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arista
10-09-2020, 04:46 PM
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1303908536553017349
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CancelNetflix&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
Due to kids being used as sex objects.
11 year old girls.
Hopefully it results in them dropping the show.
Oliver_W
10-09-2020, 05:01 PM
wtf, what creepo approved something like that D: I thought Weinstein wasn't making films anymore...
arista
10-09-2020, 05:15 PM
Hopefully it results in them dropping the show.
Yes I am amazed Netflix is ignoring the Twitter rage,
...this is just part of one article so I’ll post the link...
It's about what it means to be an adolescent girl in the age of TikTok and Instagram, where 'likes' have become the currency of self-esteem and keeping kids away from anything on the Internet is near impossible.
The film is told from the perspective of 11-year-old Amy who, like Doucouré, is the daughter of Muslim Senegalese immigrants growing up in northeast Paris.
Amy is unimpressed by the traditional path for women laid out by the matriarchs in her family.
As her strict Grand-Aunt tries to groom her to become a wife and mother, Amy watches her own mom struggle to hide tears when she gets a call from her husband in Senegal. As is tradition for many men there, he's taken a second wife.
To escape the drama playing out at home, Amy befriends a group of popular girls at school who have formed a dance troop called 'Les Mignonnes' or 'the Cuties.'
Amy spends hours nailing down choreography to provocative music videos so she can impress her new friends.
Filmmaker Doucouré says social media adds a layer of complexity to what it means to be an adolescent in 2020.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/06/909753465/cuties-calls-out-the-hypersexualization-of-young-girls-and-gets-criticized?t=1599757858637
..it seems to be engaging interest and there are some pretty good reviews...I’d have to try to watch it, Arista...to be able to comment on the Twitter cancel campaign...
user104658
10-09-2020, 05:16 PM
It's not a Neflix production, it's a French film that won awards at some film festival and Netflix bought the rights to it for international screening. I do think that was the wrong decision. I don't know that whatever "artistic merit" it has is worth the depictions of actual children in it and, either way, Netflix is far too mainstream a platform for it to be on.
...the Independent review that properly explains the movie ...
Netflix’s Cuties is too intelligent and moving to be marred by one bad-taste poster...
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/cuties-netflix-poster-hypersexualisation-controversy-mignonnes-watch-why-trailer-release-date-b405032.html
...it doesn’t seem to sexualise, so much as show how children can be sexualised in this digital age of social media etc...?...
The Slim Reaper
10-09-2020, 05:21 PM
If it has something to say about the sexualisation of young girls, then that would make it valid imo. If it's just about kids twerking, then it is completely without merit, but I really knew nothing about it until this thread, so I can't really make a judgement.
...’cancel culture’ is becoming a real problem if it fully know what it’s cancelling...
user104658
10-09-2020, 05:21 PM
...this is just part of one article so I’ll post the link...
It's about what it means to be an adolescent girl in the age of TikTok and Instagram, where 'likes' have become the currency of self-esteem and keeping kids away from anything on the Internet is near impossible.
The film is told from the perspective of 11-year-old Amy who, like Doucouré, is the daughter of Muslim Senegalese immigrants growing up in northeast Paris.
Amy is unimpressed by the traditional path for women laid out by the matriarchs in her family.
As her strict Grand-Aunt tries to groom her to become a wife and mother, Amy watches her own mom struggle to hide tears when she gets a call from her husband in Senegal. As is tradition for many men there, he's taken a second wife.
To escape the drama playing out at home, Amy befriends a group of popular girls at school who have formed a dance troop called 'Les Mignonnes' or 'the Cuties.'
Amy spends hours nailing down choreography to provocative music videos so she can impress her new friends.
Filmmaker Doucouré says social media adds a layer of complexity to what it means to be an adolescent in 2020.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/06/909753465/cuties-calls-out-the-hypersexualization-of-young-girls-and-gets-criticized?t=1599757858637
..it seems to be engaging interest and there are some pretty good reviews...I’d have to try to watch it, Arista...to be able to comment on the Twitter cancel campaign...
I think the issue is, even if it's a good film with a good social commentary, there are huge problems regardless. One being that it's a live action film that features the heavy and overt sexualisation of actual child actors, which is hugely questionable in terms of ethics, and secondly like I said... the Netflix platform is too big and too mainstream for it to be appropriate. A lot of people watching will not be watching for the social commentary.
