View Full Version : Armed Trump supporters attack Capital Hill (live stream)
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:11 PM
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Trump has asked them to do this
Kate!
06-01-2021, 07:12 PM
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Trump has asked them to do this
Stupid stupid man. And more fool them all for doing it. I'm incredulous at the idiocy.
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:13 PM
Stupid stupid man. And more fool them all for doing it. I'm incredulous at the idiocy.
They have broken security boundaries which has led to a lockdown with people being locked inside and unable to leave
Kate!
06-01-2021, 07:19 PM
Trump is so stupid he's actually very dangerous. He's inciting terrorist activity. Lock him up.
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:20 PM
There is no police presence at all, and they are illegally on property civilians are banned from
SherzyK
06-01-2021, 07:26 PM
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Y’all they got passed security. Literally psychopaths
Jake.
06-01-2021, 07:27 PM
Where’s the tear gas / brutality this time? :think:
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:29 PM
Biden is going to go straight after Trump with every single charge possible and he is never getting out of prison
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 07:29 PM
Stoke crazies for years, win prizes.
Kate!
06-01-2021, 07:29 PM
Biden is going to go straight after Trump with every single charge possible and he is never getting out of prison
Amen.
this has developed into a very dangerous situation
Kate!
06-01-2021, 07:31 PM
this has developed into a very dangerous situation
Yes. Provoked and incited by the orange moron.
Jack_
06-01-2021, 07:32 PM
Donald Trump did this, abetted and aided by his ass sniffing loyalists in the Republican Party
It’s difficult to put into words how irresponsible and dangerous this whole thing is
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:35 PM
A 6pm curfew has been announced
Crimson Dynamo
06-01-2021, 07:36 PM
where is the attack aspect?
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:36 PM
It looks like we are heading for President Nancy Pelosi
reece(:
06-01-2021, 07:37 PM
Trump is reckless inciting this violence with his fraudulent rigging claims. Hope he's trialled for his behaviour and locked up for brainwashing these people.
And once again, a total disregard to the pandemic.
SherzyK
06-01-2021, 07:37 PM
Where’s the tear gas / brutality this time? :think:
Not the police exhausting all their resources against peaceful BLM protestors but not even a slap on the wrist for this lot :umm2:
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 07:37 PM
It looks like we are heading for President Nancy Pelosi
Nah, Biden will be sworn in on inauguration day as planned
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 07:38 PM
where is the attack aspect?They've breached security, if that s what you're asking?
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:38 PM
Nah, Biden will be sworn in on inauguration day as planned
He can't be sworn in until this validation process is over with
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:42 PM
Let's make it clear this is a terrorist attack and their leader is Donald Trump
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:45 PM
The people in the building include Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi and Pence all who they se as traitor and who they will try to get to them
I can see Trump being locked up before the 20th at this rate.
My thoughts yesterday were that there would be a coup or he would leave the country, and this is a coup
reece(:
06-01-2021, 07:47 PM
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SherzyK
06-01-2021, 07:48 PM
This is literally bordering on scary.
Kate!
06-01-2021, 07:48 PM
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omg this is REALLY bad.
Jack_
06-01-2021, 07:51 PM
This is one of the most secure buildings on earth, and they were warned about this
Just how?
Denver
06-01-2021, 07:51 PM
This is one of the most secure buildings on earth, and they were warned about this
Just how?
Trump has had this organised for weeks and they didn't prepare
there is tear gas and an armed standoff inside the building .... no-one can condone this violence, it is a violent coup
Kate!
06-01-2021, 07:58 PM
This is an attempted Coup by Trump which is an act of terrorism and treason
And should be treated as such.
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 07:59 PM
So many advanced warnings. Remember the plot to kidnap the Michigan Governor because of lockdown. It's always been heading one way.
This are the same people that Trump begged to march with him earlier to the buildings but he then got in his car and ran awayI know that there were rumours yesterday that Antifa were gonna turn up dressed in MAGA attire. Doesn't mean it's true, doesn't mean it's false either.
When anything major like this happens my first thought is, false flag, smoke screen.
Let's wait and see.
So many advanced warnings. Remember the plot to kidnap the Michigan Governor because of lockdown. It's always been heading one way.
its been on the cards for weeks. For the police to be so sparse must have been intentional
DouglasS
06-01-2021, 08:01 PM
I don’t think this is Trumps fault anyway, he has always had a off the cuff personality. People rally all the time; there were rally’s set up if Trump was to become president again. Neither side is perfect.
