BLM UK want the Police Defunded

[arista]

Thats Crazy talk

Its on the BLM UK Site


Debated on Ridge
SkyNewsHD



https://novaramedia.com/2020/06/13/would-defund-the-police-work-in-the-uk/

[Liberty4eva]

Thats Crazy talk

Its on the BLM UK Site


Debated on Ridge
SkyNewsHD



https://novaramedia.com/2020/06/13/would-defund-the-police-work-in-the-uk/

That's just the tip of iceberg. Expect crazier demands in the weeks and months to come. Check out the demands from the Chaz protestors.

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[Cherie]

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean

[arista]

"That's just the tip of iceberg."

Sure, Yes in the USA.

But Not in the UK

[arista]

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean


They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

[Liberty4eva]

"That's just the tip of iceberg."

Sure, Yes in the USA.

But Not in the UK

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

[Cherie]

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

Right well given people in the UK and the opposition parties have been clamouring for more funding and criticising Tory cuts of the police budget for years, its difficult to see this gathering steam here unless there is a complete about face

I dont know why some in the UK are so keen to follow the USA in everything...:shrug:

[Cherie]

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

Labour have always been critical of cuts to police funding here...the government are in the process of recruiting based on an election manifesto commitment, it would be madness for Labour to support such a move.. you can.keep it on your side of the pond :D:

[arista]

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.



The UK Crazy Left
Lost big time
in the Dec 2019 General Election



No way are they getting any UK power
we are not like the USA

[Smithy]

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?
Oh be quiet you clown, that’s not what it means at all

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean

Defunding law enforcement "means that we are reducing the ability for law enforcement to have resources that harm our communities," Cullors said in an interview with WBUR, Boston's public radio station. "It's about reinvesting those dollars into black communities, communities that have been deeply divested from."

So in the US they basically want to take guns away from officers who don’t need them (like 90% of them) and reinvest the funds elsewhere. Not too sure how it’d work in the UK because most officers don’t have guns? And their thuggery is generally just brute force

[Oliver_W]

If anything, recent events in London have shown we need more police.

[The Slim Reaper]

Right well given people in the UK and the opposition parties have been clamouring for more funding and criticising Tory cuts of the police budget for years, its difficult to see this gathering steam here unless there is a complete about face

I dont know why some in the UK are so keen to follow the USA in everything...:shrug:

I don't know all the ins and outs but it's more about finding a different way to work with communities. So for example, I know in the US, some of the allocation of funds to be taken from police will go into social workers to work with people instead of just throwing them in jail.

Defund the police doesn't mean scrap them and everyone can fight to the death, it means what we have isn't working, so lets try and find a better way.

[Samm]

What also needs to be done is more training. It’s a joke that you can basically just join the police with hardly no training I saw an advert on TV about just signing up for it? The job should require as much training and education as a doctor gets. With that amount of power in the position.

[Liam-]

The police here shouldn’t need to be defunded, the government just need to take all the money they’ve stopped giving giving to the police and invest it into areas that need it, social care, mental health, building areas up, an improved police training scheme, as people have said, people are purposely confusing things to whip up contempt for the cause, defund doesn’t mean abolish.

[Nicky91]

not defunded i agree, but more funding towards the police, and i also agree with Samm, better training for police, more discipline

[arista]

The police here shouldn’t need to be defunded, the government just need to take all the money they’ve stopped giving giving to the police and invest it into areas that need it, social care, mental health, building areas up, an improved police training scheme, as people have said, people are purposely confusing things to whip up contempt for the cause, defund doesn’t mean abolish.

Yes Our UK Police
do not need to be defunded

[Oliver_W]

They need more funds - better training, for a start.


But also better equipment, there's no reason that riots should be allowed to happen any more.

[Liam-]

Yes Our UK Police
do not need to be defunded

Only because the Tories have been decimating their budget for 10 years anyway

[Toy Soldier]

Ahhh well in the US it means take the funding that's spent on equipment, tech, guns, gas, and other weapons of war and redistribute it into things that will actually help to tackle crime at the root.

Although I personally think the best approach would be to reinvest a large part of that money into proper police training and into proper vetting of recruits.


The UK though, this feels a bit copy-cat and "we'll ask for it because the US is doing it" when the situation if far from the same. If anything, major parts of the problem in UK policing is systematic UNDER funding in the first place. Again, I'd say funnel money into better training and staffing. But there isn't an equipment budget to redirect that money from, here. Conflating the UK and US police forces is dumb.

