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arista
15-11-2020, 09:54 PM
[Boris Johnson self-isolating after meeting with MP
who tested positive for Covid-19
MP Lee Anderson developed Covid-19 symptoms
after meeting the prime minister and has now tested positive.]
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-self-isolating-after-being-in-contact-with-someone-who-tested-positive-for-covid-19-12133559
Crimson Dynamo
15-11-2020, 09:59 PM
Pointless waste of time
Vanessa
15-11-2020, 10:10 PM
Why? He probably has immunity at the moment.
Kizzy
15-11-2020, 10:21 PM
I mentioned this in the covid thread why is he?
joeysteele
15-11-2020, 10:25 PM
Maybe they think he hasn't immunity.
I guess better safe than sorry.
Would be nice if he applied the same concern to those most vulnerable and elderly.
Smithy
15-11-2020, 10:25 PM
There isn’t proven immunity if you’ve had the virus once
Oliver_W
15-11-2020, 10:29 PM
He just hasn't been as robust since his (first?) bout with Covid, it might be "projection" but it really seems to have given him long term effects... Whatever he's like as a PM I hope he doesn't catch it again, it could finish him off...
Though the pessimist in me wonders if he's hiding from Sir Keir, who whups him weekly at PMQs :joker:
Kizzy
15-11-2020, 10:33 PM
Yep that was my first thought too. He's scared to be face with the jeers over his pet fascists departure.
Hang on they were both in meetings together on friday? So Cummings will be isolating too or is he visiting family like last time?
Oliver_W
15-11-2020, 10:38 PM
Isn't Demonic Cummings working from home until December or something? I know he's not based in Number Ten anymore...
There isn’t proven immunity if you’ve had the virus once
Exactly plus some bacteriologists have suggested you may only have immunity for as little as ten weeks .. he had it ages ago ..
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Crimson Dynamo
15-11-2020, 10:40 PM
There isn’t proven immunity if you’ve had the virus once
Yes but it's like flu the chances are miniscule
Pointless
Why? He probably has immunity at the moment.
Quite probably not from what I’ve heard .. he had it ages ago didn’t he .. the suggestion is you’re immune for maybe 10 to 12 weeks only
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user104658
15-11-2020, 11:43 PM
The rules are that if you have had contact with someone who tests positive, you isolate for 14 days. That's it. That simple.
There is no "... unless you've had it before so you're probably immune or think you probably won't have caught it" clause.
Is it unlikely that he'll have caught it? Probably. SHOULD it be that previously infected people don't have to isolate again? Maybe so. But currently, that's not the rule. So I'm not sure why anyone is confused about why he has to isolate.
Cherie
15-11-2020, 11:45 PM
The rules are that if you have had contact with someone who tests positive, you isolate for 14 days. That's it. That simple.
There is no "... unless you've had it before so you're probably immune or think you probably won't have caught it" clause.
Is it unlikely that he'll have caught it? Probably. SHOULD it be that previously infected people don't have to isolate again? Maybe so. But currently, that's not the rule. So I'm not sure why anyone is confused about why he has to isolate.
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user104658
15-11-2020, 11:45 PM
Quite probably not from what I’ve heard .. he had it ages ago didn’t he .. the suggestion is you’re immune for maybe 10 to 12 weeks only
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThis is incorrect Zizu, there have been a number of examples of SOME people showing REDUCED immunity after that period of time. Reduced immunity does not mean no immunity, and it also doesn't mean that there aren't individual differences. Some people will still have high antibody levels at 12 weeks, some people will have levels reduced far enough that it makes them vulnerable to reinfection. Also, as with everything Covid-related it seems, it varies by age group.
GoldHeart
16-11-2020, 12:05 AM
Why doesn't he just quit office completely
arista
16-11-2020, 12:13 AM
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This is incorrect Zizu, there have been a number of examples of SOME people showing REDUCED immunity after that period of time. Reduced immunity does not mean no immunity, and it also doesn't mean that there aren't individual differences. Some people will still have high antibody levels at 12 weeks, some people will have levels reduced far enough that it makes them vulnerable to reinfection. Also, as with everything Covid-related it seems, it varies by age group.