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:01 PM
So many advanced warnings. Remember the plot to kidnap the Michigan Governor because of lockdown. It's always been heading one way.Also, numerous death threats received by Anthony Fauci. The warnings were all there and all dismissed as overzealous Trump-ists.
Looks lkie they were a bit more determined than the Trumpist thought.
I don’t think this is Trumps fault anyway, he has always had a off the cuff personality. People rally all the time; there were rally’s set up if Trump was to become president again. Neither side is perfect.
are you being serious? he has been encouraging it since before the election. The presidential debate, the comment to the the proud boys ... standby
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:04 PM
I don’t think this is Trumps fault anyway, he has always had a off the cuff personality. People rally all the time; there were rally’s set up if Trump was to become president again. Neither side is perfect.You're seriously trying to 'both sides' Trump supporters breaching security on a Goverment building with most of Congress in there. OK then whatever you're comfortable with is fine but further explanation maybe needed.
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 08:05 PM
The law and order president.
Kate!
06-01-2021, 08:05 PM
I don’t think this is Trumps fault anyway, he has always had a off the cuff personality. People rally all the time; there were rally’s set up if Trump was to become president again. Neither side is perfect.
are you taking the proverbial? An off the cuff personality? What the heck are you on about....He is no better than a thug and a yob. A dangerous and foolish man.
How can you justify what he's done.
SherzyK
06-01-2021, 08:05 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-jr-eric-trump-election-protest-b1783318.html
Idk how to properly format these links but even his sons are in on it...
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:07 PM
There is an armed stand off with officers having to draw guns
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 08:09 PM
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Denver
06-01-2021, 08:10 PM
The Dwnfwnce Department has rejected a request for the national guard to be deployed
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:11 PM
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A women was removed on a stretcher covered in blood
Kate!
06-01-2021, 08:12 PM
Trumps got blood on his hands.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:16 PM
There isnreports multiple people have been shot and hurt
joeysteele
06-01-2021, 08:19 PM
Stupid stupid man. And more fool them all for doing it. I'm incredulous at the idiocy.
That's all I can feel about it at this time too Kate.
Trumps got blood on his hands.
Trump has tweeted for people to stay peaceful and to respect the police.
Kate!
06-01-2021, 08:22 PM
Trump has tweeted for people to stay peaceful and to respect the police.
Yeah he's probably crapping himself now. Serve him right.
Oliver_W
06-01-2021, 08:24 PM
Trump has tweeted for people to stay peaceful and to respect the police.
Too little too late. They're not standing around looking at their phones. If he really wanted any protests sprung from his loss to be peaceful, he should have made that clear right from the off.
Or, y'know, just encouraged people to accept a loss :shrug:
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:26 PM
Remember all the outrage when protestors were pulling down statues. Seems Government building dont get quite as much respect, eh?
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:26 PM
Even more have now broken into the building
Oliver_W
06-01-2021, 08:28 PM
Is that supposed to be funny? What are you trying to imply?
They're breaking windows of a Government building with half of Congress still in there. I'd say it was much worse.
There were people in the buildings affected by the riots too. The ones with broken windows, looting, and fires.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:28 PM
Trumo has signed his death warrant there is no way anybody is going to pardon him and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a plan in place to stop any of his planes leaving the Country
Scarlett.
06-01-2021, 08:28 PM
I wonder if those who called Antifa terrorists will now call these alt right twats terrorists?
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 08:29 PM
Trumo has signed his death warrant there is no way anybody is going to pardon him and I wouldn't be surprised if there is a plan in place to stop any of his plans leaving the Country
He needs to be impeached and removed within the next few days.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:29 PM
I wonder if those who called Antifa terrorists will now call these alt right twats terrorists?
This apparently freedom of speech despite them doing way worse in a couple of hours then what happened in the months of last summer
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:30 PM
There were people in the buildings affected by the riots too. The ones with broken windows, looting, and fires.Not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that some of the protesters who illegally entered this Government building were affected by other riots. Please explain and state relevance? :conf:
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:31 PM
He needs to be impeached and removed within the next few days.
They could evoke the 25fh amendment immediately
Too little too late. They're not standing around looking at their phones. If he really wanted any protests sprung from his loss to be peaceful, he should have made that clear right from the off.
Or, y'know, just encouraged people to accept a loss :shrug:
That's what he should have done..unless he has a reason not to..(in regards to accepting the loss)..Imo, that reason is the fear of war when (I cant even type his name he disgusts me that much) gets the hot seat.
