Meghan Markle = Princess Diana

[Glenn.]

Remember when she randomly changed the way she spoke.

[Marsh.]

Not really....

Yes really.

[Marsh.]

yes

more panache, better dressed, more natural and able to connect with any class of person

a proper princess that the GBP can get behind

"da GBP"

[rusticgal]

Yes really.



It’s my opinion...don’t stress we are allowed to disagree :laugh:

[Marsh.]

It’s my opinion...don’t stress we are allowed to disagree :laugh:

Who said we weren't?

[rusticgal]

Again though, you don’t know her...


She can still have an opinion....I mean we can’t all be on here talking about friends and family :laugh:

[Marsh.]

She can still have an opinion....I mean we can’t all be on here talking about friends and family :laugh:

There's having an opinion and there's pretending that opinion is based on solid facts that they are a bad person, when no such knowledge is known.

Vanessa is self aware enough to know her "feeling" isn't really based on much foundation and doesn't pretend otherwise. There's a difference.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She can still have an opinion....I mean we can’t all be on here talking about friends and family :laugh:

:joker:

[jet]

All that comparison stuff is just senseless tabloid fodder. The comparing of females happened with Diana/Fergie too, Fergie got it really bad about her actual looks. She just ignored it all.
Fergie and Kate got awful stick in their first few years as Royals.

Meghan was well warned by Harry, he said so himself, and I’m sure by the Queen as well. The thing is if you are thin skinned and can’t take that rubbish you have no business taking on such a high - profile job, having the big wedding paid for, kitted out in expensive clothes, and the big house given to you.
She was a mature woman who had been around the block, not some 20 year old innocent. It's as if she was born yesterday and had never heard of tabloids and their antics before.

There was plenty of positive stuff about Meghan too, especially before the wedding. The press gushed over her and the wedding itself. There are piles of pics praising her looks and what she was wearing. There were plenty of positive articles too, which weren’t so easy to find after she started acting like an entitled diva and a preachy, high - handed one at that.
It was her own behaviour that turned a lot of people off.

[Marsh.]

senseless tabloid fodder

.

[Tom4784]

So when you go to work do you not strive to be a good worker and do whats asked of you?....does that make you subservient?....Because thats what Kate does...when she married William she not only married the man she loved but she also took on a role in the Royal family....just like Diana/Megan/Sarah...some simply did it better than others.

A marriage is not a job, a wife does not serve her husband. You have very outdated ideals.

[Tom4784]

All that comparison stuff is just senseless tabloid fodder. The comparing of females happened with Diana/Fergie too, Fergie got it really bad about her actual looks. She just ignored it all.
Fergie and Kate got awful stick in their first few years as Royals.

Meghan was well warned by Harry, he said so himself, and I’m sure by the Queen as well. The thing is if you are thin skinned and can’t take that rubbish you have no business taking on such a high - profile job, having the big wedding paid for, kitted out in expensive clothes, and the big house given to you.
She was a mature woman who had been around the block, not some 20 year old innocent. It's as if she was born yesterday and had never heard of tabloids and their antics before.

There was plenty of positive stuff about Meghan too, especially before the wedding. The press gushed over her and the wedding itself. There are piles of pics praising her looks and what she was wearing. There were plenty of positive articles too, which weren’t so easy to find after she started acting like an entitled diva and a preachy, high - handed one at that.
It was her own behaviour that turned a lot of people off.

It's senseless tabloid fodder when there's evidence of a massive double standard in the ways Kate and Meghan are treated but the same 'tabloid fodder' is fine for you when they're printing stories that slam Meghan?

https://i.giphy.com/media/bmgZpny9pKGys/giphy.gif

[Ammi]

...’Meghan Markle was hounded by British tabloids’...’Meghan Markle gets twice as much negative press than Kate, data shows’...’Vitriol against Meghan Markle and Prince Harry is bordering on bullying’....’Prince Harry attacks press over wave of abuse of his girlfriend’....’the Windsors will thicken their watery, thin blue blood and Spencer pale skin and ginger hair with some rich and exotic DNA’....



...only a very few of the tabloid headlines which Meghan has been forced to endure since she found love with Harry....there is no excusing it because that’s like saying that a victim should try to make themselves more likeable if they don’t want to be abused by a bully...

[jet]

It's senseless tabloid fodder when there's evidence of a massive double standard in the ways Kate and Meghan are treated but the same 'tabloid fodder' is fine for you when they're printing stories that slam Meghan?

https://i.giphy.com/media/bmgZpny9pKGys/giphy.gif

I pay no attention to tabloid fodder, just articles that come from reliable sources that know the royals. Sometimes shock! horror! these articles are carried by papers like the Mail, Times etc. Most people can tell the difference between senseless fodder and articles with merit. These sources also do TV interviews and take part in documentaries.

They don't 'slam' Meghan, they comment on what they have seen and have been told. They can't lie or they wouldn't get inside info and be out of a job. They like Harry and want the best for him and are worried about Meghan's behaviour and impact on him.

Do people get this yet, or do I have to keep posting this which was a reply to Toy Soldier:

We all form our opinions and impressions from what we read, hear and see, and my opinions are educated ones, FYI.
If you are interested in the Royals, as I am, you read what people who have been around them have to say. There are Royal correspondents and royal reporters who have known Harry since he was a little boy, have accompanied him on tours all over the world, have drank with him at the end of the day in bars, when he let his hair down. There are his Royal biographers like Penny Junor who have interviewed him in depth and have been allowed to follow him in his work for months on end.
Royal reporter Arthur Edwards adored Harry, their families holidayed together, and he cried on screen when Harry announced he was leaving the UK, He loved Harry like a son and Harry called him Uncle Arhur.

They know Harry. They say how caring he is, how sensitive and emotional and humble he is. How much fun he is, the pranks they played on each other. How he lived and breathed his army charities like the one for wounded veterans and how important his army pals were to him.
That’s all gone now and he has no meaningful work or friends to replace them.

