Questions for Conservative voters

[Smithy]

I’m curious as to how you feel the government which you voted in have handled the corona situation and a couple of other things so...

1. How do you think the government has handled the crisis considering we have the worst # of deaths in Europe?

2. How do you feel about Dominic Cummings ignoring government guidelines, blatantly breaking the rules and Boris Johnson refusing to condemn him or remove him from his role?

3. How do you feel about Stanley Johnson breaking government guidelines to fly to Greece and Boris again refusing to condemn it?

4. Do you believe it is do as we say and not as we do?

:think::think::think:

[The Slim Reaper]

Also, Boris said no-deal was a good option earlier today, yet they were stocking body bags and planning for shortages last year because of no deal. So is this really what they wanted?

[Withano]

They wouldn’t have heard about this, the Daily Mail and similar have told very different stories.

[Cherie]

Not sure there are many Tory voters on TiBB :think:

[Smithy]

Not sure there are many Tory voters on TiBB :think:

Could have fooled me :joker:

[Cherie]

Could have fooled me :joker:

I would say two or three that I can think of...most are left or centre :hee:

[Smithy]

I would say two or three that I can think of...most are left or centre :hee:

I can think of a few but I don’t want to name names and shame people like that :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is this a quiz for MTVN?

Doesn't neem do these?

[MTVN]

Is this a quiz for MTVN?

Doesn't neem do these?

:joker:

Tbh I think I have given my opinion on all of these in lots of posts across the forum. Maybe not Stanley Johnson, although I don't think people are responsible for the actions of their parents

[Livia]

As if.

[Smithy]

:joker:

Tbh I think I have given my opinion on all of these in lots of posts across the forum. Maybe not Stanley Johnson, although I don't think people are responsible for the actions of their parents

But the fact Boris once again refuses to condemn him for blatantly breaking guidelines without giving a ****?

[MTVN]

Well I don't really see the need for him to be condemning his father and play out family divisions for people's gratification. Stanley is not in government and has no position of responsibility so Boris is not accountable for him like he was with Cummings (which I get the anger over)

[arista]

Could have fooled me :joker:


Yes on Covid-19
Johnson PM has Failed.

Cummings
got Brexit Done - so he can carry on.

[Ammi]

...I have to agree with Matt, Boris had a choice with Dominic Cummings to ask for his resignation but he didn’t...I think it would be awful for him to publicly condemn his own father but also, Stanley has never been part of forming any restrictions and rules and then not adhering to them himself...

[arista]

...I have to agree with Matt, Boris had a choice with Dominic Cummings to ask for his resignation but he didn’t...I think it would be awful for him to publicly condemn his own father but also, Stanley has never been part of forming any restrictions and rules and then not adhering to them himself...


Yes he Felt
safer with Dom there.


OK Ammi.

[Beso]

They have done a lot better than certain members of the british public that's for dam sure.

[Smithy]

...I have to agree with Matt, Boris had a choice with Dominic Cummings to ask for his resignation but he didn’t...I think it would be awful for him to publicly condemn his own father but also, Stanley has never been part of forming any restrictions and rules and then not adhering to them himself...

He was an MEP, surely that has to count for something

[Liam-]

Okay then, Stanley isn’t part of the government, neither are we, the public, yet we’re held to a higher standard that those close to the people in charge time and time again, there needs to be some sort of visible line towed, either we all have to stick by the rules or none of us do

[Kizzy]

Being a tory is a dirty secret, youre more likely to have people admitting they go dogging than vote conservative :joker:

[joeysteele]

I wasn't going to post in here as although I've been a Conservative voter in my youth.
I am unlikely to ever be so again due to the extreme loss of compassion agenda of the Party since particularly 2011, to the genuinely sick and disabled.
Something very important to me.

However, I was looking forward to reading any defence Tory voters had, or even their own misgivings as to particularly the handling of this pandemic.
The only thing outside of all out war any government has had to deal with.
So really the main and vital test of any PM and government.

Alas, just about all of the Tory voters on here have stayed silent.
Apart from MTVN and arista.
Full marks from me to arista, who recognises the shambles made of this pandemic by his own government.

I was once probed on here, I welcomed that happily, on direct and strong questions on my strong support, although not without criticism, for Labour.
I think I answered all questions put to me.
So it's surprising CON supporters have just avoided this thread.

