President Elect Joe Biden

[Josy]

26 sexual assault allegations against Trump is a bit more stomach churning imo. 1 is bad, 2 is horrific so what does that make 26?



Those compilation videos of Biden are nothing in comparison to the monster he was up against.

I never claimed otherwise or anything at all for that matter in regards to trump infact the whole point of my first comment was because I knew people would come back with 'but trump this and trump that'

Biden is who I was posting about and he is a stomach churning sleazy old **** IMO :shrug:

[Liam-]

All the videos I have seen of Biden being 'creepy' is just him being hugging kids maybe a little too long but it doesn't come across as creepy to me personally

Trump supporters took videos and pictures of Biden comforting his grandkids at his sons funeral and spread it around saying he was creepy and shouldn’t be allowed near kids, they have zero morals or credibility considering they support an actual rapist and someone who has payed out millions to families of kids who have accused him of abuse, it’s a joke

[Epic.]

All the videos I have seen of Biden being 'creepy' is just him being hugging kids maybe a little too long but it doesn't come across as creepy to me personally

Yeah exactly, it's nothing but editing manipulation

[Josy]

I think the point Josy is making, is while Biden might be better than Trump, just because he won lets not build him as some sort of Messiah!



He's not a good choice, you just happen to beat Trump. He's not worth celebrating considering his past form.



Lets hope he can turn all that around with his time in office!Yes that's it exactly

[Swan]

Yeah exactly, it's nothing but editing manipulation

What about his past racism?

And no, if you watch the videos it really isn't edit manipulation!

Joe Biden isn't this wonderful person people like to think he is.

[GiRTh]

I never claimed otherwise or anything at all for that matter in regards to trump infact the whole point of my first comment was because I knew people would come back with 'but trump this and trump that'

Biden is who I was posting about and he is a stomach churning sleazy old **** IMO :shrug:There were no strong candidates with the Dems. Harris made her name putting people behind bars for smoking weed, Klobuchar isnt really a Democrat imo, Bernie is far too socialist - even though his politics would be considers center in the UK. I could go on but there was not a good choice. My point is that in comparison to Trump there is no comparison.

[Josy]

Yeah exactly, it's nothing but editing manipulationI'm sorry but that's just not true at all, the complete discomfort in those young girls faces is completely real editing manipulation doesmt come into it.

[Swan]

I'm sorry but that's just not true at all, the complete discomfort in those young girls faces is completely real editing manipulation doesmt come into it.

Yep, it's unnerving to watch!

[arista]

Josy

Could you please merge this other thread
to this original

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371465

[Amy Jade]

Yeah I'm not buying that video posted, if he was some pervert he wouldn't be inappropriate infront of a bunch of camera men. I think in most cases he wasn't sniffing but whispering to them also.

[Swan]

Awkward.....

[Denver]

Yes a screenshot of a video is great evidence

[Shaun]

People see what they want to see. If that picture is supposed to be a clear cut example of encroachment then... it's not persuading me.

[Denver]

Josy

Could you please merge this other thread
to this original

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371465
You dont own the site so stop telling the kids what to do

[Liam-]

Do you also believe people are actually holding up the leaning tower of Pisa?

[Amy Jade]

Are there any legal accusations of Biden being inappropriate with any kids of just these videos?

[Swan]

Yes a screenshot of a video is great evidence

https://youtu.be/KQ-YjGmpO4Q?t=117

Timestamped for you :)

Watch the whole video, and tell me he isn't somewhat creepy

If Trump done the same.......

[Amy Jade]

Trump has done way worse

[Denver]

Trump actually sexually assaulted kids and was a frequent visitor to epstien Island and lets not start on racist views because Biden has never tried to get 5 instant black men killed for a crime that didn't commit anf still to this day believes they should die

[Swan]

Trump has done way worse

Trump actually sexually assaulted kids and was a frequent visitor to epstien Island and lets not start on racist views because Biden has never tried to get 5 instant black men killed for a crime that didn't commit anf still to this day believes they should die

Because Trump is worse (which no one is contesting), does that excuse Biden in your eyes?

What a sad world we live in!

[Black Dagger]

Trump literally wants to **** his own daughter so has that going for him as well x

[Swan]

"yeah but Trump"

LMFAO :joker:

[Josy]

Are there any legal accusations of Biden being inappropriate with any kids of just these videos?There is allegations against him going back as far as the early 90s

[GiRTh]

"yeah but Trump"

LMFAO :joker::laugh:

People say 'but Trump' cuz there is always, I repeat ALWAYS a but Trump in any comparison with anyone. The man is horrific, the man is a monster, unique in his hideousness.

[Amy Jade]

If Trump done the same.......

"yeah but Trump"

LMFAO :joker:

So you can do it but if someone else does you ridicule them?

[Swan]

So you can do it but if someone else does you ridicule them?

I ridicule both, look at my past posts. I'm against both Trump and Biden

[GoldHeart]

I ridicule both, look at my past posts. I'm against both Trump and Biden

Stop trying to compare Biden to Trump :bored:

[Swan]

Stop trying to compare Biden to Trump :bored:

That's the opposite of what im doing, it;s you guys who are doing that by saying 'but yeah biden isn't as bad'

Both are fools, weird, terrible and creepy as far as im concerned. How either won Presidency is beyond me!

[Amy Jade]

That's the opposite of what im doing, it;s you guys who are doing that by saying 'but yeah biden isn't as bad'

Both are fools, weird, terrible and creepy as far as im concerned. How either won Presidency is beyond me!

You literally posted something about Biden and then ended the post with 'if Trump had did it...' so yes you are clearly doing it.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/07/17/35370942-8924381-image-a-21_1604770757500.jpg

Trump Play Golf today

[rusticgal]

https://youtu.be/KQ-YjGmpO4Q?t=117

Timestamped for you :)

Watch the whole video, and tell me he isn't somewhat creepy

If Trump done the same.......


That is creepy to say the least...

[Swan]

You literally posted something about Biden and then ended the post with 'if Trump had did it...' so yes you are clearly doing it.

Yeah in reply to comparing, by you, previously -

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10949094&postcount=280

[rusticgal]

Stop trying to compare Biden to Trump :bored:


Isn't that what everyone else is doing....:shrug:

[Swan]

Isn't that what everyone else is doing....:shrug:

It is....Biden is a weirdo, sketchy, strange, a creep, previous racist = "yeah but Trump is worse"

:hehe:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/07/19/35374434-0-image-m-5_1604778308936.jpg

[Amy Jade]

Yeah in reply to comparing, by you, previously -

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10949094&postcount=280

You might want to recheck that. My response was to you making that statement.

Anyway this conversation is incredibly boring so I'll move on.

[Amy Jade]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/11/07/19/35374434-0-image-m-5_1604778308936.jpg

Not even that close in the end!

[Swan]

You might want to recheck that. My response was to you making that statement.

Anyway this conversation is incredibly boring so I'll move on.

If you think Biden is a good man, good for you. Just don't ridicule people for liking other men, ie Trump, because you don't. It's works both ways :)

Disclaimer - I dislike both

[Liam-]

I hope him and Jill have the place fumigated before they move in

[Amy Jade]

If you think Biden is a good man, good for you. Just don't ridicule people for liking other men, ie Trump, because you don't. It's works both ways :)

Disclaimer - I dislike both

Where did I ridicule anyone for liking him?

Actually don't respond. Conversation is done.

[Denver]

Biden is a very good man who has made a lot of questionable decisions

[Swan]

Where did I ridicule anyone for liking him?

Actually don't respond. Conversation is done.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-28-2016/kq9YyS.gif

[Swan]

Biden is a very good man who has made a lot of questionable decisions

Like all his racist comments in past?

[Liam-]

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[Denver]

Like all his racist comments in past?

Im a big believer in people being able to change and he has shown he can change, nobody is forgiving him but they are given him a chance in the future

[reece(:]

The desperation to paint Biden bad :joker:. He's won whilst acting respectfully and dignified. Deal with it, whilst your fave is throwing tantrums and claiming rigging as a last attempt to cause a stir because he can't accept defeat.

[Swan]

Im a big believer in people being able to change and he has shown he can change, nobody is forgiving him but they are given him a chance in the future

Which is very fair. Hopefully he does well in the White House and rights some wrongs!

[Amy Jade]

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Just shows how little he cares doesnt it?

Out playing Golf when he could be doing something worthwhile for his limited time left :laugh:

[reece(:]

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[Denver]

I was watching CNN and only of the guests seems to suggest that Trumo is threatening legal action so he can write up a pardon for himself and his administration in return for conceding and playing the game

[Denver]

Also a number of court cases were thrown out last night after they admitted they had no evidence at all

[Oliver_W]

it’s so scary how close the US were to Fascism

:joker:

Where on Earth did you get that from? A fascist state wouldn't have a free press able to call out the leader, it certainly wouldn't allow the constant riots or even the peaceful protests which preceded them, and wouldn't have two chambers able to veto the president's actions.

The USA wasn't and isn't anywhere close to fascism.

