BBC considering dropping Rule Britannia & Land Hope & Glory from Last Night at Proms

[Crimson Dynamo]

BBC 'is considering dropping Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and
Glory from Last Night of the Proms in wake of BLM protests' because organisers
fear backlash over their links to colonialism and slavery


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Conductor Dalia Stasevska 'believes concert is perfect moment to bring change'
Crowds will be absent from the Last Night on September 12 amid Covid-19 crisis
Rule, Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory are traditionally performed at event


British anthems Rule, Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory could be axed
from the BBC Proms amid the Black Lives Matter movement, an insider has
claimed.

The broadcaster is considering dropping the patriotic songs from the Last
Night concert due to fears of criticism because of their apparent links to
colonialism and slavery, the Times reported.

Dalia Stasevska, who is conducting the Last Night on September 12, is said
to believe 'a ceremony without an audience is the perfect moment to bring
change.'

'Dalia is a big supporter of Black Lives Matter,' a source added.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8655351/BBC-considering-dropping-Rule-Britannia-Land-Hope-Glory-Night-Proms.html

[Kizzy]

Oof I can smell the backlash, far too progressive I welcome it but I'll be very surprised if it comes off.

[joeysteele]

I've never liked Rule Brittania.

I love Land of Hope and Glory also Jerusalem.
So would like them intact.

[bots]

this is manufactured nonsense

[Liam-]

Nobody is asking for this

[Ammi]

...the article also says...

‘But this year, the orchestra is expected to be around half its usual size due to social distancing guidelines introduced by the Government in the wake of the pandemic.

Only 18 singers are expected to perform.

In other measures introduced amid the Covid-19 outbreak, performers will have their temperatures checked on arrival and robotic cameras will replace human operators.

Jan Younghusband, head of BBC music TV commissioning, has confirmed the content of the Last Night concert is still under review.

She said: 'We have a lot of problems about how many instruments we can have. It is hard to know whether it is physically possible to do [Rule Britannia].

'Some of the traditional tunes, like Jerusalem, are easier to perform … We also don't know if we'll be in a worse situation in two weeks' time.'


...a few changes this year, obviously, due to COVID related restrictions...and just a typical DM headline...

[Crimson Dynamo]

SKY NEWS:

Last Night Of The Proms: Rule Britannia and Land Of Hope And Glory face the axe

THE TIMES

Rule Britannia faces axe in BBC's 'Black Lives Matter Proms'

THE EXPRESS

BBC could axe Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from The Proms after BLM protest


MSM

Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory 'could be axed from BBC Proms after Black Lives Matter protests'

BIRMINGHAM LIVE

Rule Britannia could be scrapped from Last Night of the Proms - report

CURRANT BUN

Rule, Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory ‘could be axed from BBC Proms in wake of Black Lives Matter

[arista]

Yes it's a Left Wing Problem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

time to defund the BBC

[Ammi]

Yes it's a Left Wing Problem.

...:laugh:...we got 99 problems but left leaning ain’t one...

[Liam-]

Yes it's a Left Wing Problem.

No, it’s not, they’re doing it off their own backs.

This is the problem with hollow gestures by big businesses, it generates bad feelings towards minorities that have no interest in what they’re saying they’ll do

[Ammi]

No, it’s not, they’re doing it off their own backs.

This is the problem with hollow gestures by big businesses, it generates bad feelings towards minorities that have no interest in what they’re saying they’ll do

...I guess that it gets it talked about so a great promo...?...as Simon Cowell would say...all publicity is good publicity etc...

[Nicky91]

time to defund the BBC

time to defund every british tv channel then


no more tv in britain

[Crimson Dynamo]

time to defund every british tv channel then


no more tv in britain

not Dave

:nono:

[Oliver_W]

Bit pointless really - the kind of people who whinge about Rule Britannia probably wouldn't be able to sit through orchestral and choral music anyway :joker:

What's more, black people born in Britain are Britons, so the songs apply to them too.