Fair enough ...
That said .. it seems that nobody is 100% certain on anything as regards the Covid virus and immunity...
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user104658
16-11-2020, 12:37 AM
Fair enough ...
That said .. it seems that nobody is 100% certain on anything as regards the Covid virus and immunity...
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThat's true, it just hasn't been around long enough to really know a lot of these things for sure.
I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that more is known about it than has been known about any other virus in under a year of study, though.
Kizzy
16-11-2020, 01:07 AM
The rules are that if you have had contact with someone who tests positive, you isolate for 14 days. That's it. That simple.
There is no "... unless you've had it before so you're probably immune or think you probably won't have caught it" clause.
Is it unlikely that he'll have caught it? Probably. SHOULD it be that previously infected people don't have to isolate again? Maybe so. But currently, that's not the rule. So I'm not sure why anyone is confused about why he has to isolate.
So that's me your sniping at... yes I thought he was immune, I was hoping everyone that had had it was immune . What's wrong with that? ...with 99% of viruses that's the case so it's not that way out to think this would be the case.
Personally I think YOU are wrong with your reduced immunity theory. Its been shown there are 2 strains, that you've had one become immune to that then caught the other.
The 2nd infection presenting as asymptomatic.
He is the first recovered person I've heard of that has had to isolate again.
As you say the virus has only been around for a year so mosthat people are confused as to its virulence.... Except you armchair experts obviously.
while the rule is to isolate if you come in contact with someone who tests positive, you need to do it. If Boris didnt do it, people would say if the PM doesnt do it, why should we
AnnieK
16-11-2020, 06:20 AM
Yep that was my first thought too. He's scared to be face with the jeers over his pet fascists departure.
Hang on they were both in meetings together on friday? So Cummings will be isolating too or is he visiting family like last time?
Cummings will only have to isolate if he met with the MP who has tested positive or if Boris tests positive again.
My son is in his third period if isolation after having positive class mates so is isolating for 14 days but I don't have to even though we live in the same house because I have not been in contact with the child who tested positive. If my son subsequently tests positive then I will then have to isolate.
arista
16-11-2020, 07:06 AM
https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/585D/production/_115512622_metro.jpg
...hopefully he’ll use his self isolating time well and catch up with I’m a Celebrity...
arista
16-11-2020, 07:34 AM
...hopefully he’ll use his self isolating time well and catch up with I’m a Celebrity...
Avoiding Weds PMQ's
more like
joeysteele
16-11-2020, 07:57 AM
Avoiding Weds PMQ's
more like
Well he can't do it if he HAS to isolate.
So you're likely spot on arista.
So this morning Boris was on the radio just confirming that he’s simply following the rules in place ... for this type of situation..
He did add that he’s feeling absolutely fabulous and he’s bursting with antibodies !!
Now this would be a great time to have his antibodies tested and show us all the results ..
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user104658
16-11-2020, 08:36 AM
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So that's me your sniping at... yes I thought he was immune, I was hoping everyone that had had it was immune . What's wrong with that? ...with 99% of viruses that's the case so it's not that way out to think this would be the case.
Personally I think YOU are wrong with your reduced immunity theory. Its been shown there are 2 strains, that you've had one become immune to that then caught the other.
The 2nd infection presenting as asymptomatic.
He is the first recovered person I've heard of that has had to isolate again.
As you say the virus has only been around for a year so mosthat people are confused as to its virulence.... Except you armchair experts obviously.
There are a few people wondering why he would have to.
I'm also not saying anything about whether he is/isn't likely to be immune or catch it again or any of that really... the rule is if you've been in contact with someone who tests positive, you have to isolate, no exceptions... so he has to isolate. Can you imagine the uproar if he didn't isolate and they used "well, he's had it before..." as the reason?