Really this government got elected to deliver whatever Brexit it either could or wanted to.
That it has and will do.
No secret, their Brexit won't be what I feel is right but they got the mandate to do so under our outdated electoral system with less than 44% of the votes cast.

This pandemic however.
Has been a disaster of the highest proportions.

Firstly though, I commend Rishi Sunak all through so far, I say so far as I believe he's now going to be reigned in to much harder line policy soon.

For me the debacle of the protection equipment..the blatant deceit and politically lying on QT and press conferences by Hancock, a disgrace.

A lack of protection equipment, assisting the deaths of patients, Doctors, Nurses, other NHS staff and Care workers across the Country.

The blatant deceit and lies on testing figures of people and the way it's been presented.

The procrastination, reactive catching up to events of the pandemic, showing utter incompetence of the highest level.

Lastly for me though.
The scandal that is the in effect sacrificing of loved ones elderly family resident in so called Care homes.
A lack of protection equipment and being sent back to homes with this virus.
Not being tested before discharge from Hospitals.

It was the duty of any government in power to ensure the full safety of all.
It has failed, deceived and even politically lied about the issue.
The PM and Health secretary among the leading figures doing so too.

Hindsight is no excuse, we had forewarning of all that was coming.
In late January and February.
This government failed full stop to prepare and have presided over thousands of unnecessary deaths of people's loved ones, friends and neighbours.

That is and should be a National scandal and, for me, is and should be unforgivable.

This I'd be saying even had this been my Party in government.
On this pandemic particularly, the biggest test of right, competence and compassion for any government.
The UK has been dangerously and extremely badly served by this government all through.
In my view.

[caprimint]

Is this a quiz for MTVN?

Doesn't neem do these?
:joker:

[Smithy]

I wasn't going to post in here as although I've been a Conservative voter in my youth.
I am unlikely to ever be so again due to the extreme loss of compassion agenda of the Party since particularly 2011, to the genuinely sick and disabled.
Something very important to me.

However, I was looking forward to reading any defence Tory voters had, or even their own misgivings as to particularly the handling of this pandemic.
The only thing outside of all out war any government has had to deal with.
So really the main and vital test of any PM and government.

Alas, just about all of the Tory voters on here have stayed silent.
Apart from MTVN and arista.
Full marks from me to arista, who recognises the shambles made of this pandemic by his own government.

I was once probed on here, I welcomed that happily, on direct and strong questions on my strong, although not without criticism, for Labour.
I think I answered all questions put to me.
So it's surprising CON supporters have just avoided this thread.

Really this government got elected to deliver whatever Brexit it either could or wanted to.
That it has and will do.
No secret, their Brexit won't be what I feel is right but they got the mandate to do so under our outdated electoral system with less than 44% of the votes cast.

This pandemic however.
Has been a disaster of the highest proportions.

Firstly though, I commend Rishi Sunak all through so far, I say so far as I believe he's now going to be reigned in to much harder line policy soon.

For me the debacle of the protection equipment..the blatant deceit and politically lying on QT and press conferences by Hancock, a disgrace.

A lack of protection equipment, assisting the deaths of patients, Doctors, Nurses, other NHS staff and Care workers across the Country.

The blatant deceit and lies on testing figures of people and the way it's been presented.

The procrastination, reactive catching up to events of the pandemic, showing utter incompetence of the highest level.

Lastly for me though.
The scandal that is the in effect sacrificing of loved ones elderly family resident in so called Care homes.
A lack of protection equipment and being sent back to homes with this virus.
Not being tested before discharge from Hospitals.

It was the duty of any government in power to ensure the full safety of all.
It has failed, deceived and even politically lied about the issue.
The PM and Health secretary among the leading figures doing so too.

Hindsight is no excuse, we had forewarning of all that was coming.
In late January and February.
This government failed full stop to prepare and have presided over thousands of unnecessary deaths of people's loved ones, friends and neighbours.

That is and should be a National scandal and, for me, is and should be unforgivable.

This I'd be saying even had this been my Party in government.
On this pandemic particularly, the biggest test of right, competence and compassion for any government.
The UK has been dangerously and extremely badly served by this government all through.
In my view.