[arista]

Live on LBC Radio
they are going to debate this next

[The Slim Reaper]

Rule britannia,
britannia rule the waves,
we shall paaaaaaayaaaaayyaaaaaay France to keep us safe

From the dinghies
As we all cower down
Cos we are all scared of skin that's black and brown

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgIzga9U8AMRmV3?format=jpg&name=small

[user104658]

time to defund every british tv channel then





no more tv in britainThe other channels are self-funded through advertising revenue/optional subscriptions Nicky... The BBC is funded by a non-optional license fee. It's the only one that can be defunded. For all the others, people can "vote with their feet" by simply not watching the channel, if they have reason to.

[Nicky91]

The other channels are self-funded through advertising revenue/optional subscriptions Nicky... The BBC is funded by a non-optional license fee. It's the only one that can be defunded. For all the others, people can "vote with their feet" by simply not watching the channel, if they have reason to.

ITV, C4, C5 confirmed as non-existing tv channels then

[bots]

the bbc are on borrowed time now, the license fee will be gone at the next charter renewal

[user104658]

ITV, C4, C5 confirmed as non-existing tv channels then

They're not funded by the license fee, they're funded by ads. ITV (traditionally "channel 3" when there weren't things like cable and satellite) stands for "Independent Television" because they were the first self-funded channel separate to the BBC. Ch4 and Ch5 didn't exist until much later and neither have anything to do with the BBC license fee.

[user104658]

the bbc are on borrowed time now, the license fee will be gone at the next charter renewal

Their big-name shows (e.g. Doctor Who) will likely be snapped up by the various streaming companies and the rest... :shrug:. Either that or the BBC itself will restructure as a subscription-based streaming service, where they'd probably do fine (downsized).

[Livia]

Just close the proms down all together if that's the feeling.

In fact, let's ban all patriotic songs the world over.

[Nicky91]

Just close the proms down all together if that's the feeling.

In fact, let's ban all patriotic songs the world over.

yes and then more especially those whom are ancient, what rule britannia, land hope & glory are

britain is no longer an empire, so no need for these songs anymore

[Livia]

yes and then more especially those whom are ancient, what rule britannia, land hope & glory are

britain is no longer an empire, so no need for these songs anymore

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

[user104658]

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

The British empire is (by a considerable margin) the largest and most wide-reaching empire in global history... and also... as far as I know, the Italians aren't singing patriotic songs about the Roman Empire :think:.... nor the Byzantines... nor the various Reichs... haven't heard many blaring trumpets for the Mongols either.

I don't have any massive personal issue with the songs but I do think that, in general, patriotism need not include conquest. I do think there's an issue with overall British and especially English culture where the concept of national identity and patriotism is heavily linked to Empire, so there's a struggle in knowing what to sing about if NOT "ruling the waves". Most countries have anthems that are much more "inward looking" - even the ol' Star Spangled Banner is about "America at home" and not their global activities.

[Oliver_W]

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

Quite. The world's history is long and bloodied. Black people have been slavers, white people have been slaves. All races have been slavers and slaves. Virtually all races have built empires.

To act as if any people alive today should feel guilty for their ancestors is just stupid.

[Nicky91]

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

yes i understand, but also brexit was created by people who believe they are still an empire while britain isn't a long while anymore

[Kizzy]

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

If you're left leaning you hate the country?...

The Italians aren't singing songs from the Roman empire are they? It's history.. brutal and undemocratic history.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Divine Comedy, Irish band, they sing about the roman empire as it goes

You know, if you have any mind at all,
Gibbon's divine "Decline And Fall"-
Well, it sounds pretty flimsy
No more than a whimsy ...
By way of contrast,
On Wednesday last
I went to a marvellous party

[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris takes on BBC over Last Night of the Proms: PM says UK must tackle 'substance' not 'symbols' of racism amid calls for ban on Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory for 'celebrating the British Empire'

:clap1:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8657909/Academics-demand-Rule-Britannia-Land-Hope-Glory-BANNED-Night-Proms.html

[arista]

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He can sod off

[Crimson Dynamo]

A victory for the GBP


:dance:

Boris shoots

and he scores

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[MB.]