I have read the official Harry biographies like I read nearly all Royal biographies. So I have my own impressions too of what he is like.
If these people who know him better than you or I; think he isn’t the happy person he was, that LA and Harry is as far from a good match as you can get and are concerned, they are worth listening to.

If William cautioned Harry about rushing into marriage with Meghan (which he did and that is what caused the rift between them) that is worth a thought as to why.
I have always liked Harry a lot, and yes, I am worried for him.
Yes, nobody know him like he knows himself, but we can still form educated impressions and have a right to express them.



Just like I listen to them regarding Harry, I'm interested in their impressions of Meghans impact and behaviour. Every time someone tries to goad me about tabloids, I'll post this again, unless its against the rules to repeat yourself. I'm sure a mod will let me know if so.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great post jet

[Amy Jade]

If you were to read the post correctly and the previous post you will have seen that I said I dont read magazines or newspapers. My opinion is based on documentries and what I READ (on news channels on line.) and hear.
Typically you pick out what you want to see to justify your embaressing response. Considering this thread was started by you its taken 15 pages for you to make an appearance. Maybe you should take your time to read what people have posted on YOUR thread and maybe show them a little bit of respect whether you agree with them or not.

I have work, I'm terribly sorry I wasn't able to respond as quickly as you would like. Bloody key workers and their lack of lockdown making you wait between your sky documentaries about meghan and harry for a reply.

Oh and if you have personal issues with me perhaps leave it out of this thread instead of baiting.

[jet]

Of course Meghan has gotten awful stick from the tabloids, just as Kate and Fergie did, and many others do. She doesn't get a special pass. It is horrible but that is the nature of the beast. Give them an opening, and they are in there like vultures.
But that doesn't mean people shouldnt make up their own minds and like or dislike her and her own actions. It doesn't make her any less of a high handed diva who has continually disrespected the Queen (along with Harry.) It doesn't mean we have to turn a blind eye to her selfishness and preachiness, all well documented.
It doesn't mean that we can't research her past actions and get an impression of her that isn't very palatable and matches her recent behaviour.
That's like saying 'the press isn't nice to her, so how dare anyone not take to her and criticise her!'

[Cherie]

She can still have an opinion....I mean we can’t all be on here talking about friends and family :laugh:

:joker:

[Amy Jade]

Jet you are missing the point. Kate got more support than anything, the Royals had to call for a stop to racial abuse towards Meghan it became such a problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jet you are missing the point. Kate got more support than anything, the Royals had to call for a stop to racial abuse towards Meghan it became such a problem.

No they did not

[jet]

Jet you are missing the point. Kate got more support than anything, the Royals had to call for a stop to racial abuse towards Meghan it became such a problem.

They didn't Amy. Harry did that off his own bat.

[Marsh.]

I have work, I'm terribly sorry I wasn't able to respond as quickly as you would like. Bloody key workers and their lack of lockdown making you wait between your sky documentaries about meghan and harry for a reply.

Oh and if you have personal issues with me perhaps leave it out of this thread instead of baiting.

Well said, Amy.

[jet]

Great post jet

Thank you. :)

[Marsh.]

It's senseless tabloid fodder when there's evidence of a massive double standard in the ways Kate and Meghan are treated but the same 'tabloid fodder' is fine for you when they're printing stories that slam Meghan?

https://i.giphy.com/media/bmgZpny9pKGys/giphy.gif

:joker::joker::joker:

[joeysteele]

Jet you are missing the point. Kate got more support than anything, the Royals had to call for a stop to racial abuse towards Meghan it became such a problem.

I more agree with you.

At the time, Prince Harry was a full working Royal.
No way would he have issued his worries re the press without the knowledge of and approval to do so from the Palace.

I agree she was hounded and put down by the press.
I also believe because of a race element too.

I just wish them both the best of luck.
Plus NO ONE on here likely knows them or the Royals personally.
Only Harry and Meghan know the pressure they felt re the press.
Not us.

[rusticgal]

[QUOTE=Dezzy;10876983]A marriage is not a job, a wife does not serve her husband. You have very outdated ideals.[/QUOTE



You do understand that the Royal family is an institution admired and respected by many...you do realise that they are not an ‘ordinary’ family....you surely realise that anyone marrying a senior Royal be it man or woman understands the commitments they have to make....
Kate knew of these commitments before she married William...William wanted to marry her but he didn’t want her to marry him without understanding the things she would have to sacrifice like for instance going to a local nightclub and getting drunk...or work at the local supermarket :shrug: instead she would be a representative of the Royal family..she knew the role and she has been exemplary at fulfilling it. That doesn’t make her subservient...it makes her commitive and respectful to the family she has joined and more so to her husband...and William who struggled in his younger years has accepted his role and he has become hugely respected by his family, the Queen and this country.
Having said that they do have some normality in that Kate does hit the high streets from time to time and been pictured shopping in Waitrose...but she’s always remained respectful and neither her or William have aired their dirty laundry in public. Respect..

[jet]

[QUOTE=Dezzy;10876983]A marriage is not a job, a wife does not serve her husband. You have very outdated ideals.[/QUOTE



You do understand that the Royal family is an institution admired and respected by many...you do realise that they are not an ‘ordinary’ family....you surely realise that anyone marrying a senior Royal be it man or woman understands the commitments they have to make....
Kate knew of these commitments before she married William...William wanted to marry her but he didn’t want her to marry him without understanding the things she would have to sacrifice like for instance going to a local nightclub and getting drunk...or work at the local supermarket :shrug: instead she would be a representative of the Royal family..she knew the role and she has been exemplary at fulfilling it. That doesn’t make her subservient...it makes her commitive and respectful to the family she has joined and more so to her husband...and William who struggled in his younger years has accepted his role and he has become hugely respected by his family, the Queen and this country.
Having said that they do have some normality in that Kate does hit the high streets from time to time and been pictured shopping in Waitrose...but she’s always remained respectful and neither her or William have aired their dirty laundry in public. Respect..

Beautifully put Rusticgal.

[Glenn.]

Wasn’t it Meghans so called father and her crazy sister that aired the dirty laundry?

