Labour Party broke equality laws

[bots]

Labour Party was responsible for anti-Semitic discrimination and broke equality laws, human rights watchdog rules

Breaking news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

[arista]

Yes some now
want Corbyn removed from the Party

[arista]

The Labour Leader is Live

All media.


ITV1 News asked should the Former Leader still be in the party?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/29/10/34992640-0-image-a-16_1603966312992.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/29/11/34993626-8892435-image-a-35_1603969269887.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Note his mask is not on properly so he may have infected that lady with him.

[arista]

Note his mask is not on properly so he may have infected that lady with him.

Thats his Wife
as they leave their home.

[joeysteele]

I have always detested antisemitism.

I also did indicate I felt it wasn't riddled with it.
However,
This report actually is worse than even I though it would be.

Obviously I'm looking at these findings which highlight shocking and shameful instances which have badly affected past and present Labour MPs, members and voters too.

It is clearly not overexaggerated as many had claimed.

This is a disgraceful account of anti-Semitic instances in the Party.
Which the leadership and also that we as members failed to address.

It was once said atrociously to me, on here, my saying I had Jewish friends was like a racist saying he had black friends.
Not that anyone said anything about that being too personal to me.

I HAVE had Jewish friends from my childhood.
I would never support anti-Semitism in any shape or form.

I will wait to see what Starmer will be saying ongoing from this.
I do get the feeling, that Jewish leaders and communities feel Starmer has started well on this issue.
However starting well, is not enough.
Rapid action to clear out any who are anti-Semitic and all past dismissed cases looked at again too.

I believe Starmer has said this is a day of shame for Labour.
He HAS to ensure ALL who presided over this, who allowed it to continue, and particularly who now still claim over-exaggeration are held to account for where they have brought the Party to today.

No excuses from me, I've never ever set out to make any.
These findings are worse than I believed they would be.

Now, I need to personally consider my own thinking and relation to the Party.
A lot now depends on really how Starmer handles this now, how he addresses the intense hurt to long held Jewish members and MPs too.
More though, how he now sets about dealing with those who presided over this hateful discrimination.

There can be no place in Labour,nor should there be for anyone, no matter their position, past and present, who will still set out to diminish or dismiss these findings.

Starmer was in the Shadow Cabinet, he has to now completely disinfect himself from this hurtful tragic hurt of discrimination against Jewish MPs and members.
Also to show relentless pursuit of any holding any antisemitic views in Labour.
He needs to do that, for himself, the MPs now, the Party and its members, plus past MPs driven out, also Jewish voters whether Labour ones or not.

I am really saddened but even moreso annoyed.
The past leader assured all was being done, while it was allowed to get stronger.
That's shocking.
Absolutely shocking to have dismissed those genuinely concerned about anti-Semitism.
Absolutely shocking.

This is bad.

[Parmy]

I wonder if that con mp who was called scum by the labour mp was Jewish?

[The Slim Reaper]

I need to read the whole thing before I give any full comments on the report. However, It was always accepted that anti semitism exists in labour, just like society as a whole. My only issue was that it was being weaponised against the man who was an anti racist campaigner all his life, and who was counter protesting neo-nazi's in Jewish London boroughs before most of us were born.

All of this in service of a conservative leader that wrote a book full of anti semitic tropes and stereotypes, caused a 375% spike in hate crimes against Muslims with Islamophobic comments, made racist comments against black people, and homophobic comments against gay people.

[UserSince2005]

scum

[arista]

I need to read the whole thing before I give any full comments on the report. However, It was always accepted that anti semitism exists in labour, just like society as a whole. My only issue was that it was being weaponised against the man who was an anti racist campaigner all his life, and who was counter protesting neo-nazi's in Jewish London boroughs before most of us were born.

All of this in service of a conservative leader that wrote a book full of anti semitic tropes and stereotypes, caused a 375% spike in hate crimes against Muslims with Islamophobic comments, made racist comments against black people, and homophobic comments against gay people.

Forgive me if I don't take seriously the posters in this thread who are openly posting bigoted stuff in other threads at the same time as posting in here.


The Report
is 3 Breaches
Political Interference in the Labour Party

[arista]

scum


Do you Mean Old Corbyn

[The Slim Reaper]

The Report
is 3 Breaches
Political Interference in the Labour Party

Well that's cleared it all up. Thanks.

[UserSince2005]

Do you Mean Old Corbyn

labour affiliates in general

[arista]

Well that's cleared it all up. Thanks.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/29/11/34995646-8892435-image-a-39_1603971890686.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its why the GBP did not vote for him

They can tell a wrong un and they did

[bots]

The EHRC report found the Labour Party responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act, namely:

Political interference in anti-Semitism complaints
Failure to provide adequate training to those handling anti-Semitism complaints
Harassment
In a statement, it said: "The equality body's analysis points to a culture within the party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent anti-Semitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it."

The investigation found evidence of 23 instances of "inappropriate involvement" by Mr Corbyn's office, included staff influencing decisions on suspensions or whether to investigate a claim.

Some decisions, said the watchdog, were made because of "likely press interest rather than any formal criteria", and the party "adopted a practice of political interference".

The EHRC said the party's complaints process was inconsistent and lacking in transparency", with the email inbox "largely left unmonitored for a number of years" and "no action taken on the majority of complaints forwarded to it".