Congrats to you all on getting het up over absolutely nothing :love:

[Kizzy]

Can someone explain to me why the pm gets to choose what is or is not in the line up of a BBC TV programme?

[Ammi]

...they‘ll be orchestral versions/no lyrics...but only for this year, they’ll be sung again next year...(..assuming COVID restrictions allow...)...in my own opinion, this has just all been media hype led and slantEd as it was all only being discussed for many reasons and restrictions were a huge consideration also... Dalia Stasevska, sadly...has been receiving much online abuse and personal attacks... she’s been mad a target for such venting, when any discussions that may have happened for adaptIon this year for various reasons etc...have been with all of the musicians...

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Nicky91]

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**** you loser Farage :yuk:

[arista]

**** you loser Farage :yuk:


He is no Loser
he got Brexit done

[UserSince2005]

Does the BBC really think the proms is watched by the over grown grumpy teenagers that is the left?
They just alienated the proms only reviews lol.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Even if we accept it's about Freedom (I don't), the white natives in this country for most of the time of our empire, were not far off being slaves themselves, so exactly what freedom?

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Well thought out argument :joker:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgNRKKJXoAAdb_2?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Ammi]

1298225507499114497

...is that just recent...inhaling and exhaling more deeply because of the singing and so close to each other..?...

[Nicky91]

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can twitter pls give Farage a ban for provoking hatred

[Mitchell]

can twitter pls give Farage a ban for provoking hatred

Yes x

[Crimson Dynamo]

We sing Rule Britannia at every Rangers game

2Qq8-ImANA4

[arista]

Can twitter pls give Farage a ban for provoking hatred


No

[Tom4784]

Typical tabloid bait and the gullible right wing eat it right up. It's sad how easy it is to send the Right Wing into a frenzy, no critical thought there at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris responds

NkPfErxA_HM

[Liam-]

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[Ammi]

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...of course...it was always said that the decisions about changes this year were adaptions for COVID and all musicians were part of of those decisions...but the media leads another slant to focus on...sadly, Dalia Stasevska has had much online abuse/insults because of it...

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/24/14/32309542-8658599-Dalia_Stasevska_who_is_conducting_the_Last_Night-m-151_1598274343407.jpg

the Finnish conductor at the forefront of calls to ban the anthems Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from this year's Last Night of the Proms has pledged support for Black Lives Matter and is married to a rock star, it emerged today.

Dalia Stasevska is preparing for the biggest night of her career on September 12 when she conducts the BBC Symphony Orchestra at London's Royal Albert Hall.

But preparations for the concert have been overshadowed by a huge row over proposals to drop Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from the evening.

This year's conductor Miss Stasevska, 35, from Finland, is said to be keen to modernise the evening's repertoire and reduce its patriotic elements.

A BBC source told the Sunday Times: 'Dalia is a big supporter of Black Lives Matter and thinks a ceremony without an audience is the perfect moment to bring change.'

She has also spoken out in praise of Democrat US politician Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:UMM2: and once retweeted a Time magazine front cover about Greta Thunberg.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8658599/Black-Lives-Matter-backing-conductor-Dalia-Stasevska-hoping-bring-change-Proms.html

SO this extreme leftist from FInland is trying to change the GBP's Prom?

??

[Nicky91]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/24/14/32309542-8658599-Dalia_Stasevska_who_is_conducting_the_Last_Night-m-151_1598274343407.jpg

the Finnish conductor at the forefront of calls to ban the anthems Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from this year's Last Night of the Proms has pledged support for Black Lives Matter and is married to a rock star, it emerged today.

Dalia Stasevska is preparing for the biggest night of her career on September 12 when she conducts the BBC Symphony Orchestra at London's Royal Albert Hall.

But preparations for the concert have been overshadowed by a huge row over proposals to drop Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from the evening.

This year's conductor Miss Stasevska, 35, from Finland, is said to be keen to modernise the evening's repertoire and reduce its patriotic elements.

A BBC source told the Sunday Times: 'Dalia is a big supporter of Black Lives Matter and thinks a ceremony without an audience is the perfect moment to bring change.'