But the protestors, cause that's all they are. Well all they have done is entered a public accessible door.
But now on the news all I'm seeing is people on their phones outside.. with the doors firmly shut.
Nothing else but disruption!
Not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that some of the protesters who illegally entered this Government building were affected by other riots. Please explain and state relevance? :conf:
I think you will find that's a public entrance, so there is nothing illegal about them walking in through that door.
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:33 PM
They could evoke the 25fh amendment immediatelyTrump would have to agree to that. It wont happen.
It looks like this is it and the craziest presidency ever will have an even crazier sending. There's still more to come from Donnie and his crazy fans. Cant call them supporters, they're fans.
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:33 PM
I think you will find that's a public entrance, so there is nothing illegal about them walking in through that door.Its not illegal to breach security, how so? Can anyone just walk past security then?
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 08:33 PM
The rioters are the same folks that thought Kaepernick taking a knee was a distasteful way to protest.
SherzyK
06-01-2021, 08:34 PM
that's what he should have done..unless he has a reason not to..(in regards to accepting the loss)..imo, that reason is the fear of war when (i cant even type his name he disgusts me that much) gets the hot seat.
But the protestors, cause that's all they are. well all they have done is entered a public accessible door.
but now on the news all i'm seeing is people on their phones outside.. With the doors firmly shut.
Nothing else but disruption!
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Kizzy
06-01-2021, 08:34 PM
Stoke crazies for years, win prizes.
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The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 08:34 PM
Trump would have to agree to that. It wont happen.
It looks like this is it and the craziest presidency ever will have an even crazier sending. There's still more to come from Donnie and his crazy fans. Cant call them supporters, they're fans.
Don't think that's accurate. 25th amendment is removal by his cabinet.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:35 PM
Trump would have to agree to that. It wont happen.
It looks like this is it and the craziest presidency ever will have an even crazier sending. There's still more to come from Donnie and his crazy fans. Cant call them supporters, they're fans.
He actually doesn't, they can have him removed
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:36 PM
The rioters are the same folks that thought Kaepernick taking a knee was a distasteful way to protest.Exactly.:clap1:
Why cant they protest peacefully with out destroying things? Why cant they go thru the proper channels with their protest?
I doubt we'll be hearing too much of that argument in this case.
What is wrong with wanting peace? I made that evident on my first post in here where I criticised a post wanting mass shootings in this rally?
Which kate agreed with.. ut now the crowd has cleared or is clearing by the mere fact a group of cops walked up the stairs of the building.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:36 PM
I think you will find that's a public entrance, so there is nothing illegal about them walking in through that door.
No citizen is even allowed to stand on the first step in it totally of limits to the public
Its not illegal to breach security, how so? Can anyone just walk past security then?
They can walk through a public accessible entrance, but not enter private rooms within the building.
SherzyK
06-01-2021, 08:38 PM
they can walk through a public accessible entrance, but not enter private rooms within the building.
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Denver
06-01-2021, 08:38 PM
Governor of VA has sent his national guard to the capital
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:38 PM
He actually doesn't, they can have him removedYeah but come on, he aint giving up power. They're gonna have to drag him out of the Oval Office.
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I would have probably shot them...but not the peaceful others.:shrug:
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:39 PM
They can walk through a public accessible entrance, but not enter private rooms within the building.Hence guns were drawn on them when they tried to.
I saw a video of them climbing up a large wall, they looked liked Orcs from Lord of the Rings.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:40 PM
Yeah but come on, he aint giving up power. They're gonna have to drag him out of the Oval Office.
Which he becomes a trespasser and they will have the rights to shoot to kill him and I for one second font doubt they would
Hence guns were drawn on them when they tried to.
And rightly so...
Kate!
06-01-2021, 08:41 PM
Yeah but come on, he aint giving up power. They're gonna have to drag him out of the Oval Office.
I'll help. Drag the moron.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:41 PM
So Trump has blocked the DC national guard but he can't block other states and with VA the first to send their I wonder how many will follow
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 08:41 PM
Ivanka has deleted this tweet calling them "patriots."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErE3iTYWMAE0m3f?format=jpg&name=large
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 08:42 PM
Which he becomes a trespasser and they will have the rights to shoot to kill him and I for one second font doubt they would
Probably need to ease off with the bloodlust.
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:43 PM
Which he becomes a trespasser and they will have the rights to shoot to kill him and I for one second font doubt they wouldA little extreme, Adam.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:44 PM
Probably need to ease off with the bloodlust.