The watchdog said there had been recent improvements to the procedures, but the system was still "under-resourced and those responsible for it are not trained to the necessary standard".

The report also said the party was responsible for two cases of unlawful harassment, where anti-Semitic tropes were used and complaints were branded fake or smears.

It named former Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, and a local councillor, Pam Bromley, but said these were "only the tip of the iceberg", and a further 18 borderline cases were found.

Mr Livingstone later released a statement, he was "deeply hurt" by the accusations and "fully rejects" them, calling himself a "life-long anti-racist".

[The Slim Reaper]

The EHRC report found the Labour Party responsible for three breaches of the Equality Act, namely:

Political interference in anti-Semitism complaints
Failure to provide adequate training to those handling anti-Semitism complaints
Harassment
In a statement, it said: "The equality body's analysis points to a culture within the party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent anti-Semitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it."

The investigation found evidence of 23 instances of "inappropriate involvement" by Mr Corbyn's office, included staff influencing decisions on suspensions or whether to investigate a claim.

Some decisions, said the watchdog, were made because of "likely press interest rather than any formal criteria", and the party "adopted a practice of political interference".

The EHRC said the party's complaints process was inconsistent and lacking in transparency", with the email inbox "largely left unmonitored for a number of years" and "no action taken on the majority of complaints forwarded to it".

The watchdog said there had been recent improvements to the procedures, but the system was still "under-resourced and those responsible for it are not trained to the necessary standard".

The report also said the party was responsible for two cases of unlawful harassment, where anti-Semitic tropes were used and complaints were branded fake or smears.

It named former Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, and a local councillor, Pam Bromley, but said these were "only the tip of the iceberg", and a further 18 borderline cases were found.

Mr Livingstone later released a statement, he was "deeply hurt" by the accusations and "fully rejects" them, calling himself a "life-long anti-racist".

Labour, under Starmers stewardship did their own report, which was leaked back in April. It showed clearly this was a tactic by the right of the party to undermine the left of the party.

https://www.counterfire.org/articles/analysis/21098-labour-s-explosive-report-shows-how-right-wing-officials-sabotaged-the-party

https://novaramedia.com/2020/04/12/its-going-to-be-a-long-night-how-members-of-labours-senior-management-campaigned-to-lose/

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/29/11/34991412-8892435-Berger_the_Jewish_Liverpool_Wavertree_MP_faced_a_b arrage_of_atta-a-29_1603969269872.jpg
Back in Sept 2019 Luciana Berger MP
ended up joining the LibDems. (But voted out)
After joining the Failed/Pathetic Indie Party Group
(washed away at the General Election)

[The Slim Reaper]

What I will say, is that Corbyn should have just said he accepted the findings. There are days ahead to put individual points across, but today shouldn't have been one of them as the former leader.

[arista]

Corbyn on SkyNewsHD
is staying put.

He said he brought in the measures that are
helping this enquiry.


His Whip has been removed
Now Suspended from Labour


Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour party
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-suspended-from-labour-party-12117833

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

[Parmy]

Whens spitting image on next?

[The Slim Reaper]

Corbyn on SkyNewsHD
is staying put.

He said he brought in the measures that are
helping this enquiry.


His Whip has been removed
Now Suspended from Labour

And there goes starmers chance of ever being PM, unfortunately.

[arista]

Whens spitting image on next?


Saturday
but on BritBox only

[bots]

Corbyn has been suspended from the labour party and whip removed

[arista]

Corbyn has been suspended from the labour party and whip removed


Keep Up
already POSTED
at 1:12PM

[arista]

Corbyn on SkyNewsHD
is staying put.

He said he brought in the measures that are
helping this enquiry.


His Whip has been removed
Now Suspended from Labour


Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour party
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-suspended-from-labour-party-12117833

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425


my post

[bots]

Keep Up
already POSTED

it needed emphasis :fist:

[Kate!]

Corbyn has been suspended from the labour party and whip removed

yes was just gonna post this as breaking news. Oh dear.

[arista]

it needed emphasis :fist:


Sure
but you attacked me (covid thread)
when I posted something you posted before


So its Karma

[arista]

LBC have Corbyn on.


(the Joe Pike reporter SkyNewsHD interview)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sir Keir taking out the trash

:clap1:

[arista]

Corbyn will still be in Parliament
but as an Independent MP

[arista]

Sir Keir taking out the trash

:clap1:


He has no choice

[Zizu]

Corbyn has been suspended from the labour party and whip removed



Good riddance.

I hope to never hear of or see him ever again .


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[arista]

Good riddance.

I hope to never hear of or see him ever again .


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro



You will as he will be in Parliament
on Monday as an Independent MP


Maybe he will be hissed at?

[joeysteele]

And there goes starmers chance of ever being PM, unfortunately.

I think had Corbyn been more accepting of the inquiry's findings, to have then suspended him would have raised issues.

My feeling is, as a Party member, the mood is of sadness and anger at the findings of the inquiry and how we were assured ALL was being done.
When it wasn't according to these findings.

The issues are bad enough to raise massive questions about the former leadership and Starmer has said Labour will put in place ALL the recommendations of the inquiry.

With Corbyn still playing the findings down and even rejecting some of them.
That's not a good look.
I think Starmer's and Labour's rapid response to this further dismissal of the findings by Corbyn.
Will see more likely support for Starmer.