She has also spoken out in praise of Democrat US politician Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:UMM2: and once retweeted a Time magazine front cover about Greta Thunberg.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8658599/Black-Lives-Matter-backing-conductor-Dalia-Stasevska-hoping-bring-change-Proms.html

SO this extreme leftist from FInland is trying to change the GBP's Prom?

??

yes, extreme left is good :love: better than the far right brexit clowns

[Liam-]

...of course...it was always said that the decisions about changes this year were adaptions for COVID and all musicians were part of of those decisions...but the media leads another slant to focus on...sadly, Dalia Stasevska has had much online abuse/insults because of it...

It clearly could never have been a natural change to adhere to the ever stranger times we’re in, nope, it had to be black peoples fault, anything to sell rags to the gammons though!

[Crimson Dynamo]

It clearly could never have been a natural change to adhere to the ever stranger times we’re in, nope, it had to be black peoples fault, anything to sell rags to the gammons though!

the lady is conductor is white

:facepalm:

[Beso]

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Well said boris..and very brave and honest to ignore the people not wanting him to discuss the matter.

[Beso]

Typical tabloid bait and the gullible right wing eat it right up. It's sad how easy it is to send the Right Wing into a frenzy, no critical thought there at all.

I'm seeing a lot of frenzied posts in here by folk attacking the right and anyone remotely connected ...nothing of what you describe though...I have seen a lot of prom viewers disgusted though.

[Beso]

yes, extreme left is good :love: better than the far right brexit clowns

The BBC must not take sides in political matters...pandering to this morons wishes is taking sides on political matters.

If it's even true that is which I doubt it is

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

BBC Songs of Praise producer compares Rule Britannia to Nazis
singing about how they 'will never be forced into a gas chamber'


An Executive Producer for the BBC's Songs of Praise has compared singing
Rule Britannia to Nazis singing about gas chambers.


Cat Lewis, who is also CEO of television production company Nine Lives
Media, weighed in on the controversy surrounding the BBC's decision to drop
the singing of patriotic anthems from the Last Night of the Proms.


Critics have claimed the songs were 'racist', and now Ms Lewis, a self-
described 'campaigner for a better world', has blasted the centuries-old Rule
Britannia.


She tweeted: 'Do those Brits who believe it's OK to sing an 18th Century
song about never being enslaved, written when the UK was enslaving and
killing millions of innocents, also believe it's appropriate for neo-Nazis to
shout, ''We will never be forced into a gas chamber.'' '


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8662651/BBC-Songs-Praise-producer-compares-Rule-Britannia-Nazis-singing-gas-chambers.html

oh, dear, oh dearie me

[Beso]

She went there.:omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i hope she loses her job immediately.

[Mitchell]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/24/14/32309542-8658599-Dalia_Stasevska_who_is_conducting_the_Last_Night-m-151_1598274343407.jpg

the Finnish conductor at the forefront of calls to ban the anthems Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from this year's Last Night of the Proms has pledged support for Black Lives Matter and is married to a rock star, it emerged today.

Dalia Stasevska is preparing for the biggest night of her career on September 12 when she conducts the BBC Symphony Orchestra at London's Royal Albert Hall.

But preparations for the concert have been overshadowed by a huge row over proposals to drop Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from the evening.

This year's conductor Miss Stasevska, 35, from Finland, is said to be keen to modernise the evening's repertoire and reduce its patriotic elements.

A BBC source told the Sunday Times: 'Dalia is a big supporter of Black Lives Matter and thinks a ceremony without an audience is the perfect moment to bring change.'

She has also spoken out in praise of Democrat US politician Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:UMM2: and once retweeted a Time magazine front cover about Greta Thunberg.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8658599/Black-Lives-Matter-backing-conductor-Dalia-Stasevska-hoping-bring-change-Proms.html

SO this extreme leftist from FInland is trying to change the GBP's Prom?

??

Queen :love: get her in 10 downing Street to replace Boris :love:

[Tom4784]

Fragile right wingers getting upset over a setlist for something most of them would never have watched in the first place.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a victory for the GBP

[Marsh.]