It's a true fact though, the kindle he is no longer President he has to leave straight away or he is a trespasser and what happens to him nobody can be prosecuted
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:44 PM
And rightly so...I have to agree, its a Government building.
Kate!
06-01-2021, 08:44 PM
A little extreme, Adam.
Not really. Trump knows the consequences if he refuses to leave.
AnnieK
06-01-2021, 08:45 PM
Its actually a pretty scary situation....and Trump has lit the touch paper, stoked the flames and then legged it.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:45 PM
A little extreme, Adam.
This is a serious terror threat from the president he is either leaving in a body bag or a police van there is no chance they are letting him go skipping down the road
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:45 PM
Not really. Trump knows the consequences if he refuses to leave.I'm sure its been explained to him but I doubt he understood.
Kate!
06-01-2021, 08:45 PM
Its actually a pretty scary situation....and Trump has lit the touch paper, stoked the flames and then legged it.
Like the coward he is. Good summation Annie.
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 08:46 PM
It's a true fact though, the kindle he is no longer President he has to leave straight away or he is a trespasser and what happens to him nobody can be prosecuted
They wouldn't shoot him; it's not like a group of special forces trained, secret service couldn't detain him by hand.
Kizzy
06-01-2021, 08:47 PM
Is trump saying the police are bent?...
DouglasS
06-01-2021, 08:47 PM
Which he becomes a trespasser and they will have the rights to shoot to kill him and I for one second font doubt they would
Blood thirsty again..
You do realise you can disageee with opposing politics without wishing lots dead? (Mainly in aspect to your post on page 1 but there are undertones also here)
People could argue you are one of the extreme Biden supporters as you criticise the extreme trump supporters, the same kind of trump supporters you and others criticise for wishing illwill on others? Are you not the same but just support a different leader?
Kate!
06-01-2021, 08:48 PM
I don't want Trump shot though that's too easy a way out for him. I want him in prison.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:48 PM
Blood thirsty again..
You do realise you can disageee with opposing politics without wishing lots dead?
You literally defended a Hitler sympathiser and other terrorists acts
Ramsay
06-01-2021, 08:49 PM
Trump getting shot and dying would be the worst possible outcome as he'd become a martyr and his crazy fanbase would get even more crazy if thats even possible.
Prison is best bet but doubt that's even going to happen
"Agent Provocateur"
That's the term I was looking for.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:53 PM
Police officers have been injured with one sent to hospital
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:53 PM
Pence has also unfollowed Trump on Twitter
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 08:54 PM
Trump is the richest president of all time, he will be living up his retirement having a great timeRichest if you believe him but over 20,000 lies in office makes me not believe him. He's over $430 million dollars in debt that has to be paid with the next three years, he'll be facing multiple legal cases when he's out of office so I doubt he has enough money to pay for all that and be living it up like you hope. He's got barely enough to keep his ass out of jail.
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:54 PM
The whole DC gaurd has been activated
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:56 PM
Nancy Pelosi office was broken into with a threatening letter telling her they will not back down left for her
Kate!
06-01-2021, 08:56 PM
Nancy Pelosi office was broken into with a threatening letter telling her they will not back down left for her
Disgusting
Denver
06-01-2021, 08:56 PM
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user104658
06-01-2021, 08:58 PM
You just want his followers shot.
I find the rhetoric on this thread fascinating; "civilians", "followers".
These are literal and clear examples of a domestic terrorist insurgents. There is no other valid description for what is happening here. They should have been stopped - with lethal force if necessary - before they even got through the door.
Does that mean "I want them shot"? No, I don't "want" anyone to be shot but the fact that this has been tolerated in the slightest is a massive, massive problem.
The message needs to be clear;
You storm a government building with weapons, you voluntarily put your life at extreme risk. This is absolute lunacy. I honestly think these people have been lead to believe that they are "safe", that it is some sort of "game", that they as "white American citizens" won't be harmed even if they carry out an armed attack on a government building. The message that they are VERY WRONG needs to be clear or it'll keep happening.
I find the rhetoric on this thread fascinating; "civilians", "followers".
These are literal and clear examples of a domestic terrorist insurgents. There is no other valid description for what is happening here. They should have been stopped - with lethal force if necessary - before they even got through the door.
Does that mean "I want them shot"? No, I don't "want" anyone to be shot but the fact that this has been tolerated in the slightest is a massive, massive problem.