Where it's all going to end up 4 years from now however, depends on how well this issue is dealt with.

[Liam-]

The report proved that the Labour Party isn’t institutionally antisemitic, so he was fully correct in saying that the problem was purposefully overestimated, two instances of antisemitism is still too many, but it’s clear that as day that the accusations of an antisemitic stronghold that stretched through the entire ranks was a political game by people more scared of true systemic change than anything else.

Meanwhile, Starmer still refuses to hold an investigation into the racial abuse against multiple black MP’s because they’re not on his side of the party, this is a political grandstand, can he be blamed? No, he wasn’t to be prime minster, but it doesn’t really sit right

[The Slim Reaper]

I think had Corbyn been more accepting of the inquiry's findings, to have then suspended him would have raised issues.

My feeling is, as a Party member, the mood is of sadness and anger at the findings of the inquiry and how we were assured ALL was being done.
When it wasn't according to these findings.

The issues are bad enough to raise massive questions about the former leadership and Starmer has said Labour will put in place ALL the recommendations of the inquiry.

With Corbyn still playing the findings down and even rejecting some of them.
That's not a good look.
I think Starmer's and Labour's rapid response to this further dismissal of the findings by Corbyn.
Will see more likely support for Starmer.

Where it's all going to end up 4 years from now however, depends on how well this issue is dealt with.

I think the problem, Joey, is that labours own internal report showed that corbyn was being scapegoated by the blairite wing of the party. This was an independent report under Starmers leadership, and the report was buried. Today isn't the day to have the argument about the details though, so Corbyn should have just said he accepted it and kept it moving.

This won't provide any more support for Starmer though. He's just alienated the grassroots wing of the party, the tories he will try to win over aren't really bothered about any of this as the person they voted for and supported is openly and unashamedly racist.

He'll probably get some of the red wall back but not because of this, because of the govs handling of covid, the recession, and the pain of brexit on the horizon.

[joeysteele]

The report proved that the Labour Party isn’t institutionally antisemitic, so he was fully correct in saying that the problem was purposefully overestimated, two instances of antisemitism is still too many, but it’s clear that as day that the accusations of an antisemitic stronghold that stretched through the entire ranks was a political game by people more scared of true systemic change than anything else.

I never thought the Labour party was institutionally antisemitic.
Had it done so, I would have left the Party today myself.

However, I do feel this is still very bad as it finds those raising the issues were dismissed by the leadership and those he claimed were dealing with it justly and fairly.
When that wasn't the case.

I took his word as a member but now find it was not so from the findings of the failings of dealing with it from this inquiry.

I've no doubt the row was used against Corbyn..
However, for me, he should have just accepted the findings and expressed regret.

I welcomed this inquiry into this after so much clouding of the issues.
I just want all the recommendations put in place in full from it too.

Yes however, as far as it can be welcomed after being told the Party has unlawfully discriminated against others in an anti-Semitic way.
I do welcome that the Labour party was not and is not, institutionally anti-Semitic.

[joeysteele]

I think the problem, Joey, is that labours own internal report showed that corbyn was being scapegoated by the blairite wing of the party. This was an independent report under Starmers leadership, and the report was buried. Today isn't the day to have the argument about the details though, so Corbyn should have just said he accepted it and kept it moving.

This won't provide any more support for Starmer though. He's just alienated the grassroots wing of the party, the tories he will try to win over aren't really bothered about any of this as the person they voted for and supported is openly and unashamedly racist.

He'll probably get some of the red wall back but not because of this, because of the govs handling of covid, the recession, and the pain of brexit on the horizon.

Yes I agree, it's worrying.

[bots]

i think Keir will attract a lot of voters. We can't predict how our country is going to be in a months time so predicting 3 years ahead (we had a year already nearly) is quite impossible. The first step in bringing back normality is Trump being beaten next week. If he wins we are ****ed, if he loses the political tide will turn around the world

[arista]

Man faces jail for harassing three Labour MPs

[He has pleaded guilty to three counts
of sending communications of an offensive nature,
after repeatedly calling the serving MPs' offices.]

[Dame Margaret Hodge said she was
branded a "racist Zionist" by Nelson.

In a statement from her read in court, the Labour MP
said she was left "disturbed and shocked"
by the "vitriol and implied threats"
levelled at her because of her Jewish identity - including
calling her a "disgusting scumbag".]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54722726

[Kizzy]

A good principled man has been pilloried, it's a dark day for Labour they just lost my vote.

And before any accusations I too accept that as in all parties there were cases of genuine antisemitism, however to criticise one parties procedures with only a fleeting mention as to the efforts made to tackle the issue is unfair.

Starmer scapegoating Corbyn is a stupid move.

[arista]

A good principled man has been pilloried, it's a dark day for Labour they just lost my vote.

And before any accusations I too accept that as in all parties there were cases of genuine antisemitism, however to criticise one parties procedures with only a fleeting mention as to the efforts made to tackle the issue is unfair.

Starmer scapegoating Corbyn is a stupid move.


You Going LibDem then?

[Ammi]

...Kizzy might start her own political Party...why be a follower, why not be a leader...

[arista]

...Kizzy might start her own political Party...why be a follower, why not be a leader...