Thank you Joey :clap1: I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said; and I’m also surprised that the conservative voters have avoided the questions, I can only imagine it’s because they know their government has failed tremendously or they don’t want to expose themselves as Tory voters :shrug:

[Kazanne]

I vote Tory now,(no dirty secret here) I would at the moment vote Tory again ,they haven't got things perfect but no one ever does ,I refuse now to debate on it as really its just an excuse for some to vent and have a go , no one is really interested in why some vote Tory, so count me out ,but Yes I am a proud Tory supporter.

[Kazanne]

Thank you Joey :clap1: I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said; and I’m also surprised that the conservative voters have avoided the questions, I can only imagine it’s because they know their government has failed tremendously or they don’t want to expose themselves as Tory voters :shrug:

Really ? lol , no one is really interested why are they ?

[Kazanne]

Being a tory is a dirty secret, youre more likely to have people admitting they go dogging than vote conservative :joker:

Why should people respond when we get comments like these,this is why I dont bother anymore ,no one wants to know ,they just want to vent their own hate for the tories and their voters. Tibb has got what it wanted ,most people agreeing and giving the nod to each other,lol.

[Beso]

Tibb needs refreshed.

[joeysteele]

Really ? lol , no one is really interested why are they ?

I think People are interested.
There may be some who use it to sledgehammer another.
I'm not one.

Yet I've been branded as having anti semite leanings and a supporter of anti semitism on here simply because I support Labour.
Not by you I have to say.

So those accusations or inferences are far worse than some things Tory supporters get on here from what I've seen

You and I fiercely disagree on politics.
Not on most other things however.

I think however this is a very legitimate question asked in the thread.
This pandemic is the worst thing likely since the 2nd World War.
Now it's true,no one gets all perfect, however on this with people's lives at risk.
As near perfect as can be has to be the order of the day.
Which it hasn't been at all.

If you can really avoid and ignore the points I made in my post, which are all down to your Party in government.
That's for you to decide.

A poor comparison here, however, had I been on here in early 2000s.
At the Iraq time.

Although at that time I leaned more Conservative then.
I'd have been on here savaging any government, whether my party or another for the mess and wrongs of the Iraq war.
I'd never have supported Labour under Blair for that.
I'd have said so too.
Even had that been a CON government.

I however, cannot as a human being, for the shocking scandalous incompetence on protection equipment.
Helping result in the thousands of lost lives of loved ones in Care homes and Hospitals.
I could not with a clear conscience ignore that.

Those lives deserved to be protected and should have had everything absolutely perfect as to protection.
No room for error or any incompetence or deceit either, which sadly is all we've had in the main from Johnson and Hancock particularly.

No whatabouts here from me.
If Labour or Lib Dem or a coalition had been in power from December..
Then done the same in this pandemic as this lot.
I'd have been slamming them right, left and centre.
Endlessly.
As disgusted with them and seeing their dangerous procrastination as unforgivable for the grossly high unnecessary loss of thousands of loved ones.
Leaving families devastated.

Those are the people I care about not those in power who have failed them and others dangerously.

[Smithy]

I vote Tory now,(no dirty secret here) I would at the moment vote Tory again ,they haven't got things perfect but no one ever does ,I refuse now to debate on it as really its just an excuse for some to vent and have a go , no one is really interested in why some vote Tory, so count me out ,but Yes I am a proud Tory supporter.

Really ? lol , no one is really interested why are they ?

Why should people respond when we get comments like these,this is why I dont bother anymore ,no one wants to know ,they just want to vent their own hate for the tories and their voters. Tibb has got what it wanted ,most people agreeing and giving the nod to each other,lol.

You literally say the same thing in every thread, “I think this but I’m not debating it.” Or “I’m not even going to bother!” Girl if you’re not gonna bother what are you still doing in every thread? Like Ok that’s great good for you for thinking that but News and Serious DEBATES probably isn’t the Subforum for you then :shrug:

[Kazanne]

You literally say the same thing in every thread, “I think this but I’m not debating it.” Or “I’m not even going to bother!” Girl if you’re not gonna bother what are you still doing in every thread? Like Ok that’s great good for you for thinking that but News and Serious DEBATES probably isn’t the Subforum for you then :shrug:

I rest my case,:laugh: ok Im outta here.
PS,I am not in every thread,I rarely bother nowadays.

[Smithy]

I rest my case,:laugh: ok Im outta here.
PS,I am not in every thread,I rarely bother nowadays.