[Toy Soldier]

Funnily enough it makes a good allegory for the entire US. If they'd take the money they spend guns, bombs, planes, drones and warships and spend it on social programmes they would solve a lot of problems over night.

[Tom4784]

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

Said the Right Wing american in this era of Trump.

You can't gaslight the left when your country has a lunatic sanctioned and protected by the republicans in office. Employ some self awareness.

[The Slim Reaper]

Funnily enough it makes a good allegory for the entire US. If they'd take the money they spend guns, bombs, planes, drones and warships and spend it on social programmes they would solve a lot of problems over night.

If only the people advocating for social programs had billions to throw at politicians, they'd get that change easily, which is another depressing anomaly.

[Oliver_W]

Said the Right Wing american in this era of Trump.

You can't gaslight the left when your country has a lunatic sanctioned and protected by the republicans in office. Employ some self awareness.

Two things can be true at once - Trump can be a joke, and lefties can make stupid demands.They're not mutually exclusive.

[Tom4784]

As for the topic, our police are operating on a shoestring budget to begin with, there's not much you can defund.

The act of defunding only really makes sense in the US where the police have the funds to access military grade equipment and generally have budgets that far exceed the force's competence. The Police Force in the US in inherently broken, there's a culture of silence and acceptance of violence and abuse from the supposed 'good apples' that allow the racists, the killers and the abusers to thrive within the system.

The problem won't ever be fixed without fundamental widespread changes to the police force. More training, more background checks, more accountability and standards. Too many officers are unfit to serve at a fundamental level and the level of violence when the police are confronted with this fact only proves it to be true.

[arista]

"As for the topic, our police are operating on a shoestring budget to begin with, there's not much you can defund. "

Correct Dezzy
But BLM UK do not care

[Tom4784]

Two things can be true at once - Trump can be a joke, and lefties can make stupid demands.They're not mutually exclusive.

I have no time for centrists that try to make out both sides are as bad as each other when it's blatantly not the case especially when it's the false brand of centrism that only exists to make one side look better with inherently flawed comparisons.

Trump holds the power and he is protected by the Senate. In the past few days alone, he has attacked LGBT rights on the anniversary of the Pulse shootings and tried to host a rally at the site of one of the worst black massacres in history on Juneteenth. Thankfully someone talked him out of the latter but it doesn't change the fact that he would have done it otherwise. Oh, and that same rally would have seen people having to sign release forms to attend in case they caught Covid since Trump is insisting on no social distancing at his rallies and tried to do so at the Republican convention when most ****ing republicans would be in the danger zone when it came to Covid.

I can keep going, if you like?

[Oliver_W]

I have no time for centrists that try to make out both sides are as bad as each other when it's blatantly not the case especially when it's the false brand of centrism that only exists to make one side look better with inherently flawed comparisons.

Trump holds the power and he is protected by the Senate. In the past few days alone, he has attacked LGBT rights on the anniversary of the Pulse shootings and tried to host a rally at the site of one of the worst black massacres in history on Juneteenth. Thankfully someone talked him out of the latter but it doesn't change the fact that he would have done it otherwise. Oh, and that same rally would have seen people having to sign release forms to attend in case they caught Covid since Trump is insisting on no social distancing at his rallies and tried to do so at the Republican convention when most ****ing republicans would be in the danger zone when it came to Covid.

I can keep going, if you like?

If you like :)

I don't particularly approve of his presidency, but that doesn't make demands to defund the police in the UK any more valid :shrug: there are better battles to pick.

[Jigs]

Defunding the police is about reassigning how the money invested is spent within the force. Rather than forking out lump sums on firearms perhaps they should focus their efforts on proper training courses and more intense processes of vetting. Did you know it takes less training to become a NYPD cop than it does to become a qualified hairdresser...

[Tom4784]

If you like :)

I don't particularly approve of his presidency, but that doesn't make demands to defund the police in the UK any more valid :shrug: there are better battles to pick.

Except that it's not an invalid demand, the US police should be defunded because it's inherently and systematically broken.

You can't change the goalposts, Oliver. Liberty was speaking about US 'leftists' being crazy, I pointed out the folly of that statement considering the US right, you tried to play both sides to paint the right in a favourable light and now you're trying to compare.... the US Right Wing and Donald Trump to the vague notion that BLM UK wants to defund the UK police based on an analytical article that talks about such things as a hypothetical scenario. It doesn't say that BLM UK wants to defund the UK police, it just poses the question of it's possible and how it could work or fail.

An article on a hypothetical discussion does not equate to 'BLM UK wants to defund the police'.

