Armed Trump supporters attack Capital Hill (live stream)

[Denver]

Do you think anyone who breaks the law should be shot?

If its as serious as trying to attack law makers then yes, the police were there to protect them and they had no choice but to fire a shot

[Crimson Dynamo]

The woman who was shot. She knew what she was there for, unfortunately.

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a passionate woman about her country

RIP

(she should not have broken the law, however)

[The Slim Reaper]

More people who love their country

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErIiuqXXMAEcPiA?format=png&name=small

6MWE means 6 million wasnt enough (jews killed during the holocaust)

Let's see this be defended then...

[Crimson Dynamo]

More people who love their country

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErIiuqXXMAEcPiA?format=png&name=small

6MWE means 6 million wasnt enough (jews killed during the holocaust)

Let's see this be defended then...

anti- Semitism is a big problem

thankfully we crack down on it in the UK

[MTVN]

mmm I just read it was lawful!

I guess it's lawful to have a shoot to kill policy if lawmakers and the main government building are under threat but it wasn't right in that situation

I like Stu's take in here of 'the "**** everything establishment" brigade having a tailgate party'. It did have that feel to it and as worrying as it looked for a while, in the end a few hundred seemed surprised at the ease with which they entered the Capitol and then once they were there they didn't know what to do. There were no doubt some extremists there but hardly any of these people seemed to have any ideas about violent insurrection or what they wanted to do which is why they ended up taking selfies, chucking papers around and putting their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk. By 6pm it seemed to basically be all over and they'd got bored.

That woman should never have tried to do what she did but I very much doubt that's what she was there for, shes very vocal in those vids but nothing to suggest any violence nor is she saying anything that a lot of her compatriots would disagree with. More likely she was caught up in the mob mentality and that's cost her her life

[bots]

The amusing thing is that qanon were there yesterday, and they had free access to all the files and computers of all the people they accused with conspiracy theories .... and they found or did nothing

[Denver]

The amusing thing is that qanon were there yesterday, and they had free access to all the files and computers of all the people they accused with conspiracy theories .... and they found or did nothing

The one in Nancy Pelosi office stole her mail which is another major crime on his list

[user104658]

Ben Shapiro said that it was the worst day for America since 9/11!In a number of ways, it's the worst day for America since America. And that's not an exaggeration.

[Alf]

In a number of ways, it's the worst day for America since America. And that's not an exaggeration.How dare the people rise up, shame on them, put them all into camps.

We have an established order and that must be protected first and foremost, keep the peasants in their place.

[The Slim Reaper]

How dare the people rise up, shame on them, put them all into camps.

We have an established order and that must be protected first and foremost, keep the peasants in their place.

What were the peasants rising up against?

[Alf]

What were the peasants rising up against?Their one voice, their vote, being stolen.

[The Slim Reaper]

There one voice, their vote, being stolen.

Who stole their vote, and in what way?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The BLM Antifa riots/looting have a lot to answer for in this instance that is for sure

[Alf]

Who stole their vote, and in what way?The Democrats and the media and some Republicans.

The proof will come out.

[The Slim Reaper]

The Democrats and the media and some Republicans.

The proof will come out.

OK, how did they steal it?

[Alf]

OK, how did they steal it?Did you not watch the hearings of the people giving evidence that I posted last month?

[The Slim Reaper]

Did you not watch the hearings of the people giving evidence that I posted last month?

Some of it, mostly the crazy lady talking about a truck if I'm honest. If you have a clip of something definite, I'm down to watch.

[Alf]

Some of it, mostly the crazy lady talking about a truck if I'm honest. If you have a clip of something definite, I'm down to watch.But you do understand that if the people suspect that they're being conned out of their vote, then that's a reason why they would rise up? Which was your original question to me.

[The Slim Reaper]

But you do understand that if the people suspect that they're being conned out of their vote, then that's a reason why they would rise up? Which was your original question to me.

I genuinely do, but I don't get why you don't understand where that suspicion originates from. It's because they've been force fed this nonsense about fraud and it being rigged against them since the republican primaries of 2015. It's been proven false in court time and time again. Trumps lawyers even refused to allow the public to view proceedings the other day, so if they had all this genuine evidence, you'd think they'd at least want us to see it.

[Oliver_W]

I don't really trust any politicians tbh, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was shenanigans. I don't think there was though, not without actual proof.

[Scarlett.]

I dont get why people are shocked someone who violently raided federal property was shot, what the **** do you expect?

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't really trust any politicians tbh, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was shenanigans. I don't think there was though, not without actual proof.

Reading that was a roller-coaster. :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dont get why people are shocked someone who violently raided federal property was shot, what the **** do you expect?

it was an unarmed young woman

the world is shocked

poor woman RIP and condolences to her family

[Scarlett.]

it was an unarmed young woman

the world is shocked

poor woman RIP and condolences to her family

I'm not shocked, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

If only people questioned why so many were killed or crippled in the BLM protests. When they were legally protesting and not raiding the seat of Government.

[AnnieK]

it was an unarmed young woman

the world is shocked

poor woman RIP and condolences to her family

She was committing a criminal act....you're the first to condemn that normally when police open fire on a "perp"

[bots]

it was an unarmed young woman

the world is shocked

poor woman RIP and condolences to her family

the same way you are so shocked and outraged when innocent unarmed black people are shot and killed ?

[GiRTh]

it was an unarmed young woman

the world is shocked

poor woman RIP and condolences to her familyI dont condone any kind of police shooting but this seems like abit of a change of attitude for yourself.

[Mystic Mock]

There is a video of the shooting and it looks an appaling and totally unnecessary act, the cop basically shooting to kill. She was unarmed and had a whole armed police team directly behind her who could easily have apprehended her if they needed to

Is anyone really shocked about this from the American Police anymore?

[Beso]

In a number of ways, it's the worst day for America since America. And that's not an exaggeration.

Dont worry, she will have her statue when it all comes out.

[user104658]

How dare the people rise up, shame on them, put them all into camps.

We have an established order and that must be protected first and foremost, keep the peasants in their place.It's based on outright lies Alf, but as I said, you came back here after being away for 6 months openly telling us that you spent that 6 months being indoctrinated by QAnon rhetoric. Remember? You made a thread about it, thinking that none of us would have heard of QAnon, and that you were back to share some newly discovered truth with us.

You drank the koolaid, we know, we get it, you told us months ago.

[Alf]

It's based on outright lies Alf, but as I said, you came back here after being away for 6 months openly telling us that you spent that 6 months being indoctrinated by QAnon rhetoric. Remember? You made a thread about it, thinking that none of us would have heard of QAnon, and that you were back to share some newly discovered truth with us.

You drank the koolaid, we know, we get it, you told us months ago.No, let's get it right. You claimed I was indoctrinated by Q, not me. I asked why nobody had been discussing them and that they were very religious people and were like watching a movie.

Now start again.

[user104658]

it was an unarmed young woman



the world is shocked



poor woman RIP and condolences to her familyAn aggressive group planned an invasion of a government building in an attempt to disrupt a democratic process... If the world is "shocked" that someone got shot then the world is dumb. I'm "shocked" that only one person got shot.

Am I happy or glad that she got shot and is dead? No not really... But I'm no more shocked that it happened than I would be if I saw a bunch of silly teenagers playing chicken on a motorway and then heard that someone had been hit by a car.

Also... Like others... Having read all of your posts about how officers fear for their lives and have to react to protect themselves on countless threads on this forum... I just can't take it seriously when you pretend to be shocked/upset that someone was shot whilst a crowd tried to smash through a barricaded door. Utter nonsense.

[user104658]

No, let's get it right. You claimed I was indoctrinated by Q, not me. I asked why nobody had been discussing them and that they were very religious people and were like watching a movie.



Now start again.A movie that you clearly got a little too invested in, as you've been shovelling QAnon Trump conspiracy rubbish onto the forum ever since, including throughout this thread.