:skull: ok

[Liam-]

You’ll never get a straight answer because most Tory voters like having their opinion, but don’t appreciate being questioned or having a conversation about it, like their leader they think they’re above questioning

[arista]

You’ll never get a straight answer because most Tory voters like having their opinion, but don’t appreciate being questioned or having a conversation about it, like their leader they think they’re above questioning


Thats not true
Slick Liam


I lay it on the Line.

[joeysteele]

Thats not true
Slick Liam


I lay it on the Line.

You do and have.
I commended you for it in my own post.

[Beso]

Let's all excuse the mass gatherings by blm..and their unfortunate latch ons...

Or the illegal raves the police keep being bricked away from by irate party goers all over London..


Let's not say one bad word about all that because they are black and we will look bad..but we need a target....


Oo, oo Jeremy..I know..


Let's keep mentioning dominic cummings and his family and ignore the mass breaches of lockdown by our blm brothers

[joeysteele]

Let's all excuse the mass gatherings by blm..and their unfortunate latch ons...

Or the illegal raves the police keep being bricked away from by irate party goers all over London..


Let's not say one bad word about all that because they are black and we will look bad..but we need a target....


Oo, oo Jeremy..I know..


Let's keep mentioning dominic cummings and his family and ignore the mass breaches of lockdown by our blm brothers

Actually.
I never mentioned the advisor at all in either of my posts.

This thread is about the pandemic mainly and what the governing Party has done preparing and dealing with it.

My concern and grievance is for those elderly, those Doctors, Nurses and other workers who have lost their lives due to that shocking bad preparation, the deceit behind it, then the grief and despair families have been left with, because things weren't put in place to protect.
Even the elderly in Care homes.

Ignore that all you wish, those elderly lost their lives, thousands of them, before their time..
They were Parents, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, Sisters, friends and neighbours.

They are what I care about as to their scandalous loss of lives, especially in a Home where they should have been, and made sure to have been safe and protected.

[bots]

people can vote for who they want to ... that's democracy, and they certainly don't need to respond to baiting threads

[Beso]

Actually.
I never mentioned the advisor at all in either of my posts.

This thread is about the pandemic mainly and what the governing Party has done preparing and dealing with it.

My concern and grievance is for those elderly, those Doctors, Nurses and other workers who have lost their lives due to that shocking bad preparation, the deceit behind it, then the grief and despair families have been left with, because things weren't put in place to protect.
Even the elderly in Care homes.

Ignore that all you wish, those elderly lost their lives, thousands of them, before their time..
They were Parents, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, Sisters, friends and neighbours.

They are what I care about as to their scandalous loss of lives, especially in a Home where they should have been, and made sure to have been safe and protected.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.


I also wasnt on about you personally, just the way the left has treated this pandemic and its unforgivable usage of peoples angst and despair to gain political support.

[joeysteele]

people can vote for who they want to ... that's democracy, and they certainly don't need to respond to baiting threads

Of course they can and should vote who they want to.


This question however, cannot be asked of any other voter since it's the Conservatives who are the ruling party at present.

I'm sure many Labour voters were asked what they thought of their Government on Iraq.

I was once asked how could I condemn the Con party while supporting Labour an anti Semitic one.
What would you, I wonder, call that question.???

[joeysteele]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.


I also wasnt on about you personally, just the way the left has treated this pandemic and its unforgivable usage of peoples angst and despair to gain political support.

No, no no.
Sorry hindsight is not an excuse.
We saw in January and February what was happening in Italy and elsewhere.
We had Hancock in parliament saying we were prepared for this.
Hancock has thrown deceit after deceit on this issue all through.
With however, the support of his PM.

We were given forewarning of all that was to come almost 2 months before it got really bad..

This isn't about hindsight at all, it's about having had forewarning well in advance, then still putting thousands of lives unnecessarily in danger and then lost too.

[Beso]

No, no no.
Sorry hindsight is not an excuse.
We saw in January and February what was happening in Italy and elsewhere.
We had Hancock in parliament saying we were prepared for this.
Hancock has thrown deceit after deceit on this issue all through.
With however, the support of his PM.

We were given forewarning of all that was to come almost 2 months before it got really bad..

This isn't about hindsight at all, it's about having had forewarning well in advance, then still putting thousands of lives unnecessarily in danger and then lost too.



Where should we have put these old people?

Should we have left them? Alone.



You are a disgrace, using old people's deaths during a worldwide pandemic to accuse a government of whatever your point is..