Also something I;ve seen come up frequently in relation to this... here is the Netflix poster (left) for the film, vs the original film festival poster (right);
https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/2020/9/9/97ef2038-bb4d-4004-a022-2325468f8249-cuties-vs-mignonnes.jpg
Esentially, Netflix is being accused of playing UP the sexualisation of children for marketing purposes... and really... that's hard to argue against given this poster.
Seems people (myself included) are guilty of 'judging the book by it's cover', quite literally.
...jeez...
‘Cuties’ Director Says She Received Death Threats After Netflix Poster Backlash; Ted Sarandos Called Her To Apologize...
https://deadline.com/2020/09/cuties-director-death-threats-netflix-poster-backlash-ted-sarandos-called-apologize-1234569783/
Seems people (myself included) are guilty of 'judging the book by it's cover', quite literally.
..or a movie by its Twitter..?....
user104658
10-09-2020, 05:25 PM
If it has something to say about the sexualisation of young girls, then that would make it valid imo. If it's just about kids twerking, then it is completely without merit, but I really knew nothing about it until this thread, so I can't really make a judgement.
I think the concept is valid and has a LOT of merit, however I think the fact that it's live-action and features scenes that overtly sexualise the child actors is problematic regardless of intent. Also I do think there's a huge distinction between a niche arthouse film that will be sought out by film fans... and a film being pushed by an algorithm on a platform as massive as Netflix. There are quite a few films I can think of that I've enjoyed as a film fan but would say are not right at all for a mainstream streaming platform for people to "stumble upon".
...it’s the irony though...we have so much information given to us in a few moments...and yet we scream for ‘cancel’ without even taking a few moments to look at what it is we’re cancelling...it’s a total ‘sheep mentality’ as well, is it not...
...not you, Swan btw...the cancel happy Twitter type sites...
The Slim Reaper
10-09-2020, 05:29 PM
Ammi sends for Swan :fist:
user104658
10-09-2020, 05:30 PM
...it’s the irony though...we have so much information given to us in a few moments...and yet we scream for ‘cancel’ without even taking a few moments to look at what it is we’re cancelling...it’s a total ‘sheep mentality’ as well, is it not...
Obviously I agree with that too Ammi - I'm a vocal opponent of twitter pile-ons, the hive-mind and social media in general (I don't use it at all) :joker:.
I just also think that this was a product that at the very least needed to be handled with care, given the subject matter... and Netflix handled it about as ham-fistedly as they possibly could have. Netflix specifically changed the poster, one assumes because they thought their version would gather more attention... and I think that whether the film is guilty of sexualising children or not, the Neflix advertising of it DEFINITELY is. Of course in that case, the criticism should be aimed at Netflix and not the film creators.
arista
10-09-2020, 05:31 PM
It's not a Neflix production, it's a French film that won awards at some film festival and Netflix bought the rights to it for international screening. I do think that was the wrong decision. I don't know that whatever "artistic merit" it has is worth the depictions of actual children in it and, either way, Netflix is far too mainstream a platform for it to be on.
Yes Netflix buy loads
but ingore the Anger over these 11 year old girls
being used as Sex objects
Ammi sends for Swan :fist:
..Swans, bruh...:fan:..
..or a movie by its Twitter..?....
Correct :laugh:
...it’s the irony though...we have so much information given to us in a few moments...and yet we scream for ‘cancel’ without even taking a few moments to look at what it is we’re cancelling...it’s a total ‘sheep mentality’ as well, is it not...
Very true.
...not you, Swan btw...the cancel happy Twitter type sites...
Nope, i hold my hands up, im guilty of this. I see the poster and immediately thought 'trashy reality show exploiting young girls'. Should have looked into it a bit more.
Ammi sends for Swan :fist:
:bawling:
:joker:
jeez it's a very dodgy poster, how the hell did that get approved
arista
10-09-2020, 06:02 PM
...jeez...
‘Cuties’ Director Says She Received Death Threats After Netflix Poster Backlash; Ted Sarandos Called Her To Apologize...
https://deadline.com/2020/09/cuties-director-death-threats-netflix-poster-backlash-ted-sarandos-called-apologize-1234569783/
To be honest
it does not surprise me.