No it is too Expensive

[Kizzy]

...Kizzy might start her own political Party...why be a follower, why not be a leader...

My policies are a 4 day week and mandatory hygge can I count on your vote?

[Cherie]

Sure
but you attacked me (covid thread)
when I posted something you posted before


So its Karma

:joker:

[Cherie]

My policies are a 4 day week and mandatory hygge can I count on your vote?

I'm already on a 3 day week so no I won't be voting for you :hee:

[bots]

the first step in labour moving forward is acceptance that there is/was an issue. The amount of denial on display is pretty grim ... not just here ... but in general

[The Slim Reaper]

the first step in labour moving forward is acceptance that there is/was an issue. The amount of denial on display is pretty grim ... not just here ... but in general

They probably don't need insincere concern trolling from tories though. I'm not labour, either, they're just the choice I have to make as the greens aren't viable, and there is no socialist party for me to vote for.

[bots]

They probably don't need insincere concern trolling from tories though. I'm not labour, either, they'e just the choice I have to make as the greens aren't viable, and there is no socialist party for me to vote for.

I've never voted for the tory party and never will, so if you are referring to me, think again

[Ammi]

My policies are a 4 day week and mandatory hygge can I count on your vote?

...most certainly...:love:...you would still have had my vote with a 5 day working week...

[The Slim Reaper]

I've never voted for the tory party and never will, so if you are referring to me, think again

... not just here ... but in general

[Jack_]

I've never voted for the tory party and never will, so if you are referring to me, think again

You’ve definitely said the opposite before

dont think he is credible

The mess was entirely the fault of May, I'm a tory voter, but she has had an absolutely disastrous campaign, the only good thing to come out of this is that hard brexit has gone.

[Liam-]

Oop

[Kizzy]

I'm already on a 3 day week so no I won't be voting for you :hee:

We can't all be kept women cherie...

[bots]

... not just here ... but in general

haha fair enough, don't you agree that there is a great deal of deflection and whataboutism going on though too? The tory party have never been as radical in my life time as they are now, but that doesn't remove the faults there are in the labour party, does it? Labour wont be able to move on as long as they stick with the mantra that Corbyn was a gift from the gods. There is actually a lot of similarity to the way trump supporters view their idol

[Parmy]

Unlawfull actions...


Get them jailed, the scum that they are.

[joeysteele]

Oh, I'll stick with Labour, I believe in fighting for right from within not walking away.

I did state a while back, if the findings were Labour was riddled with anti-Semitism.
I'd turn away from the Party.

That is not the conclusion so in fairness any who stated it was were incorrect.

However, as members who asked a lot about anti-Semitism in the Party and was it being treated seriously and cases acted on properly.

We were assured the leadership had put in place the right procedures to deal with it and stamp it out.

These findings say that's not so.
So that leadership has lost my respect.

However, it's the policies that matter for me going forward now.
Starmer still has to ensure every recommendation from this inquiry is put in place.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

We can't all be kept women cherie...

Greens not your colour, I’m well paid for what I do actually :hee:

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElgzahIWoAER0Ra?format=jpg&name=360x360
Rachel Riley (Ch4HD Countdown)

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElgzahIWoAER0Ra?format=jpg&name=360x360
Rachel Riley (Ch4HD Countdown)

That picture of Corbyn was when he was protesting against apartheid in south Africa. That's how much he's been ridiculously smeared. Mr immigrants in boats has found his moral compass, and it has to do with left v right, not actual racism.

Nigel Farage supporters pretending they care about Jews is precious.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Black Dagger]

Keir is nothing but a tory bootlicker and a waste of space.

[reece(:]

This Labour in-fighting is going to cause an even worst result in 2024. Totally unnecessary suspension.

[The Slim Reaper]

If you have a free 8 minutes, then please give this a watch.

1321762219017854977

[Parmy]

If you have a free 8 minutes, then please give this a watch.

1321762219017854977

I will if you put it in a spoiler.

[Kizzy]

Greens not your colour, I’m well paid for what I do actually :hee:

If smug was a colour it would suit you :hee:

[Kizzy]

If you have a free 8 minutes, then please give this a watch.

1321762219017854977

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[joeysteele]

If you have a free 8 minutes, then please give this a watch.

1321762219017854977


It's a powerful message
I've canvassed alongside Jewish members of the Labour party in 2 elections under Corbyn.
They'd say much the same as what is said in that video.

I've never stated and still won't, also I do not think that Corbyn is antisemitic.
I think it was a character assassination project..
As in 2015 when the media attacked the Miliband's deceased Father.

This guy is right, the media needs to be held more accountable too.

However, Corbyn today, needed to say, he accepted in full the inquiry's findings and accept the failings they directed to the leadership.

We cannot have anything evasive now.
It's too big an issue.
Today the Labour party needed to show some humility.
Accept the findings.
Ensure this can never be levelled at us again.
Corbyn needed to help that process, not attempt to question it

I think suspension is a possible divisive move and maybe unnecessary.
I understand Jeremy Corbyn was asked if he'd retract his criticism of the findings but chose not to.
That's why he was suspended.

No however, I don't think he is anti-Semitic and that was a really good and strong video.

[Cherie]

If smug was a colour it would suit you :hee:

Happy to be :smug:

[Kizzy]

You're not my target audience tbh anyway, I'm more for the just about managings not the privileged karens.