[SherzyK]

The desperation to paint Biden bad :joker:. He's won whilst acting respectfully and dignified. Deal with it, whilst your fave is throwing tantrums and claiming rigging as a last attempt to cause a stir because he can't accept defeat.

Literally this. Some people aren’t happy that Biden is president and are covering it up by saying they don’t support Trump either. It’s a desperate attempt to say the least

[The Slim Reaper]

:joker:

Where on Earth did you get that from? A fascist state wouldn't have a free press able to call out the leader, it certainly wouldn't allow the constant riots or even the peaceful protests which preceded them, and wouldn't have two chambers able to veto the president's actions.

The USA wasn't and isn't anywhere close to fascism.

All of the fascist precursors were there, just like they are here. Fascism doesn't happen overnight, and nobody rides into power on a promise of it.

[rusticgal]

Literally this. Some people aren’t happy that Biden is president and are covering it up by saying they don’t support Trump either. It’s a desperate attempt to say the least


So are you saying it's not possible to dislike either :shrug:

[Denver]

So are you saying it's not possible to dislike either :shrug:

You can dislike both but trying so hard to make Biden look worse then Trump is pathetic and childish

[Denver]

Trump is saying he won the election because he got 71m votes

[arista]

279 Biden
214 Trump

[Denver]

Biden is on 290

[arista]

Obama got 68Million Votes

Trump got 70Million Votes

Biden got 74Million Votes

[GoldHeart]

You can dislike both but trying so hard to make Biden look worse then Trump is pathetic and childish

This
:clap1:

[user104658]

Are there people I would rather see as president of the united states than Biden? Absolutely.

But Trump has been a disaster. A political and sociological disaster, for the entire world. An inevitable and perhaps necessary one? Maybe, there are lots of arguments for why that might be the case, I think (and hope) that MANY lessons have been learned in the past 4 years and hopefully going forward things will only improve. When Biden leaves office... wouldn't it be ****ing lovely to see a good-humoured election between two respectable, respectful, professional candidates?

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[MTVN]

Are there people I would rather see as president of the united states than Biden? Absolutely.

But Trump has been a disaster. A political and sociological disaster, for the entire world. An inevitable and perhaps necessary one? Maybe, there are lots of arguments for why that might be the case, I think (and hope) that MANY lessons have been learned in the past 4 years and hopefully going forward things will only improve. When Biden leaves office... wouldn't it be ****ing lovely to see a good-humoured election between two respectable, respectful, professional candidates?

I think there's a pretty good chance that the 2024 Republican candidate's surname is 'Trump'

[GiRTh]

I think there's a pretty good chance that the 2024 Republican candidate's surname is 'Trump':laugh::laugh:

[arista]

Biden/Harris
are due to speak approx 1AM
our time (all media)

[GiRTh]

Alot of things will have to go in Trumps favour for him to run again and I just dont see it happening.

Firstly, he needs the media. He's nothing when he's not in the news all the time. I just dont see which media outlet will support him when he's out of office. No credible news outlet for sure. If he starts his own then...but that raises another issue. I really cant see people just letting this man rise up again like he did unopposed in 2015. There are still a number of pending investigations into his business affairs and those will only intensify when he leaves office. He doesn't have enough money to cover his 400 odd million dollar debt and pay all the lawyer fess he's going to face. As I said at the beginning he's gonna have to be very lucky and people will have to let him get away with too much.

[MTVN]

Alot of things will have to go in Trumps favour for him to run again and I just dont see it happening.

Firstly, he needs the media. He's nothing when he's not in the news all the time. I just dont see which media outlet will support him when he's out of office. No credible news outlet for sure. If he starts his own then...but that raises another issue. I really cant see people just letting this man rise up again like he did unopposed in 2015. There are still a number of pending investigations into his business affairs and those will only intensify when he leaves office. He doesn't have enough money to cover his 400 odd million dollar debt and pay all the lawyer fess he's going to face. As I said at the beginning he's gonna have to be very lucky and people will have to let him get away with too much.

He has remodelled the Republican party in his own image though and been a bigger electoral force than any other candidate in recent history. When he first got the Republican nomination - and even the Presidency - there was quite a lot of dissent within the GOP that has since evaporated

It might not even be him in 2024 but a run from Ivanka or Donald Trump jnr are both possible

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmQeyU3W8AUcv3r?format=jpg&name=small

Ian Dale still going
he would like calls
from either side of the fence.........


https://www.lbc.co.uk/

[LaLaLand]

Leaked footage of Trump from White House Zoom meetings this past week surfaces:

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[bots]

He has remodelled the Republican party in his own image though and been a bigger electoral force than any other candidate in recent history. When he first got the Republican nomination - and even the Presidency - there was quite a lot of dissent within the GOP that has since evaporated

It might not even be him in 2024 but a run from Ivanka or Donald Trump jnr are both possible

i don't think the GoP will shift from a voting base that large, so even if it wasn't a Trump, it will be someone with similar policies. The dems haven't yet come to terms with the fact that they disenfranchised all those voters and it's them that need to change if they want things to change

[GiRTh]

He has remodelled the Republican party in his own image though and been a bigger electoral force than any other candidate in recent history. When he first got the Republican nomination - and even the Presidency - there was quite a lot of dissent within the GOP that has since evaporated

It might not even be him in 2024 but a run from Ivanka or Donald Trump jnr are both possibleI dont agree. In fact, I think the opposite is true. The down ticket Republicans did quite well. Few were predicting wins for Joni Ernst in Iowa and Susan Collins in Maine but both slaughtered their opponents. Its Trump at the top of the ticket who was rejected.

Republicans need to rebuild and Dems too cuz Dems still dont know how to talk to the middle of America but Trumpism will probably become more of a cult from now on.

I also dont see his children having what it takes to make any kind or credible run.

[GiRTh]

i don't think the GoP will shift from a voting base that large, so even if it wasn't a Trump, it will be someone with similar policies. The dems haven't yet come to terms with the fact that they disenfranchised all those voters and it's them that need to change if they want things to changeAgree. A Trump who can string a sentence together is a credible candidate.

The country is clearly spilt. More so than many imagined so there needs to be rebuild on both sides going forward.

[Denver]

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[GiRTh]

It looks like I Contradicted my self in my last two posts. What I mean is the someone who can push GOP hard line policies but still denounce organisations like the Proud Boys and Q anon is a credible candidate. These are the elements of Trumpism that I think will become more of a cult. :thumbs:

[reece(:]

President elect Biden speech incoming :clap1:

[LaLaLand]

Biden's team's music taste >>>>

[Liam-]

Biden's team's music taste >>>>

Right?

Trump would be playing Kid Rock and Lil Pump right now

[rusticgal]

You can dislike both but trying so hard to make Biden look worse then Trump is pathetic and childish


I wasn't....I just asked a simple question to a childish response :laugh:

[reece(:]

Joe churning out the bops :clap1:. Let's have some Riri next please!

[LaLaLand]

New favourite, thanks Joe!! :clap2:

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[LaLaLand]

"IF" Trump decides to run again next time, can you imagine TRUMP vs. HARRIS 2024? :omgno:

Colossal election.

[Jack_]

https://twitter.com/btsoriented/status/1325167102039191552?s=21

screaming

[LaLaLand]

Omg her entrance :love:

[reece(:]

Kamala entering to Mary J. Blige... ICONIC! :clap1:

[Scarlett.]

I imagine the Republican Party will want to distance themselves from the actions of Trump these last four years. I mean yeah, Trump won in 2016, but he actually got fewer votes for him than Hillary

[Denver]

Biden is already a better President in 5 mins then Trump in 4 years

[LaLaLand]

What a pair! Love them. :clap2:

[LaLaLand]

This is SO REFRESHING isn't it?!

[Denver]

This is SO REFRESHING isn't it?!

Finally a presidential speech 4 years later

[Nick.]

Biden giving a very good speech, never seem him so effortless charismatic

[LaLaLand]

Take a bloody bow Joe! :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

[Denver]

Amazing

[Denver]

He needs to release an complication album of these hits

[reece(:]

This is SO REFRESHING isn't it?!
Yes, positive, healing and wanting to bring everyone together instead of divide. Very powerful.

[Liam-]

Sort of put a dampener on the whole ‘he doesn’t know what he’s doing!’ ‘He’s senile, he can’t string a sentence together’ narrative doesn’t it? What a delightful change of pace and feeling

[Liam-]

Also, not a single mention of the terracotta troll, pure class

[Samm]

Refreshing to see good speeches from world leaders!

[user104658]

It was an excellent speech and a million miles from what we've become used to seeing out of America in recent years.

[reece(:]

https://i.imgur.com/2k2VT7d.gif

[reece(:]

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[LaLaLand]

I want an "Honorary Biden" t-shirt :love:

[Liam-]

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:skull::skull::skull:

This is the type of petty I admire

[Denver]

The reporter on CNN has said Trumo has acknowledged he has lost but won't make it public and he knows the court cases will come to nothing but is using it as a delay

[DouglasS]

Biden is off to the hospital now after that speech

[LaLaLand]

Inevitable, he's just gonna drag this out as long as possible.