[joeysteele]

Where should we have put these old people?

Should we have left them? Alone.



You are a disgrace, using old people's deaths during a worldwide pandemic to accuse a government of whatever your point is..


Really.

What a pathetic accusation.
They should have been safe and protected fully in those Care homes.

Also how dare you!!!
I lost an Aunt from one of those Care homes so just cut out lecturing me thank you.
You're the one more possibly a disgrace.

To defend a government who allowed elderly vulnerable people to be sent out of Hospital with no checks done if they had this virus.
Then sent back to those Care homes.

Then didn't have enough protection equipment ordered and in place to protect those elderly and the staff in the Care homes.
Never mind not enough protection equipment too for Doctors and Nurses in hospitals, who lost their lives too.

You try to call that hindsight then dare to say I'm a disgrace.

I will highlight those losses of those loved ones lives because to really decent people, it should be a national scandal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

people can vote for who they want to ... that's democracy, and they certainly don't need to respond to baiting threads


Yep

[Beso]

They were protected fully in those care homes until covid came along.

I'm sorry but I cant imagine many of the residents getting out and about to catch the virus so they can only have caught it from their reckless carers who a week into lockdown were well aware of the risks of thier actions outside work.

[Smithy]

people can vote for who they want to ... that's democracy, and they certainly don't need to respond to baiting threads

God imagine thinking asking for the opinion of someone else as baiting :skull:

Everyone seems to be more than happy to share their opinion in every other thread, why not do it when you’ve actually been asked for it

🤡🤡🤡

[joeysteele]

They were protected fully in those care homes until covid came along.

I'm sorry but I cant imagine many of the residents getting out and about to catch the virus so they can only have caught it from their reckless carers who a week into lockdown were well aware of the risks of thier actions outside work.


They were sent out of Hospital with the virus, not being checked for it and returned to the Homes.
Where other elderly residents and staff were then infected, due to not having the right and enough protection equipment too.

With both residents and staff losing lives.

Despicable.

Obviously not to you however.

[Beso]

Was there checks at the time?

And I'm sorry for your pain.

[Kizzy]

I have yet to hear one single reason that makes any sense why anyone votes conservative. .. not one.

All I hear is the lesser of two evils or to keep the Marxists out ir the antisemites or some other bull excuse, no rational well thought out reason.

[rusticgal]

You literally say the same thing in every thread, “I think this but I’m not debating it.” Or “I’m not even going to bother!” Girl if you’re not gonna bother what are you still doing in every thread? Like Ok that’s great good for you for thinking that but News and Serious DEBATES probably isn’t the Subforum for you then :shrug:


I vote conservative but politics isn’t something I’m well versed on...but I have my reasons why I don’t vote for Labour or any other party. That’s all I’m saying...doesn’t mean I can’t come on here and read and participate in the thread if I choose...just like Kazanne can.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have yet to hear one single reason that makes any sense why anyone votes conservative. .. not one.

All I hear is the lesser of two evils or to keep the Marxists out ir the antisemites or some other bull excuse, no rational well thought out reason.

Then why keep voting for people who will never win or be in power. Do you ever consider your pov is never going to be implemented. What ever you believe in won't work so either change or quit having a pop at those who make changes

Socialism is not be what people wan't. End of. It's over.really. it's over

[joeysteele]

God imagine thinking asking for the opinion of someone else as baiting :skull:

Everyone seems to be more than happy to share their opinion in every other thread, why not do it when you’ve actually been asked for it

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Well Smithy, my apologies to you re your thread.

I never intended to post in it as I'm not and couldn't now vote Conservative.
Although there are things I agree with them on.

This was mainly, in my view, an interesting question.

However by my posting, it seems I opened a can of worms.

I think the news and even the paper media, I never call them newspapers anymore.
However even the diehard Conservative papers have at times been exasperated and furious at the NHS staff deaths and Care home residents and staff deaths, due to the debacle of the on/ off it's coming,/it's not coming of protection equipment.

I never mind being challenged on my political stance.
Good grief, I've voted Conservative in Council elections, although in the 2010 general election, my hand wavered across Conservative and Lib Dem.
I was worried about the Cons NHS plans so voted Lib Dem then.