[arista]

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[arista]

This Labour in-fighting is going to cause an even worst result in 2024. Totally unnecessary suspension.

NewsnightHD bbc2 (29/10/20)
spent the whole Program on Corbyn

The Best bit was the Jewish Fella (who is Pro Corbyn)
getting Very Angry with the BBC Scottish Presenter
at the very end,
Steve Richards also there.

[utopianman]

This is disgraceful

[Parmy]

Get him jailed, him and his far left conspiracy theorists...bunch of crackpots that need sectioned.

[Cherie]

You're not my target audience tbh anyway, I'm more for the just about managings not the privileged karens.

Finally something in common both politically homeless Karen’s :sad:

[Oliver_W]

Ehh, Sir Kier had little choice but to suspend Corbyn. He just had to start yapping on about the report is exaggerated etc, not long after Sir Kier had said that no-one in his party was to play it down.

[bots]

what i find amusing is the way senior labour mp's are currently squirming trying to back track on statements they made publicly in the past

[joeysteele]

Ehh, Sir Kier had little choice but to suspend Corbyn. He just had to start yapping on about the report is exaggerated etc, not long after Sir Kier had said that no-one in his party was to play it down.

That's the only real reason he was suspended.

I welcomed this inquiry, I knew there'd be issues identified, I hoped for less but it concluded more than I myself thought.
I never accepted the Party was institutionally anti-Semitic as media and the Con supporters were portraying it to be.

This report did not find that.
It highlighted however unacceptable and wrong and unlawful discrimination.

You cannot come out and then say, the report was over- exaggerated or wrong in its findings..
As you stated, Starmer made that very point..he had accepted in full the inquiry's findings and committed himself to put in place ALL its recommendations.

It was therefore sad to see Jeremy Corbyn go against that correct acceptance of this inquiry's findings.
By trying to question and dismiss some of the findings in the report too.

It's not, and never would be a good look, to suspend a former leader.
However Jeremy left Starmer with no choice.

We'd have had the media, the Cons and all Jewish groups screaming of lip service only had he not.
Yes, there's the union voice of McCluskey on about losing elections.

What does he think happened in the last one for goodness sake!
He's another dinosaur of politics who only courts controversy.

I make still no apology for supporting Corbyn's policies.
I still think they are needed, likely more than ever after this pandemic too.
With a Country rebuilt on a fairer and more compassionate society hopefully.

I hope Starmer retains much of those policies.
That is what I will judge him on.

The moment sadly, that Jeremy set out to play down this inquiry's findings, he put Starmer into a position of doing nothing or acting to reinforce the right thing to do, in accepting the inquiry's results in full.

Starmer had to suspend once Jeremy refused to retract his comments.

It's time for this Country to get and demand, leaders and former leaders who will just accept they got some things wrong.
They'd gain far more respect in my view, and would warrant same if they did.

[joeysteele]

what i find amusing is the way senior labour mp's are currently squirming trying to back track on statements they made publicly in the past

Well maybe in part they said it taking the word of the leadership, as I did.

Before this inquiry.
Which was held to give the facts and truth on it.

Which is now known.
So obviously in light of facts and truth.
There will be an altering of views of statements believed at the time.

It's why I welcomed this inquiry.

Your party may do well too to have a similar inquiry as Baroness Warsi has pretty strong views of what's wrong there too.

Maybe then your Con senior MPs could end up changing their tune too.

[bots]

labour may be having a painful time now, but once the recommendations are implemented they can start pointing the finger at other parties who are obviously not innocent. They can use it to their advantage if they are smart about it

[arista]

Corbyn
Like Trump
never says sorry

[joeysteele]

Corbyn
Like Trump
never says sorry

It seems few want to say sorry.
It's not a word the present PM seems to have in his vocabulary either.

However, Corbyn didn't even need to say sorry, although it would have been appropriate after the criticism in this report of the leadership's office.
All he had to say was he accepted the findings of the report .

Rather than question it.

[Oliver_W]

Corbyn: Antisemitism is bad but...
Starmer: Antisemitism is bad.

[Kizzy]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/5ACB/production/_115134232_mail-nc.png


Can we all take a moment to soak in the hypocrisy?...


The moment of greatest shame in the history of the labour party... Has the Iraq war been forgotten about then? Because I thought having a warmonger for a leader was the worst thing?

[The Slim Reaper]

Corbyn: Antisemitism is bad but...
Starmer: Antisemitism is bad.

This is bollocks Oliver.

[Nicky91]

Labour in the UK is one big ******* mess

[Cherie]

The mask under his nose is annoying me

[Oliver_W]

This is bollocks Oliver.

Well sure, maybe a bit.

But blabbing on about "all racism is bad" when the issue is antisemitism is similar to saying "All Lives Matter"

[jet]

It's about time the anti semite enabler and terrorist sympathising narcissist got his comeuppance. :clap1:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

If people really stop supporting Labour over this, they weren't Labour voters anyway, they were Corbyn voters.

Even before the suspension he was unlikely to ever be a big player in politics again, so really ... Why does it matter?

[joeysteele]

If people really stop supporting Labour over this, they weren't Labour voters anyway, they were Corbyn voters.

Even before the suspension he was unlikely to ever be a big player in politics again, so really ... Why does it matter?