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

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That's why they shouldn't be a movement, obviously black lives do matter but there's no need to bring other politics into it.

[arista]

That's why they shouldn't be a movement, obviously black lives do matter but there's no need to bring other politics into it.


Bang On Right
Oliver.

[The Slim Reaper]

Unfortunately, it's 2020 and black lives mattering is actually a political position. Interesting that both the people saying they should quit, constantly make "interesting" posts about all kinds of people of colour.

[The Slim Reaper]

Also, it should be compulsory for anyone wanting to use Marxism as a bogeyman, to actually have read Marx.

[Liam-]

‘You can do your marches, but you have no right to have opinions on anything else in the world, god know your place!’

[Oliver_W]

Unfortunately, it's 2020 and black lives mattering is actually a political position. Interesting that both the people saying they should quit, constantly make "interesting" posts about all kinds of people of colour.
No-one disagrees with black lives mattering. No-one with a brain anyway. But plenty of people disagree with Marxism. Focusing on bettering predominately BAME neighbourhoods is politically neutral, and not something anyone could disagree with :shrug:

Also, it should be compulsory for anyone wanting to use Marxism as a bogeyman, to actually have read Marx.
I don't care either way about Marxism :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

No-one disagrees with black lives mattering. No-one with a brain anyway. But plenty of people disagree with Marxism. Focusing on bettering predominately BAME neighbourhoods is politically neutral, and not something anyone could disagree with :shrug:


I don't care either way about Marxism :laugh:

People do disagree though, and not just fringe extremists. It's not possible to keep politics out of black people and people of colour wishing to be treated equally.

Can you not see how the dangers of "blackness" have just been swapped for the dangers of marxism? It's still just a means to paint people as others and a threat.

If people actually read and understood Marx, it would reduce a lot of the silliness.

[bots]

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

[Liam-]

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

‘If minorities want to be equal, they have to be politically aligned to us’

[Livia]

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

Post of the thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

Therein lies the problem, thinking equality should have stipulations placed upon it. And again, Marxism isn't extremism, it's primarily about equality.

[Oliver_W]

People do disagree though, and not just fringe extremists. It's not possible to keep politics out of black people and people of colour wishing to be treated equally.
How? Everyone minding their own business and treating people decently is politically neutral.

[bots]

Therein lies the problem, thinking equality should have stipulations placed upon it. And again, Marxism isn't extremism, it's primarily about equality.

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

[Kazanne]

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

I agree, I was all for this but now I am pretty confused over what people really want, I feel as though the divide is worse now than it was before, :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

Equality is not extremism. Marx isn't an extremist, and BLM are not a terrorist group. It's probably past time being fearful of dragging the mouth breathers along with modernity.

[The Slim Reaper]

I agree, I was all for this but now I am pretty confused over what people really want, I feel as though the divide is worse now than it was before, :shrug:

Equality, Kaz. It's really nothing more complicated than that.

[Liam-]

If the divide is worse now it’s because white people do not like being confronted with the fact that minorities still face racism

[Crimson Dynamo]

Equality, Kaz. It's really nothing more complicated than that.

Exactly slim, Marxist movements born from YouTube videos not facts make racism worse

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the divide is worse now it’s because white people do not like being confronted with the fact that minorities still face racism

Liam speaking for all white people folks

That is some privilege

Wowser

[The Slim Reaper]

Exactly slim, Marxist movements born from YouTube videos not facts make racism worse

I agree. Can you just post the YT videos that BLM is based on though? Of course, big galaxy brain intellectuals like you and I get it, but just help the rest of the forum out by backing up any sweeping statements you may have made with the evidence.

The forum awaits.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree. Can you just post the YT videos that BLM is based on though? Of course, big galaxy brain intellectuals like you and I get it, but just help the rest of the forum out by backing up any sweeping statements you may have made with the evidence.

The forum awaits.

No as I'm on break at work but email them and ask, I'm sure they will reply

::fc:

[The Slim Reaper]

No as I'm on break at work but email them and ask, I'm sure they will reply

::fc:

It's OK. Post it when you get home. Obviously the movement is trash but it's important that we have the right evidence to show up blm for the YT charlatans they are.

Lets finish it now together, as brothers.

I can't see BLM giving me the link to a YT vid that shows them up, that's why you're so important in the #AllLivesMatter movement.

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

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I took a moment to look through that guy's tweets, he's a deluded gammon-y moron who obviously is dying to be noticed by the right wing to be their latest regurgitator of bull****.