[Beso]

Remember when those protestors hurled all that flour or something in the house of commons...what would people have said if they had been shot?

[Mystic Mock]

I dont get why people are shocked someone who violently raided federal property was shot, what the **** do you expect?

Sadly I agree with this.

I didn't want her shot, but she didn't really give The Police much choice in the matter.

In an ideal world they should've aimed for her legs, but I imagine that it was a stressful situation to be in for a Police Force that isn't well trained overall.

[user104658]

Remember when those protestors hurled all that flour or something in the house of commons...what would people have said if they had been shot?If they had smashed their way in through glass panelled doors and half of them had guns and improvised explosives, I think people would have said "Well, that was inevitable".

What would people be saying about this shooting if it had been a group of Muslim men storming into the building?

[Alf]

A movie that you clearly got a little too invested in, as you've been shovelling QAnon Trump conspiracy rubbish onto the forum ever since, including throughout this thread.I'm not the one accusing the democratically elected President of the United States as being a conspiracy theorist, I never have done in my life. I'm on Americas side.

[Beso]

If they had smashed their way in through glass panelled doors and half of them had guns and improvised explosives, I think people would have said "Well, that was inevitable".

What would people be saying about this shooting if it had been a group of Muslim men storming into the building?

They would be saying hero officers end terrorist attack.

But the weapons haul has yet to be seen

[Crimson Dynamo]

imagine if the woman was black and it was BLM doing this....

Well can you only imagine the comments


Shocking and worrying

In many ways chilling

[Beso]

Can we edit the op please as there isnt a live feed anymore.

[Scarlett.]

I'm not the one accusing the democratically elected President of the United States as being a conspiracy theorist, I never have done in my life. I'm on Americas side.

He is a conspiracy theorist though... the guy is such a loose canon that even Pence has turned his back on him. Trumps side =/= America's side

[Alf]

He is a conspiracy theorist though... the guy is such a loose canon that even Pence has turned his back on him. Trumps side =/= America's sideYou're a conspiracy theorist, I don't think it's a crime to have a theory, or at least it shouldn't be.

[Scarlett.]

You're a conspiracy theorist, I don't think it's a crime to have a theory, or at least it shouldn't be.

How am I a conspiracy theorist for believing in the democratic vote? :laugh:

[Alf]

How am I a conspiracy theorist for believing in the democratic vote? :laugh:Because just like Trump is a conspiracy theorist because you said so, you are one because I said so.

[SherzyK]

imagine if the woman was black and it was BLM doing this....

Well can you only imagine the comments


Shocking and worrying

In many ways chilling

You would show a lack of remorse and claim the police officer was just doing his job...

[GiRTh]

imagine if the woman was black and it was BLM doing this....

Well can you only imagine the comments


Shocking and worrying

In many ways chillingI'm not sure of the point you're making, are you saying something is not fair? What kind of comment would you be expecting in the scenarios you're giving? Please expand?

[Beso]

Democratic vote is a stretch when there is almost always, only 2 people to vote for.

[Scarlett.]

Because just like Trump is a conspiracy theorist because you said so, you are one because I said so.

The guy thinks the vote was rigged, which is a theory of a conspiracy. A dumb one at that. Nice try though.

[Ramsay]

Because just like Trump is a conspiracy theorist because you said so, you are one because I said so.

You make absolutely zero sense

[bots]

They would be saying hero officers end terrorist attack.

But the weapons haul has yet to be seen

a man was arrested who had a military semi-automatic rifle and 11 Molotov cocktails "that were ready to go." Is that enough of a threat for you?

[The Slim Reaper]

Patriots

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[Crimson Dynamo]

An extreme left tweet is evidence of nothing

[SherzyK]

An extreme left tweet is evidence of nothing

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-07/man-charged-in-pro-trump-riots-on-capitol-hill

The U.S. charged 55 people with crimes stemming from the siege of the U.S. Capitol perpetrated by a pro-Trump mob Wednesday, including a man who was arrested near the building with a semi automatic rifle and 11 Molotov cocktails, the Justice Department said.

The other cases include charges of unlawful entry and assault, Michael Sherwin, the acting U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia, said at a news conference Thursday.

More charges are expected in the coming weeks. “That’s a good start, but in no regard is this the end,” Sherwin said.


Among those charged was Mark Leffingwell who is accused of attacking an officer at the scene, according to a statement of facts filed in Washington federal court.

Leffingwell “attempted to push past me and other officers,” Capitol Police Officer Daniel Amendola said in the statement. “When he was deterred from advancing further into the building, Leffingwell punched me repeatedly with a closed fist. I was struck in the helmet that I was wearing and in the chest.”

According to the statement, Leffingwell later “spontaneously apologized” for striking the officer.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-07/man-charged-in-pro-trump-riots-on-capitol-hill

Thankyou for a proper link

[SherzyK]

Thankyou for a proper link

Not just an extreme left tweet you claimed it was?

[Mystic Mock]

Democratic vote is a stretch when there is almost always, only 2 people to vote for.

I would like to see more choice in the US Elections too.

[Tom4784]

it was an unarmed young woman

the world is shocked

poor woman RIP and condolences to her family

Where's this sympathy for unarmed black people who are shot in their homes by police? or just living their lives and being killed for it? You always make out that when black people are killed by police that it's their fault, that the police acted accordingly.

Which is quite interesting considering you seem to have more sympathy for a dead white terrorist than dead innocent black people.

[SherzyK]

The way she thought she was going to riot inside Capitol Hill and remain unscathed...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not just an extreme left tweet you claimed it was?
Intent

[Beso]

a man was arrested who had a military semi-automatic rifle and 11 Molotov cocktails "that were ready to go." Is that enough of a threat for you?

They shot the wrong person then.:shrug:

[Denver]

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[Beso]

I would like to see more choice in the US Elections too.

It should be the 2 choices plus the rest if the world leaders.

[Alf]

You make absolutely zero senseHere's something you can understand.

Orange man bad.

Am I cool again?

[Mystic Mock]

Here's something you can understand.

Orange man bad.

Am I cool again?

Poor Christopher Maloney still getting abuse for his performances on TXF 8 years later.

[Mystic Mock]

It should be the 2 choices plus the rest if the world leaders.

I'd just like more Parties formed in the US.

[Jake.]

it was an unarmed young woman

the world is shocked

poor woman RIP and condolences to her family

George Floyd was an unarmed man, would be interesting to go back and see your initial reaction to his death wouldn’t it

[Ramsay]

Here's something you can understand.

Orange man bad.

Am I cool again?

Orange fan mad

[SherzyK]

There’s so much hypocrisy coming from certain right wingers. They recognise the issues that occurred yesterday, but instead choose to try and justify the actions of those terrorists rather than sit back and think how it may affect others who care about democracy. When you present facts, the only rebuttal is just delusions and conspiracy theories.

At this point I just think of it as desperate trolling and people shouldn’t waste their energy on it

[Crimson Dynamo]

There’s so much hypocrisy coming from certain right wingers. They recognise the issues that occurred yesterday, but instead choose to try and justify the actions of those terrorists rather than sit back and think how it may affect others who care about democracy. When you present facts, the only rebuttal is just delusions and conspiracy theories.

At this point I just think of it as desperate trolling and people shouldn’t waste their energy on it

You say you know what they think?

Also can you specify who exactly you mean as it's unclear, as you stated certain people

[SherzyK]

Anyways, moving swiftly on...

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A thread of people involved in the Capitol Hill attack. Oh and look, surprise surprise, none of them are affiliated with Antifa and are in fact genuine Trump supporters

[Tom4784]

It honestly hurts my brain that some people can be told some very simple facts and then disregard them for an illogical fairy tale. Oh, your pick for president didn't win? It must all be a conspiracy, because it's better to think that there's some dumbass illogical conspiracy at play then simply admit that the person they deluded themselves about lost.

