserved a top placement over Crystal.
Episode 8: Comfortably the worst video, so an F.

All in all that'd average at about a B- which is a good grade :spin2: and I agree that she's been more interesting and complex than Jackie... hell, even arguably Jaida. She is confessional gold, too.

But... Drag Race fans hate confident black queens so she'll get hate whatever happens.

Moniqua
19-04-2020, 05:23 PM
Her runways aren't that good, she's way too cocky for her own good, and hasn't done anything outstanding since week 1. So no she's not leading the pack, and yes she's been mediocre so far.

:rolleyes:

y'all phaguettes really do be pulling the most obscure **** from your "i dislike this black queen but idk why, so lemme make sumn up real quick x" book

widow is.....a drag queen. you're aware of that aren't you? if you aren't able to correctly decipher a (mostly black) drag queen's confidence, and ignorantly label it as "cockiness" then this isn't the show for you.

however, drag queens can be confident in their skin AND/OR cocky if they damn well please!, as long as it's not overbearing then you really should not be complaining lmao :skull: just **** and enjoy their art

Barry.
19-04-2020, 05:24 PM
Widow's report card:

Episode 1: winner, A+
Episode 2: n/a
Episode 3: mediocre, C
Episode 4: I'd give her a B. I didn't like the Basketball Wives look but the other two were cute.
Episode 5: Another B. Did well in the Gays Anatomy challenge with a very weak scene partner.
Episode 6: Snatch Game... eh she didn't do as badly as Aiden/Brita/Crystal but she was pretty much on the same level as Jan and Jaida. A tentative C.
Episode 7: Did pretty well tbh, I'd give her a B+ and deserved a top placement over Crystal.
Episode 8: Comfortably the worst video, so an F.

All in all that'd average at about a B- which is a good grade :spin2: and I agree that she's been more interesting and complex than Jackie... hell, even arguably Jaida. She is confessional gold, too.

But... Drag Race fans hate confident black queens so she'll get hate whatever happens.

It's got nothing to with her being black. I love Heidi but not Widow. Her confessions come across as quite cocky and not nice to the others.

Gigi is killing the challenges yet gets hate?

I agree that Jackie is too mediocre too.

It's called opinions, don't have to agree like I do with you two.

reece(:
19-04-2020, 05:24 PM
Widow is my fave :love: although some of her runways have been poor

MB.
19-04-2020, 05:33 PM
Personally, I think that Widow is in it tonight, servin' Aphrodite. KC MO is where you can find her, I wouldn't try her low-key or high-key, Widow Von'Du, yes, bitch, she might be the baddest bitch alive, ain't no surprise, girls get mad when they look at these thighs as they rub together like they harmonize, and she's still servin' looks when I'm eatin' these fries.

Just my opinion though!

Moniqua
19-04-2020, 05:40 PM
Gigi is killing the challenges yet gets hate?


gigi receiving hate? i have to laugh

gigi will ALWAYS have her army of twink stans who defend her at EVERY single criticism thrown her way no matter what she does, purely because she's white and skinny.

black queens don't have that, haven't had that and never will have that, but you stay quiet?

Saph
19-04-2020, 05:52 PM
I dont really get where the "widows too cocky" thing comes from.. they all say stuff in the confessionals like "im gonna win this" etc etc

Saph
19-04-2020, 05:52 PM
and compare her to Brita.. now SHE was cocky and arrogant

Smithy
19-04-2020, 05:55 PM
Everyone from Ep 2 has gone now bar Jaida :eyes: (obv sherry doesn’t count)

Saph
19-04-2020, 06:00 PM
as far as Gigi getting hate.. the amount of support she will get will always far outweigh the 'hate'. I think the majority of us are just tired of the show pushing her narrative. They're trying to give her the Violet/Aquaria edit, but Violet was an ACTUAL fashion queen with many iconic runways, and Aquaria at least had a somewhat amount of depth to her as well as some edgy looks.

a few of my friends are casual viewers of the show and they all absolutely adore Gigi and of course they dislike Widow, Jaida, Jan.. call Crystal messy, say Heidi should've gone weeks ago etc etc

Queens like Gigi will always succeed in the real world, so its painfully boring seeing them succeed and be continuously praised on the show too

Barry.
19-04-2020, 06:02 PM
gigi receiving hate? i have to laugh

gigi will ALWAYS have her army of twink stans who defend her at EVERY single criticism thrown her way no matter what she does, purely because she's white and skinny.

black queens don't have that, haven't had that and never will have that, but you stay quiet?