[arista]

I took a moment to look through that guy's tweets, he's a deluded gammon-y moron who obviously is dying to be noticed by the right wing to be their latest regurgitator of bull****.


Yes a good way to find out more.


The video is shocking
in a way.
Showing how 2 Policemen
need to get away from that Mob.

[Oliver_W]

It doesn't matter who shared the video, its content speaks for itself. London seems to be sleeping at the wheel when it comes to the recent protests.

[arista]

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[arista]

BLM UK are Marching to Parliament
from Hyde Park.
Playing Drums.

Was just Live on SkyNewsHD

No trouble at this moment.

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

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:joker:

What kind of idiots wanted his statue taken down? Apart from troubling (and then common) views in his youth, he spent most of his life as an anti-racist who wanted to end discrimination.

[bots]

:joker:

What kind of idiots wanted his statue taken down? Apart from troubling (and then common) views in his youth, he spent most of his life as an anti-racist who wanted to end discrimination.

it's actually borne from the racist "clans" in Leicester. I lived there for a year, never experienced anything like it before or after

[Oliver_W]

it's actually borne from the racist "clans" in Leicester. I lived there for a year, never experienced anything like it before or after

Wait, there are racists in Leicester? I got there sometimes and it's pretty diverse, why are they even there?

[Tom4784]

1274348743849136130
That REEKS of racists trying to pass themselves of as something better and trying to co-opt the BLM cause to push their own agenda through.

Maybe I'm missing something when it comes to Gandhi but I don't think black people would have had a problem with what he stood for.

[Zizu]

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?


You see what it’s like now ... imagine if there were fewer or no police ..





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Kizzy]

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

If you want to be like us you have to think like us... two legs good eh?

May I remind you the closeness in the election for the left in 2017. It was not extremism it was all sections of the UK expressing a need for change. Change is wanted and needed in many areas.

We have a PM who's response as mayor of London to unrest was to purchase 3 water cannons... That were useless as that level of force was not at the time permitted in the UK.

That goes some way to show the disparity in approach, when the now PM wasting precious funding on oppressive gadgets to sit idle in a warehouse somewhere.

Can that not be likened to extremist political doctrine? Would that money not have been better spent in neighbourhood policing, social work or probation...as a means of preventing crime rather than heavy handed tools for social control?

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/21/19/29885414-0-image-a-2_1592762812191.jpg

[Undated handout comp photo issued by the Metropolitan Police
of persons police wish to speak to following
the violent clashes in London during
recent demonstrations. Issued Sunday June 21]

[Police issue 12 new CCTV images of people they
want to question after violence surrounding
Black Lives Matter demos in London earlier this month]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445031/Police-issue-12-new-CCTV-images-people-want-question-Black-Lives-Matter-demos.html

[Kizzy]

Well would you look at that... big brother is watching you.

Granny gets mugged and there's no way of identifying the attacker...bit of civil disobedience and hey presto crystal clear images.

[Mystic Mock]

Right well given people in the UK and the opposition parties have been clamouring for more funding and criticising Tory cuts of the police budget for years, its difficult to see this gathering steam here unless there is a complete about face

I dont know why some in the UK are so keen to follow the USA in everything...:shrug:

100% On this.

[Mystic Mock]

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

It's a bit of scary world to live in if the majority of people don't want a group of people to have equal rights because of the colour of their skin.

Imo I think that the protesters could've picked a better time to protest (not during a Pandemic) but personally I don't see what they're aiming for with the American Police as extreme at all, the American Police need proper training and not just shoot people because they're black.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/23/08/29927516-8448635-The_private_plane_crossed_the_sky_above_the_stadiu m_just_moments-a-14_1592899024914.jpg
[The private plane crossed the sky above the stadium
just moments after both Burnley and Manchester
players took a knee to show their support
for the Black Lives Matter movement]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/23/08/29928702-8448635-Burnley_manager_Sean_Dyche_and_staff_take_a_knee_i n_support_of_t-a-1_1592899023923.jpg
[Burnley manager Sean Dyche and staff take a knee
in support of the Black Lives Matter campaign before
the match between Manchester City and
Burnley FC at Etihad Stadium on June 22, 2020]

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/21/19/29885414-0-image-a-2_1592762812191.jpg

[Undated handout comp photo issued by the Metropolitan Police
of persons police wish to speak to following
the violent clashes in London during
recent demonstrations. Issued Sunday June 21]

[Police issue 12 new CCTV images of people they
want to question after violence surrounding
Black Lives Matter demos in London earlier this month]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445031/Police-issue-12-new-CCTV-images-people-want-question-Black-Lives-Matter-demos.html

My how young they all are. I wonder how well they paid attention in history at school,
?