It's just infantile behaviour and it's coming from people of all ages, it's just gross. The reality is that Trump lost, and that the recounts actually proved to find more votes for Biden so that if there was any shenanigans going on, it would have aided Trump more than anyone else. Denying reality will get people nowhere. There's no proof of any crime occuring, people just believe it because a fat orange man that lost a vote told them so.

Wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. fairy tales do not exist. You will never go to Hogwarts, you aren't some kind of chosen one, and Donald Trump did not win the election.

It's scary how out of touch from reality people have become. How normal it is to see these people trying to speak fiction into existence. These people are in serious need of help and should not be without adult supervision.

[Alf]

There’s so much hypocrisy coming from certain right wingers. They recognise the issues that occurred yesterday, but instead choose to try and justify the actions of those terrorists rather than sit back and think how it may affect others who care about democracy. When you present facts, the only rebuttal is just delusions and conspiracy theories.

At this point I just think of it as desperate trolling and people shouldn’t waste their energy on itI bet you actually cheered when Antifa and BLM teamed up to invade Seattle and claim a piece of American land as their own country?

The country of Chaz

[The Slim Reaper]

I bet you actually cheered when Antifa and BLM teamed up to invade Seattle and claim a piece of American land as their own country?

The country of Chaz

You saw the Fa yesterday. Everyone should be Anti today

[Scarlett.]

I bet you actually cheered when Antifa and BLM teamed up to invade Seattle and claim a piece of American land as their own country?

The country of Chaz

Rather cheer for anti-facists than facists

[Alf]

Rather cheer for anti-facists than facistsAnti-facists by name only. Colonisers by actions.

[The Slim Reaper]

Well then...

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[Alf]

You saw the Fa yesterday. Everyone should be Anti todayI don't need labels, my actions of not being a facist does all the talking.

[Scarlett.]

Anti-facists by name only. Colonisers by actions.

Your mates the proud boys paraded the Confederate flag in the halls of the Capitol

[Alf]

Your mates the proud boys paraded the Confederate flag in the halls of the CapitolGood for them.

[SherzyK]

I bet you actually cheered when Antifa and BLM teamed up to invade Seattle and claim a piece of American land as their own country?

The country of Chaz

Who is Chaz?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/75170dc2a4ef5094dc31cb5ce5cafa3e/tenor.gif?itemid=10400571

[Alf]

Who is Chaz?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/75170dc2a4ef5094dc31cb5ce5cafa3e/tenor.gif?itemid=10400571A former country. I believe it had other names too, but I can't remember them, I only knew it as Chaz.

[SherzyK]

A former country. I believe it had other names too, but I can't remember them, I only knew it as Chaz.

Right sorry, the post itself didn’t make sense because it just sounded like more conspiracy theories being regurgitated. And anyway, why are you so against someone being anti fascist?

[Alf]

Right sorry, the post itself didn’t make sense because it just sounded like more conspiracy theories being regurgitated. And anyway, why are you so against someone being anti fascist?Antifa being anti-facist is a conspiracy theory.

Prove me wrong

[Alf]

Right sorry, the post itself didn’t make sense because it just sounded like more conspiracy theories being regurgitated. And anyway, why are you so against someone being anti fascist?Go look it up, it happened this year.

[SherzyK]

Antifa being anti-facist is a conspiracy theory.

Prove me wrong

Not you doing what you do best and twisting my words and completely avoiding my question. Very predictable of you x

Would you be so kind to prove me wrong then...?

[Alf]

Not you doing what you do best and twisting my words and completely avoiding my question. Very predictable of you x

Would you be so kind to prove me wrong then...?I made a post highlighting fascism in Scotland tonight, in the Covid thread, so yes, I speak out about fascism, when it's there, I don't need to label myself, I let my actions do the talking.

Those that need to label themselves "anifa" make me suspect that they've got something darker to hide.

[SherzyK]

I made a post highlighting fascism in Scotland tonight, in the Covid thread, so yes, I speak out about fascism, when it's there, I don't need to label myself, I let my actions do the talking.

Those that need to label themselves "anifa"make me suspect that they've got something darker to hide.

So you don’t have any evidence to support your claim then. Right

https://image.ibb.co/fi88oK/RBp3uIw.gif

[SherzyK]

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The fact this would never happen

Also, not me misreading “executive” for “execution”

[Oliver_W]

Antifa are just a bunch of thugs, no better or worse than Proud Boys. Their name is meaningless, virtually everyone js against facism these days. Just because that particular group of thugs decided to name themselves after it, doesn't make them any less knuckle-brained. Nothing about their actions or targets suggests they're actually against facism, any more than the Proud Boys act like they have anything to be proud about.

[Denver]

A police officer was murdered last night

[hijaxers]

A police officer was murdered last night

Yes dreadful ~ he was hit over thead with a fire extinguisher. Thugs all of them.

[Beso]

I hate the words trump supporters..

Republicans would be better imo.

[The Slim Reaper]

I hate the words trump supporters..

Republicans would be better imo.

I agree. Republicans can't be allowed to get away with it over word games.

[Oliver_W]

I hate the words trump supporters..

Republicans would be better imo.

I doubt most regular Republican voters would support storming the Capitol, and Trumpism doesn't allign perfectly with standard Republicanism, so yes I'd say Trump Supporters fits better than Republican.

[The Slim Reaper]

I doubt most regular Republican voters would support storming the Capitol, and Trumpism doesn't allign perfectly with standard Republicanism, so yes I'd say Trump Supporters fits better than Republican.

45% of republicans supported the insurrection according to polls. At what point is there a separation?

Trump has something like 85-90% approval with republicans.

[Cherie]

A police officer was murdered last night

He died of injuries sustained on Wednesday’s attack on Capitol Hill, he returned to his station and collapsed and died later

[Cherie]

Russia and China are loving this, America is a laughing stock

[Oliver_W]

Russia and China are loving this, America is a laughing stock

All those bots seem to have paid off :joker: :crazy:

[James]

'Those that can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities'.

[Denver]

He died of injuries sustained on Wednesday’s attack on Capitol Hill, he returned to his station and collapsed and died later

Yes after being smacked in the head with a fire extinguisher, it's murder they went with the intention to hurt or kill

[Denver]

Not sure if its been mentioned but they had zip ties so they planned on taking hostages

[user104658]

Not sure if its been mentioned but they had zip ties so they planned on taking hostagesTbh it's pretty amusing thinking about them storming in with guns, explosives and zip-ties imagining they would successfully over-turn the government... And then it ended up fizzling out like a damp firework as soon as it got real.

I can only imagine they thought more people would turn up than actually did. More serious people, at least. A lot of them were there for the drama and just did a collective :omgno: and left when they realised that they actually might get in trouble for this. Really quite the portrait of privilege I guess.

[bots]

Tbh it's pretty amusing thinking about them storming in with guns, explosives and zip-ties imagining they would successfully over-turn the government... And then it ended up fizzling out like a damp firework as soon as it got real.

I can only imagine they thought more people would turn up than actually did. More serious people, at least. A lot of them were there for the drama and just did a collective :omgno: and left when they realised that they actually might get in trouble for this. Really quite the portrait of privilege I guess.

the proud boys intended to kidnap Nancy and Pence and hang them, and to be honest, they probably could have done it if they were a bit more organised

[Oliver_W]

Aren't zipties those things you keep cables tidy with, or keep plants growing where you want them? the state of those guys :joker:

[bots]

Aren't zipties those things you keep cables tidy with, or keep plants growing where you want them? the state of those guys :joker:

they are often used as handcuffs

[arista]

Aren't zipties those things you keep cables tidy with, or keep plants growing where you want them? the state of those guys :joker:



Yes Strong Plastic
Tight on your hands
used by Police in the USA.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/817hRtvVm8L._AC_SY550_.jpg

[SherzyK]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/capitol-police-officer-killed/index.html

I guess Blue Lives don’t really matter after all...

[Tom4784]

Blue lives only matter when they are killing black people.

Blue Lives Matter basically translates to 'we support killing black people'.

[GiRTh]

ulvBH8ccd2g
:bored:

[Tom4784]

Not committing acts of terrorism would be a good start.