11 year old girls are not meant to be sex objects
arista
10-09-2020, 06:03 PM
jeez it's a very dodgy poster, how the hell did that get approved
Netflix
enjoy the money they make
Oliver_W
10-09-2020, 06:21 PM
Making "social commentary" is no excuse for this, I mean really...
mcVxiRsol9A
Tom4784
10-09-2020, 06:28 PM
I remember the poster for this going viral a few weeks back. It's gross.
arista
10-09-2020, 06:28 PM
Yes Oliver
I am Shocked that Ammi
is sticking up for Netflix, on this production.
i won't be watching the film, but the context is always important, so i wouldn't rush to judgement on a clip
Shaun
10-09-2020, 06:41 PM
There are audience members audibly booing and making rude gestures throughout the performance, I wouldn't say it really glamourises their performance at all. It's uncomfortable to watch though, as are child pageants.
Yes Oliver
I am Shocked that Ammi
is sticking up for Netflix, on this production.
...I didn’t ‘stick up’, Arista ...and can you imagine my shock that you’re saying that’s what I’m doing...:laugh:...I posted some reviews that are pretty good reviews of the film so I won’t go Twitter cancel crazy vibe, until I’ve seen the film and the whole context of it ...because from the few reviews I’ve read...it doesn’t seem to sexualise, so much as show how children can be sexualised in this digital age of social media etc...
...behave yourself, Arista, with your sticking up nonsense...I’m properly shook...
*ammi starts cancel Arista twitter campaign*
arista
10-09-2020, 06:59 PM
...I didn’t ‘stick up’, Arista ...and can you imagine my shock that you’re saying that’s what I’m doing...:laugh:...I posted some reviews that are pretty good reviews of the film so I won’t go Twitter cancel crazy vibe, until I’ve seen the film and the whole context of it ...because from the few reviews I’ve read...it doesn’t seem to sexualise, so much as show how children can be sexualised in this digital age of social media etc...
...behave yourself, Arista, with your sticking up nonsense...I’m properly shook...
You said
"I will have to watch it first"
You said
"I will have to watch it first"
...indeed I did say that...would it not be necessary to watch a movie before cancelling it, do you think...?...
Oliver_W
10-09-2020, 07:05 PM
I wouldn't recommend watching that thing, you might end up on a government watchlist...
arista
10-09-2020, 07:07 PM
...indeed I did say that...would it not be necessary to watch a movie before cancelling it, do you think...?...
But its 11 year old girls used as sexual objects
arista
10-09-2020, 07:07 PM
I wouldn't recommend watching that thing, you might end up on a government watchlist...
Poor Ammi.
But its 11 year old girls used as sexual objects
...the context of the movie from its reviews, Arista...your ‘judgement’ may be guided by social media ‘cancelling’ and that’s cool, but mine isn’t...
Cuties opened to positive critics' reviews in Sundance due to its succinct portrayal of a sensitive topic. The film focuses on the very private experiences of a young girl who has grown up in a traditional family but is seduced by the overtly sexualised "dance clique" that her friend runs. The film tries to critically analyse a media culture and society that pushes or inspires young and impressionable girls to sexualisation. According to The Hollywood Reporter, the film "establishes its critical view of a culture that steers impressionable young girls toward the hyper-sexualization of their bodies". Screen Daily also felt that the film was for mature audiences and "explicitly designed to shock mature audiences into contemplation of today's destruction of innocence".
Originally titled Mignonnes, the largely well-received French-language film premiered earlier this year at the Sundance Film Festival, won the World Cinema Dramatic Directing Award. If anything, the film appears to be a comment on the hyper-sexualisation of children, the very thing that critics are objecting to. It was well-received for its mature handling of hyper-sensitive topics.
Poor Ammi.
...poor Ammi...
Oliver_W
10-09-2020, 09:35 PM
Cuties, Netflix review: a provocative powder-keg for an age terrified of child sexuality (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/cuties-netflix-reviewa-provocative-powder-keg-age-terrified/?fbclid=IwAR1-B4KM3wnw1c1EhThPrNYc91o6L8h6Avtrjp1muU2pAhAAzmDbxG VCL2w)
Articles like that don't help defend the movie tbh :joker:
A lot of the controversy could have been avoided if they went for the "Dawson Casting" approach.
Cherie
10-09-2020, 09:51 PM
Making "social commentary" is no excuse for this, I mean really...
mcVxiRsol9A
:umm2:
Cherie
10-09-2020, 09:52 PM
Cuties, Netflix review: a provocative powder-keg for an age terrified of child sexuality (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/cuties-netflix-reviewa-provocative-powder-keg-age-terrified/?fbclid=IwAR1-B4KM3wnw1c1EhThPrNYc91o6L8h6Avtrjp1muU2pAhAAzmDbxG VCL2w)
Articles like that don't help defend the movie tbh :joker:
A lot of the controversy could have been avoided if they went for the "Dawson Casting" approach.