Once the cruel testing of the sick and disabled got worse.
Which Labour had wrongly started.
However the Cons made them far worse, during the coalition, with truly degrading tests.
Plus the top down re-organisation of the NHS promised never to be going to happen,plus tuition fees deceit.
Then I turned from both Conservative and Lib Dem leanings then.

Since 2013, I have then been a supporter and member of the Labour party.
Although in Scotland, it is the SNP I greatly respect in politics.

However, I've helped messed your thread up, so again my apologies.
May I suggest had you said, what do Labour voters think of the handling of this pandemic, had they been in power, so one for the future here on an issue.

You'd get answers a plenty, and believe me, all I've seen as a member of the Labour party, is we,their members and voters can be cruelly scathing to the leader, Cabinet and Party even when in power.

[Smithy]

I vote conservative but politics isn’t something I’m well versed on...but I have my reasons why I don’t vote for Labour or any other party. That’s all I’m saying...doesn’t mean I can’t come on here and read and participate in the thread if I choose...just like Kazanne can.
But I’m not asking WHY you voted for them or why you didn’t vote for someone else all I’m asking is how you think the government YOU voted has handled this crisis
Well Smithy, my apologies to you re your thread.

I never intended to post in it as I'm not and couldn't now vote Conservative.
Although there are things I agree with them on.

This was mainly, in my view, an interesting question.

However by my posting, it seems I opened a can of worms.

I think the news and even the paper media, I never call them newspapers anymore.
However even the diehard Conservative papers have at times been exasperated and furious at the NHS staff deaths and Care home residents and staff deaths, due to the debacle of the on/ off it's coming,/it's not coming of protection equipment.

I never mind being challenged on my political stance.
Good grief, I've voted Conservative in Council elections, although in the 2010 general election, my hand wavered across Conservative and Lib Dem.
I was worried about the Cons NHS plans so voted Lib Dem then.

Once the cruel testing of the sick and disabled got worse.
Which Labour had wrongly started.
However the Cons made them far worse, during the coalition, with truly degrading tests.
Plus the top down re-organisation of the NHS promised never to be going to happen,plus tuition fees deceit.
Then I turned from both Conservative and Lib Dem leanings then.

Since 2013, I have then been a supporter and member of the Labour party.
Although in Scotland, it is the SNP I greatly respect in politics.

However, I've helped messed your thread up, so again my apologies.
May I suggest had you said, what do Labour voters think of the handling of this pandemic, had they been in power, so one for the future here on an issue.

You'd get answers a plenty, and believe me, all I've seen as a member of the Labour party, is we,their members and voters can be cruelly scathing to the leader, Cabinet and Party even when in power.

Don’t worry about it Joey, it happens in every thread, one member (yourself) makes a reasonable comment which someone takes and runs with and derails the whole thing.

I can agree with your last two paragraphs too, Dianne Abbot was pretty much crucified for drinking on the train (or whatever it was) by opposition supporting forum members, here you have people blatantly breaking government guidelines and not a peep and they’re happy to act like everything is ok and the “one rule for them and another for us” attitude is completely fine :shrug: it’s wrong

[Kizzy]

Then why keep voting for people who will never win or be in power. Do you ever consider your pov is never going to be implemented. What ever you believe in won't work so either change or quit having a pop at those who make changes

Socialism is not be what people wan't. End of. It's over.really. it's over
That's not a reason to vote conservative is it?

I know why I vote the way I do, I've heard the I vote tory to keep labour out... is that the only reason? Honestly I've never heard another.

[user104658]

Then why keep voting for people who will never win or be in power. Do you ever consider your pov is never going to be implemented. What ever you believe in won't work so either change or quit having a pop at those who make changes

Socialism is not be what people wan't. End of. It's over.really. it's over

Hard left socialism isn't what people want, but people in the UK have demonstrated that they do want functional centrist socialism on countless occasions. If the people of the UK "didn't want socialism", the Tories wouldn't keep pretending that they want to keep the NHS.

[rusticgal]

But I’m not asking WHY you voted for them or why you didn’t vote for someone else all I’m asking is how you think the government YOU voted has handled this crisis




Personally I think they have handled it quite well. They may look back and realised they could have dealt with things better ie. Care homes...Cummings.
Care home residents were really let down badly and as for the Cummings situation..he should have been sacked.

[Trouble1321075]

Are they mandates or guidelines? There is a difference. The latter is a recommendation and the former is a law, at least thats how it is here in the states.

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