[SherzyK]

Trump has stoked so much anger and filled their heads with so many lies, that they believe the election was actually “stolen” and that their actions and fury are justified.

It’s a scary but stupid sight

[user104658]

"It's unquestionable that it was stolen, there's SO MUCH proof."

See... I don't doubt that they believe this. This is highlighting the danger of living in echo chambers both on and offline. They literally cannot understand how people "can't see what they see"because they have been spammed relentlessly with one version of reality... it's quite sad.

[Tom4784]

It's a cult mindset, basically, a cult of extremists that have been radicalised and now, they've been weaponised.

[GiRTh]

It kind of blows up any theory that it was just a few people saying '**** the establishment'. These people genuinely think they are losing 'their' country.

I agree Trump has stoked this resentment throughout his entire term and to hold a rally after he has lost, when tensions are at their highest, and still claim he didnt lose shows a clear intent to incite.

[arista]

Not committing acts of terrorism would be a good start.


It was not Terrorism
The Cops shot one protestor dead.


Terrorism is Killing people with machine guns or a Lorry or a Bomb

The police pulled back
almost as to let them all in.

[SherzyK]

It was not Terrorism
The Cops shot one protestor dead.


Terrorism is Killing people with machine guns or a Lorry or a Bomb

The police pulled back
almost as to let them all in.

From which dictionary did you dig this definition up from?

[AnnieK]

It was not Terrorism
The Cops shot one protestor dead.


Terrorism is Killing people with machine guns or a Lorry or a Bomb

The police pulled back
almost as to let them all in.

No it isn't just that at all and you know it

[The Slim Reaper]

"It's unquestionable that it was stolen, there's SO MUCH proof."

See... I don't doubt that they believe this. This is highlighting the danger of living in echo chambers both on and offline. They literally cannot understand how people "can't see what they see"because they have been spammed relentlessly with one version of reality... it's quite sad.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErOLWOWXcAAcWiv?format=jpg&name=small

[thesheriff443]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErOLWOWXcAAcWiv?format=jpg&name=small

I’m starting to think you don’t like trump.

[Ramsay]

It was not Terrorism
The Cops shot one protestor dead.


Terrorism is Killing people with machine guns or a Lorry or a Bomb

The police pulled back
almost as to let them all in.

Go look up the definition of terrorism and get back to us Arista

[SherzyK]

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This is just so wrong :/

[Alf]

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This is just so wrong :/Yeah, because that really happened.

[Alf]

Trump has stoked so much anger and filled their heads with so many lies, that they believe the election was actually “stolen” and that their actions and fury are justified.

It’s a scary but stupid sightThe Russians did it, I know because my TV told me so. Jussie Smollett was beaten by MAGA, I know this to be true, because the people inside my television told me so.

If only the people inside my TV had known about Jimmy Saville all along. But the people inside the TV who worked and partied with him, only found out he was a monster at the same time as the rest of us.

I love the people inside my television.

[SherzyK]

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:bored:

[Ramsay]

Yeah, because that really happened.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/01/07/trump-supporters-attack-black-woman-dtla/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[user104658]

The Russians did it, I know because my TV told me so. Jussie Smollett was beaten by MAGA, I know this to be true, because the people inside my television told me so.

If only the people inside my TV had known about Jimmy Saville all along. But the people inside the TV who worked and partied with him, only found out he was a monster at the same time as the rest of us.

I love the people inside my television.I have to wonder what on earth has lead Alf to believe that other people are getting their ideas "from the fake news telly" and that it's just him who is getting the true fact from the Internet...

... Whilst talking to people on the internet.

I genuinely blame Josy and James, that 6 month ban drove him right into the hands of MAGA extremism :worry:.

[Nicky91]

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:bored:

disgusting

[SherzyK]

Yeah idk why the Jussie Smolett case is still relevant in people’s minds 2 years on. When it was clear what happened, people condemned him for it and he wasn’t spared. However, despite the many wrongdoings of pro trump supporters, people are too quick to look the other way.

I’m starting to think the only reason Jussie Smolett keeps being brought up is because it’s the only success they have in proving something wrong and want to keep using this same case at every opportunity

[user104658]

I’m starting to think the only reason Jussie Smolett keeps being brought up is because it’s the only success they have in proving something wrong and want to keep using this same case at every opportunity

Yes, I imagine so... You know the pickings are slim when people have to bring up a minor, petty example of people buying into dishonesty from several years ago. If there were bigger, better or more recent examples people would point to those but apparently, there are not.

Besides that - if we cared to dig up the thread - there were actually plenty of people on here (myself included) who were agreeing that some things about the Smolett accusation didn't add up and that it would be prudent to wait to see how the evidence unfolded before jumping to conclusions. Short memories, I guess. Sadly, Alf can no longer see my posts to be corrected :(.

[Withano]

Remember when Clinton supporters were bad losers for crying in the street.

[GoldHeart]

Remember when Clinton supporters were bad losers for crying in the street.

yeah apparently left wing supporters are snowflakes and bad losers, yet it's ok for far right extremists to attack and enforce violence when their Savoir Trump won't admit defeat :crazy: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

something tells me this biden 4 years aint gonna be pretty...

[GiRTh]

something tells me this biden 4 years aint gonna be pretty...You've expressed an opinion. Are you feeling Ok today? :wink:

So following on, why? Trumpism clearly has followers, but I think this is just like the rise of the Tea Party and birtherism and hopefully Trumpism will have the same fate and be pushed to the fringes. They'll get some traction maybe a seat or two in the house but hopefully not more. The question for me, is who is going to be the main purveyor of Trumpism? Surely Ted Cruz must face some consequences for actually attempting to challenge the election so cant see a way forward for him.

What are you thoughts?

[Mystic Mock]

I hate the words trump supporters..

Republicans would be better imo.

Tbf I think that the Republicans will be tarnished by this incident for years to come, and I feel sorry for their genuine supporters who have been tarnished with the cult section of the Trump fanatics.

I'm not saying that all Trump supporters are like the terrorists just to make myself clear, but again sadly the terrorists will have tarred them all with the same brush sadly which is terrible for America.

[Mystic Mock]

Trump has stoked so much anger and filled their heads with so many lies, that they believe the election was actually “stolen” and that their actions and fury are justified.

It’s a scary but stupid sight

That's why I hold Trump personally responsible for all of this because tbf to his supporters if they're hearing their idol say that the Election was "stolen" and they already don't like Biden, and some Republican Senators and Media Outlets are backing up Trump's claims, they're gonna believe the claims sadly.

Tbf I would probably respond in a similar way if I thought that we had a dictator running the UK, even if it turned out that I was wrong, what needed to happen and what still needs to happen is for Trump to admit the truth to his voters so that it all calms down.

[SherzyK]

Tbf I would probably respond in a similar way if I thought that we had a dictator running the UK, even if it turned out that I was wrong, what needed to happen and what still needs to happen is for Trump to admit the truth to his voters so that it all calms down.

I want to believe you but after his concession speech yesterday some of his supporters seem to have turned against him. I can only imagine this is going to add fuel to the fire

[SherzyK]

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heLL1ExEzQA

[Mystic Mock]

I want to believe you but after his concession speech yesterday some of his supporters seem to have turned against him. I can only imagine this is going to add fuel to the fire

Well at this point if they try anything then they need to be arrested.

America can't have a night like Capitol Hill again.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes Strong Plastic
Tight on your hands
used by Police in the USA.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/817hRtvVm8L._AC_SY550_.jpg

Kinky.:smug:

[Oliver_W]

something tells me this biden 4 years aint gonna be pretty...

By and large, it probably won't be much different than the past four years.

[GiRTh]

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heLL1ExEzQA:clap1:

Excellent. One down.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Let's hope they also catch all the BLM looters

:fc:

[SherzyK]

Let's hope they also catch all the BLM looters

:fc:

There were no BLM looters during the attack on Capitol Hill, what are you talking about?