Stayed quiet of what? I'm very sure Bob the drag queen and Money exchange had it so I don't see your point

Barry.
19-04-2020, 06:03 PM
and compare her to Brita.. now SHE was cocky and arrogant

I always said I disliked her and yes she was very cocky.

Captain.Remy
19-04-2020, 06:08 PM
:rolleyes:

y'all phaguettes really do be pulling the most obscure **** from your "i dislike this black queen but idk why, so lemme make sumn up real quick x" book

widow is.....a drag queen. you're aware of that aren't you? if you aren't able to correctly decipher a (mostly black) drag queen's confidence, and ignorantly label it as "cockiness" then this isn't the show for you.

however, drag queens can be confident in their skin AND/OR cocky if they damn well please!, as long as it's not overbearing then you really should not be complaining lmao :skull: just **** and enjoy their art

Don't put words in my mouth that I haven't said and even thought.
It has NOTHING to do with skin color wtf I'm the biggest supporter of any drag queen that goes into this competition knowing it's very hard, very demanding and puts your personality to that level of pressure. And specifically for black queens who are underestimated or have lesser financial means that some others.
I don't stand for the white twink queens receiving more love and recognition when they've been less performant than their black counterparts. This fandom is toxic as hell when it comes to that. I've been to drag shows since I was a teenager and I love that art in general. So don't assume anything about me just to pull out the race card anytime someone doesn't like a Drag Queen. If I said "well I don't like her black ass" or put an underserving white queen on a pedestal over a much more talented black queen just for the sake of it, then I would agree. But not here, not with me. I don't ever do that.

And yes, Widow is talking way more than she can deliver SO FAR. Her performances can always change my mind once she can out of her head which I hope happens as from next week.
There's being confident and there's being way too cocky without delivering what they promised. Again, I really don't wish her anything bad, she's still here and has a shot at winning which is fair.
Black, white, alien, blue or whatever, that doesn't change that to me. Her attitude so far doesn't cut it for me, and she's not the only one in Drag Race history.
I said what I said, and if you don't like reading what I have to say you can always ignore me and get on with the show. :shrug: I'm not forcing anything on anybody.

Barry.
19-04-2020, 06:10 PM
Don't put words in my mouth that I haven't said and even thought.
It has NOTHING to do with skin color wtf I'm the biggest supporter of any drag queen that goes into this competition knowing it's very hard, very demanding and puts your personality to that level of pressure. And specifically for black queens who are underestimated or have lesser financial means that some others.
I don't stand for the white twink queens receiving more love and recognition when they've been less performant than their black counterparts. This fandom is toxic as hell when it comes to that. I've been to drag shows since I was a teenager and I love that art in general. So don't assume anything about me just to pull our the race card anytime someone doesn't like a Drag Queen. If I said "well I don't like her black ass" or put an underserving white queen on a pedestal over a much more talented black queen just for the sake of it, then I would agree. But not here, not with me. I don't ever do that.

And yes, Widow is talking way more than she can deliver SO FAR. Her performances can always change my mind once she can out of her head which I hope happens as from next week.
There's being confident and there's being way too cocky without delivering what they promised. Again, I really don't wish her anything bad, she's still here and has a shot at winning which is fair.
Black, white, alien, blue or whatever, that doesn't change that to me. Her attitude so far doesn't cut it for me, and she's not the only one in Drag Race history.
I said what I said, and if you don't like reading what I have to say you can always ignore me and get on with the show. :shrug: I'm not forcing anything on anybody.

Qua also calls others racist I wouldnt listen to her.

Captain.Remy
19-04-2020, 06:13 PM
gigi receiving hate? i have to laugh

gigi will ALWAYS have her army of twink stans who defend her at EVERY single criticism thrown her way no matter what she does, purely because she's white and skinny.

black queens don't have that, haven't had that and never will have that, but you stay quiet?

That's one instance where it's appalling to see people "stanning" her when she does bad. I avoid Twitter and Instagram for that reason, those comments are toxic af :skull:
Just like when Monet won because to some of them "Ru needed to crown a black queen". Like wtf guys, she did better than Trinity in some parts of the competition, she really deserved the title. That fandom is something else. And the following and "verified" status on social media in regards to black queens is also something else :rolleyes:

And as for Brita, she was also a good exemple of someone talking way more than what they delivered. That and jumping at Aiden's throat every 2 minutes.