[Amy Jade]

No they did not

Prince Harry did and at the time he was still a working Royal.

[rusticgal]

Wasn’t it Meghans so called father and her crazy sister that aired the dirty laundry?


William was not happy about Harry and Meghans documentary and Harry confirming their fallout.

[Glenn.]

William was not happy about Harry and Meghans documentary and Harry confirming their fallout.

So? William isn’t his boss

[rusticgal]

I have work, I'm terribly sorry I wasn't able to respond as quickly as you would like. .


Apology accepted..

[rusticgal]

So? William isn’t his boss


I didn’t say he was....I was just correcting you.

[Glenn.]

I didn’t say he was....I was just correcting you.

The documentary was after the wedding though right?

[Ammi]

...these Meghan threads always become such an impasse../...well they rarely move beyond impasse to be fair...I don’t personally think that the torrent of negative media and some public opinion that Meghan has had, is a comparison to any other Royal bride because of the racist undertones and because there was very little balance of positive tabloid leaning, she and Harry have had to endure headlines the ilk of ‘Harry’s girl almost straight outta Compton’...her heritage it seems was just one of the things that didn’t ‘didn’t tick enough boxes’ of what the media and some public felt a ‘suitable bride’ should be for ‘Our Harry’..if she were truly supported and given a chance from the beginning, if that was in earnest...then the media and public wouldn’t have been so swift to turn against her....anyways, William and Harry have obviously both had struggles through the nature of their mother’s death and the paparazzi involvement in that...they’ve both obviously had a lot of interest In their chosen wives, one most definitely much more accepted as they right stuff’ than the other....and now there is a new generation for both of them with the births of their own children...and already a racial remark toward Archie by someone, in contrast to the ooooo’s and awwww’s of any photographs of George, Charlotte or Louie...I can understand their decision to protect Archie and for Harry to maybe think....enough now....

[thesheriff443]

...these Meghan threads always become such an impasse../...well they rarely move beyond impasse to be fair...I don’t personally think that the torrent of negative media and some public opinion that Meghan has had, is a comparison to any other Royal bride because of the racist undertones and because there was very little balance of positive tabloid leaning, she and Harry have had to endure headlines the ilk of ‘Harry’s girl almost straight outta Compton’...her heritage it seems was just one of the things that didn’t ‘didn’t tick enough boxes’ of what the media and some public felt a ‘suitable bride’ should be for ‘Our Harry’..if she were truly supported and given a chance from the beginning, if that was in earnest...then the media and public wouldn’t have been so swift to turn against her....anyways, William and Harry have obviously both had struggles through the nature of their mother’s death and the paparazzi involvement in that...they’ve both obviously had a lot of interest In their chosen wives, one most definitely much more accepted as they right stuff’ than the other....and now there is a new generation for both of them with the births of their own children...and already a racial remark toward Archie by someone, in contrast to the ooooo’s and awwww’s of any photographs of George, Charlotte or Louie...I can understand their decision to protect Archie and for Harry to maybe think....enough now....

From the start she started acting like she was the face of the royal family, she had zero respect for the staff at the palace that new their job

Demanding what tiara she would ware when the queen decides who wear wot when it comes to the Crown Jewels.

She had no intention of staying after she got put in her place.

From the start she went against tradition to even give a baby photo.

Kate had the same questions asked of her background being a commoner.

Now they are free from the royals they are getting involved in having a say in the commonwealth but Harry is too thick even to understand what it’s about.

He too will get shut down by the palace for talking bollox and disrespecting his grandmother.


So many people base there opinions on there actions and not on her skin colour.

[Glenn.]

From the start she started acting like she was the face of the royal family, she had zero respect for the staff at the palace that new their job

Demanding what tiara she would ware when the queen decides who wear wot when it comes to the Crown Jewels.

She had no intention of staying after she got put in her place.

From the start she went against tradition to even give a baby photo.

Kate had the same questions asked of her background being a commoner.

Now they are free from the royals they are getting involved in having a say in the commonwealth but Harry is too thick even to understand what it’s about.

He too will get shut down by the palace for talking bollox and disrespecting his grandmother.


So many people base there opinions on there actions and not on her skin colour.

But none of this is true. It’s all hearsay from the papers. Unless you work at the palace yourself and witnessed it all of course.

[Niamh.]

jesus who would ever want to get involved in the Royal family though really? Sounds like an utterly miserable existence , I don't care how much money they have

[The Slim Reaper]

I'd love to see a quiz on the commonwealth between Harry and Sheriff.

[Marsh.]

So... Meghan was lazy and wanted to avoid her duties and reaponsibilities.... but she was also acting like the face of the Royal Family?

Those straws are being clutched so tightly.

[Marsh.]

I'd love to see a quiz on the commonwealth between Harry and Sheriff.

Nul points for Sheriff.

[LukeB]

jesus who would ever want to get involved in the Royal family though really? Sounds like an utterly miserable existence , I don't care how much money they have

Yeah, it may sound great but i don’t think it is. People treat them like aliens rather than human.. even celebrities have some privacy but the royals nope.. i remember when people were complaining about Meghan was hiding most things during her pregnancy and because they paid for the wedding they felt entitled to know everything. I rather make my own money than live off taxes. Not worth giving up a lot of stuff really

[Tom4784]

[QUOTE=Dezzy;10876983]A marriage is not a job, a wife does not serve her husband. You have very outdated ideals.[/QUOTE



You do understand that the Royal family is an institution admired and respected by many...you do realise that they are not an ‘ordinary’ family....you surely realise that anyone marrying a senior Royal be it man or woman understands the commitments they have to make....
Kate knew of these commitments before she married William...William wanted to marry her but he didn’t want her to marry him without understanding the things she would have to sacrifice like for instance going to a local nightclub and getting drunk...or work at the local supermarket :shrug: instead she would be a representative of the Royal family..she knew the role and she has been exemplary at fulfilling it. That doesn’t make her subservient...it makes her commitive and respectful to the family she has joined and more so to her husband...and William who struggled in his younger years has accepted his role and he has become hugely respected by his family, the Queen and this country.
Having said that they do have some normality in that Kate does hit the high streets from time to time and been pictured shopping in Waitrose...but she’s always remained respectful and neither her or William have aired their dirty laundry in public. Respect..

