[Smithy]

I’m curious as to how you feel the government which you voted in have handled the corona situation and a couple of other things so...

1. How do you think the government has handled the crisis considering we have the worst # of deaths in Europe?

2. How do you feel about Dominic Cummings ignoring government guidelines, blatantly breaking the rules and Boris Johnson refusing to condemn him or remove him from his role?

3. How do you feel about Stanley Johnson breaking government guidelines to fly to Greece and Boris again refusing to condemn it?

4. Do you believe it is do as we say and not as we do?

[The Slim Reaper]

Also, Boris said no-deal was a good option earlier today, yet they were stocking body bags and planning for shortages last year because of no deal. So is this really what they wanted?

[Withano]

They wouldn’t have heard about this, the Daily Mail and similar have told very different stories.

[Cherie]

Not sure there are many Tory voters on TiBB

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not sure there are many Tory voters on TiBB

Could have fooled me

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Could have fooled me

I would say two or three that I can think of...most are left or centre

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I would say two or three that I can think of...most are left or centre

I can think of a few but I don’t want to name names and shame people like that

[LeatherTrumpet]

Is this a quiz for MTVN?

Doesn't neem do these?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Is this a quiz for MTVN?

Doesn't neem do these?

Tbh I think I have given my opinion on all of these in lots of posts across the forum. Maybe not Stanley Johnson, although I don't think people are responsible for the actions of their parents

[Livia]

As if.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Tbh I think I have given my opinion on all of these in lots of posts across the forum. Maybe not Stanley Johnson, although I don't think people are responsible for the actions of their parents

But the fact Boris once again refuses to condemn him for blatantly breaking guidelines without giving a ****?

[MTVN]

Well I don't really see the need for him to be condemning his father and play out family divisions for people's gratification. Stanley is not in government and has no position of responsibility so Boris is not accountable for him like he was with Cummings (which I get the anger over)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Could have fooled me

Yes on Covid-19
Johnson PM has Failed.

Cummings
got Brexit Done - so he can carry on.

[Ammi]

...I have to agree with Matt, Boris had a choice with Dominic Cummings to ask for his resignation but he didn’t...I think it would be awful for him to publicly condemn his own father but also, Stanley has never been part of forming any restrictions and rules and then not adhering to them himself...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I have to agree with Matt, Boris had a choice with Dominic Cummings to ask for his resignation but he didn’t...I think it would be awful for him to publicly condemn his own father but also, Stanley has never been part of forming any restrictions and rules and then not adhering to them himself...

Yes he Felt
safer with Dom there.


OK Ammi.

[parmnion]

They have done a lot better than certain members of the british public that's for dam sure.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I have to agree with Matt, Boris had a choice with Dominic Cummings to ask for his resignation but he didn’t...I think it would be awful for him to publicly condemn his own father but also, Stanley has never been part of forming any restrictions and rules and then not adhering to them himself...

He was an MEP, surely that has to count for something

[Liam-]

Okay then, Stanley isn’t part of the government, neither are we, the public, yet we’re held to a higher standard that those close to the people in charge time and time again, there needs to be some sort of visible line towed, either we all have to stick by the rules or none of us do

[Kizzy]

Being a tory is a dirty secret, youre more likely to have people admitting they go dogging than vote conservative

[joeysteele]

I wasn't going to post in here as although I've been a Conservative voter in my youth.
I am unlikely to ever be so again due to the extreme loss of compassion agenda of the Party since particularly 2011, to the genuinely sick and disabled.
Something very important to me.

However, I was looking forward to reading any defence Tory voters had, or even their own misgivings as to particularly the handling of this pandemic.
The only thing outside of all out war any government has had to deal with.
So really the main and vital test of any PM and government.

Alas, just about all of the Tory voters on here have stayed silent.
Apart from MTVN and arista.
Full marks from me to arista, who recognises the shambles made of this pandemic by his own government.

I was once probed on here, I welcomed that happily, on direct and strong questions on my strong support, although not without criticism, for Labour.
I think I answered all questions put to me.
So it's surprising CON supporters have just avoided this thread.

Really this government got elected to deliver whatever Brexit it either could or wanted to.
That it has and will do.
No secret, their Brexit won't be what I feel is right but they got the mandate to do so under our outdated electoral system with less than 44% of the votes cast.

This pandemic however.
Has been a disaster of the highest proportions.

Firstly though, I commend Rishi Sunak all through so far, I say so far as I believe he's now going to be reigned in to much harder line policy soon.

For me the debacle of the protection equipment..the blatant deceit and politically lying on QT and press conferences by Hancock, a disgrace.