Shaun
19-04-2020, 06:40 PM
Yeah I don't endorse that user's posts, have them on ignore for a reason.

But I think Saph hit the nail on the head re Gigi perfectly when she said that "queens like her will always succeed with or without the show". I generally watch Drag Race for drag excellence, and seeing what multiple facets of the artform there are. I fall in love with personalities, yeah, and that is usually my driving force for my favourites (hence Heidi being the favourite from the beginning despite only just winning a challenge), but every season there are just some queens who have...nothing major about them. I don't consider myself a Gigi hater because I do recognise she's deserved to do well this series, but I'm frustrated that she's won 3 challenges when she wasn't a clear standout in any of them.

You get hundreds of drag queens now who have accrued a hell of a lot of fame and following even without the show because they adhere to the white, skinny, young blonde Instagram aesthetic and have very clean, concise and admittedly beautiful makeup. They are set for the next decade or so until their fans grow up and move on. What's annoying is that these queens then have an advantage when they try out for the show and deliver boring performances (see: Farrah, Ariel, Miss Fame, Plastique, Aja in S9) and even though they might not end up the fan favourite of the series, they still get way more attention than the comparatively "unpolished" queens that actually have an edge or performance skills. And, yes, usually the queens of colour too. I mean, take last season: Plastique ended up with more fans and success than A'Keria despite A'Keria actually winning two challenges and making the damn final.

I also wouldn't bring up Bob the Drag Queen and Monet X Change as examples of the contrary Barry when they both had very strong, adverse reactions to their wins. Monet's because of the "joint win" aspect, and Bob had a very big number of detractors in the S8 finale because of her confidence. I'm fairly sure Kim had the most vocal fans in that finale. While they may be now thriving off of Drag Race success, it isn't because of the fans, it's because producers recognise their talent and innate charisma.

Jigs
19-04-2020, 06:47 PM
Widow has plateaued massively and only really delivered in the Rusical last week, where she should've placed high. Sis is definitely not a front-runner, let's not kid ourselves into thinking she isn't just a sitting duck at this point.

Captain.Remy
19-04-2020, 07:04 PM
A'Keria not ending in the top two and therefore potentially winning was such a robbery! That would have been a breath of fresh air in the winners circle. Hope she can get her shot at All Stars one day!

Macie Lightfoot
19-04-2020, 07:08 PM
I thought Gigi's Snatch Game win was perfectly deserved :shrug: Sherry's shtick was.... senile old lady with trembling hands who writes each answer as unintelligible scribble? It was the same joke over and over again and not a particularly funny one.

Also her makeup is legitimately terrible and it looks like she erased the middle of her face each week.

Captain.Remy
19-04-2020, 07:19 PM
Btw, I was kind of surprised at how poorly Sherry did this week? I thought she would get it right given how she has been performing since the beginning :shrug:
But at least it gave us Heidi rising to the top. I just rewatched it and it was so funny!

Saph
19-04-2020, 07:44 PM
sherrys been like an enigma the whole series tbh

in a weird way, her being edited out makes me more interested

Shaun
20-04-2020, 03:41 AM
Just watched the episode. Sherry's was underwhelming but still funnier than Gigi/Widow/Jan's so she should've been safe.

As good as everyone's runway looks were, the theme was a little bit... obvious? Like there wasn't really room for any of them to go wrong here, so long as they had a good designer make the gown for them :shrug: idk I feel like some of the themes this season haven't really left much room for creativity (I mean... "basketball wife", "Frozen", "Michelle Visage"... it's a bit limiting? That said, "tulle", "buttons and bows" and "capes" left plenty of room so I guess it's not been all that bad).

Widow almost giving up on the runway made me sad... it's always disappointing when the "who do you think should go home?" moments just turn into a unanimous vote.

Curious to see who will excel at the politics challenge. Crystal seemed a little messy in the preview :think:

Liam-
20-04-2020, 06:51 AM
Widow’s commercial was tragically bad but her runway was phenomenal, probably my favourite of the week :love:
Gutted to see Jan go, she didn’t deserve it, but Widow definitely won the lip sync.
I am living for Crystal’s journey towards the top, the versatility week after week is amazing and can we talk about Jaida? Good god she is serving and the fact she makes pretty much everything she’s worn so far? Icon