[GiRTh]

Let's hope they also catch all the BLM looters

:fc:Do you have proof for this outrageous claim?

[Tom4784]

LT trying to downplay terrorism by bringing up Black Lives Matter and making out that looting is somehow worse than or equal to an attack on the US' symbol of democracy?

Careful LT, your white hood is showing.

[SherzyK]

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It just gets better

[Tom4784]

At least the grandmother has some sense, I suppose.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErPiZTaVkAAgFpB?format=jpg&name=small

[SherzyK]

It amuses me that LT and others are pedantic and delusional enough to focus on one small issue and try to use that to justify the heinous and terroristic behaviour that took place at Capitol Hill

Also, why make such a controversial point and flee at the first opportunity

[Alf]

Let's hope they also catch all the BLM looters

:fc:And let's hope they catch the ones in the Capitol building.


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[Alf]

Update

They caught him last night.

Let's all cheer in celebration


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[Scarlett.]

Aw lawd Trump comin
https://i.imgur.com/3ivN6kM.jpg

[Oliver_W]

Let's hope they also catch all the BLM looters

:fc:

Whatabout whatabout whatabout ...

The rioters and looters from the summer were scumbags, the MAGA nuts who raided the Capitol are scumbags. But this thread is only about one of these.

[Alf]

Whatabout whatabout whatabout ...

The rioters and looters from the summer were scumbags, the MAGA nuts who raided the Capitol are scumbags. But this thread is only about one of these.I've just shown a tweet showing that MAGA nuts were not alone in there.

[Mystic Mock]

Update

They caught him last night.

Let's all cheer in celebration


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I've gotta get my gun.:hehe:

Being serious that guy is an even bigger idiot than the other terrorists as he is supporting a cause from a man that he apparently hates.:joker:

What School did he go to?

[Alf]

Apparently, Nancy Pelosi's laptop was stolen.

I wonder who's hands that's in now, if true?

[SherzyK]

Apparently, Nancy Pelosi's laptop was stolen.

I wonder who's hands that's in now, if true?

Update

They caught him last night.

Let's all cheer in celebration


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This Andy Ngô person seems adamant that antifa are behind the riots (literally nearly all his tweets are about that upon looking). What was he doing in there, Alf?

[Beso]

It amuses me that LT and others are pedantic and delusional enough to focus on one small issue and try to use that to justify the heinous and terroristic behaviour that took place at Capitol Hill

Also, why make such a controversial point and flee at the first opportunity


The dead will be martyrs in 30 years time..people will remember those names.

[Alf]

This Andy Ngô person seems adamant that antifa are behind the riots (literally nearly all his tweets are about that upon looking). What was he doing in there, Alf?That's what he does, he follows, films and investigates Antifa, so yes, most of his tweets are about Antifa.

[SherzyK]

That's what he does, he follows, films and investigates Antifa, so yes, most of his tweets are about Antifa.

Thanks for telling me what I already knew. Anyway back to my question, what was he doing in there and have there been anymore BLM supporters during the attack on Capitol Hill?

[GiRTh]

Update

They caught him last night.

Let's all cheer in celebration


1347362830102749186Seriously? Andy Ngo?

[Alf]

:conf:Thanks for telling me what I already knew. Anyway back to my question, what was he doing in there and have there been anymore BLM supporters during the attack on Capitol Hill?We won't learn the truth for a while yet, but it always comes out in the end, usually in drips.

ITV were in the building too, their reporter and cameraman in amongst it.

Was it staged? We'll find out eventually.

Could Trump himself have staged it? Who knows? Possibly.

[Alf]

Seriously? Andy Ngo?He brings better coverage than Anderson Cooper, sat at his desk.

[GiRTh]

He brings better coverage than Anderson Cooper, sat at his desk.HE's the guy who was constantly filming in Portland. No, cant take him seriously. :nono:

[SherzyK]

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

How a Right-Wing Troll Managed to Manipulate the Mainstream Media

Nowhere was this demonstrated more quickly than in the case of the meteoric rise and equally rapid fall of Andy Ngo, the provocateur and social media personality who garnered nationwide sympathy last June, when he tweeted that he was attacked by antifascist protesters at a Proud Boys rally. Last week, the local newspaper the Portland Mercury reported that a left-wing activist going undercover as a member of Patriot Prayer, a far-right group known for promoting and engaging in violent clashes with leftist activists, had given the publication an 18-minute video that included footage of Ngo with a group of Patriot Prayer members as the members discuss an upcoming brawl, including weaponry to be used in altercations with antifa. Ngo, who describes himself as a journalist, did not record the conversation, and does not appear to have his camera or notebook out. For part of the footage, he is seen on his phone.

Nonetheless, the footage was highly embarrassing for Ngo, who has long claimed to be an independent and objective journalist, despite many left-wing activists in Portland accusing him of antagonizing them at rallies and selectively editing his footage to malign the left.

[SherzyK]

:conf:We won't learn the truth for a while yet, but it always comes out in the end, usually in drips.

Indeed we shall

[Alf]

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/

How a Right-Wing Troll Managed to Manipulate the Mainstream Media

Nowhere was this demonstrated more quickly than in the case of the meteoric rise and equally rapid fall of Andy Ngo, the provocateur and social media personality who garnered nationwide sympathy last June, when he tweeted that he was attacked by antifascist protesters at a Proud Boys rally. Last week, the local newspaper the Portland Mercury reported that a left-wing activist going undercover as a member of Patriot Prayer, a far-right group known for promoting and engaging in violent clashes with leftist activists, had given the publication an 18-minute video that included footage of Ngo with a group of Patriot Prayer members as the members discuss an upcoming brawl, including weaponry to be used in altercations with antifa. Ngo, who describes himself as a journalist, did not record the conversation, and does not appear to have his camera or notebook out. For part of the footage, he is seen on his phone.

Nonetheless, the footage was highly embarrassing for Ngo, who has long claimed to be an independent and objective journalist, despite many left-wing activists in Portland accusing him of antagonizing them at rallies and selectively editing his footage to malign the left.You do understand that your opponents will do hit pieces on you?

The business they're all in is a dirty world.

[SherzyK]

You do understand that your opponents will do hit pieces on you?

The business they're all in is a dirty world.

I don’t have any opponents...?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BiodegradableWholeCopepod-small.gif

[Alf]

I don’t have any opponents...?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BiodegradableWholeCopepod-small.gifI wasn't referring to you.

You posted some hit piece on Andy Ngo, but it's meaningless, because they all do hit pieces on each other, mainly to make a few dollars for an article and justify their job to themselves.

[GiRTh]

Looking into it, it does look like the guy in question was arrested at a BLM protest last year, but its Andy Ngo. May as well post something from Tommy Robinson.

[SherzyK]

I wasn't referring to you.

You posted some hit piece on Andy Ngo, but it's meaningless, because they all do hit pieces on each other, mainly to make a few dollars for an article and justify their job to themselves.

If you’re not going to read the article then that’s entirely down to you, but I searched his name on google and there are different articles all saying that he provokes and antagonises the extreme left. Are you going to call them hit pieces too? He’s also been said to fabricate different stories to align with his far right beliefs so why should I even begin to believe his tweet. I’ve already said that we’ll see what transpires once there’s a news report on it. But for, Andy Ngô can go

[Alf]

If you’re not going to read the article then that’s entirely down to you, but I searched his name on google and there are different articles all saying that he provokes and antagonises the extreme left. Are you going to call them hit pieces too? He’s also been said to fabricate different stories to align with his far right beliefs so why should I even begin to believe his tweet. I’ve already said that we’ll see what transpires once there’s a news report on it. But for, Andy Ngô can goI know what it'll say.

Basically

Andy is a tw@t, a racist, Nazi, homophobe, xenophobe, transphobe, sexist. He been bad.

Am I right?

[user104658]

Am I right?

Far right.

[SherzyK]

Far right.

:laugh:

[Ramsay]

Far right.