Terrified of child sexuality.? .nice ..happy to be terrified
michael21
10-09-2020, 10:27 PM
Netflix
enjoy the money they make
Green man you much cancel your internet become without internet there no Netflix
Denver
10-09-2020, 10:36 PM
The question should be is why is it allowed to happen in the first place? Not that its being aired as a TV show
user104658
11-09-2020, 12:25 AM
Neh the more I see and read about this, the worse it gets. It doesn't matter if it's a well made film or what the message is; the content is horrendous visually and unquestionably exploitative of the child actors who are in the film, to such an extent that I'd call it negligent or even abusive. This should never have been allowed to be made using real child actors. Not in the name of art, nor anything else.
user104658
11-09-2020, 12:29 AM
Cuties, Netflix review: a provocative powder-keg for an age terrified of child sexuality (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/cuties-netflix-reviewa-provocative-powder-keg-age-terrified/?fbclid=IwAR1-B4KM3wnw1c1EhThPrNYc91o6L8h6Avtrjp1muU2pAhAAzmDbxG VCL2w)
Articles like that don't help defend the movie tbh :joker:
A lot of the controversy could have been avoided if they went for the "Dawson Casting" approach.
"Forget the moral panic – Netflix’s controversial French import is disturbing and risqué because that’s exactly what it aims to be"
...by using actual children to push a provocative conversation topic. Wow aren't those film makers edgy!!
Honestly I can only imagine that the people writing these articles haven't realised that the half naked (and apparently, there is partial nudity) children in the film are actual children who cannot possibly have known what they were making "for the adults to have a good ol' think about". Vile.
Cherie
11-09-2020, 05:38 AM
"Forget the moral panic – Netflix’s controversial French import is disturbing and risqué because that’s exactly what it aims to be"
...by using actual children to push a provocative conversation topic. Wow aren't those film makers edgy!!
Honestly I can only imagine that the people writing these articles haven't realised that the half naked (and apparently, there is partial nudity) children in the film are actual children who cannot possibly have known what they were making "for the adults to have a good ol' think about". Vile.
It’s a paedo’s dream dressed up as art, was it Slim posted a video a while back from some TV show where kids dressed up as adults and sang in the 80s, it’s as vile as that, for once Twitter is spot on
I have watched the first 30 minutes, the ‘story’ so far is very basic
Making "social commentary" is no excuse for this, I mean really...
mcVxiRsol9A
What in the name of God was that! They can keep their arty farty 'social commentary'; I don't care what it is about, using children like that is just WRONG.
Nicky91
11-09-2020, 11:30 AM
...’cancel culture’ is becoming a real problem if it fully know what it’s cancelling...
+1
and it is twitter we talk about, lots of vile people on there who are also absolutely clueless
Calderyon
11-09-2020, 11:36 AM
Netflix deserves this as do the ones who have made it.
Oliver_W
11-09-2020, 12:20 PM
Gawd, can you imagine being hired as a casting director for this?! Whoever it was had to sit through probably hundred auditions of little girls twerking etc.
I don't care if the film does reflect the lived experiences of the writer/director, there are some things that shouldn't be depicted like that.
arista
11-09-2020, 12:22 PM
What in the name of God was that! They can keep their arty farty 'social commentary'; I don't care what it is about, using children like that is just WRONG.
Yes something Ammi
needs to Learn.
..Arista, if you keep picking on me, I am going to come up there and hit you...
...I have nothing to add to this thread../..topic atm ...and really don’t wish to be referred to personally in any way..
arista
11-09-2020, 12:32 PM
..Arista, if you keep picking on me, I am going to come up there and hit you...
OK
But it gets many parents on tibb
Angry.
OK
But it gets many parents on tibb
Angry.
...they’re probably the good parents, Arista....meet the bad one...
Oliver_W
11-09-2020, 03:00 PM
Re the poster thing, even if the one Netflix used wasn't the original poster, it's clearly a publicity shot taken for the movie, rather than a screengrab.
Oliver_W
12-09-2020, 09:27 AM
Some posts I've seen on twitter are calling the backlash to this movie "right wing", which I really don't get? Surely if any issue is universal, it should be the sexualisation of children, how on earth would anything think people taking an issue with the movie are automatically on the right?
Cherie
12-09-2020, 10:07 AM
Some posts I've seen on twitter are calling the backlash to this movie "right wing", which I really don't get? Surely if any issue is universal, it should be the sexualisation of children, how on earth would anything think people taking an issue with the movie are automatically on the right?