Labour has been here before, although not with the antisemitism issue.

In the main, it appears the stronger left of Labour remain in the party eventually.
Despite the trauma.
Neil Kinnock survived his reforming of the party.
The left remained in the party overall.

It's usually the more right of the party that run away and whinge on.

As you say, Jeremy was now on the backbenches and possibly even likely to stand down at the next election too anyway.

I still like the policies he put in place, they needed streamlining as there were just too many to be done too soon.
However I hope that is where Labour stands with the people who would have benefited from most of those policies Corbyn put in place.

He was misguided to just not say something like, the inquiry has been completed, its findings need to be addressed and recommendations implemented.

Adding nothing else, he would have not been suspended.
He'll get his chance to put his own case.

I don't think Starmer could have made it clearer however.
No one will be tolerated who would still try to deny the findings of the inquiry or that anti-Semitism had become a problem in Labour.

Yet Jeremy chose to even dismiss the findings in part.
That's not acceptable.

We owe a lot to Jewish MPs and members over decade after decade.
This has to be eradicated fully from the party membership.
For me, Starmer has done right..
We may lose members who aren't happy with what happened with Corbyn.

I'm not happy, no one wants a former leader suspended from the party.
By the same token, we can't have former leaders dismissing an inquiry's findings such as this inquiry has.

That is more divisive and wrong than anything Starmer has so far done and is trying to do too.

[bots]

the labour party need voters, the number of members really doesn't matter that much. If the left leaning members leave and that allows policies that make labour more electable then that is surely a good thing. That's my take anyway :laugh:

[Parmy]

It seems few want to say sorry.
It's not a word the present PM seems to have in his vocabulary either.

However, Corbyn didn't even need to say sorry, although it would have been appropriate after the criticism in this report of the leadership's office.
All he had to say was he accepted the findings of the report .

Rather than question it.



I've heard boris say sorry many many times as he gave us the covid news.

[joeysteele]

I've heard boris say sorry many many times as he gave us the covid news.

He's said sorry for what he is now setting out to do.
Not for anything he's failed to do when needed, as to the testing, the PPE equipment and the unnecessary deaths of peoples loved ones in care homes.

He dares to claim success for his covid chaos of procrastination and incompetence.

As for deaths of others loved ones, he can't even bring himself to even just now offer condolences to the bereaved.

Sorry needs to be meant as well as said.
Sorry in the true sense of the word is NOT in Johnson's vocabulary.

Then why does he need it to be, when his supporters jump in to defend him at every opportunity.
When he's not even bothered a jot about others lost loved ones possibly.

Actually this thread is about the inquiry into Labour and antisemitism.

Corbyn has said sorry a few times in relation to it, however then dismisses in part the results of the inquiry.

As I said, sorry, has to be meant to be valid, not just said.

[The Slim Reaper]

the labour party need voters, the number of members really doesn't matter that much. If the left leaning members leave and that allows policies that make labour more electable then that is surely a good thing. That's my take anyway :laugh:

I don't think 2 tory parties is in anyone's interests, even tory voters. Corbyn's policies were extremely popular when polled individually, it was just the propagandistic smearing that people fell for.

[The Slim Reaper]

He's said sorry for what he is now setting out to do.
Not for anything he's failed to do when needed, as to the testing, the PPE equipment and the unnecessary deaths of peoples loved ones in care homes.

He dares to claim success for his covid chaos of procrastination and incompetence.

As for deaths of others loved ones, he can't even bring himself to even just now offer condolences to the bereaved.

Sorry needs to be meant as well as said.
Sorry in the true sense of the word is NOT in Johnson's vocabulary.

Then why does he need it to be, when his supporters jump in to defend him at every opportunity.
When he's not even bothered a jot about others lost loved ones possibly.

Actually this thread is about the inquiry into Labour and antisemitism.

Corbyn has said sorry a few times in relation to it, however then dismisses in part the results of the inquiry.

As I said, sorry, has to be meant to be valid, not just said.

I don't remember boris apologising for his Islamophobia, anti semitism, homophobia and racism, either.

[joeysteele]

I don't think 2 tory parties is in anyone's interests, even tory voters. Corbyn's policies were extremely popular when polled individually, it was just the propagandistic smearing that people fell for.


I agree Slim.

I canvassed in December and I have to admit, on the doorsteps we found an anti Corbyn element.
However the most anger was on brexit.

We got a lot of, '' you're policy on brexit is nonsense, it makes no sense''.
Time after time we got that, in words something like that.

Sometimes fairly politely put, other times fird out in quite strong language and even abuse.

However, once even some of them got on about the policies.
They liked the policies.
So I'd like to see the policies largely remain..

The other problem was they didn't believe the policies could be achievable.
There was too much promised and way too many.
However, quantified and qualified more, Labour would be unwise to throw out the policies Corbyn brought to the forefront.

After this pandemic, a new vision will be needed, more compassionate and fairer policies.
Whatever else, Corbyn brought into being policies Labour should have had years, even decades before.

On the doorstep we didn't find anti-Semitism was an issue voters would decide voting on.
However it was felt, an almighty mess had been made by the leader and his advisors on that too.

[joeysteele]

I don't remember boris apologising for his Islamophobia, anti semitism, homophobia and racism, either.