:joker:

[SherzyK]

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[Scarlett.]

Far right.

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Smilin-Biden.jpg

[Denver]

Twitter has said they have banned Trump because they have saw conversations on and off twitter about a second attack on the 17th

[reece(:]

Far right.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Alf]

Twitter has said they have banned Trump because they have saw conversations on and off twitter about a second attack on the 17thThey've banned more than Trump. General Flynn, Sidney Powell have gone too. Many other Trump supporters have gone.

[SherzyK]

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*pretends to be shocked*

[Alf]

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*pretends to be shocked*Wow! Looking like a set up from that. But set up by whom? The plot thickens.

Good investigating work Sherzy!

[Alf]

Here's another one.


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[Tom4784]

The amount of hoops people will jump through to make out these racist terrorists aren't terrorists are just....

Do they ever get bored of their delusion? It's tiresome to listen to, I can't imagine how much energy it must take to just switch off any kind of rational thought and stay that way.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErSDFgEXAAAhjsT?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErSARS0XMAIJ39X?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

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[Ammi]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErSDFgEXAAAhjsT?format=jpg&name=small

...this would be a great ‘TiBB member as...’ thread...also really good to plan the strategy moves if ML2021 is stolen from TS...

[Nicky91]

...this would be a great ‘TiBB member as...’ thread...also really good to plan the strategy moves if ML2021 is stolen from TS...

nice post Ammi :)


but about that from Lego, kinda disrespectful of them towards the people who had died :(

[Ammi]

nice post Ammi :)


but about that from Lego, kinda disrespectful of them towards the people who had died :(

...I don’t think that Lego are producing a ‘capitol invasion’ set for 6yr olds, Nicky...it’s some kind of meme, someone has made...

[SherzyK]

Wow! Looking like a set up from that. But set up by whom? The plot thickens.

Good investigating work Sherzy!

You’re welcome :love:

[armand.kay]

crying at the right desperately trying to pin this on somebody other than the maga hicks.. luv you can’t blame everything on antifa

[Oliver_W]

And let's hope they catch the ones in the Capitol building.


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Looking into it, it does look like the guy in question was arrested at a BLM protest last year,

Idiotic thugs can be stupid and violent more than once? Whoda thunk!

[Ammi]

Michelle Obama tears into pro-Trump rioters for carrying out 'the wishes of an infantile and unpatriotic president' who 'can't handle the truth of his own failures'...


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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/michelle-obama-tears-pro-trump-212020310.html

[Nicky91]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-called-senator-electoral-college-capitol-riot

President Trump called a Republican senator urging him to object to additional Electoral College state tallies as the mob he incited stormed the Capitol.

Trump, who had, only a short time earlier, encouraged his supporters to march to Congress to demand they stop the Electoral College certification, called Utah Sen. Mike Lee shortly after 2:00 p.m. on Wednesday, but he was looking for Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville, according to CNN. A spokesperson for the Utah senator confirmed the call.

With the president on the line, Lee tracked down Tuberville and gave him the phone. Tuberville and Trump spoke for less than 10 minutes, and the president urged him to object to more states than the Republicans had intended. For an objection to be heard, which forces a two-hour debate followed by a vote, it must be in writing and has to be signed by a member of both chambers of Congress — they agreed to object on three states, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.

The certification was halted for hours after Trump supporters stormed the Capitol in an attempt to stop the session at the president's direction. The chaos led to five deaths, countless injuries, destruction of federal property, dozens of arrests, and a lockdown of the Capitol, but it did not stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College for Joe Biden for more than a couple hours.

Hours after the insurgence began but before Congress had restarted the session, the president's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, also called Lee thinking it was Tuberville.

"Sen. Tuberville? Or I should say Coach Tuberville. This is Rudy Giuliani, the president's lawyer," he said, according to a transcript of the voicemail he left for Lee, which was published by the news blog Emptywheel. "I'm calling you because I want to discuss with you how they're trying to rush this hearing and how we need you, our Republican friends, to try to just slow it down so we can get these legislatures to get more information to you."

"I know they're reconvening at 8 tonight, but it ... the only strategy we can follow is to object to numerous states and raise issues so that we get ourselves into tomorrow — ideally until the end of tomorrow."

Congress ultimately certified the Electoral College after only two states' results led to objections that were heard, and they were for Arizona and Pennsylvania. Both states' Electoral College votes ended up counting as the Republican objectors were severely outnumbered.


:skull:

[Ammi]

Trump goes ‘ballistic’ over Twitter ban as it emerges president wanted to march to Capitol with supporters...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/trump-goes-ballistic-over-twitter-225719325.html

[Niamh.]

Trump goes ‘ballistic’ over Twitter ban as it emerges president wanted to march to Capitol with supporters...



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/trump-goes-ballistic-over-twitter-225719325.htmlWhy is he still the President? He should be in prison

[arista]

Why is he still the President? He should be in prison


No
it changes over on the 20th
Happy Wednesday.

If they want to impeach Trump fast
it will deflect on Bidens transfer day.
He needs to take over the USA without a side show.

[GiRTh]

Trump goes ‘ballistic’ over Twitter ban as it emerges president wanted to march to Capitol with supporters...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/trump-goes-ballistic-over-twitter-225719325.htmlTrump marching arm in arm with the Magas. No, dont see it. I bet in a private moment when no one is around; I bet if you were to ask him what he actually thinks of his own supporters? The word losers, dummies and idiots would ne his resone.

I kind of feel sorry for them if they weren't such a reprehensible bunch. He's playing them and will continue to play them when out of office.

[Ammi]

Why is he still the President? He should be in prison

Trump marching arm in arm with the Magas. No, dont see it. I bet in a private moment when no one is around; I bet if you were to ask him what he actually thinks of his own supporters? The word losers, dummies and idiots would ne his resone.

I kind of feel sorry for them if they weren't such a reprehensible bunch. He's playing them and will continue to play them when out of office.

...so saying that the attack shamed America and that he didn’t condone it was another of his lies, then...the man is incapable of truth ...

[thesheriff443]

If trump was removed or goes to prison there will be a war in America

[The Slim Reaper]

If trump was removed or goes to prison there will be a war in America

Don't be ridiculous.

[thesheriff443]

Don't be ridiculous.

I’m actually not we have seen time and time again what happens in America when people don’t agree with what’s gone on they take to the streets and America will burn

Trump has millions of followers

[Alf]

I’m actually not we have seen time and time again what happens in America when people don’t agree with what’s gone on they take to the streets and America will burn

Trump has millions of followersAbout 80 million to be precise. I believe that's more than the population of the UK.

[GiRTh]

If trump was removed or goes to prison there will be a war in AmericaThe same hysteria that Obama was going to be assassinated within the first six months. Slim's reply is perfect.

[thesheriff443]

The same hysteria that Obama was going to be assassinated within the first six months. Slim's reply is perfect.

We have already seen that with trump supporters it’s not just words

[GiRTh]

We have already seen that with trump supporters it’s not just wordsThen the authorities will have a difficult job to do.

[thesheriff443]

Then the authorities will have a difficult job to do.

They will indeed, there is a big divide in America that’s not going to go away with trump.

[The Slim Reaper]

I’m actually not we have seen time and time again what happens in America when people don’t agree with what’s gone on they take to the streets and America will burn

Trump has millions of followers

It will kick off no doubt, and that will be it.

[Tom4784]

Trump supporters will be crazy regardless, Trump needs to be removed.

[bots]

none of us know how things are going to pan out. My own prediction is that the hate groups will be out in force on 16th-20th trying to disrupt the inauguration and then after that it will all settle down again.

[bots]

Also facing federal charges is Cleveland Gover Meredith Jr., a Georgia man who in the wake of the election had protested outside the home of Republican Gov. Brian Kemp, whom Trump had publicly blamed for his loss in the state. Meredith drove to Washington last week for the “Save America” rally but arrived late because of a problem with the lights on his trailer, according to court filings that include expletive-laden texts.