Nicky91
16-11-2020, 08:38 AM
Why? He probably has immunity at the moment.
no he hasn't got immunity anymore
user104658
16-11-2020, 08:40 AM
no he hasn't got immunity anymore
He might have immunity, he might not... unless you have access to a recent antibody test you don't know either way.
James
16-11-2020, 09:03 AM
“Of nearly 30 million cases to date since December 2019, there have been only about 10 documented and confirmed cases of re-infections. These data suggest that resistance to reinfection might be less a function of durability of the immune response and more one of breadth,” said the authors, led by Deepta Bhattacharya, an immunobiologist at the University of Arizona College of Medicine.
https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/what-do-we-know-about-covid-19-immunity-and-reinfection-9130121/
Kazanne
16-11-2020, 09:51 AM
Why? He probably has immunity at the moment.
Well if he didn't Ness ,people would just whinge about that.
The Slim Reaper
16-11-2020, 09:53 AM
He's basically been self isolating since hiding in a fridge before the election.
Nicky91
16-11-2020, 09:55 AM
''maybe he has immunity, he doesn't''
still a good reason enough to self-isolate, if you are not sure
so i must applaud Boris for making this decision :love:
user104658
16-11-2020, 10:00 AM
so i must applaud Boris for making this decision :love:
It's the law, £1000 fine for him if he pops out to Aldi :nono:
Cherie
16-11-2020, 10:02 AM
It's no wonder the country has such high infection rates when people can't be bothered to access and read what they have to do, if you are contacted by Test and Trace and told to isolate that is what you should do, it doesn't matter if you have had it 100 times before :facepalm:
Cherie
16-11-2020, 10:03 AM
People were guffawing when Trump said he might be immune, now the narrative is Boris is immune, like literally I just give up!
AnnieK
16-11-2020, 10:04 AM
He's basically been self isolating since hiding in a fridge before the election.
:laugh:
Cherie
16-11-2020, 10:06 AM
also there is no reason that he cannot join PMQs via video link?
Crimson Dynamo
16-11-2020, 10:07 AM
will somebody let the man out to at least test his eyes?
Kazanne
16-11-2020, 10:07 AM
He's basically been self isolating since hiding in a fridge before the election.
He wasn't hiding in a fridge though was he Slim ? that was the medias interpretation of it because Boris would not do what they wanted ,he was already going in and out of the fridge as he was helping some milk company I think, To be honest I wouldn't speak to any of them either especially the GMB mob.:wavey:
user104658
16-11-2020, 10:20 AM
People were guffawing when Trump said he might be immune, now the narrative is Boris is immune, like literally I just give up!
[If Trump really did have it] he probably IS currently immune, it was only a few weeks back. Of course, the main problem with Trump is that he seemed (unsurprisingly, it's Trump after all) to not give a **** if he was putting anyone ELSE at risk by holding non-distanced non-masked gatherings. He was of the "Well I'm not gonna get it so who cares?" mindset.
Cherie
16-11-2020, 10:23 AM
[If Trump really did have it] he probably IS currently immune, it was only a few weeks back. Of course, the main problem with Trump is that he seemed (unsurprisingly, it's Trump after all) to not give a **** if he was putting anyone ELSE at risk by holding non-distanced non-masked gatherings. He was of the "Well I'm not gonna get it so who cares?" mindset.
would it matter?, he would still have to self isolate under UK guidelines
...his pinging is very well timed, though ...so there will always inevitably be speculation/scepticism etc...
user104658
16-11-2020, 10:34 AM
would it matter?, he would still have to self isolate under UK guidelines
Well, exactly. I guess like I said before, there are two separate debates: Is Boris isolating theoretically necessary and is Boris isolating what he should be doing right now. Though only the first question is a debate - the second one CURRENTLY has a clear answer, which is yes, 'cos that's what the rules say and I think we've all had out fill of politicians "bending" the rules... and they certainly know that.