Nor for that poor Wife and Mother stuck in Iran and facing more charges.
In part because of Johnson's dangerous comments he made about her when he was Foreign secretary.
Not, that it will matter to those ever eager to jump in and defend him, no matter what he says or does.

[The Slim Reaper]

The late, great, Jewish academic David Graeber.

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[The Slim Reaper]

I agree Slim.

I canvassed in December and I have to admit, on the doorsteps we found an anti Corbyn element.
However the most anger was on brexit.

We got a lot of, '' you're policy on brexit is nonsense, it makes no sense''.
Time after time we got that, in words something like that.

Sometimes fairly politely put, other times fird out in quite strong language and even abuse.

However, once even some of them got on about the policies.
They liked the policies.
So I'd like to see the policies largely remain..

The other problem was they didn't believe the policies could be achievable.
There was too much promised and way too many.
However, quantified and qualified more, Labour would be unwise to throw out the policies Corbyn brought to the forefront.

After this pandemic, a new vision will be needed, more compassionate and fairer policies.
Whatever else, Corbyn brought into being policies Labour should have had years, even decades before.

On the doorstep we didn't find anti-Semitism was an issue voters would decide voting on.
However it was felt, an almighty mess had been made by the leader and his advisors on that too.

And why didn't they believe a fairer society was/is achievable? Because they read every day about how the main issues causing the problems in the UK were foreigners/immigrants and the EU.

I hope you're right about a post covid society being more equal, just like the end of WW2 brought about a more socialist agenda like the NHS for a brief period, but our media is so tory and so influential, that unless the poisoning of peoples minds is addressed, then there is absolutely no chance anything good comes from it.

We have posters on here still calling it the evil china virus as an example, and they didn't arrive at that opinion on their own, they've been force fed.

[Kizzy]

If people really stop supporting Labour over this, they weren't Labour voters anyway, they were Corbyn voters.

Even before the suspension he was unlikely to ever be a big player in politics again, so really ... Why does it matter?

That's not true at all.

You have to take into consideration the shift in the party ethos. And the adherence to due process in respect of how to react to the views of MPs including Mr Corbyn.
He was misquoted and the knee jerk reaction was to suspend him, that was the wrong thing to do.

It effectively sent out the message that he is the fall guy and to appease his detractors he had to go. Without acknowledging he made a valid point.

The public understanding was that up to a third of members were antisemitic, the true number as found was 0.3% this is an absolutely massive discrepancy and warranted a mention.

He was clear that 0.3% was too many too, the findings were not downplayed at all, it was never intimated the damage was overestimated or the response to the found failings in the party were. The only overestimate was how widespread the problem was within the party membership, for me that clarification was justified.

It's needed because of posts like this and others where for some reason supporting Corbyn can lead to unfounded accusations of antisemitism.

[Oliver_W]

That's not true at all.

You have to take into consideration the shift in the party ethos. And the adherence to due process in respect of how to react to the views of MPs including Mr Corbyn.
He was misquoted and the knee jerk reaction was to suspend him, that was the wrong thing to do.

It effectively sent out the message that he is the fall guy and to appease his detractors he had to go. Without acknowledging he made a valid point.

The public understanding was that up to a third of members were antisemitic, the true number as found was 0.3% this is an absolutely massive discrepancy and warranted a mention.

He was clear that 0.3% was too many too, the findings were not downplayed at all, it was never intimated the damage was overestimated or the response to the found failings in the party were. The only overestimate was how widespread the problem was within the party membership, for me that clarification was justified.

It's needed because of posts like this and others where for some reason supporting Corbyn can lead to unfounded accusations of antisemitism.
His first reaction to the report was to say it was overstated, and that he abhors all forms of racism, when the report wasn't about "all forms" of racism. Maybe he should have thrown in an #AllLivesMatter too?

Or maybe he should have apologised that the problem reached the height it did under his watch, and left it at that.

[The Slim Reaper]

His first reaction to the report was to say it was overstated, and that he abhors all forms of racism, when the report wasn't about "all forms" of racism. Maybe he should have thrown in an #AllLivesMatter too?

Or maybe he should have apologised that the problem reached the height it did under his watch, and left it at that.

It didn't. The problem actually decreased from the time labour had a Jewish leader in Milliband (2015) through Corbyn's leadership. The EHRC report actually criticised Corbyn for trying to interfere and make sure reports were being dealt with as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

[utopianman]

I don't remember boris apologising for his Islamophobia, anti semitism, homophobia and racism, either.

Woudldnt it be nice to have just 1 political discussion without someone either discriminating or being accused of discriminating ? It seems identity politics has taken over politics completely, to the point that using the wrong word now gets more headlines and police time than serious violent crimes or tens of thousands of innocent people dying of covid care homes We really need to behave better and to find a better balance

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Elkz4CzXIAAZM_T?format=jpg&name=small

[The Slim Reaper]

Woudldnt it be nice to have just 1 political discussion without someone either discriminating or being accused of discriminating ? It seems identity politics has taken over politics completely, to the point that using the wrong word now gets more headlines and police time than serious violent crimes or tens of thousands of innocent people dying of covid care homes We really need to behave better and to find a better balance

:dance:

[Oliver_W]

:joker:

Is it against the rules to speculate whose multi that was? Views and prose don't really match anyone current or recent?