A lack of protection equipment, assisting the deaths of patients, Doctors, Nurses, other NHS staff and Care workers across the Country.

The blatant deceit and lies on testing figures of people and the way it's been presented.

The procrastination, reactive catching up to events of the pandemic, showing utter incompetence of the highest level.

Lastly for me though.
The scandal that is the in effect sacrificing of loved ones elderly family resident in so called Care homes.
A lack of protection equipment and being sent back to homes with this virus.
Not being tested before discharge from Hospitals.

It was the duty of any government in power to ensure the full safety of all.
It has failed, deceived and even politically lied about the issue.
The PM and Health secretary among the leading figures doing so too.

Hindsight is no excuse, we had forewarning of all that was coming.
In late January and February.
This government failed full stop to prepare and have presided over thousands of unnecessary deaths of people's loved ones, friends and neighbours.

That is and should be a National scandal and, for me, is and should be unforgivable.

This I'd be saying even had this been my Party in government.
On this pandemic particularly, the biggest test of right, competence and compassion for any government.
The UK has been dangerously and extremely badly served by this government all through.
In my view.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Is this a quiz for MTVN?

Doesn't neem do these?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I wasn't going to post in here as although I've been a Conservative voter in my youth.
I am unlikely to ever be so again due to the extreme loss of compassion agenda of the Party since particularly 2011, to the genuinely sick and disabled.
Something very important to me.

However, I was looking forward to reading any defence Tory voters had, or even their own misgivings as to particularly the handling of this pandemic.
The only thing outside of all out war any government has had to deal with.
So really the main and vital test of any PM and government.

Alas, just about all of the Tory voters on here have stayed silent.
Apart from MTVN and arista.
Full marks from me to arista, who recognises the shambles made of this pandemic by his own government.

I was once probed on here, I welcomed that happily, on direct and strong questions on my strong, although not without criticism, for Labour.
I think I answered all questions put to me.
So it's surprising CON supporters have just avoided this thread.

Really this government got elected to deliver whatever Brexit it either could or wanted to.
That it has and will do.
No secret, their Brexit won't be what I feel is right but they got the mandate to do so under our outdated electoral system with less than 44% of the votes cast.

This pandemic however.
Has been a disaster of the highest proportions.

Firstly though, I commend Rishi Sunak all through so far, I say so far as I believe he's now going to be reigned in to much harder line policy soon.

For me the debacle of the protection equipment..the blatant deceit and politically lying on QT and press conferences by Hancock, a disgrace.

A lack of protection equipment, assisting the deaths of patients, Doctors, Nurses, other NHS staff and Care workers across the Country.

The blatant deceit and lies on testing figures of people and the way it's been presented.

The procrastination, reactive catching up to events of the pandemic, showing utter incompetence of the highest level.

Lastly for me though.
The scandal that is the in effect sacrificing of loved ones elderly family resident in so called Care homes.
A lack of protection equipment and being sent back to homes with this virus.
Not being tested before discharge from Hospitals.

It was the duty of any government in power to ensure the full safety of all.
It has failed, deceived and even politically lied about the issue.
The PM and Health secretary among the leading figures doing so too.

Hindsight is no excuse, we had forewarning of all that was coming.
In late January and February.
This government failed full stop to prepare and have presided over thousands of unnecessary deaths of people's loved ones, friends and neighbours.

That is and should be a National scandal and, for me, is and should be unforgivable.

This I'd be saying even had this been my Party in government.
On this pandemic particularly, the biggest test of right, competence and compassion for any government.
The UK has been dangerously and extremely badly served by this government all through.
In my view.

Thank you Joey I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said; and I’m also surprised that the conservative voters have avoided the questions, I can only imagine it’s because they know their government has failed tremendously or they don’t want to expose themselves as Tory voters

[Kazanne]

I vote Tory now,(no dirty secret here) I would at the moment vote Tory again ,they haven't got things perfect but no one ever does ,I refuse now to debate on it as really its just an excuse for some to vent and have a go , no one is really interested in why some vote Tory, so count me out ,but Yes I am a proud Tory supporter.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Thank you Joey I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said; and I’m also surprised that the conservative voters have avoided the questions, I can only imagine it’s because they know their government has failed tremendously or they don’t want to expose themselves as Tory voters

Really ? lol , no one is really interested why are they ?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Being a tory is a dirty secret, youre more likely to have people admitting they go dogging than vote conservative

Why should people respond when we get comments like these,this is why I dont bother anymore ,no one wants to know ,they just want to vent their own hate for the tories and their voters. Tibb has got what it wanted ,most people agreeing and giving the nod to each other,lol.