Wouldn't surprise me if he ramps up the tensions between opposing voters more and more on his way out, leaving a huge mass of severe civil unrest across the country that he won't have to answer to.

[DouglasS]

The reporter on CNN has said Trumo has acknowledged he has lost but won't make it public and he knows the court cases will come to nothing but is using it as a delay

Yes because Trump or his team would go to CNN (of all news sources) with the fine details :joker:

Do you really genuinely beleive this?

[Denver]

Yes because Trump or his team would go to CNN (of all news sources) with the fine details :joker:

Do you really genuinely beleive this?

You do understand that reporters have ears inside?

[Denver]

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Looks like Trump wants a pardon

[Liam-]

Inevitable, he's just gonna drag this out as long as possible.

Wouldn't surprise me if he ramps up the tensions between opposing voters more and more on his way out, leaving a huge mass of severe civil unrest across the country that he won't have to answer to.

He’s a spiteful, bitter narcissist with a lot of power, after the blow to the ego he’s just taken, he’s going to make it as painful for as many people as possible

[LaLaLand]

1325223260955570176

Looks like Trump wants a pardon

He's going to milk the hell out of this. We'll still be in this position come January.

[Liam-]

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This will probably hurt Trumps feelings the most lbr

[GoldHeart]

Whether some people like Biden or not , it was time for a change and America has had enough of dictator orange Trump throwing his weight around!.

The way Trump behaved during this whole election was enough to show he doesn't deserve to be re elected ! . How can anyone defend that.

Biden has been calm through this whole process and shown more grace , while Trump behaved like a raging lunatic with his childish tantrums .

For the first time in 4 years America has a glimmer of hope, Biden actually seems like he cares and he clearly wants to do good .

[LaLaLand]

Whether some people like Biden or not , it was time for a change and America has had enough of dictator orange Trump throwing his weight around!.

The way Trump behaved during this whole election was enough to show he doesn't deserve to be re elected ! . How can anyone defend that.

Biden has been calm through this whole process and shown more grace , while Trump behaved like a raging lunatic with his childish tantrums .

For the first time in 4 years America has a glimmer of hope, Biden actually seems like he cares and he clearly wants to do good .

Amen!

[Ammi]

https://twitter.com/btsoriented/status/1325167102039191552?s=21

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...magical....we love an omelette du fromage hee-haw-hee-haw-hee -haw....and le croissant hee-haw...Remy beginning French education in the USA, we love to see...:love:...

[Sticks]

There are many Trump supporters out there who hold that the UNDemocrats are stealing this election with voter fraud. Many of these supporters are in the flyover states, and felt under represented, one reason why Hillary lost

I suspect that these supporters might consider that now is the time to exercise their seventh amendment rights, to go down to DC as a regulated militia to form a ring of steel to protect Trump who they consider to be the real president and prevent that usurper Biden from taking office. This would not be good.

This is not over, the courts have yet to decide since legal action is pending

[Mitchell]

Or they could stop being snowflakes and accept they lost?

[arista]

1325223260955570176

Looks like Trump wants a pardon


Of Course
he will make a Deal


Biden does not want to waste time on this.

[arista]

Trump will soon Win Alaska
gives him 3 more points.

[Ammi]

...I watched some of Joe’s unification speech, I haven’t watched it all yet but I will later...his words are good and exactly what the USA need right now...I know that after four gruelling years, the people need to have their moments of joy, of feeling a huge release etc and hope filled future...especially in the midst of COVID as well...but I’m looking forward to it all settling and seeing his talking the United talk, becoming walking the United walk....to see how his words actually transfer to his country and people...and obviously by extension, to the rest of the world....

...anyway, good luck Joe...:love:...the USA so needs him desperately to come through for them...

[Ammi]

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...the other First Lady...:lovedup:...

[arista]

Ammi
he has a Senate that is full of Trumps.

Its not an Easy future
Biden must watch he does not get Covid-19

[Ammi]

...I think that there is real hope that he’ll rise to his future in a way that Trump hasn’t risen...that his focus will be his country and not ego driven...

[Ammi]

...Dr Jill Biden has a gorgeous smile, her face is so warm and engaging..:love:...

[arista]

I imagine the Republican Party will want to distance themselves from the actions of Trump these last four years. I mean yeah, Trump won in 2016, but he actually got fewer votes for him than Hillary

Yes back then.
But now 3million More votes for Trump.

USA is still Split.

[arista]

...I think that there is real hope that he’ll rise to his future in a way that Trump hasn’t risen...that his focus will be his country and not ego driven...


Yes he is bridge builder
the opposite of Trump.

[arista]

One Thing Like Trump
is Biden just keeps repeating
his same slogans.

Not much else, yet.

[Ammi]

Yes he is bridge builder
the opposite of Trump.

...the bridge fought the wall and the bridge won...:love:...putting the United back into the divisive state that Trump has created...

[Ammi]

One Thing Like Trump
is Biden just keeps repeating
his same slogans.

Not much else, yet.

...Biden has four years ahead to progress forward with his slogans...Trump has had those four years and hasn’t progressed ...there is nothing ‘like’ about them...’like’ can’t be applied at all until Joe has travelled four years as well ...

[arista]

...Biden has four years ahead to progress forward with his slogans...Trump has had those four years and hasn’t progressed ...there is nothing ‘like’ about them...’like’ can’t be applied at all until Joe has travelled four years as well ...



Trump did progress
and Built up the USA Army
for Biden.

[bots]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmPY5UQU0AAYjsv.jpg

Donald Trump’s bid to hang on to the White House is promising to end in farce if his campaign’s choice of venue for a crucial press conference is anything to go by.

On Saturday morning, as Trump played golf and continued to baselessly accuse the Democrats of stealing the election for Joe Biden, he announced, in a Tweet since deleted, that there would be a “Big press conference” at the Four Seasons in Philadelphia.

That was quickly clarified, however. It was not the noted hotel, but Four Seasons Total Landscaping, a suburban business situated between a crematorium and an adult book store on the outskirts of the city


---------------

It doesn't get better than that :laugh:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

"IF" Trump decides to run again next time, can you imagine TRUMP vs. HARRIS 2024? :omgno:

Colossal election.

Third party landslide win!

[Oliver_W]

There are many Trump supporters out there who hold that the UNDemocrats are stealing this election with voter fraud.

And some Democrats thought fraud and foreign interference was behind Trump's win :joker: he needs to take the L, in the unlikely event there was any fraud, he's unlikely to have support from the Republicans to rat it out.

[joeysteele]

Another fact is too.
As to Trump running for and becoming President.

In both his elections, never mind how many votes were cast.
He LOST the popular vote both times.

So as to votes, he was never overall the Nation's choice.

[Nicky91]

Another fact is too.
As to Trump running for and becoming President.

In both his elections, never mind how many votes were cast.
He LOST the popular vote both times.

So as to votes, he was never overall the Nation's choice.

exactly, couldn't have said it better

[Beso]

Well done joe, you now have a whole new house to sniff and lick young girls in.

[Kazanne]

Well done joe, you now have a whole new house to sniff and lick young girls in.

I had heard and seen a few videos online, maybe he is just affectionate ,but I do see what you mean, no doubt if something is untoward t will leak out soon , I hope he is good for America and us.

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1325136780396437507

don't know if this one has been shared earlier, but former president Obama said this, he cannot be any prouder

[Beso]

I had heard and seen a few videos online, maybe he is just affectionate ,but I do see what you mean, no doubt if something is untoward t will leak out soon , I hope he is good for America and us.



Well you can see many of the girls recoiling from his affection....so at the very least it's very inappropriate...and correctly titled creepy..

Hi:wavey:

[arista]

1325229379220353033

[user104658]

Well you can see many of the girls recoiling from his affection....so at the very least it's very inappropriate...and correctly titled creepy..



Hi:wavey:Biden has a few videos with cherry-picked awkward moments and paused facial expressions.

Trump has actual ongoing allegations of rape and sexual assault and is heavily entwined with Epstein, who was widely known to be peddling child prostitution.



... But sure Parmy, plant your anti-paedo flag against Biden :idc:.

I usually try to see where you're coming from but trying to politicise accusations of paedophilia with no evidence but a YouTube propaganda video? That's... Questionable... And if its an issue you genuinely care about I'd advise either looking into it a bit more deeply to see if there's any actual evidence, or not bringing it up at all.

[Beso]

Biden has a few videos with cherry-picked awkward moments and paused facial expressions.

Trump has actual ongoing allegations of rape and sexual assault and is heavily entwined with Epstein, who was widely known to be peddling child prostitution.



... But sure Parmy, plant your anti-paedo flag against Biden :idc:.

I usually try to see where you're coming from but trying to politicise accusations of paedophilia with no evidence but a YouTube propaganda video? That's... Questionable... And if its an issue you genuinely care about I'd advise either looking into it a bit more deeply to see if there's any actual evidence, or not bringing it up at all.

His videos have been around since 2012...its nothing new.
So I'm hoping you are not defending him here.:nono:

I do appreciate your patience with me, and will tolerate the condescending manner of letting me know that you are patient.