“Headed to DC with a (s—-) ton of 5.56 armor-piercing ammo,” he texted friends and relatives on Jan. 6, adding a purple devil emoji, according to court filings. The following day, he texted to the group: “Thinking about heading over to Pelosi (C——’s) speech and putting a bullet in her noggin on Live TV.” He once again added a purple devil emoji, and wrote he might hit her with his truck instead. “I’m gonna run that (C—-) Pelosi over while she chews on her gums. … Dead (B——) Walking. I predict that within 12 days, many in our country will die.”

Meredith, who is white, then texted a photo of himself in blackface. “I’m gonna walk around DC FKG with people by yelling ‘Allahu ak Bar’ randomly.”

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-elections-1806ea8dc15a2c04f2a68acd6b55cace

[UserSince2005]

Can we get a straight jacket for Nancy? What a batty old woman.

[Niamh.]

I’m actually not we have seen time and time again what happens in America when people don’t agree with what’s gone on they take to the streets and America will burn

Trump has millions of followers

Just because he has millions of people who voted for him doesn't mean that there are millions of people willing to risk their lives/careers/imprisonment to go protest for him

[user104658]

Just because he has millions of people who voted for him doesn't mean that there are millions of people willing to risk their lives/careers/imprisonment to go protest for him

Indeed; the majority will be habitual Red Voters who have and will always vote Republican, rather than Trump stans. There ARE millions of Trump stans but what percentage of those are willing to put themselves on the line at all? And then, of those, what percentage have the staying power to not run home when it gets real? Personal survival instinct is strong.

Don't get me wrong I think there will be very real clashes, I imagine the number is still in the tens-of-thousands, but the streets will not be lined by millions.

There's a reason the "same faces" crop up in the pictures of various clashes at various times... the same groups of activists have a heavy presence and create the illusion that there are "people everywhere" when in reality the same people are travelling around a lot.

[AnnieK]

At the moment the activists have the POTUS on their side. Come the inauguration, that changes and there is no chance of pardons and so although I'm sure there will be some violence and clashes, it won't be of any magnitude for long imo

[Niamh.]

Indeed; the majority will be habitual Red Voters who have and will always vote Republican, rather than Trump stans. There ARE millions of Trump stans but what percentage of those are willing to put themselves on the line at all? And then, of those, what percentage have the staying power to not run home when it gets real? Personal survival instinct is strong.

Don't get me wrong I think there will be very real clashes, I imagine the number is still in the tens-of-thousands, but the streets will not be lined by millions.

There's a reason the "same faces" crop up in the pictures of various clashes at various times... the same groups of activists have a heavy presence and create the illusion that there are "people everywhere" when in reality the same people are travelling around a lot.

Yeah, clearly there was the white supremacist Nazi group for example

[bots]

Just because he has millions of people who voted for him doesn't mean that there are millions of people willing to risk their lives/careers/imprisonment to go protest for him

i also think that many thought they could get away with anything because they were doing the will of the president and that's why they were so brazen. Now, they understand that a lot of people are going to be locked up for a considerable period of time. Also, it's one thing to think the dems are corrupt but when every world leader around the globe condemns their action, it has to give them a reality check on what they have been supporting.

[Niamh.]

i also think that many thought they could get away with anything because they were doing the will of the president and that's why they were so brazen. Now, they understand that a lot of people are going to be locked up for a considerable period of time. Also, it's one thing to think the dems are corrupt but when every world leader around the globe condemns their action, it has to give them a reality check on what they have been supporting.

Yep and as silly as it sounds Trump being banned from Twitter will probably have scared them a bit too

[Oliver_W]

Is it clear what they were hoping to actually achieve by this? Did they picture themselves lynching Pelosi and Pence before turning them into Strange Fruit? Did they "just" want to spread havoc? Did they actually think their actions would lead to a second Trump term?

[bots]

Is it clear what they were hoping to actually achieve by this? Did they picture themselves lynching Pelosi and Pence before turning them into Strange Fruit? Did they "just" want to spread havoc? Did they actually think their actions would lead to a second Trump term?

yes, they wanted to stop the election being certified. That would be all that were at the demo. Then you have the far right groups that were intent on kidnap and murder. The 2 pipe bombs found at the gop and dem headquarters were intended to be used as a distraction to pull the police away from the capitol while they attacked congress. This could have all been absolutely disastrous

[Novo]

Yep and as silly as it sounds Trump being banned from Twitter will probably have scared them a bit too

the opposite really i'd say it would make them more steadfast in their views and more likely to believe that their is something bigger at play, big tech censoring is a very dangerous game

[Niamh.]

the opposite really i'd say it would make them more steadfast in their views and more likely to believe that their is something bigger at play, big tech censoring is a very dangerous game

hhhmmmm I don't know, it would make the most extreme of them more riled up but not the more "normal" of his supporters. Also, it cuts off his main way of communicating with them, out of sight out of mind and all that

[user104658]

Is it clear what they were hoping to actually achieve by this? Did they picture themselves lynching Pelosi and Pence before turning them into Strange Fruit? Did they "just" want to spread havoc? Did they actually think their actions would lead to a second Trump term?

From many of those who were street-interviewed in DC, it sounds like they genuinely believed themselves to be revolutionaries... that they were overthrowing the election and the whole system of government, for Trump to stay in and completely reform the "fraudulent" electoral process. They believed that was what was going to happen. They believed that the "vast majority" of the public/police/military were on their side and that the democrat win was a MASSIVE fraud brought about by a small number of villains, against "the will of the people". To the extent that they weren't just disappointed or down heartened when it didn't easily go their way - they were in disbelief. Totally shocked that they didn't end the day with their flag firmly planted on the roof and the "fraudsters" facing justice.

I saw a few clips of a woman in wide-eyed disbelief that the police were clashing with them... not angry - properly confused, like "what is happening they are attacking the wrong people???"

[Novo]

hhhmmmm I don't know, it would make the most extreme of them more riled up but not the more "normal" of his supporters. Also, it cuts off his main way of communicating with them, out of sight out of mind and all that

if trump does get his own platform out of this (and if he does you'd think it will become massive) is it really worth censoring/banning him for? its a bad move imo and one that people will remember for years especially if the process keeps being repeated on similar accounts

[user104658]

the opposite really i'd say it would make them more steadfast in their views and more likely to believe that their is something bigger at play, big tech censoring is a very dangerous game

I agree that there will be unintended (and not good) consequences, I think the pandora's box is open now and all sorts of people are going to find themselves ... unhappy ... with something they're currently cheering. And it won't be partisan; I can see the potential for anger across the spectrum. People will be cheering one day because the "TERF they hate" got kicked off a platform, and then fuming the next because THEY got kicked off for supporting some other form of rights activism... and vice versa.

That said, I don't know what the answer was with Trump and Twitter, because he was continuing to (quite blatantly, no matter what people claim) use it as a rallying flag for direct action in his supporters.

[Niamh.]

if trump does get his own platform out of this (and if he does you'd think it will become massive) is it really worth censoring/banning him for? its a bad move imo and one that people will remember for years especially if the process keeps being repeated on similar accounts

I'm definitely not one for silencing people generally speaking even those I don't agree with but I think he did cross the line into incitement of violence especially as the POTUS in this instance, both by literally telling his supporters to march on Capitol Hill (where people actually died) and by claiming that a fair democratic election result was fraudulent. It's always been the case where that line is there and not classed as free speech

[bots]

they had to stop trumps further incitement, We all know it was just going to get worse and worse

Personally, i think it's time for states to prosecute Trump. He incited violence within a state so he has no federal protection from that

[Oliver_W]

People will be cheering one day because the "TERF they hate" got kicked off a platform, and then fuming the next because THEY got kicked off for supporting some other form of rights activism... and vice versa.

Like Posie Parker. She's never said anything particularly objectionable or inciting , and she's banned from practically everywhere online...