[arista]

:joker:

Is it against the rules to speculate whose multi that was? Views and prose don't really match anyone current or recent?


Brillo
or The Truth

has gone

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.redpepper.org.uk/being-jewish-in-north-islington-labour-party/

Being Jewish in North Islington Labour Party

Calling for Jeremy Corbyn's reinstatement, Lynne Segal looks back on her experience of 40 years as a party member in his constituency

It is with the heaviest of hearts that I have to write, yet again, about being a Jewish member of the Labour Party in Jeremy Corbyn’s constituency. So let me tell you at once that it has been terrible, almost unbearable. We have had to watch a wholly false, but soon unstoppable, invention of charges of antisemitism against our MP, with our own views as Jewish members completely ignored.

Right now, along with the many other Jewish activists I know in Islington North, I am simply devastated that this process has climaxed in the suspension of our cherished MP, and former leader. It’s so hard to accept that I must repeat again what every Jewish member I know in Islington North has frequently confirmed and it is we who actually know and regularly meet with Jeremy Corbyn – unlike most of critics. What we can confirm is that as Jews in North Islington we have always felt more than safe, more than welcome, unfailingly supported, in everything we do in the borough, and the Party. As it happens, we often feel this all the more strongly as Jews, knowing that *– unlike Corbyn – so many who choose to speak in our name completely disrespect our commitment to antisemitism and racism of all kinds in struggles for a better world, including the vital struggle for Palestinian rights.

Personally, I have known Jeremy Corbyn since helping to get him selected, then elected, almost 40 years ago. However, battles to discredit Corbyn as antisemitic began some three decades later, after, and only after, his quite unexpected victory as leader of the party; indeed, from the very day of his victory. Methods first used by Corbyn’s opponents were the routine ways of attacking the radical Left, as ‘unrealistic’, ‘unpatriotic’, and so on. However, after his relative success in the elections of 2017, these easily verifiable systematic attempts were hugely amplified in order to undermine his leadership. Indeed, they moved into orchestrated denunciations that he was presiding over a party that was ‘institutionally anti-Semitic’. It is obviously much harder to refute an accusation that easily triggers panic and paranoia, placing those trying to assess the situation in the line of fire, even when Jewish.

Until very recently, the real prevalence of antisemitism in any political party remained unaddressed. It was only in the last few years, under Corbyn, that continuing investigations into antisemitism began in the LP. Tragically, this served as much to confuse as enlighten people, in ways too numerous to list here, but clearly tied in with Corbyn’s support for Palestinian rights, and the later introduction of the IHRA definition of antisemitism making it difficult to distinguish legitimate criticisms of the Israeli state from what might be declared antisemitic.

So, let me provide a few pertinent facts. Over the years, Corbyn has had mutually supportive relations with the practising Jewish community in Islington, attending Shabbat dinners with the orthodox Chabad Rabbi, Mendy Korer, and attending numerous other official Jewish events in North London. Against some local resistance, Corbyn promoted the installation of a plaque on a demolished synagogue site in 2015 to celebrate Jewish life in the borough. Unlike most of his critics in Westminster, Corbyn unfailingly turned up to vote for motions addressing anti-Semitism in Parliament, just as he worked tirelessly against racism on every front.

This is precisely why few people are more supportive of Corbyn’s overall political project than those Jews in the LP who remain on the Left, and there are still many of us. Finally, though it is so hard to unearth, buried under mountains of misinformation, comparing two YouGov polls on antisemitism in 2015 and 2017, reveals that antisemitism had significantly declined within the LP under Corbyn.

So, let’s be clear: there is antisemitism in the Labour Party, as the recent report found; there was also some interference in the speed with which complaints were handled (though details of the nature of this interference remain ambiguous). At the same time, it is obvious that Corbyn faced an unrelentingly hostile campaign of disinformation, as compellingly confirmed by media research led by Justin Schlosberg and Laura Laker. Corbyn accepted the evidence provided by the EHRC, and said it should be acted upon. And though others may feel his timing was poor, in my view it is understandable that Corbyn should attempt to reassure Jews that the extent of antisemitism in LP had been grossly exaggerated in the media and by others not as a way to opposing antisemitism, but rather as a way of attacking him.

We should all be able to agree that any such practice undermines the importance of the very struggle it claims to support, as when the media, in line with Corbyn’s critics, promoted the false belief that 34 per cent of the LP had been accused of antisemitism, when in reality it was 0.3 per cent (exaggerated by a factor of 100).

Finally, if Starmer wants to follow the suggestions of the EHRC he will reinstate Corbyn forthwith. This is because that document explicitly protects freedom of expression, with enhanced protection under Article 10 to protect LP members who ‘express their opinions on internal Party matters, such as the scale of antisemitism within the Party, based on their own experience and within the law’.

[The Slim Reaper]

The danger of weaponising anti semitism.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-report-idUSKBN16M2IN

Israel imposes 'apartheid regime' on Palestinians: U.N. report

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Kizzy]

His first reaction to the report was to say it was overstated, and that he abhors all forms of racism, when the report wasn't about "all forms" of racism. Maybe he should have thrown in an #AllLivesMatter too?

Or maybe he should have apologised that the problem reached the height it did under his watch, and left it at that.

What 'height' ? There is nothing to suggest that it was worse in labour or any worse than it previously had been... unless you know something they don't?