Or, you could save yourself the time of writing all that and just say you like her being subservient and quiet.

[jet]

From the start she started acting like she was the face of the royal family, she had zero respect for the staff at the palace that new their job

Demanding what tiara she would ware when the queen decides who wear wot when it comes to the Crown Jewels.

She had no intention of staying after she got put in her place.

From the start she went against tradition to even give a baby photo.

Kate had the same questions asked of her background being a commoner.

Now they are free from the royals they are getting involved in having a say in the commonwealth but Harry is too thick even to understand what it’s about.

He too will get shut down by the palace for talking bollox and disrespecting his grandmother.


So many people base there opinions on there actions and not on her skin colour.

A very important distinction to make.

The majority of the British people were enchanted by Meghan initially - she was welcomed with open arms. The excitement around the engagement and wedding, the crowds turning up to see the lovely bride; 1.9 billion tuned in to watch.

Then reports started coming out of the Palace about how she left members of her staff in tears, even one of Kate’s own staff by her rude, demanding attitude. She made Kate cry in a dispute over Charlotte’s bridesmaid attire. She threw a tantrum because she was refused a tiara promised to Eugenie for her wedding, which was delayed because Harry took precedence. Harry declared that ‘What Meghan wants, Meghan gets’.
Staff came and went. Nanny’s came and Nanny’s went - 5 or so in 9 months….
And lots more besides which with the passage of time has been verified by those respected royal reporters whose job it is to find out what is fact and what is malicious fiction.

She and Harry have repeatedly disrespected the Queen, who doesn’t need the antics of the pair of them in her 94th year.
Since bolting the UK they have gone from one blunder to another and seem intent on annoying the Royals, like rebellious teenagers. Pathetic.

But that’s all fine to all those who jump to her defense and never admit to a single wrong doing by her. Few actually take the time to look deeper to ascertain what is true and what isn’t (and in fairness there were some that were untrue or exaggerated). They didn’t need to make things up really - Meghan was the gift that kept on giving - and she still is. She can’t seem to help herself unfortunately.

[The Slim Reaper]

A very important distinction to make.

The majority of the British people were enchanted by Meghan initially - she was welcomed with open arms. The excitement around the engagement and wedding, the crowds turning up to see the lovely bride; 1.9 billion tuned in to watch.

Then reports started coming out of the Palace about how she left members of her staff in tears, even one of Kate’s own staff by her rude, demanding attitude. She made Kate cry in a dispute over Charlotte’s bridesmaid attire. She threw a tantrum because she was refused a tiara promised to Eugenie for her wedding, which was delayed because Harry took precedence. Harry declared that ‘What Meghan wants, Meghan gets’.
Staff came and went. Nanny’s came and Nanny’s went - 5 or so in 9 months….
And lots more besides which with the passage of time has been verified by those respected royal reporters whose job it is to find out what is fact and what is malicious fiction.

She and Harry have repeatedly disrespected the Queen, who doesn’t need the antics of the pair of them in her 94th year.
Since bolting the UK they have gone from one blunder to another and seem intent on annoying the Royals, like rebellious teenagers. Pathetic.

But that’s all fine to all those who jump to her defense and never admit to a single wrong doing by her. Few actually take the time to look deeper to ascertain what is true and what isn’t (and in fairness there were some that were untrue or exaggerated). They didn’t need to make things up really - Meghan was the gift that kept on giving - and she still is. She can’t seem to help herself unfortunately.

Spoiler alert - I guarantee that most royal aides and helpers will have been made to cry by their royal at some point. Normally these stories don't make it past the protection of the familia, and yet, all these are being fed into a narrative stereotype.

[jet]

Spoiler alert - I guarantee that most royal aides and helpers will have been made to cry by their royal at some point. Normally these stories don't make it past the protection of the familia, and yet, all these are being fed into a narrative stereotype.

Yep, the royal family were out to get Meghan from the get - go. Thats why they paid for a lavish wedding, a big house and expensive clothes, so they could get rid. :rolleyes:

[The Slim Reaper]

Yep, the royal family were out to get Meghan from the get - go. Thats why they paid for a lavish wedding, a big house and expensive clothes, so they could get rid. :rolleyes:

They didn't really have a choice but to pay for those things, with help from us.

This just highlights the megan craziness. You accept anything negative as true, and yet anything that's not as negative you're trying to use logic to counteract. You're almost there. Almost.

[Liam-]

The royal family didn’t pay for their wedding, we did

[jet]

They didn't really have a choice but to pay for those things, with help from us.

This just highlights the megan craziness. You accept anything negative as true, and yet anything that's not as negative you're trying to use logic to counteract. You're almost there. Almost.

I don't actually, I have already said not all the negative stories were true. I accept that the ones verified as I stated in my post above to be true. Others (maybe yourself?) insist they are all lies. That's fine by me, you believe what you believe and the same goes for me.

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't actually, I have already said not all the negative stories were true. I accept that the ones verified as I stated in my post above to be true. Others (maybe yourself?) insist they are all lies. That's fine by me, you believe what you believe and the same goes for me.

My position is that if they were all lies I wouldn't know, and if they were all true I still wouldn't know, so why not chill out, and leave them be.

What I do know for definite is that meghan has been treated differently for doing the same things as kate, and that is more than a little suspicious.

[Glenn.]

A very important distinction to make.

The majority of the British people were enchanted by Meghan initially - she was welcomed with open arms. The excitement around the engagement and wedding, the crowds turning up to see the lovely bride; 1.9 billion tuned in to watch.