It is a little bit rich to have a Finnish conductor trying to "reduce the patriotism".

I'm all for getting rid of songs linked with slavery and/or racism, but to say she wants rid of patriotism? :think:

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/24/14/32309542-8658599-Dalia_Stasevska_who_is_conducting_the_Last_Night-m-151_1598274343407.jpg

the Finnish conductor at the forefront of calls to ban the anthems Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from this year's Last Night of the Proms has pledged support for Black Lives Matter and is married to a rock star, it emerged today.

Dalia Stasevska is preparing for the biggest night of her career on September 12 when she conducts the BBC Symphony Orchestra at London's Royal Albert Hall.

But preparations for the concert have been overshadowed by a huge row over proposals to drop Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from the evening.

This year's conductor Miss Stasevska, 35, from Finland, is said to be keen to modernise the evening's repertoire and reduce its patriotic elements.

A BBC source told the Sunday Times: 'Dalia is a big supporter of Black Lives Matter and thinks a ceremony without an audience is the perfect moment to bring change.'

She has also spoken out in praise of Democrat US politician Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:UMM2: and once retweeted a Time magazine front cover about Greta Thunberg.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8658599/Black-Lives-Matter-backing-conductor-Dalia-Stasevska-hoping-bring-change-Proms.html

SO this extreme leftist from FInland is trying to change the GBP's Prom?

??

It's articles like this that create a right wing backlash of the sort that costs lives.

The decision to alter the playlist was discussed by many many people involved in the production of the proms.

But no, it suits the agenda to infer it's the decision of a female leftist foreigner ..or if we're playing daily mail bingo a full house.

[Nicky91]

It's a victory for the GBP

stop the love for the GBP

[Crimson Dynamo]

stop the love for the GBP

I will not

:oh:

[Ammi]

Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory to be SUNG during Last Night of the Proms, BBC confirms...


Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory will now be sung by a select group of vocalists during the Last Night of the Proms, the BBC has confirmed.

The broadcaster previously announced the songs would feature as instrumentals, following controversy over their perceived historical links with colonialism and slavery.

A spokesperson for the BBC Proms said: “The pandemic means a different Proms this year and one of the consequences, under Covid-19 restrictions, is we are not able to bring together massed voices.

“For that reason we took the artistic decision not to sing Rule, Britannia! and Land Of Hope And Glory in the Hall.

“We have been looking hard at what else might be possible and we have a solution.

“Both pieces will now include a select group of BBC singers. This means the words will be sung in the Hall, and as we have always made clear, audiences will be free to sing along at home. While it can’t be a full choir, and we are unable to have audiences in the Hall, we are doing everything possible to make it special and want a Last Night truly to remember.

“We hope everyone will welcome this solution. We think the night itself will be a very special moment for the country – and one that is much needed after a difficult period for everyone.

“It will not be a usual Last Night, but it will be a night not just to look forward to, but to remember.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/rule-britannia-land-hope-glory-115500161.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

The BBC are in a state

[Kizzy]

Capitulation at its finest.

[arista]

The BBC are in a state

The new Boss T. Davie
does a U turn.

[arista]

[BBC must serve all audiences, says new boss Tim Davie
Director-general faces claims that broadcaster is too London-centric and anti-Brexit]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/sep/01/bbc-must-serve-all-audiences-says-new-boss-tim-davie

[Tom4784]

It's gross that the BBC caved to gammon that won't ever watch the Proms, not when they can watch reruns of Only Fools and Horses on Gold.

[Kizzy]

It's gross that the BBC caved to gammon that won't ever watch the Proms, not when they can watch reruns of Only Fools and Horses on Gold.

:joker:

[bots]

the bbc has lost a lot of credibility for getting on countless reasons now. I don't know if the government can take it's charter away early or not ... i'm guessing they can ... whatever ... the bbc as we know it is finished

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Rob!]

...the article also says...

‘But this year, the orchestra is expected to be around half its usual size due to social distancing guidelines introduced by the Government in the wake of the pandemic.

Only 18 singers are expected to perform.