The trump news is unfortunately fake news though...unfortunately your patience will have to come into play with me again cause there is no way I can be bothered atm to go get the info that disproved your wild claims

[user104658]

His videos have been around since 2012...its nothing new.

So I'm hoping you are not defending him here.:nono:



I do appreciate your patience with me, and will tolerate the condescending manner of letting me know that you are patient.



The trump news is unfortunately fake news though...unfortunately your patience will have to come into play with me again cause there is no way I can be bothered atm to go get the info that disproved your wild claims

The Biden claims which are based on YouTube videos posted by Republicans are hard evidence, but the actual legal proceedings against Trump for sexual assault are fake news.

Hm.

I think the best thing about Trump being out of the White House might just be that we won't have to give nonsense like this the time of day any more :idc:.

Come back when you have some facts, evidence, or even a claim from a potential victim. My patience for anything else has suddenly run out.

[Nicky91]

Trump's news isn't fake news though?

we all know he once just said also ''grab em by the pussy''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape


and here regarding sexual assault allegations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

[Beso]

See you next tuesday then..with evidence.

[Nicky91]

https://dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/9zOc824MMqQJ2w2iLWrEv7uRiyQ=/1660x934/smart/filters:no_upscale()/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/dmn/MKWVHWAYNVEKTCUGK2BH2RMIZI.jpg

also very lovely, Biden and his granddaughter :love:

[rusticgal]

https://i.imgur.com/2k2VT7d.gif


He needs to take it easy...:laugh:

[Oliver_W]

we all know he once just said also ''grab em by the pussy''

Which followed three important words - "they let you"

Regardless of accusations made against him, he was commenting on the effect fame and money has on people, rather than saying one should so that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Which followed three important words - "they let you"

Regardless of accusations made against him, he was commenting on the effect fame and money has on people, rather than saying one should so that.

Ahh yes, the access hollywood tape was a stinging social commentary. Trump had identified the difference in power between a female being abused and the rich and powerful abuser, and was merely riffing on it's consequences.

The only way anyone would "let you do it" was if consent was agreed before the act. Once the grabbing has taken place, then there is no consent.

[Beso]

They wernt being abused if they let you...they were at an age that allowed you to grab the available pussy..


Biden's a bit different though..hes not called creepy for nothing.

[The Slim Reaper]

They wernt being abused if they let you...they were at an age that allowed you to grab the available pussy..


Biden's a bit different though..hes not called creepy for nothing.

And the defence of most rapists is that it was consensual.

[Beso]

And the defence of most rapists is that it was consensual.

I wont type out my reply.:blush:

[The Slim Reaper]

You just did.

[Beso]

You just did.

I didn't :blush:

[Niamh.]

They wernt being abused if they let you...they were at an age that allowed you to grab the available pussy..


Biden's a bit different though..hes not called creepy for nothing.I'm pretty sure the vast majority of women would not be ok with a man walking up and grabbing them by the genitals, they didn't allow him to do it unless he asked them first and how are they supposed to react to guy who would probably fire them or make life very difficult if they reacted negatively to that violation? Any woman who does come forward is labelled a liar or some sort of tease or something

[bots]

everyone knows that both candidates were grim and that all the adoration of Biden should be taken with a large pinch of salt. The big difference between the candidates was that Trump has never respected democracy nor worked for anyone but himself and Biden is the complete opposite as he has proven over the last 40 years

[Ammi]

...this is an article I read earlier regarding Joe Biden and the ‘Creepy Joe’ thing that I’ve heard a few times...this isn’t in comparison to anything Trump related, the sexual misconduct allegations made against him are of a criminal nature...I just wanted to know more about Biden, the person...not the politician, as it were.... and this is an older article, written in April of 2019 ...and I don’t know whether it’s a ‘credible source’ in itself ...and it’s a very long read...but it is very, very interesting and worth the read and does appear to be quite balanced in its content ....


Joe Biden’s presidential campaign has not yet launched, but it’s already rocked by a long-simmering controversy over the propriety of his interactions with women.

A former Nevada state legislator named Lucy Flores wrote a personal essay that New York magazine published on Friday, in which she describes an encounter with Biden at a 2014 campaign event. Flores says the then-vice president came up behind her, touched her shoulders, and kissed the back of her head. The behavior, she says, wasn’t criminal, but it made her feel uncomfortable. Amy Lappos, a former congressional aide who recalls Biden rubbing noses with her at a 2009 fundraiser, similarly says the incident “wasn’t sexual” but also that there’s “absolutely a line of decency” and “a line of respect” that Biden crossed. On Tuesday, two more women came forward to the New York Times with, similarly, stories they described as having “made them uncomfortable.”

Flores’s account has raised some of the usual questions about what exactly happened and whose memory is correct. But the real issue with Biden isn’t the facts. The issue is what standard of conduct is acceptable for men in power.

The Onion’s parody character “Diamond Joe” Biden, whose autobiography was titled The President of Vice, was, of course, a joke. But the joke was that Biden really was an old-school presence in the Obama White House.

That presence extended to a habit of quite publicly making remarks about women’s appearances and frequent physical contacts that any modern HR department would probably warn against. For years, it was played off primarily as a joke — “Joe being Joe” — paired with some complaints from progressive writers and a larger volume of complaints from conservative writers that progressives were being hypocritical in not complaining about Biden.

In the wake of the heightened mobilization of women in the Democratic Party and the #MeToo movement, it was inevitable that this would become an issue if Biden ran for president. And even though he’s not quite in the race yet, he and his camp keep very heavily hinting that he will be soon.

The allegation isn’t that he has dark secrets, but that the stuff we’ve seen on camera and laughed off should be taken seriously as making public life hostile to women. Critics fear this will bring to life their long-held nightmare of #MeToo overreach, in which the idea of long-public behavior by a well-known and well-liked Democrat is suddenly unfairly castigated.

Lucy Flores says Biden made her uncomfortable
Lucy Flores got elected to the Nevada House of Representatives at 31 years old and was quickly marked as a rising star in the state party, getting the Democratic nomination for lieutenant governor in 2014. She wound up losing fairly badly in an overall disastrous election year for Democrats, and then went on in the 2016 cycle to endorse Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign while waging a primary campaign of her own for a congressional seat. (She wound up losing to Ruben Kihuen, who in turn later ended up forced out of Congress by a sexual harassment scandal.) She was then a founding board member of Sanders’s national political organization, Our Revolution, but wound up resigning early.

All of which is to say that while she’s now a somewhat marginalized figure in Democratic politics, in 2014 she was very much in the middle of things — backed by Harry Reid for a big role in the future of the Nevada Democratic Party and getting campaign visits from Biden, an extremely popular surrogate.

But Flores recounts that Biden’s campaign rally on her behalf wound up taking an unsettling turn:

I found my way to the holding room for the speakers, where everyone was chatting, taking photos, and getting ready to speak to the hundreds of voters in the audience. Just before the speeches, we were ushered to the side of the stage where we were lined up by order of introduction. As I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. “Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?”

I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual ****? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?” He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. There is a Spanish saying, “tragame tierra,” it means, “earth, swallow me whole.” I couldn’t move and I couldn’t say anything. I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me. My name was called and I was never happier to get on stage in front of an audience.
That’s all there is to it. Flores doesn’t allege that Biden did anything illegal, followed up in any way, threatened or derailed her career in any way, or anything else. She’s just saying that there she was, a young female professional doing her job alongside an older male colleague. He was supposed to be there to help her out, and instead, he made her uncomfortable by sniffing her hair and kissing the back of her head.

And while the specific incident is new, the basic idea that Biden sometimes says and does things that make some of the women in his presence uncomfortable is really not much of a secret.

Joe Biden does slightly inappropriate stuff all the time
After Biden oversaw the swearing-in of new senators in the wake of the 2016 election, Politico posted a video compilation of “13 awkward moments” from the ceremony.

The first such moment is Biden saying that when he was young, he had a beautiful sister and his dad told him his “number one job” was “to keep the guys away from your sister”; he then turns to a brother-sister pair and addresses the young man by saying, “You’re in trouble.” In the next, he asks a newly elected senator’s daughter how old she is. She says she’s 16 and Biden jokes, “I hope you’ve got big dogs around the house,” to keep the boys away from her.

These are obviously jokes. Biden is being friendly and not trying to hurt anyone, and we’re all familiar with this general style of joke.

At the same time, these jokes have gone out of style because their major premise is that women’s sexuality should be controlled by their male relatives rather than by themselves. They also seem at times to suggest that young men cannot be taught to behave themselves appropriately around attractive women. In his official role, Biden is part of the It’s On Us campaign, whose idea is that men need to be leaders in checking other men’s sexual misconduct. But in the jokes, rather than men working with other men to build a culture of consent and respect for women, the thing to do is to get big dogs to safeguard the women you happen to care about personally while otherwise accepting that boys will be boys.

In February 2015, New York magazine did a slideshow of “nine times Joe Biden creepily whispered in people’s ears” and Byron York observed that there’s a huge public track record of “handsy” Biden photos that liberals would likely regard as problematic were the perpetrator not a popular Democratic vice president.