Then reports started coming out of the Palace about how she left members of her staff in tears, even one of Kate’s own staff by her rude, demanding attitude. She made Kate cry in a dispute over Charlotte’s bridesmaid attire. She threw a tantrum because she was refused a tiara promised to Eugenie for her wedding, which was delayed because Harry took precedence. Harry declared that ‘What Meghan wants, Meghan gets’.
Staff came and went. Nanny’s came and Nanny’s went - 5 or so in 9 months….
And lots more besides which with the passage of time has been verified by those respected royal reporters whose job it is to find out what is fact and what is malicious fiction.

She and Harry have repeatedly disrespected the Queen, who doesn’t need the antics of the pair of them in her 94th year.
Since bolting the UK they have gone from one blunder to another and seem intent on annoying the Royals, like rebellious teenagers. Pathetic.

But that’s all fine to all those who jump to her defense and never admit to a single wrong doing by her. Few actually take the time to look deeper to ascertain what is true and what isn’t (and in fairness there were some that were untrue or exaggerated). They didn’t need to make things up really - Meghan was the gift that kept on giving - and she still is. She can’t seem to help herself unfortunately.

All this hatred over unconfirmed reports

[jet]

The royal family didn’t pay for their wedding, we did

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_of_Prince_Harry_and_Meghan_Markle

The royal family announced that they would pay for the wedding.[42] The costs for the cake, the florist, and the catering had been estimated to be £50,000, £110,000, and £286,000 respectively,[43] and the overall cost was expected to be around £32 million.[44]

[The Slim Reaper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_of_Prince_Harry_and_Meghan_Markle

The royal family announced that they would pay for the wedding.[42] The costs for the cake, the florist, and the catering had been estimated to be £50,000, £110,000, and £286,000 respectively,[43] and the overall cost was expected to be around £32 million.[44]

We paid for frogmill cottage though.

[jet]

All this hatred over unconfirmed reports

No hatred. Confirmed reports.

[Glenn.]

No hatred. Confirmed reports.

Sure jan

[jet]

We paid for frogmill cottage though.

Frogmore Cottage. We paid for the refurbishments, not for the cottage, which was given to them by the Queen and which is a large estate, not a cottage at all. :hee:

[The Slim Reaper]

Frogmore Cottage. We paid for the refurbishments, not for the cottage, which was given to them by the Queen and which is a large estate, not a cottage at all. :hee:

Cost around the same as the wedding. Of course, the royal family bought all the land and property they own.

Charles makes over £1 million a year in cornwall, from properties where people die without leaving wills or have family.

[Niamh.]

So people are happy to pay for the Royal family as long as they continue to behave like they have sticks up their arses and they don't speak out of turn and dress appropriately or what? Such outdated weird **** :laugh:

[Glenn.]

So people are happy to pay for the Royal family as long as they continue to behave like they have sticks up their arses and they don't speak out of turn and dress appropriately or what? Such outdated weird **** :laugh:

It’s hilarious

[rusticgal]

[QUOTE=rusticgal;10877069]

Or, you could save yourself the time of writing all that and just say you like her being subservient and quiet.


Perhaps you should read it all because you have clearly misunderstood or simply not able to understand plain english.
But if you want to keep twisting what i say into what you want to percieve it as...carry on.

[jet]

My position is that if they were all lies I wouldn't know, and if they were all true I still wouldn't know, so why not chill out, and leave them be.

What I do know for definite is that meghan has been treated differently for doing the same things as kate, and that is more than a little suspicious.

I am chilled out thanks. :hee:
As for Meghan being treated differently for doing the same as Kate, true enough (Kate and her family didn't exactly get it easy either). The same thing happened with Diana vs Fergie. It's mindless 'filler' tabloid nonsense.

It doesn't mean Meghan's character is beyond reproach and her diva behaviour and high - handedness as related by long - time insiders (whose reports over the years have a habit of turning out as having been accurate) is all a pack of lies, does it?

[rusticgal]

They didn't really have a choice but to pay for those things, with help from us.

This just highlights the megan craziness. You accept anything negative as true, and yet anything that's not as negative you're trying to use logic to counteract. You're almost there. Almost.


I think that works both ways....we cannot critisise because we dont know her...but they can defend someone they dont know...:shrug:...

[The Slim Reaper]

I am chilled out thanks. :hee:
As for Meghan being treated differently for doing the same as Kate, true enough (Kate and her family didn't exactly get it easy either). The same thing happened with Diana vs Fergie. It's mindless 'filler' tabloid nonsense.

It doesn't mean Meghan's character is beyond reproach and her diva behaviour and high - handedness as related by long - time insiders (whose reports over the years have a habit of turning out as having been accurate) is all a pack of lies, does it?

Wait, you just admitted that Meghan and Kate have been treated differently. Don't you think this warrants some thought?

Meghan isn't a saint because no one is. Kate isn't, Diana wasn't, the queen isn't, Charles isn't, William isn't.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think that works both ways....we cannot critisise because we dont know her...but they can defend someone they dont know...:shrug:...

The whole meghan debate didn't come about because folks were mindlessly just defending her for no reason. It started because of the unequal and unfair treatment she received.

[Ammi]

Wait, you just admitted that Meghan and Kate have been treated differently. Don't you think this warrants some thought?

Meghan isn't a saint because no one is. Kate isn't, Diana wasn't, the queen isn't, Charles isn't, William isn't.

...interestingly though, that William and Harry, for their complete differences..?...are not compared in the way that Kate and Meghan have always been, males rarely are ..it’s more a specific female thing ...Meghan doesn’t offer the ‘traditional wife’ and the media said...NO...they couldn’t be praised for their differences and what each would offer their roles, they must be compared...

[rusticgal]

This just highlights the megan craziness. You accept anything negative as true, and yet anything that's not as negative you're trying to use logic to counteract. You're almost there. Almost.


You accuse Jet of accepting anything negative as true.....but its ok for others to take EVERYTHING negative as false. Thats why I said it can work both ways.

[jet]

Wait, you just admitted that Meghan and Kate have been treated differently. Don't you think this warrants some thought?

Meghan isn't a saint because no one is. Kate isn't, Diana wasn't, the queen isn't, Charles isn't, William isn't.

No, I don't think it warrants any thought, they did the same, as I said, with Diana vs Fergie.