In other measures introduced amid the Covid-19 outbreak, performers will have their temperatures checked on arrival and robotic cameras will replace human operators.

Jan Younghusband, head of BBC music TV commissioning, has confirmed the content of the Last Night concert is still under review.

She said: 'We have a lot of problems about how many instruments we can have. It is hard to know whether it is physically possible to do [Rule Britannia].

'Some of the traditional tunes, like Jerusalem, are easier to perform … We also don't know if we'll be in a worse situation in two weeks' time.'


...a few changes this year, obviously, due to COVID related restrictions...and just a typical DM headline...

Guess which version of events I believe ^^^^

[joeysteele]

Actually if I'm not keen on a line of a song I often just adapt the words to ones I'd use when singing it anyway.

As I said earlier, I've never really liked Rule Brittania anyway.

The slave line always sounded ridiculous to me.
For any reason.
As for ruling the waves, REALLY!.

Land of hope and Glory.
I like very much, although I prefer it too just done without the words.
It's a beautiful melody.
Much like Elgar's Nimrod, which would sound so wrong with lyrics.

Jerusalem I love, one of my Aunt's used to sing that really loudly.
For me that's a more hopeful permanent fixture of Last Night of the Proms.

The BBC however is seeming to really digging deeper and deeper holes for itself.
Not just on this issue.
However across the board too.

It's news for instance, I've lost count of in news programmes now, where the newsreader is constantly saying, er, erm, hmm etc:

So perhaps when singing for instance, Rule Brittania, on lines anyone doesn't like.
Just hum that line, or stay silent and don't sing it.
Or just don't sing it at all.

[user104658]

So perhaps when singing for instance, Rule Brittania, on lines anyone doesn't like.
Just hum that line, or stay silent and don't sing it.
Or just don't sing it at all.

I mean I get it in principle but... the "never shall be slaves" line is part of the chorus and crescendo of the song, it would sound hilsrous if it was replaced with humming :joker:.

"Ruuuule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves... Briiiitons never, never, neeever hmmm hmmm hmmmmmmmmmm"

[joeysteele]

I mean I get it in principle but... the "never shall be slaves" line is part of the chorus and crescendo of the song, it would sound hilsrous if it was replaced with humming :joker:.

"Ruuuule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves... Briiiitons never, never, neeever hmmm hmmm hmmmmmmmmmm"

:joker: oh gosh, I get your point there.

Although a kind of very gently but effective protest at the line that would be if all did it.

Quite frankly TS, on the rare times I've been anywhere where Rule Brittania has been included.
I just stay silent really.
I just never sing it

I don't really like the awkward melody and the words to me are frankly ridiculous.

[bots]

"Ruuuule Britannia! Britannia rule the waves... Briiiitons never, never, neeever hmmm hmmm hmmmmmmmmmm"

it would be like something from Monty Python :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well dome to the DM who helped this small but important victory

[user104658]

:joker: oh gosh, I get your point there.

Although a kind of very gently but effective protest at the line that would be if all did it.

Quite frankly TS, on the rare times I've been anywhere where Rule Brittania has been included.
I just stay silent really.
I just never sing it

I don't really like the awkward melody and the words to me are frankly ridiculous.

I can't say I'm a fan anyway... though it's better than "God Save The Queen" (Rebellious Scots to crush, indeed :suspect: :hmph: )

We could just change all of the lyrics to fit 2020 better!

"Rule Britannia!
Brittania rule the waves
Deliverrrr chlor-in-at-ed-chicken
from U. S. AAAA"

[joeysteele]

I can't say I'm a fan anyway... though it's better than "God Save The Queen" (Rebellious Scots to crush, indeed :suspect: :hmph: )

We could just change all of the lyrics to fit 2020 better!

"Rule Britannia!
Brittania rule the waves
Deliverrrr chlor-in-at-ed-chicken
from U. S. AAAA"


Oh don't start me on the National anthem..

I dislike that totally.
I think the tune is mournful and the words totally inappropriate.
Awful.

See, you've picked up my idea,sing that to Rule Brittania definitely,