[Tom4784]

It's not an issue of freedom of speech at all. Imagine that Twitter is a stage and it belongs to someone else, you can use it within reason but you're beholden to their rules and you simply aren't entitled to that stage just 'cus. It's not an infraction of freedom of speech for a platform to be taken away from you if you break the rules you agreed to follow. Donald Trump is not being silenced, he literally has a press room in the place he lives in :laugh:

[user104658]

It's not an issue of freedom of speech at all. Imagine that Twitter is a stage and it belongs to someone else, you can use it within reason but you're beholden to their rules and you simply aren't entitled to that stage just 'cus. It's not an infraction of freedom of speech for a platform to be taken away from you if you break the rules you agreed to follow. Donald Trump is not being silenced, he literally has a press room in the place he lives in :laugh:

I agree in principle but I think that accepting this means accepting that anyone - even people you passionately agree with - can (and most likely now will) be removed from the platform if their opinions are deemed to be "not moderate enough". That will include BLM, LGBTQ and Feminist activists of all types. I fully agree that trolls of all descriptions should be banned (Hopkins, Lozzy Fox) and people who actively incite anything (Tommy Robbo, CLEARLY Trump) should be restricted but if we make it a blanket "company's choice, not a free speech issue" then all sorts of people will be banned for the content of their opinion, and not just their means of expressing it.

[Niamh.]

I agree in principle but I think that accepting this means accepting that anyone - even people you passionately agree with - can (and most likely now will) be removed from the platform if their opinions are deemed to be "not moderate enough". That will include BLM, LGBTQ and Feminist activists of all types. I fully agree that trolls of all descriptions should be banned (Hopkins, Lozzy Fox) and people who actively incite anything (Tommy Robbo, CLEARLY Trump) should be restricted but if we make it a blanket "company's choice, not a free speech issue" then all sorts of people will be banned for the content of their opinion, and not just their means of expressing it.

Well yeah, the last thing we want is for social media to become one massive echo chamber, differing opinions and debate is healthy, if we're not allowed to hash things out anymore for fear of offending or veering away from the "correct" opinions then we're headed for 1984 territory but there is and has always been a line which Trumps incitement of violence certainly falls under and I also think, as POTUS making totally unsubstantiated claims about the election (purely because of his position as the Leader of that country) also massively crosses that line

[Kizzy]

That's not true at all... since when did your average LGBTQ+ group use the platform to incite a violent uprising?

[bots]

I agree in principle but I think that accepting this means accepting that anyone - even people you passionately agree with - can (and most likely now will) be removed from the platform if their opinions are deemed to be "not moderate enough". That will include BLM, LGBTQ and Feminist activists of all types. I fully agree that trolls of all descriptions should be banned (Hopkins, Lozzy Fox) and people who actively incite anything (Tommy Robbo, CLEARLY Trump) should be restricted but if we make it a blanket "company's choice, not a free speech issue" then all sorts of people will be banned for the content of their opinion, and not just their means of expressing it.

this is why i think the action taken by these companies against trump and others is going to change the landscape permanently. They have to show that they are applying rules equally and fairly or they will be taken down

[user104658]

That's not true at all... since when did your average LGBTQ+ group use the platform to incite a violent uprising?

I think we'll find out very soon that that is "down to interpretation", and ALL of us will have examples of "interpretations" that we don't like.

[Kizzy]

I think we'll find out very soon that that is "down to interpretation", and ALL of us will have examples of "interpretations" that we don't like.

I don't agree, here for instance we have hate laws, they are clear. If a tweet violates that law then that is also clear.

Anything else is opinion.

[user104658]

I don't agree, here for instance we have hate laws, they are clear. If a tweet violates that law then that is also clear.

Anything else is opinion.

A social media platform doesn't have time to consult a lawyer, judge or legal process to determine that though and will have to make snap judgements. To use an old-as-time example of the debate in action;

Is JK Rowling questioning trans self-ID hate speech? (Some would argue yes)

Are trans-activists threats in response e.g. "Die TERF hag!" justified? (Some would argue yes)


In this scenario, could a Twitter employee decide that EITHER or BOTH of these count as hate speech and ban everyone involved? Very possibly - and it would leave people on both sides of the argument fuming.

[Kizzy]

A social media platform doesn't have time to consult a lawyer, judge or legal process to determine that though and will have to make snap judgements. To use an old-as-time example of the debate in action;

Is JK Rowling questioning trans self-ID hate speech? (Some would argue yes)

Are trans-activists threats in response e.g. "Die TERF hag!" justified? (Some would argue yes)


In this scenario, could a Twitter employee decide that EITHER or BOTH of these count as hate speech and ban everyone involved? Very possibly - and it would leave people on both sides of the argument fuming.
No....

If that said 'kill all terf hags' then maybe. Otherwise questions, opinions and childish outbursts are not a hate crime.

[UserSince2005]

The revolution is coming girls.

[Tom4784]

I agree in principle but I think that accepting this means accepting that anyone - even people you passionately agree with - can (and most likely now will) be removed from the platform if their opinions are deemed to be "not moderate enough". That will include BLM, LGBTQ and Feminist activists of all types. I fully agree that trolls of all descriptions should be banned (Hopkins, Lozzy Fox) and people who actively incite anything (Tommy Robbo, CLEARLY Trump) should be restricted but if we make it a blanket "company's choice, not a free speech issue" then all sorts of people will be banned for the content of their opinion, and not just their means of expressing it.

It doesn't really bother me, tbh. As I said, social media is just someone else's platform, their stage, their house. If they don't want you in that house then it's their choice.

I could be banned from every social media platform in the world, that doesn't mean my opinion has been silenced. If people want a platform that isn't beholden to someone else's rules, they need to go out and create their own.

It doesn't matter if I agree with someone or not, if they get banned, they get banned. My opinion wouldn't really change. I also don't think this is a slippery slope either, if you incite violence, you're probably gonna get banned. Nobody on Twitter got banned just for being right wing.

[user104658]

No....

If that said 'kill all terf hags' then maybe. Otherwise questions, opinions and childish outbursts are not a hate crime.

Nor is questioning self-ID but the point is, there are people who would label BOTH of those things hate speech, and you're relying on a team of moderators (not lawyers or legal experts) to get that right every time.

[user104658]

It doesn't really bother me, tbh. As I said, social media is just someone else's platform, their stage, their house. If they don't want you in that house then it's their choice.

I could be banned from every social media platform in the world, that doesn't mean my opinion has been silenced. If people want a platform that isn't beholden to someone else's rules, they need to go out and create their own.

It doesn't matter if I agree with someone or not, if they get banned, they get banned. My opinion wouldn't really change. I also don't think this is a slippery slope either, if you incite violence, you're probably gonna get banned. Nobody on Twitter got banned just for being right wing.

I don't think Trump's twitter ban is a slippery slope, it was inevitable and he should have been banned years ago and the only reason he WASN'T was because of being POTUS.

What I think has potential to be a slippery slope is things like webhosts stepping into to block/ban platforms on a whim. Don't get me wrong - Parler is a cess pit and webhosts are obviously free to have terms of service, but I think unless those terms of service already exist and can be pointed to as a reason for removal, there has to be a less arbitrary system in place. e.g. they could change their terms of service to forbid sites that allow certain types of content such as incitement. Some will already have that, but not all. But if a ToS is changed they need to give time to "clean up" before restricting.

[GiRTh]

Corporate America halts donations to Republicans who voted to overturn the election (https://www.cnn.ph/business/2021/1/11/US-businesses-halt-Republican-donations-Capitol-riots.html)

Totally agree with this. A member of congress cannot question an election with no proof without consequences.

They had two months to come up with something. They had nothing but still registered their objections. There needs to be consequences.

[Niamh.]

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[Ammi]

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[SherzyK]

The BlueLivesMatter group is real quiet huh...

[Crimson Dynamo]

The BlueLivesMatter group is real quiet huh...

I guess just like BLm

I wonder what happened to them???

[SherzyK]

I guess just like BLm

I wonder what happened to them???

Why? What happened to them?