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/23/08/29928702-8448635-Burnley_manager_Sean_Dyche_and_staff_take_a_knee_i n_support_of_t-a-1_1592899023923.jpg
[Burnley manager Sean Dyche and staff take a knee
in support of the Black Lives Matter campaign before
the match between Manchester City and
Burnley FC at Etihad Stadium on June 22, 2020]

Meanwhile overhead a large banner, towed by a small plane read WHITE LIVES MATTER

(Pics on Google if u wish)

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/23/08/29927516-8448635-The_private_plane_crossed_the_sky_above_the_stadiu m_just_moments-a-14_1592899024914.jpg
[The private plane crossed the sky above the stadium
just moments after both Burnley and Manchester
players took a knee to show their support
for the Black Lives Matter movement]


Yes LT.

A Division.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes LT.

A Division.

That old dog Parmy with his trusty Cesna

[The Slim Reaper]

the Burnley captain came out afterwards and said he was embarrassed and ashamed of the plane stunt, and asked what century these people were living in.

Same one as LT would be my guess, judging by this thread.

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/06/23/08/29927516-8448635-The_private_plane_crossed_the_sky_above_the_stadiu m_just_moments-a-14_1592899024914.jpg
[The private plane crossed the sky above the stadium
just moments after both Burnley and Manchester
players took a knee to show their support
for the Black Lives Matter movement]

someone with too much cash, horrific

[Toy Soldier]

someone with too much cash, horrificExactly, can you imagine the level of dripping privilege required to hire a plane towing a white lives matter banner :facepalm:.

[Tom4784]

Honestly, it takes an immense amount of dickheadery to see everything that's happened and feel the need to cry about 'All Lives Matter' or, the true form of that statement 'White Lives Matter'.

All lives don't matter to the people who say it. Do they think all lives matter when they blame refugees and immigrants for dying trying to get to a safe country? Do they think all lives matter when they deride the poor and make out that people on benefits are scroungers? Do they think all lives matter when tragedy happens elsewhere in the world and they shrug their shoulders and act like it doesn't matter because it's not happening to them?

'All Lives Matter' is 'White Lives Matter'.

[Zizu]

We should all protest and petition for far more police , far better funding and more powers of arrest .


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[Kizzy]

Honestly, it takes an immense amount of dickheadery to see everything that's happened and feel the need to cry about 'All Lives Matter' or, the true form of that statement 'White Lives Matter'.

All lives don't matter to the people who say it. Do they think all lives matter when they blame refugees and immigrants for dying trying to get to a safe country? Do they think all lives matter when they deride the poor and make out that people on benefits are scroungers? Do they think all lives matter when tragedy happens elsewhere in the world and they shrug their shoulders and act like it doesn't matter because it's not happening to them?

'All Lives Matter' is 'White Lives Matter'.

Yep yep and yep.
It would've been more honest to have the banner read anyone who looks like me, votes like me and and bought a motorbike at 47 matters.

[The Slim Reaper]

I agree. Can you just post the YT videos that BLM is based on though? Of course, big galaxy brain intellectuals like you and I get it, but just help the rest of the forum out by backing up any sweeping statements you may have made with the evidence.

The forum awaits.

Still waiting, LT.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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Yes Molly :clap1: the same people hurling missiles here would expect that same policeman to administer first aid if they were injured, be careful what you wish for

[arista]

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this is getting stupid.

[Oliver_W]

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this is getting stupid.

What kind of racist would associate a taxi with race?! D:

apart from those on a track

[Kizzy]

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Nope ...the people who are directly responsible for anything are the people committing the acts. What a ridiculous statement.

[Tom4784]

The taxi thing is just a token gesture, there's no black person in the world that's upset by the term 'black taxi', no one cares about half the stuff that's being done because the problem here is the police and that issue is not being sorted.

The US police is rotten at a fundamental level and needs defunding because it's overfunded and corrupt. The UK police needs more vetting of it's officers because they are not innocent of systematic racism either but they don't need defunding since the Tory's have been doing that for ten years already.

[Liam-]

These companies making these shallow gestures are only going to end up hurting the cause, nobody is asking for these things to happen, they’re doing it to try and save face and cash in off the back of the movement, all it does is falsely make protesters look whiney and perpetually offended, that’s what happens when businesses try to capitalise on things they don’t really care about.

[arista]

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