Around this time, controversy was raging mostly in conservative circles. GOP operative Karol Morkowicz wrote in a February 2015 Time article that “America Shouldn’t Tolerate ‘Biden Being Biden.’”

But Alana Levinson wrote for TPM at around this time that the conservative critics were basically right and progressives shouldn’t give Biden a pass just because they agreed with his stances on policy.


“Being a public figure who supports women means more than just supporting political causes,” she wrote. “It also means treating them with respect, especially in public. If progressives are really committed to combating sexism, they have to be indiscriminate about calling it out — even if it means indicting one of their own.”

Biden’s allies say he’s getting a bad rap
One of the most infamous Biden photos is a still taken from larger video of him grabbing the shoulders of Stephanie Carter, the wife of Ashton Carter, during Carter’s swearing-in ceremony to become secretary of defense.

In the wake of Flores’s story, Carter addressed the images in a Medium post, which said both that she had no problem with what Biden did and that in her view, the viral image was an out-of-context frame from a moment that looks more innocuous on video (emphasis in original):

We had started the cold, snowy day at Arlington Cemetery in Section 60 visiting the graves of our fallen. It was somber and quiet and the weight of Ash’s new responsibility was palpable. Upon our arrival at the Pentagon, I had slipped and fell on some ice  —  which a few journalists were nice enough to tweet about. Later, we went to the White House for the swearing in and I was feeling self-conscious and tentative (not a normal state for those who know me) about the fall  —  and perhaps about how much our life might change. As we walked in the room, reporters were staged and a young woman from Huffington Post shouted to me to ask if I was doing all right  —  I was somewhat thrown (did I not look all right?) but quickly remembered news of my fall on the ice had traveled. By the time then-Vice President Biden had arrived, he could sense I was uncharacteristically nervous and quickly gave me a hug. After the swearing in, as Ash was giving remarks, he leaned in to tell me “thank you for letting him do this” and kept his hands on my shoulders as a means of offering his support. But a still shot taken from a video  —  misleadingly extracted from what was a longer moment between close friends —   sent out in a snarky tweet  —  came to be the lasting image of that day.
Some people I’ve spoken to agree with Carter about the video versus still question, and others don’t. The bottom line, however, is that Carter says she didn’t have a problem with it — which is of course fine — but Flores says she did have a problem with what Biden did.

Henry Muñoz of the Latino Victory Project, meanwhile, put out a statement saying he “thoroughly reviewed photographic documentation from the event” and spoke to others who were there, and “to the best of our recollection, at no time were Lucy Flores and Vice President Biden alone.”

The implication of this is that Flores is lying (or perhaps misremembering) her story, but if you read her account, she clearly says that she wasn’t alone with Biden. And of course the larger narrative about Biden isn’t that he does these things secretly behind closed doors — he does them with the C-SPAN cameras rolling at public events. The question is whether it’s bad.

Biden issued a statement that was more equivocal — trying to neither apologize to Flores nor call her a liar, while also addressing the larger question without really saying anything about it:

In my many years on the campaign trail and in public life, I have offered countless handshakes, hugs, expressions of affection, support and comfort. And not once — never — did I believe I acted inappropriately. If it is suggested I did so, I will listen respectfully. But it was never my intention.

I may not recall these moments the same way, and I may be surprised at what I hear. But we have arrived at an important time when women feel they can and should relate their experiences, and men should pay attention. And I will.

I will also remain the strongest advocate I can be for the rights of women. I will fight to build on the work I’ve done in my career to end violence against women and ensure women are treated with the equality they deserve. I will continue to surround myself with trusted women advisors who challenge me to see different perspectives than my own. And I will continue to speak out on these vitally important issues where there is much more progress to be made and crucial fights that must be waged and won.
These are all nice sentiments, and they underscore one of the reasons nobody in progressive politics has been particularly eager to bring this up. Biden is a personally very well-liked member of the Democratic Party establishment, nobody really thinks he meant any harm, and were he quietly fading into an elder statesman role, everyone might leave well enough alone. But Biden is putting himself forward as a political leader for the present-day, and his conduct does not really fit cutting-edge progressive values. You can clearly see that even in this statement, which centers his subjective intentions rather than women’s experiences.

Meanwhile, Biden’s team is pushing back more forcefully, with spokesperson Bill Russo emailing a “note on recent coverage” to many Washington journalists noting Carter’s Medium piece and statements from Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) arguing that another widely snarked-about photo of Biden with Coons’s daughter has been misrepresented. Russo says “the familiar characterizations of these two photos that have been uncritically perpetuated, turn out to be very false” and points journalists to a Washington Post interview with Coons in which he says “all three of my kids have known Joe their whole lives” and view him like a grandfather.

Can women really “relate their experiences”?
One important question raised by Biden’s statement, however, is whether it’s true that we have now entered an era where “women feel they can and should relate their experiences.”

It’s clearly true that some women are relating their experiences. But Brett Kavanaugh is on the Supreme Court while Christine Blasey Ford faced months of threats. Justin Fairfax is still lieutenant governor of Virginia. Donald Trump is the president of the United States. A key mover and shaker in US Latino politics is calling Flores a liar based on a pretty blatant misreading of what she said happened. Flores herself has landed in an odd position politically, alienating the establishment over the course of the 2016 cycle and then breaking with Sanders and moving to California, where she’s now out of electoral politics. She has relatively little to lose in this by speaking out.

But would a random midlevel Obama administration staffer, teenage senator’s daughter, or former candidate who was once made uncomfortable by a Biden joke or lean really feel that the moral of the story is she should feel free to speak her mind? Or would she understand that to get ahead in life it’s good to be seen as a helpful team player and bad to be seen as a thin-skinned troublemaker and the best thing to do is either shrug it off or speak up in Biden’s defense? Does anyone trying to make a career in Democratic Party politics really want to put themselves in the position of being a “Joe Biden accuser” who gets to have their conduct picked over by a Morning Joe panel?

The skeptical reaction to Flores from many who are not disputing the factual contents of her story underscores how central it is to some of the ideological fault lines in American life. Nobody disagrees that men shouldn’t rape women or that women who haven’t been raped shouldn’t falsely accuse men of raping them. But there is a really big disagreement over whether American culture ought to change in a major way or whether the real problem is “millennial snowflakes,” out-of-control political correctness, and a zealous neo-Puritanism that can’t even take a joke or see an affectionate gesture for what it is.

Biden’s problem is also his appeal
A lot of how Biden got to be vice president in the first place had to do with the idea that he would help Obama appeal to the kind of voters — older, less educated white Northerners who aren’t evangelical Christians — who we know eventually ended up defecting to Trump.

These voters didn’t identify with the GOP of the George W. Bush era and certainly didn’t love Republicans’ regressive economic policies. But they also don’t particularly identify with the self-consciously woke brand of liberalism practiced in big cosmopolitan metro areas. For the purposes of winning votes from this cohort, the fact that Biden’s 2008 primary campaign was continually derailed by racist gaffes probably made him a strong running mate. To voters confused — and at times angered — by shifting cultural norms, the fact that Obama would elevate an old white guy who clearly wasn’t up to speed on all the latest PC thinking was a powerful demonstration that he was one of the good ones.

In 2016, of course, many voters inclined to this way of thinking did defect to Trump. In 2018, Democrats in turn did well in large part by gaining more votes from people whose thinking is not necessarily in line with contemporary progressive politics on key identity issues.

John Ray of Data for Progress shows, for example, that the swing voters Democrats won in 2018 are closer to Republicans’ views on the Confederate flag.

Biden is probably not going to run around explicitly pitching himself as the Democrat who is best suited to appeal to Lost Cause mythos (though he did once brag that Delaware was a slave state), but the idea that he’s better suited than the rest of the field to win back Trump voters in the Midwest is an integral element of his proto-candidacy.

And the idea that Biden is less of an uptight, scoldy asshole than your average Democrat — the kind of guy who’s not afraid to crack a joke about using dogs to guard a 16-year-old’s virtue or get a little grabby at a happy occasion — is an integral part of that argument.

Totally separately from this controversy, Biden is not very popular among the group of younger, highly educated, more ideological Democrats who dominate online discourse, and the “Creepy Uncle Joe” persona only ads to that disdain. But his base in the party is older, more working-class, and more moderate Democrats, for whom the inclination to give a guy a hard time for just being good-natured and affectionate is everything that’s gone wrong with the younger generation. To Biden’s mostly younger critics, the extent to which this kind of behavior is normalized and people are just supposed to accept it without complaint is exactly what needs to change.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/2/18290345/joe-biden-lucy-flores-amy-lappos

[Oliver_W]

everyone knows that both candidates were grim and that all the adoration of Biden should be taken with a large pinch of salt. The big difference between the candidates was that Trump has never respected democracy nor worked for anyone but himself and Biden is the complete opposite as he has proven over the last 40 years

Yeah it's not "Yay Biden", it's "Yay not-Trump"

[Ammi]

...seriously, I realise it’s unlikely that anyone will read that when I see the size of it but I found it very interesting because I know very little about Biden...specifically relating to the ‘creepy Joe’ stuff...but one of the things that I did find very inappropriate’...was when he asked the age of a friend’s daughter, who was 16yrs old...and then said that guard dogs would be needed to keep the boys away from her../...from the house....the age of consent is 18yrs old so she was legally a child...that remark and from someone of his intelligence and standing and who is very skilled with his wording, as we’ve seen...?.. and to a friend about their daughter...?...feels completely inappropriate to me...

