[arista]

Thats Crazy talk

Its on the BLM UK Site


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https://novaramedia.com/2020/06/13/w...ork-in-the-uk/

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats Crazy talk

Its on the BLM UK Site


Debated on Ridge
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https://novaramedia.com/2020/06/13/w...ork-in-the-uk/

That's just the tip of iceberg. Expect crazier demands in the weeks and months to come. Check out the demands from the Chaz protestors.

Youtube video

[Cherie]

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean

[arista]

"That's just the tip of iceberg."

Sure, Yes in the USA.

But Not in the UK

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by arista

"That's just the tip of iceberg."

Sure, Yes in the USA.

But Not in the UK

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

Right well given people in the UK and the opposition parties have been clamouring for more funding and criticising Tory cuts of the police budget for years, its difficult to see this gathering steam here unless there is a complete about face

I dont know why some in the UK are so keen to follow the USA in everything...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

Labour have always been critical of cuts to police funding here...the government are in the process of recruiting based on an election manifesto commitment, it would be madness for Labour to support such a move.. you can.keep it on your side of the pond :

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

The UK Crazy Left
Lost big time
in the Dec 2019 General Election



No way are they getting any UK power
we are not like the USA

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by arista

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

Oh be quiet you clown, that’s not what it means at all

Originally Posted by Cherie

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean

Defunding law enforcement "means that we are reducing the ability for law enforcement to have resources that harm our communities," Cullors said in an interview with WBUR, Boston's public radio station. "It's about reinvesting those dollars into black communities, communities that have been deeply divested from."

So in the US they basically want to take guns away from officers who don’t need them (like 90% of them) and reinvest the funds elsewhere. Not too sure how it’d work in the UK because most officers don’t have guns? And their thuggery is generally just brute force

[Oliver_W]

If anything, recent events in London have shown we need more police.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Right well given people in the UK and the opposition parties have been clamouring for more funding and criticising Tory cuts of the police budget for years, its difficult to see this gathering steam here unless there is a complete about face

I dont know why some in the UK are so keen to follow the USA in everything...

I don't know all the ins and outs but it's more about finding a different way to work with communities. So for example, I know in the US, some of the allocation of funds to be taken from police will go into social workers to work with people instead of just throwing them in jail.

Defund the police doesn't mean scrap them and everyone can fight to the death, it means what we have isn't working, so lets try and find a better way.

[Samm]

What also needs to be done is more training. It’s a joke that you can basically just join the police with hardly no training I saw an advert on TV about just signing up for it? The job should require as much training and education as a doctor gets. With that amount of power in the position.

[Liam-]

The police here shouldn’t need to be defunded, the government just need to take all the money they’ve stopped giving giving to the police and invest it into areas that need it, social care, mental health, building areas up, an improved police training scheme, as people have said, people are purposely confusing things to whip up contempt for the cause, defund doesn’t mean abolish.

[Nicky91]

not defunded i agree, but more funding towards the police, and i also agree with Samm, better training for police, more discipline

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The police here shouldn’t need to be defunded, the government just need to take all the money they’ve stopped giving giving to the police and invest it into areas that need it, social care, mental health, building areas up, an improved police training scheme, as people have said, people are purposely confusing things to whip up contempt for the cause, defund doesn’t mean abolish.

Yes Our UK Police
do not need to be defunded

[Oliver_W]

They need more funds - better training, for a start.


But also better equipment, there's no reason that riots should be allowed to happen any more.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Our UK Police
do not need to be defunded

Only because the Tories have been decimating their budget for 10 years anyway

[Toy Soldier]

Ahhh well in the US it means take the funding that's spent on equipment, tech, guns, gas, and other weapons of war and redistribute it into things that will actually help to tackle crime at the root.

Although I personally think the best approach would be to reinvest a large part of that money into proper police training and into proper vetting of recruits.


The UK though, this feels a bit copy-cat and "we'll ask for it because the US is doing it" when the situation if far from the same. If anything, major parts of the problem in UK policing is systematic UNDER funding in the first place. Again, I'd say funnel money into better training and staffing. But there isn't an equipment budget to redirect that money from, here. Conflating the UK and US police forces is dumb.

[Toy Soldier]

Funnily enough it makes a good allegory for the entire US. If they'd take the money they spend guns, bombs, planes, drones and warships and spend it on social programmes they would solve a lot of problems over night.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

Said the Right Wing american in this era of Trump.

You can't gaslight the left when your country has a lunatic sanctioned and protected by the republicans in office. Employ some self awareness.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Funnily enough it makes a good allegory for the entire US. If they'd take the money they spend guns, bombs, planes, drones and warships and spend it on social programmes they would solve a lot of problems over night.

If only the people advocating for social programs had billions to throw at politicians, they'd get that change easily, which is another depressing anomaly.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Said the Right Wing american in this era of Trump.

You can't gaslight the left when your country has a lunatic sanctioned and protected by the republicans in office. Employ some self awareness.

Two things can be true at once - Trump can be a joke, and lefties can make stupid demands.They're not mutually exclusive.

[Tom4784]

As for the topic, our police are operating on a shoestring budget to begin with, there's not much you can defund.

The act of defunding only really makes sense in the US where the police have the funds to access military grade equipment and generally have budgets that far exceed the force's competence. The Police Force in the US in inherently broken, there's a culture of silence and acceptance of violence and abuse from the supposed 'good apples' that allow the racists, the killers and the abusers to thrive within the system.

The problem won't ever be fixed without fundamental widespread changes to the police force. More training, more background checks, more accountability and standards. Too many officers are unfit to serve at a fundamental level and the level of violence when the police are confronted with this fact only proves it to be true.

[arista]

"As for the topic, our police are operating on a shoestring budget to begin with, there's not much you can defund. "

Correct Dezzy
But BLM UK do not care