No - one is perfect but this thread is about Meghan. The Queen, Kate and William are reportedly adored by their staff. Apparently Charles has a foul temper and throws things at the walls and yells at his staff, then afterwards feels bad and apologises by formal letter! :hehe:

[Glenn.]

‘Reportedly’

[Niamh.]

No, I don't think it warrants any thought, they did the same, as I said, with Diana vs Fergie.

No - one is perfect but this thread is about Meghan. The Queen, Kate and William are reportedly adored by their staff. Apparently Charles has a foul temper and throws things at the walls and yells at his staff, then afterwards feels bad and apologises by formal letter! :hehe:

If he were a "normal" person he'd end up in court for that

[jet]

If he were a "normal" person he'd end up in court for that

He doesn't lose staff though, they are said to be 'devoted'. :laugh2:

[Cherie]

:joker:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8497895/PIERS-MORGAN-Confronting-inequality-uncomfortable-watching-Harry-lecturing-world.html

[jet]

:joker:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8497895/PIERS-MORGAN-Confronting-inequality-uncomfortable-watching-Harry-lecturing-world.html

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8497895/PIERS-MORGAN-Confronting-inequality-uncomfortable-watching-Harry-lecturing-world.html

:joker:

[Glenn.]

Jealous piers showing the world how much of a massive turd he is again

[jet]

Jealous piers showing the world how much of a massive turd he is again

He's an amusing writer though, and he kinda hits the nail on the head. :laugh:

[rusticgal]

:joker:


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8497895/PIERS-MORGAN-Confronting-inequality-uncomfortable-watching-Harry-lecturing-world.html



:joker:

[Glenn.]

He's an amusing writer though, and he kinda hits the nail on the head. :laugh:

As the article is full of derogatory insulting language I can see why you think that

[Niamh.]

He doesn't lose staff though, they are said to be 'devoted'. :laugh2:Mmhhmm who doesn't love to be shouted at and have a person throw things around in anger tbf

[jet]

Mmhhmm who doesn't love to be shouted at and have a person throw things around in anger tbf

I know. Maybe being a masochist is an employment requirement. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's an amusing writer though, and he kinda hits the nail on the head. :laugh:

he always does:joker:

[jet]

As the article is full of derogatory insulting language I can see why you think that

You are way over the top there Glenn.

[Cherie]

He's an amusing writer though, and he kinda hits the nail on the head. :laugh:

He can be a right plonker, but he has a great turn of phrase, that article made me chuckle

[Glenn.]

his wife Meghan stared intently at him, boring her eyes into his skull as if she was virtually transporting her own pre-programmed thought processes into his brain.

No wonder the haters are so full of assumptions when they’re lapping this crap up lmao

[Crimson Dynamo]

No wonder the haters are so full of assumptions when they’re lapping this crap up lmao

Glen log off ffs all you are doing is insulting people

[Glenn.]

Clearly hit a nerve there then

[Tom4784]

If Meghan did everything 'right' in the eyes of people who have forgotten that it's 2020 and not 1820, the media would accuse her of being a pretender, or trying to upstage Kate etc. If Kate and Will stepped away from their roles as Harry and Meg had, Kate would be cheered for putting her family first, if Kate did all the stuff that Meghan did, she would be championed as someone who was modernising the role she had been given.

Meghan's treatment is proof that people of colour have to work twice as hard for just a fraction of what white people can get with ease. I have no doubt that the vitriol aimed at Meghan is based almost purely in race.

[Cherie]

No wonder the haters are so full of assumptions when they’re lapping this crap up lmao

I believe that was tongue in cheek Glenn, most readers realised :hee:

[Glenn.]

I believe that was tongue in cheek Glenn, most readers realised :hee:

You’d think. I’m sure I’ve seen similar being said on here though

[Cherie]

You’d think. I’m sure I’ve seen similar being said on here though

Quote it

[joeysteele]

If Meghan did everything 'right' in the eyes of people who have forgotten that it's 2020 and not 1820, the media would accuse her of being a pretender, or trying to upstage Kate etc. If Kate and Will stepped away from their roles as Harry and Will had, Kate would be cheered for putting her family first, if Kate did all the stuff that Meghan did, she would be championed as someone who was modernising the role she had been given.

Meghan's treatment is proof that people of colour have to work twice as hard for just a fraction of what white people can get with ease. I have no doubt that the vitriol aimed at Meghan is based almost purely in race.

Really thought provoking post Dezzy.

Quite an eye opener because it's obviously painting the scenario factually.

[jet]

If Meghan did everything 'right' in the eyes of people who have forgotten that it's 2020 and not 1820, the media would accuse her of being a pretender, or trying to upstage Kate etc. If Kate and Will stepped away from their roles as Harry and Meg had, Kate would be cheered for putting her family first, if Kate did all the stuff that Meghan did, she would be championed as someone who was modernising the role she had been given.

Meghan's treatment is proof that people of colour have to work twice as hard for just a fraction of what white people can get with ease. I have no doubt that the vitriol aimed at Meghan is based almost purely in race.

The majority of people judge others by their character and their actions, not their colour. It seems thats a hard concept for you to grasp.

[Marsh.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_of_Prince_Harry_and_Meghan_Markle

The royal family announced that they would pay for the wedding.[42] The costs for the cake, the florist, and the catering had been estimated to be £50,000, £110,000, and £286,000 respectively,[43] and the overall cost was expected to be around £32 million.[44]

From tabloids... to wikipedia.... :joker:

[Marsh.]

The majority of people judge others by their character

Or fourth person gossip about someone's possible character.

[rusticgal]

The majority of people judge others by their character and their actions, not their colour. It seems thats a hard concept for you to grasp.


If you dislike a person of colour you are a racist...:shrug: How sad.

[Marsh.]

If Meghan did everything 'right' in the eyes of people who have forgotten that it's 2020 and not 1820, the media would accuse her of being a pretender, or trying to upstage Kate etc. If Kate and Will stepped away from their roles as Harry and Meg had, Kate would be cheered for putting her family first, if Kate did all the stuff that Meghan did, she would be championed as someone who was modernising the role she had been given.