[Beso]

I'm pretty sure the vast majority of women would not be ok with a man walking up and grabbing them by the genitals, they didn't allow him to do it unless he asked them first and how are they supposed to react to guy who would probably fire them or make life very difficult if they reacted negatively to that violation? Any woman who does come forward is labelled a liar or some sort of tease or something

I agree, but we are talking about the ones who let you.

Just like the many men who would allow a woman to grab thier balls.

[Ammi]

...and after just watching Borat as well and Rudy Giuliani....is this quite commonplace with ‘men of power’...that their positions are abused with inappropriate behaviour and some cases ...much more than that...

[Oliver_W]

...seriously, I realise it’s unlikely that anyone will read that when I see the size of it but I found it very interesting because I know very little about Biden...specifically relating to the ‘creepy Joe’ stuff...but one of the things that I did find very inappropriate’...was when he asked the age of a friend’s daughter, who was 16yrs old...and then said that guard dos would be needed to keep the boys away from her../...from the house....the age of consent is 18yrs old so she was legally a child...that remark and from someone of his intelligence and standing and who is very skilled with his wording, as we’ve seen...?.. and to a friend about their daughter...?...feels completely inappropriate to me...

For argument sake is that hugely different to "your son will be beating the girls off with a stick!" ? That said, him asking the daughter's age does add a level of skeeze to the comment.

[Ammi]

For argument sake is that hugely different to "your son will be beating the girls off with a stick!" ? That said, him asking the daughter's age does add a level of skeeze to the comment.

...I wouldn’t feel that an appropriate comment either if my son was a child...and the reference was to a child...he asked her age and then immediately made the comment, is the thing...

[Beso]

Too ammi

with women....


No...not women..children.female teenagers to be precise

[Ammi]

...this isn’t whatsoever a gender thing...

[Beso]

The smell of teenage girls arouses him...pure and simple.

[Amy Jade]

Just read that Trump disrespected WWII Navajo code talkers at the White House while he was president and he even called Senator Warren "Pocahontas".

They remembered this disrespect and the Arizona Navajo voters had a massive 89% turnout, (76k people), with overwhelming Biden support. Pushing Biden to flip the vote in Arizona.

:laugh:

The people the orange blob wanted out of the country were his undoing.

[Ammi]

...anyways, I do feel that he’s the best choice but it’s staggering what we have to ‘overlook’ or accept in some very prominent positions ...that wouldn’t be acceptable in other areas of employment etc...

[GiRTh]

1325325557391831041:conf:

what was the point of that?

I like that the White House admin staff are getting on with it. I see Bidens security details has been beefed up. There will soon come a time when we all have to think of Biden as President no matter what Fox News says or if court cases have been filed. So what is the point of Gutfelds whining? :shrug:

[Beso]

...anyways, I do feel that he’s the best choice but it’s staggering what we have to ‘overlook’ or accept in some very prominent positions ...that wouldn’t be acceptable in other areas of employment etc...

I agree..100 percent

[GiRTh]

The smell of teenage girls arouses him...pure and simple.Like the last point I made, whats the point? Bidens going to be President so this muck spreading is pointless.

[Beso]

Like the last point I made, whats the point? Bidens going to be President so this muck spreading is pointless.

If you check my posts I did post the original videos about this guy long before he came on tibbs radar...so yes it is pointless now...but way back then when you should have listened, it wasnt.

[GiRTh]

If you check my posts I did post the original videos about this guy long before he came on tibbs radar...so yes it is pointless now...but way back then when you should have listened, it wasnt.I was aware of it and wanted Bernie Sanders to win the Primary. Now we agree its pointless. :shrug:

[bots]

...anyways, I do feel that he’s the best choice but it’s staggering what we have to ‘overlook’ or accept in some very prominent positions ...that wouldn’t be acceptable in other areas of employment etc...

think back to Kennedy and what he got up to and he was adored. Clinton was hugely popular, tricky Dicky was not a nice guy, and they all surrounded themselves with people that were of a similar ilk. It's pure cringe

[arista]

:conf:

what was the point of that?

I like that the White House admin staff are getting on with it. I see Bidens security details has been beefed up. There will soon come a time when we all have to think of Biden as President no matter what Fox News says or if court cases have been filed. So what is the point of Gutfelds whining? :shrug:


It's a Right Wing Comedy Hour, that is the point
As you know Fox News say he is the next President

[Tom4784]

Biden was nowhere close to being my first choice for the democratic nominee, but I do think he'll likely right the ship and that's the best thing the US can hope for right now. I dislike centrism entirely, but I think him extending the hand of friendship and likely extending roles in his administration to republicans will hopefully help heal the rifts somewhat.

I don't think his reign will be a notable one, in the long run, he won't rid the US of it's social, racial and gun related problems, but I do think he'll likely get the US back on track.

I do think a Republican will likely win in 2024 and I just hope it's a moderate that wins and not another looney tune.

[Tom4784]

As for the whole peadophile thing, it occurred to me over this week how many people believe Qanon ****, and it's not just americans either. There's so many people who legitimately think that there's a peadophile ring consisting only of people who are politically opposed to these believers and that the rapist in chief is somehow fighting a battle alone against them. That kind of cognitive dissonance is frightening.

[GiRTh]

It's a Right Wing Comedy Hour, that is the point
As you know Fox News say he is the next PresidentYeah that big rib tickler right wing comedy. Cant see theres much material TBH

[Beso]

I was aware of it and wanted Bernie Sanders to win the Primary. Now we agree its pointless. :shrug:

I suppose so yes...

It's a shame though :

[Ammi]

think back to Kennedy and what he got up to and he was adored. Clinton was hugely popular, tricky Dicky was not a nice guy, and they all surrounded themselves with people that were of a similar ilk. It's pure cringe

...would similar have been accepted from Obama, would have been an interesting thing indeed...and that other Clinton person...was it Hilary, would we have accepted similar from her...?...well, we’ll never know because the USA wasn’t quite ready for a female president...


...Anyways, I do wish Biden luck and hope that he inspires the unity needed right now...I do acknowledge that ‘creepy’ may have been how some have felt in his presence in the past ...but hopefully he’ll rise to hold his powerful position with dignity now and in every aspect of it...

[Ammi]

US election results: Joe Biden launches website and details first order of business...


Victorious Joe Biden and his team have launched their official transition website and social media channels, laying the groundwork for taking over as US president.

The team has spent months making the arrangements and on its website, BuildBackBetter.com, outlined a "seven-point plan to beat COVID-19", and said: "We aren't just going to rebuild what has worked in the past. This is our opportunity to build back better than ever."

In a statement, Mr Biden's team said: "The crises we are facing are severe - from a global pandemic to an economic recession to racial injustice to the climate crisis. Our work continues full speed today."

And in their first Tweet, the Biden transition team said: "We stand together as one America. We will rise stronger than we were before."

On Monday, Mr Biden - now president-elect - will name a group of leading scientists as his advisers to create an "action blueprint" on how to deal with the pandemic.

He also has "agency review teams" to consider how he wants to run the country.

The statement continued: "Across the board we will continue laying the foundation for the incoming Biden-Harris administration to successfully restore faith and trust in our institutions and lead the federal government."

Donald Trump is still refusing to concede and has fired off a barrage of tweets with unfounded claims about electoral fraud - including that tens of thousands of votes were illegally cast.

In one post, using capital letters, he declared: "I WON THE ELECTION, GOT 71,000,000 LEGAL VOTES" - Twitter immediately flagged it as misleading.

In Mr Trump's latest tweets, he appeared to quote a law professor as saying: "We're seeing a number of affidavits that there has been voter fraud. We have a history in this country of election problems."

Democrat Joe Biden defeated Mr Trump to become the 46th president of the United States on Saturday, positioning himself to be a leader who "seeks not to divide, but to unify".

His victory followed more than three days of uncertainty as election officials sorted through a surge of mail-in votes that delayed processing.

Mr Biden crossed the winning threshold of 270 Electoral College votes with a win in Pennsylvania.

"I sought this office to restore the soul of America," he said in a prime-time victory speech not far from his Delaware home, adding: "and to make America respected around the world again and to unite us here at home".

[GiRTh]

US election results: Joe Biden launches website and details first order of business...


Victorious Joe Biden and his team have launched their official transition website and social media channels, laying the groundwork for taking over as US president.

The team has spent months making the arrangements and on its website, BuildBackBetter.com, outlined a "seven-point plan to beat COVID-19", and said: "We aren't just going to rebuild what has worked in the past. This is our opportunity to build back better than ever."

In a statement, Mr Biden's team said: "The crises we are facing are severe - from a global pandemic to an economic recession to racial injustice to the climate crisis. Our work continues full speed today."