I sort of think, if they do change it so that vaccinated people no longer need to isolate on contact, government officials should really be some of the first to get the jab to avoid these situations. I'd be interested to see if that actually happens, though. Can see them wanting it more thoroughly tested on the proletariat first :hehe:.
user104658
16-11-2020, 10:36 AM
...his pinging is very well timed, though ...so there will always inevitably be speculation/scepticism etc...
True. Especially as the app operates anonymously and a contact by no means indicates a likelihood of getting ill (most won't actually have caught it, it's precautionary) so really... the only evidence that exists that he was told to self isolate by the app is that he says he was.
if Boris wanted to hide away from the public gaze, he would ... he has done it plenty times before. He doesn't need the isolation excuse and it's silly to suggest otherwise. Someone has to still answer questions in parliament, it doesn't need to be Boris and again, suggesting that it would make a difference if Boris was present or not is just silly
The Slim Reaper
16-11-2020, 10:56 AM
He wasn't hiding in a fridge though was he Slim ? that was the medias interpretation of it because Boris would not do what they wanted ,he was already going in and out of the fridge as he was helping some milk company I think, To be honest I wouldn't speak to any of them either especially the GMB mob.:wavey:
That's some world class mental gymnastics. The PM shouldn't be scared of the hard hitting puff journalism of GMTV :wavey:
joeysteele
16-11-2020, 10:59 AM
...his pinging is very well timed, though ...so there will always inevitably be speculation/scepticism etc...
Of course there will be scepticism and rightly.
However this MP who has it, had it confirmed on Saturday.
However it seems said nothing to Johnson after just seeing him with it.
So Johnson had to wait for track and trace to tell him later he'd been in contact with an infected individual.
Of course he's right to isolate if told.
Because it is the law.
It's actually good to see he does now think the rules and law have to be adhered to.
Considering he didn't say so during the Cummings saga and Cummings fairytales.
I didn't see much moaning at Johnson for his support of Cummings at that time.
Amazing how they all troop out to defend Johnson and believe his almost every word.
Yes he's doing something right, for the first time in a long while.
Only however too in part because it suits him to.
Boris Johnson will become the first prime minister in history to conduct his weekly question-and-answer session with MPs via video link later, as he continues to self-isolate.
He is working from 10 Downing Street after coming into contact with fellow Conservative MP Lee Anderson, who later tested positive for coronavirus.
The PM decided to take questions rather than have deputy Dominic Raab fill in.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer will be in the Commons chamber as usual.
Up to 50 MPs are currently allowed in at any one time, with remote contributors using Zoom to ask questions and respond to ministerial statements.
Cherie
18-11-2020, 06:58 AM
Boris Johnson will become the first prime minister in history to conduct his weekly question-and-answer session with MPs via video link later, as he continues to self-isolate.
He is working from 10 Downing Street after coming into contact with fellow Conservative MP Lee Anderson, who later tested positive for coronavirus.
The PM decided to take questions rather than have deputy Dominic Raab fill in.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer will be in the Commons chamber as usual.
Up to 50 MPs are currently allowed in at any one time, with remote contributors using Zoom to ask questions and respond to ministerial statements.
Bojo reading TiBB and taking on board my suggestion :clap1:
joeysteele
18-11-2020, 08:09 AM
I'm surprised he is doing this via a link.
However of course it's right to do so.
Also, after all he's only isolating, he's not it seems ill so there's really no reason he shouldn't do the questioning.
Which isn't REALLY questioning at all, as rarely does he answer anything.
However, with the situation of so many of his MPs having to now isolate, the change of advisors with the really sad news of more rising death numbers to covid now.
With all the uncertainty around what happens after we reach 2nd December and lockdown reviewed.
( That's only 2 weeks away).
In light of only those issues, never mind all others, a PM seemingly fit but having to isolate from likely carelessness, then he SHOULD be doing this PMQ's.
Out of simple duty, because it's his job!!
So no praise from me to him for actually doing it.
REALLY he had no other choice.
What would be good to see, is him actually deal with and answer the questions put to him, rather than treating it as a platform to spout out on anything.
He's there to answer questions only.
Not ask them nor head off in other directions of speech making.
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