Meghan's treatment is proof that people of colour have to work twice as hard for just a fraction of what white people can get with ease. I have no doubt that the vitriol aimed at Meghan is based almost purely in race.

It's absolutely laughable.

Kate only has to breathe to be lauded as perfect.

Anything she does that is against usual protocol is glossed up as "modernising" the Royal family and romanticised to the hilt. Anything Meghan does is "disobedient" and "upsetting" everyone else.

[Marsh.]

If you dislike a person of colour you are a racist...:shrug: How sad.

If you're dislike is based on nothing more than race based mudslinging it is, yes.

A dislike based on the opinion of a reporter whose job is to sensationalise, fabricate and bait clicks.

[Glenn.]

Quote it

There you go


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10750861&postcount=57


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10750873&postcount=65

[rusticgal]

If you're dislike is based on nothing more than race based mudslinging it is, yes.

A dislike based on the opinion of a reporter whose job is to sensationalise, fabricate and bait clicks.



Nobody on here has based their opinion on the colour of her skin...but the same old always put it down to that.
Everything we know about the Royal family comes via documentaries, Reporters and what we see with our own eyes. Not ALL reporters sensationalise and fabricate stories....some of us educate ourselves from other material other than the daily rags but your repetitive line of defence is that we base our opinions on what the papers say....

[Marsh.]

Nobody on here has based their opinion on the colour of her skin...but the same old always put it down to that.
Everything we know about the Royal family comes via documentaries, Reporters and what we see with our own eyes. Not ALL reporters sensationalise and fabricate stories....some of us educate ourselves from other material other than the daily rags but your repetitive line of defence is that we base our opinions on what the papers say....

Well, when pushed all Jet ever provides is Daily Mail links. So...

Also nobody said you have based anything on the colour of her skin, you've based it on the malicious gossip spread by a racist media who bank on gullible people like you.

[jet]

If you dislike a person of colour you are a racist...:shrug: How sad.

It's a recurring theme on this forum. Thank goodness I don't know anyone personally - family, friends or colleagues who have that narrow - minded mindset.

[Marsh.]

It's a recurring theme on this forum. Thank goodness I don't know anyone personally - family, friends or colleagues who have that narrow - minded mindset.

More irony.

[jet]

There you go


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10750861&postcount=57


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10750873&postcount=65

Is that it? Some opinions you don't agree with?

[Marsh.]

Is that it? Some opinions you don't agree with?

Cherie asked for examples of forum members accusing Meghan of having Harry under some kind of control. That's what he provided.

You seem to always ignore the context of comments.

[jet]

Nobody on here has based their opinion on the colour of her skin...but the same old always put it down to that.
Everything we know about the Royal family comes via documentaries, Reporters and what we see with our own eyes. Not ALL reporters sensationalise and fabricate stories....some of us educate ourselves from other material other than the daily rags but your repetitive line of defence is that we base our opinions on what the papers say....

Don't waste your time Rusticgal. Marsh basically parrots the same thing in every post. Its a bore.

[Marsh.]

Don't waste your time Rustigal. Marsh basically parrots the same thing in every post. Its a bore.

Oh don't be like that Jet, post another link from wikipedia or Daily Mail. Go on.

[jet]

The whole meghan debate didn't come about because folks were mindlessly just defending her for no reason. It started because of the unequal and unfair treatment she received.

Criticism isn’t unfair if what is being criticised is true.
It is her own behaviour that is often at fault… and she is just so arrogant and preachy!
Lecturing us about carbon footprints while swanning off on private jets.
Lecturing us about the wrongs of the Commonwealth (HUH?) that Britain needs to acknowledge and look at ‘even if that makes us uncomfortable’.

The irony is she got it so embarrassingly wrong about the Commonwealth and didn’t even know what she was talking about….and neither did Harry, and they are president and vice president of the trust!
Lecturing about inequality and privilege while sitting in the lap of luxury in an 18 million mansion.
So arrogant is she that she doesn’t see the irony.

So arrogant is she that she thinks she can come to a new country, skulk off and then lecture their citizens from afar on where they have gone wrong and tell them how to do better. Her arrogance is astounding. Then she cries victimisation when she gets criticised.

[Glenn.]

Is that it? Some opinions you don't agree with?

What on earth are you talking about?

[Glenn.]

Criticism isn’t unfair if what is being criticised is true.
It is her own behaviour that is often at fault… and she is just so arrogant and preachy!
Lecturing us about carbon footprints while swanning off on private jets.
Lecturing us about the wrongs of the Commonwealth (HUH?) that Britain needs to acknowledge and look at ‘even if that makes us uncomfortable’.

The irony is she got it so embarrassingly wrong about the Commonwealth and didn’t even know what she was talking about….and neither did Harry, and they are president and vice president of the trust!
Lecturing about inequality and privilege while sitting in the lap of luxury in an 18 million mansion.
So arrogant is she that she doesn’t see the irony.

So arrogant is she that she thinks she can come to a new country, skulk off and then lecture their citizens from afar on where they have gone wrong and tell them how to do better. Her arrogance is astounding. Then she cries victimisation when she gets criticised.

Again, you’re so blinded by your own irrational hatred you fail to understand what is being said to you and once again go off on another tirade of irrational nonsense.

[Tom4784]

The majority of people judge others by their character and their actions, not their colour. It seems thats a hard concept for you to grasp.

Except, like Ammi proved, the way Meghan is treated is inherently different to Kate. Kate, a white woman could hold her pregnant belly and be praised while Meghan, a mixed race woman was accused of attention seeking for doing the same thing.

There's so much irrational hatred of Meghan and to pretend that it isn't mostly because of racism is just plain deluded.

Also, you're not judging her on her actions, you're judging her on carefully picked articles that appeal to your confirmation bias, you only listen to gossip that suits your idea of who she is and you disregard anything that doesn't fit that narrative. That's unhealthy as **** because you aren't living in the real world when you do that, you're living in a carefully edited version of reality that you desperately wish to be true.