And in their first Tweet, the Biden transition team said: "We stand together as one America. We will rise stronger than we were before."

On Monday, Mr Biden - now president-elect - will name a group of leading scientists as his advisers to create an "action blueprint" on how to deal with the pandemic.

He also has "agency review teams" to consider how he wants to run the country.

The statement continued: "Across the board we will continue laying the foundation for the incoming Biden-Harris administration to successfully restore faith and trust in our institutions and lead the federal government."

Donald Trump is still refusing to concede and has fired off a barrage of tweets with unfounded claims about electoral fraud - including that tens of thousands of votes were illegally cast.

In one post, using capital letters, he declared: "I WON THE ELECTION, GOT 71,000,000 LEGAL VOTES" - Twitter immediately flagged it as misleading.

In Mr Trump's latest tweets, he appeared to quote a law professor as saying: "We're seeing a number of affidavits that there has been voter fraud. We have a history in this country of election problems."

Democrat Joe Biden defeated Mr Trump to become the 46th president of the United States on Saturday, positioning himself to be a leader who "seeks not to divide, but to unify".

His victory followed more than three days of uncertainty as election officials sorted through a surge of mail-in votes that delayed processing.

Mr Biden crossed the winning threshold of 270 Electoral College votes with a win in Pennsylvania.

"I sought this office to restore the soul of America," he said in a prime-time victory speech not far from his Delaware home, adding: "and to make America respected around the world again and to unite us here at home".Excellent news. Soon it'll be just Trump and his children whining.

[arista]

President Trump has again gone to the same
Golf Course.

[Niamh.]

...anyways, I do feel that he’s the best choice but it’s staggering what we have to ‘overlook’ or accept in some very prominent positions ...that wouldn’t be acceptable in other areas of employment etc...Absolutely. I'm really glad though much more than Biden winning that his VP is a woman, you would like to think she's the beginning of more to follow and not just a once off novelty

[Ammi]

Excellent news. Soon it'll be just Trump and his children whining.

...Biden is really talking a good talk atm of a president that’s so been needed, Girth...

[Ammi]

Absolutely. I'm really glad though much more than Biden winning that his VP is a woman, you would like to think she's the beginning of more to follow and not just a once off novelty

...yeah it’s such a fabulous moment in history and I’m thrilled for her...:lovedup:...and maybe that step to the presidency for a female could be something we would all be seeing as well...

[Denver]

Can we just talk about how empowering to his woman Biden is? The way he always puts Jill up on a pedalstall is amazing and so refreshing for a male in the public eye to do so

[GiRTh]

President Trump has again gone to the same
Golf Course.:laugh:
He must be going out of his mind.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can we just talk about how empowering to women Biden is? The way he always puts Jill up on a pedalstall is amazing and so refreshing for a male in the public eye to do so

yes, he certainly is an empowerer

Eight women have alleged that Biden either touched them inappropriately or violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable.

One of those women, Tara Reade, alleges that Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993. Biden has unequivocally denied assaulting or harassing Reade.

Biden has also been criticized for repeatedly commenting on the physical appearance of women on the campaign trail, and for refusing to explicitly apologize for his behavior.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6?r=US&IR=T

[GiRTh]

Absolutely. I'm really glad though much more than Biden winning that his VP is a woman, you would like to think she's the beginning of more to follow and not just a once off noveltyI think it'll happen more often too. Remember John McCain had that idiot Sarah Palin as his running mate so hopefully it wont be a one off.

[GiRTh]

yes, he certainly is an empowerer

Eight women have alleged that Biden either touched them inappropriately or violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable.

One of those women, Tara Reade, alleges that Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993. Biden has unequivocally denied assaulting or harassing Reade.

Biden has also been criticized for repeatedly commenting on the physical appearance of women on the campaign trail, and for refusing to explicitly apologize for his behavior.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6?r=US&IR=T:laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

:laugh:
He must be going out of his mind.

His 300th day golfing. In a 4 year term, he's spent nearly a whole year on trump golf courses.

[Niamh.]

I think it'll happen more often too. Remember John McCain had that idiot Sarah Palin as his running mate so hopefully it wont be a one off.Yeah I'm glad Kamala was the first over Sarah Palin [emoji28]

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh:

casual sexism isnt funny


:umm2:

[Shaun]

Can we just talk about how empowering to women Biden is? The way he always puts Jill up on a pedalstall is amazing and so refreshing for a male in the public eye to do so

Please stop asking to be embarrassed

[GiRTh]

casual sexism isnt funny


:umm2:You're right it isnt. :shrug:

[Liam-]

Trump supporters pretending to suddenly have any morals on behaviour is peak 2020

[GiRTh]

His 300th day golfing. In a 4 year term, he's spent nearly a whole year on trump golf courses.Surely Trump has to be the laziest President ever. :bored:

[Denver]

Please stop asking to be embarrassed

You clearly have not seen the way he treats and speaks about his wife

[Denver]

yes, he certainly is an empowerer

Eight women have alleged that Biden either touched them inappropriately or violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable.

One of those women, Tara Reade, alleges that Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993. Biden has unequivocally denied assaulting or harassing Reade.

Biden has also been criticized for repeatedly commenting on the physical appearance of women on the campaign trail, and for refusing to explicitly apologize for his behavior.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6?r=US&IR=T

Mate you defended dozens of Trump rape allegations

[DouglasS]

Can we just talk about how empowering to women Biden is? The way he always puts Jill up on a pedalstall is amazing and so refreshing for a male in the public eye to do so

:joker::joker::joker:

This has got to be a joke

[Tom4784]

Absolutely. I'm really glad though much more than Biden winning that his VP is a woman, you would like to think she's the beginning of more to follow and not just a once off novelty

I think it's likely she will be the first female president too, as I do think it's likely that Biden will step down either in 2024, or sometime before. It's too early to say for sure but I think it would be a worthy bet to say that 2024 will possibly be Kamala vs Mitt Romney.

She's imperfect, but I do think she'll probably make a better president than Biden and, without a shadow of a doubt, far superior to Trump.

[Denver]

I think it's likely she will be the first female president too, as I do think it's likely that Biden will step down either in 2024, or sometime before. It's too early to say for sure but I think it would be a worthy bet to say that 2024 will possibly be Kamala vs Mitt Romney.

She's imperfect, but I do think she'll probably make a better president than Biden and, without a shadow of a doubt, far superior to Trump.

My guess it they will go for Kamala then they will possibly go for Stacey

[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely Trump has to be the laziest President ever. :bored:

eh

he is up half the night tweeting like a total pro

i bet sleepy joe wont light up twitter like our Donald has

[Denver]

eh

he is up half the night tweeting like a total pro

i bet sleepy joe wont light up twitter like our Donald has

Soon he will be permanently banned from Twitter

[Tom4784]

Biden will probably be too busy governing the country to tweet endlessly like a triggered teenager.

[Black Dagger]

eh

he is up half the night tweeting like a total pro

i bet sleepy joe wont light up twitter like our Donald has

Trump tweets so often and yet Biden in the last couple of days has had more interaction refweets and likes wise than Trump has ever had. He must feel pig sick x

[Liam-]

I think it's likely she will be the first female president too, as I do think it's likely that Biden will step down either in 2024, or sometime before. It's too early to say for sure but I think it would be a worthy bet to say that 2024 will possibly be Kamala vs Mitt Romney.

She's imperfect, but I do think she'll probably make a better president than Biden and, without a shadow of a doubt, far superior to Trump.

No way will it be Romney, Trump has completely brainwashed the Republican Party, they’d never choose him to run, it’ll either be one of Trumps moronic children or someone like Tucker Carlson

[GiRTh]

Soon he will be permanently banned from Twitter:clap1:

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmUBlN6VkAA_Cv4?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

:laugh:
He must be going out of his mind.


No
staying away from the Political Storm
more like.

[Oliver_W]

The way he always puts Jill up on a pedalstall is amazing and so refreshing for a male in the public eye to do so

https://www.atlanticshopping.co.uk/images/20160513131611/ap/resizeandpad:480:480/93933/pedal-stool-bs4734-tag1.jpg

King of making his woman keep fit.

[Tom4784]

No way will it be Romney, Trump has completely brainwashed the Republican Party, they’d never choose him to run, it’ll either be one of Trumps moronic children or someone like Tucker Carlson

Nah, the Republicans only backed Trump when it benefitted their numbers, and in the end Trump ended up alienating the middle republicans that cost him the election. If they go extreme again with their next candidate, the same thing will happen and they'll lose. There are two Senate seats up for grabs in January, I believe, so the effects of Trump could end up costing the Republicans the senate.

Republicans will go for a more moderate option that is likely to pick up swing votes and moderates and Mitt Romney has noticeably positioned himself as that kind of candidate, most likely for the purpose of candidacy down the line.

[arista]

[USA election results: Trump is back at the golf course - and still not
conceding power
The USA president has reportedly been advised
to quit by his son-in-law, but his two sons
and lawyer back his bid to fight on.]