Great way to shut down any dissent
Oliver_W
12-09-2020, 10:40 AM
Great way to shut down any dissent
True, but if being against that makes one right wing, then sign me up Scotty!
user104658
12-09-2020, 11:21 AM
Some posts I've seen on twitter are calling the backlash to this movie "right wing", which I really don't get? Surely if any issue is universal, it should be the sexualisation of children, how on earth would anything think people taking an issue with the movie are automatically on the right?
Great way to shut down any dissent
Indeed... thinking that exploitation in the name of art is OK is "edgy" - if you're not "edgy enough to get it" then you are not getting with the programme and - because one of the fundamental principles of tribalism is a lack of nuance and black-and-white thinking - you must therefore be "right wing".
I've seen a lot of people say that it's a great social commentary and a great film just with "a few shocking moments". These are real child actors and if you can't make your film without those shocking moments being explicit rather than implied, then it simply doesn't matter how important the message is. No message is important enough to exploit pre-adolescent actors who have no way of giving genuine consent, and no parent has the right to consent to this on behalf of their child. It's a step too far.
i'm not a fan of censorship particularly by twitter warriors. It's on a subscription service and we each have the choice to watch it or not. Why is it considered correct that we should dictate what others watch or don't watch. The programme will have been given an age appropriate rating like all other netflix shows
user104658
12-09-2020, 11:27 AM
i'm not a fan of censorship particularly by twitter warriors. It's on a subscription service and we each have the choice to watch it or not. Why is it considered correct that we should dictate what others watch or don't watch. The programme will have been given an age appropriate rating like all other netflix shows
It features underage actors twerking their crotches at the camera and one scene of a topless pre-adolescent child.
I'd possibly even agree with you if this was animated or computer generated imagery, but these are scenes featuring actual children, they aren't characters, they aren't props, they aren't vessels for a message, they are actual people who have been used exploitatively without consent in the name of "creating art".
Again, its a step too far.
Also, I don't think the message is that regulatory bodies should shut down Netflix, its a call for Netflix subscribers to do exactly what you're talking about - "vote with their feet" and let Netflix know how they feel by hitting them in the pocket and cancelling their subscription.
Strictly Jake
12-09-2020, 11:46 AM
Its gross
But then so is tiktok in the same kind of way, all these young teenage girls are all doing the same moves to pretty rude songs. Saw a video if my nieces dancing to one and I had an absolute go at them. No 13 year old should be dancing like that especially on a social media site where you dont know who has access to it!
LukeB
12-09-2020, 11:48 AM
Its gross
But then so is tiktok in the same kind of way, all these young teenage girls are all doing the same moves to pretty rude songs. Saw a video if my nieces dancing to one and I had an absolute go at them. No 13 year old should be dancing like that especially on a social media site where you dont know who has access to it!
Was it the wap dance?
user104658
12-09-2020, 11:51 AM
Its gross
But then so is tiktok in the same kind of way, all these young teenage girls are all doing the same moves to pretty rude songs. Saw a video if my nieces dancing to one and I had an absolute go at them. No 13 year old should be dancing like that especially on a social media site where you dont know who has access to it!
I don't think you're entirely wrong and I think that is partly "the well intended message" of this film, however, I think the two issues are very different.
Kids doing these things on Social Media is a problem and comes from copying/learned behaviours but the ultimate responsibility in trying to get them not to do it lies with parents and guardians (and schools, etc.).
In the case of this film the problem is the imagery of actual children, massive consent problems and safeguarding issues. The film makers themselves aside - the responsibility of both buying the film to stream AND their hideous marketing of it are their responsibility.
Oliver_W
12-09-2020, 11:52 AM
i'm not a fan of censorship particularly by twitter warriors. It's on a subscription service and we each have the choice to watch it or not. Why is it considered correct that we should dictate what others watch or don't watch. The programme will have been given an age appropriate rating like all other netflix shows
This isn't about "cancelling" someone for a joke they made ten years ago. It's about child actors being exploited.
Strictly Jake
12-09-2020, 11:58 AM
Was it the wap dance?
No. It was probably savage love. But the song nor the dance is appropriate for their age. I told my sister about it but she says she isnt on tiktok so wasnt aware......I was like oh thats a good idea......!
Oliver_W
12-09-2020, 12:10 PM
Parents in general need to get more of a grip when it comes to social media tbh
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