You want Meghan to be this big bad supervillain you can hate when she's just a person living her life. I think you've honestly lost sight of that, you've forgotten she's an actual person and not just a character in the stories you like to read about her.

The level of hatred you have for her, the obsession, it's not normal.

Also, you didn't manage to refute what I said, you just responded defensively against it.

[thesheriff443]

Except, like Ammi proved, the way Meghan is treated is inherently different to Kate. Kate, a white woman could hold her pregnant belly and be praised while Meghan, a mixed race woman was accused of attention seeking for doing the same thing.

There's so much irrational hatred of Meghan and to pretend that it isn't mostly because of racism is just plain deluded.

Also, you're not judging her on her actions, you're judging her on carefully picked articles that appeal to your confirmation bias, you only listen to gossip that suits your idea of who she is and you disregard anything that doesn't fit that narrative. That's unhealthy as **** because you aren't living in the real world when you do that, you're living in a carefully edited version of reality that you desperately wish to be true.

You want Meghan to be this big bad supervillain you can hate when she's just a person living her life. I think you've honestly lost sight of that, you've forgotten she's an actual person and not just a character in the stories you like to read about her.

The level of hatred you have for her, the obsession, it's not normal.

Also, you didn't manage to refute what I said, you just responded defensively against it.

How can admin and mods continue to allow this personal abuse towards one member is disgusting.

Using the same words over and over that I addressed In banning the smilie thread.

Obsessed

Hatred

There will be legal implications if this continues and this is not a threat but a promise

James has already admitted to reading private messages which is an invasion of privacy and and is illegal due to data protection laws.

[Beso]

Sort this **** out mods..its the same people hurling disgusting accusations at fellow members all the time...admittedly they are down playing the insults on here and keeping the juicier and more abhorrent name calling for other sites but it's still bad.

[Cherie]

There you go


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10750861&postcount=57


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10750873&postcount=65

Lol not even close

[bots]

This thread is a joke. There isn't a single post where any member has shown an "unnatural hate" for Meghan. Some people don't like her .... shock horror. It's not a crime

[UserSince2005]

people need to be banned to make this a better place.

[Nicky91]

Sort this **** out mods..its the same people hurling disgusting accusations at fellow members all the time...admittedly they are down playing the insults on here and keeping the juicier and more abhorrent name calling for other sites but it's still bad.

people need to be banned to make this a better place.

imagine wanting to kill off this forum even more :sad:

[UserSince2005]

imagine wanting to kill off this forum even more :sad:

babes im back now after my unjust absence, everything is going to be okay :hug:

[Beso]

imagine wanting to kill off this forum even more :sad:

Hush now, your pms ain't exactly designed to bring us all together now are they.

[Cherie]

The only irrational and obsessive behaviour on this thread is the support of Meghan and Harry from left leaning supporters

How dare anyone poke fun at the Royals

where were they when we all laughed at Pippa's bottom upstaging Kate at her wedding, thank heavens that didn't happen to Megs :joker:

[joeysteele]

The opening post of this thread roughly stated a fact.
The press had treated Meghan as inappropriately as they did Princess Diana.

That's pretty much undeniable when you compare in similar scenarios, the comparisons of Kate's headlines as opposed to Meghan's.

There's good contributions all through on this thread and along with others, Ammi and Dezzy have highlighted the strongest points in as fair and reasoned way as possible.

Even in the midst of less kindly made points towards Meghan.

I never understand such intense dislike for someone none on here have likely met.


However, I agree with all who have contributed who say Meghan has had the race issue used against her in the media reporting.
She has had a disproportionate unfair amount of negative and unjustified criticism too.

The Royals are people too, performing and living their lives under almost constant scrutiny of a negative press, a press that thrives on creating unnecessary division as to the Royals, also too on most other issues in the Country too.

I only see things from the actual press, when they're posted on here.
I wouldn't soil my hands with a paper, they long ago stopped being ' news ' papers.

Their distortion and lies and side taking whether fairly or unfairly, now really nauseous, and never in my view to be trusted.

The Royal lives are as mixed up as any other lives possibly mixed up as to the rest of the population.
There are characters, those seeming to do things by the book and those rebellious too.

It's not reasons to develop personal intense possible dislike or full negativity to an individual.

People are blaming Meghan for controlling Harry and changing him it seems from her own manipulative ways.

Harry has chosen Meghan..
It's clear to all surely, he is besotted with her, the pride when he showed his son to the public clear too.

Their marriage is their affair.
Harry, I doubt could be controlled any way he didn't want to.
I think he still is troubled at the tragic loss of his Mother.
He has jumped in to protect his chosen wife and child from what HE likely sees as too much pressure from press intrusion.
Along with cruel unnecessary negativity too, to his now chosen wife and Mother of his child.

I again say.
Good luck to them all in their lives.
I hope they find more understanding and peace from the negativity, than has been evident in the gutter press of this Country.

[joeysteele]

The only irrational and obsessive behaviour on this thread is the support of Meghan and Harry from left leaning supporters

How dare anyone poke fun at the Royals

where were they when we all laughed at Pippa's bottom upstaging Kate at her wedding, thank heavens that didn't happen to Megs :joker:

Left leaning supporters???

Do the left ever do anything right for you may I politely ask.

If you think only those politically on the left line Meghan, you are way out.

Furthermore.
I'm on the left.
I consider Kate to be one of the best additions to the Royal family ever.
So there's someone from the left, who rates Kate.

I actually like both, as Ammi does too.
They are different with their own styles.

Frankly, I find this constant putting down of those on the left pathetic, I've had that for years on here in really personal insulting ways too.

Where does the branding in relation to the Royals even need to be an issue.
Just asking, very politely.
Treading very carefully on what I say.

Left and right like the Royals.
Left and right don't too.
Those with no leanings left or right, like and don't like the Royals too.

So why just single out ''those on the left'.

[Niamh.]

I'm closing this thread because people don't seem capable of discussing this topic without getting personal with each other