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-results-donald-trump-says-hes-just-beginning-as-he-sticks-to-script-with-no-sign-of-conceding-12127489

[Oliver_W]

[USA election results: Trump is back at the golf course - and still not
conceding power
The USA president has reportedly been advised
to quit by his son-in-law, but his two sons
and lawyer back his bid to fight on.]

https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-results-donald-trump-says-hes-just-beginning-as-he-sticks-to-script-with-no-sign-of-conceding-12127489

He should really save himself the time and stress, just spend the rest of his days golfing or whatever. The party won't be behind him, if there is actually any fraud (unlikely) it will be long hidden... and if he were right, the fraud was exposed, and he got his second term, America doesn't need even more riots. So yeah, on all counts he should just accept he lost this one.

[Sticks]

Why should Trump concede when there is voter fraud

Come tomorrow when Trump#s lawyers can get to court, that smile will soon be wiped off the UNDemocratic party.

There are many out there pointing to these voting irregularities on a massive scale.

Soon after the Supreme Court rightly declares that Trump actually won, Biden will be arrested and convicted of election fraud along with Karmala Harris.

Get this through your heads

BIDEN HAS NOT WON!!!! HE IS NOT PRESIDENT ELECT
THE ELECTION CANNOT BE CALLED BY THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA ELITE
THIS ELECTION IS NOT OVER

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmUBlN6VkAA_Cv4?format=jpg&name=medium

And all brave enough to put their necks on the line to serve their fellow countrymen

Its more than any of us will ever achieve so they should all be admired for having a go

even shagger clinton

[Denver]

Voter fraud but he has already had a dozen cases thrown out of course because of it

[Sticks]

This article (https://news.sky.com/story/us-election-2020-trump-launches-battleground-legal-challenges-will-he-win-12124666) highlights the frauds perpetrated by the UNDemocrats

Carol Laham, partner in Wiley Rein LLP's nationally-recognized Election Law & Government Ethics Practice

Ms Laham told Sky News: "Every state has its own requirements for the conduct of the election in that state, and the Trump campaign must prove that the election is not being conducted in accordance with the state requirements.

"If the campaign has sufficient evidence to prove the violation alleged then it has a chance of being successful on the merits."

[Denver]

Literally his people are part of the team counting the votes so he is saying his party is cheating

[Denver]

Also alot of GOP positions have spoken out against it and said its not true and only the people who The Obese Turtle radicalised believe it

[arista]

"Why should Trump concede when there is voter fraud"


But Sticks not Enough to change the Result.

[Sticks]

This is doing the rounds on Facebook

"Looks like this (election) could go to the Supreme Court and they could rule that the election is invalid due to fraud or mistakes on a country wide scale. It will go one of two ways...
1. They rule all unconstitutional mail in ballots will be removed and the states ordered to recount without them or
2. They will simply rule the election is invalid due to mass voter fraud.
And at that point it will be sent to the Congress and the Senate for a vote. This is where it gets good. Next The house/congress votes on who the President will be. It has nothing to do with what party that has power. Every State gets one vote and 30 States are held by Republicans and 19 by Democrats. They have to vote down party lines, they have no choice due to the 12th Amendment of the Constitution and the Senate votes for the Vice President where a similar even will take place. This is The law. This is why the Democrats are so mad at Nancy Pelosi. This will all happen in January. The only way President Trump won’t be President is if he concedes the election and that will never happen. So stop watching the fake news and don’t let your heart be troubled and live your life knowing this will all work out.
Remember in 2000 they called Gore the President Elect for 30 days until the courts ruled against him and declared Bush the winner. And two people that were part of that decision was none other that new Supreme Court Justices, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett. Why do you think the Democrats tried so hard to keep them from being confirmed.""

So it is looking like Trump could be declared as the TRUE winner of the election.

[reece(:]

The MAGA crowd acting more desperate by the day, just accept defeat and move on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://stmedia.stimg.co/ows_4a118bf5-c4bf-4b2e-a58d-bcc74344a2d3.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces

[Ramsay]

If they fixed the election why not make it a landslide? Why not fix the senate?
Please apply some critical thinking skills and accept the loss and move on

[Liam-]

If they fixed the election why not make it a landslide? Why not fix the senate?
Please apply some critical thinking skills and accept the loss and move on

Yeah, let’s fix an election so we don’t have control of either the senate or congress, that’ll trick the maga bastards

[GoldHeart]

Biden has a few videos with cherry-picked awkward moments and paused facial expressions.

Trump has actual ongoing allegations of rape and sexual assault and is heavily entwined with Epstein, who was widely known to be peddling child prostitution.




... But sure Parmy, plant your anti-paedo flag against Biden :idc:.

I usually try to see where you're coming from but trying to politicise accusations of paedophilia with no evidence but a YouTube propaganda video? That's... Questionable... And if its an issue you genuinely care about I'd advise either looking into it a bit more deeply to see if there's any actual evidence, or not bringing it up at all.


The amount of disgusting things Trump has said and done, yet people still try and portray Biden as a monster it's actually ridiculous :facepalm: . So basically all they have on Biden is some odd videos manipulated to fit the narrative of "pervert"? .

What's scary is Trump die hard supporters ignore all the actual evidence of assault/ rape, corruption, racism and all round vile behaviour. He even said he'd date his own daughter wtf !! .

It's incredible how some people don't need much evidence to make accusations of "creep" against Biden, reminds me of Trump making accusations of fraud with nothing to back up those claims.

It seems if you scream and shout enough times that's supposed to be all you need to prove something is real :rolleyes: .

[Swan]

The amount of disgusting things Trump has said and done, yet people still try and portray Biden as a monster it's actually ridiculous :facepalm: . So basically all they have on Biden is some odd videos manipulated to fit the narrative of "pervert"? .

What's scary is Trump die hard supporters ignore all the actual evidence of assault/ rape, corruption, racism and all round vile behaviour. He even said he'd date his own daughter wtf !! .

It's incredible how some people don't need much evidence to make accusations of "creep" against Biden, reminds me of Trump making accusations of fraud with nothing to back up those claims.

It seems if you scream and shout enough times that's supposed to be all you need to prove something is real :rolleyes: .

Why is it that people can't criticise Biden without being called 'hardcore trump fans' or something ridiculous like that? Why can't you grasp the fact that some people merely dislike both, and are pointing out some of Biden's strange behaviour?

[Denver]

Imagine taking a Facebook post as the truth and nothing but the truth

[GoldHeart]

Why is it that people can't criticise Biden without being called 'hardcore trump fans' or something ridiculous like that? Why can't you grasp the fact that some people merely dislike both, and are pointing out some of Biden's strange behaviour?

I didn't say YOU were a die hard Trump , I said the ones who are die hard Trump fans seem to think the sun shines out his backside and that any evidence against him or criticism is "fakee nooooz" as he puts it .

You can dislike Biden all you want but I remember seeing a bias republican video bad mouthing him and calling him"senile" , and they put some awkward clips of him together . Complete propaganda of course. It's hilarious & hypocritical republicans calling Biden "senile" considering the unhinged maniac they've been supporting for the past 4 years.

Most Republicans are actually embarrassed now by the orange turtle's latest outburst .

but as I mentioned already America could of had sweet Bernie with a clean slate ,but he's older and unfortunately didn't get enough support . Whereas Biden was given a chance and it paid off in the end.

I still believe Biden will try his best in presidency . The future in America is actually looking better for once .

[Denver]

Melania and Jared are urging Trump to conceded while his sons are fanning the flames

[joeysteele]

If they fixed the election why not make it a landslide? Why not fix the senate?
Please apply some critical thinking skills and accept the loss and move on

Absolutely right.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/2j_0GJhZgl-BSClhxnvGuA/https/media.fyre.co/nvHi8eRQRwivewv73gOw_0911%20Guardian.JPG

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/Ngx55ZCajldY44RkAamH3Q/https/media.fyre.co/OSULO49MSnG1PvBtmYBF_0911%20Express.JPG

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/141E2/production/_115320428_metro-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/11AD2/production/_115320427_i-newspaper-nc.png

[arista]

https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/F3C2/production/_115320426_dt.png

[user104658]

"Stolen from me by thieves :( " is such a toddlery thing to say. I mean there are ways of saying you think the election was dishonest without the childish phrasing... It sort of makes me wonder if it's for the benefit of his semi-literate support base.

[user104658]

"Stolen from me by thieves :( " is such a toddlery thing to say. I mean there are ways of saying you think the election was dishonest without the childish phrasing... It sort of makes me wonder if it's for the benefit of his semi-literate support base.......... Then I remember that these people legally carry around assault rifles and that's horrifying....

[Ammi]

...I guess that...start to strip the power away from someone and they begin to become who they really are...I mean, it’s not that, that hasn’t been hugely apparent with his powerful position throughout...but it’s just laid bare more ...

[Ammi]

...maybe he would get into Antifa the game as well..?...now that he has a bit more time for gaming...

[Ammi]

...TS kicking his ass would be the Christmas gift we all need...

[Samm]

A loser

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/809beb8772b4d8d18350401afb700380a962689d7d4963d0f5 6bca3ae777ab33.jpg?w=600&h=548