The message needs to be clear;
You storm a government building with weapons, you voluntarily put your life at extreme risk. This is absolute lunacy. I honestly think these people have been lead to believe that they are "safe", that it is some sort of "game", that they as "white American citizens" won't be harmed even if they carry out an armed attack on a government building. The message that they are VERY WRONG needs to be clear or it'll keep happening.
All news sources are calling them protestors.
Nancy Pelosi office was broken into with a threatening letter telling her they will not back down left for herI hope they drunk all her gin.
Kate!
06-01-2021, 09:02 PM
if the woman who was covered in blood on the stretcher after being shot in the chest dies its murder. And Trump is to blame.
Denver
06-01-2021, 09:03 PM
Maryland has joined Va in sending the national gaurd to DC
Kate!
06-01-2021, 09:05 PM
Joe Biden is going to speak soon
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 09:06 PM
Joe Biden is going to speak soon:dance::dance::dance:
Denver
06-01-2021, 09:06 PM
President Biden is speaking
Ramsay
06-01-2021, 09:07 PM
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Horrific
Denver
06-01-2021, 09:08 PM
Biden has condemned Trump
user104658
06-01-2021, 09:08 PM
All news sources are calling them protestors.
Because they're white americans. They are ARMED protestors trespassing in a government building by force, threatening violence and refusing to leave.
They are insurgents, by definition. If they are not insurgents, then insurgency does not exist, and all terrorists are "just protestors".
Jack_
06-01-2021, 09:09 PM
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520?s=21
Qwhite surprising
Ramsay
06-01-2021, 09:10 PM
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520?s=21
Qwhite surprising
****ing hell
SherzyK
06-01-2021, 09:11 PM
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520?s=21
Qwhite surprising
:umm2:
Maryland has joined Va in sending the national gaurd to DCTrumps call
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Denver
06-01-2021, 09:13 PM
Trumps call
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It wsnt his call, he refused the DC national gaurd and she is his ally and another one to blame for this
user104658
06-01-2021, 09:17 PM
They don’t seem violent at all... Terrorists definitely seems extreme, protestors is a better word
Are you genuinely saying that it should now be considered acceptable to stage an armed protest in a government building so long as you don't actually shoot at anyone? Just sheer madness.
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 09:18 PM
They don’t seem violent at all... Terrorists definitely seems extreme, protestors is a better word:laugh:
So why are they armed? I dont know about you, but I wouldn't carry a weapon if I had no intention of using it but keep with the excuses and I'll tick them off as you go. :thumbs:
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 09:18 PM
A lot of lone wolves out there today.
They've only shot a woman in the neck fgs. Of course they are violent.
They shot a woman standing at a door ffs....why didnt they open fire and just blow the lot of them away like they should have if they were as violent as you are try so hard to make out..:conf:
Kate!
06-01-2021, 09:21 PM
They shot a woman standing at a door ffs....why didnt they open fire and just blow the lot of them away like they should have if they were as violent as you are try so hard to make out..:conf:
Wut? Even shooting just one person is abysmal.
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 09:24 PM
He can't even ask folks to gome, without incitement
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Jack_
06-01-2021, 09:24 PM
Trump:
“We love you”
They've only shot a woman in the neck fgs. Of course they are violent.
In the belly.. she was shot in the belly..the blood you see is her drowning.
SherzyK
06-01-2021, 09:27 PM
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GiRTh
06-01-2021, 09:34 PM
Has anyone been arrested yet? I'm not hearing any kind of arrest count.
Shaun
06-01-2021, 09:35 PM
He can't even ask folks to gome, without incitement
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I've not seen that disclaimer on a tweet before. Hopefully this is the beginning of his censorship.
Tom4784
06-01-2021, 09:39 PM
I'm so sick of the news calling them protesters, they are terrorists.
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 09:40 PM
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James
06-01-2021, 09:43 PM
I've not seen that disclaimer on a tweet before. Hopefully this is the beginning of his censorship.
Twitter really need to be removing his posts or his account at this stage.
This whole voter-fraud conspiracy would never have gained the traction it has with some if Trump wasn't posting on Twitter.
Mystic Mock
06-01-2021, 09:44 PM
No matter how vile Trump is, I am even more livid at the fact that some of his voters have gone against their own beliefs of championing democracy.
Trump has no standards, but I am truly appalled at people that I thought of more highly despite our differences Politically.
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 09:45 PM
Twitter really need to be removing his posts or his account at this stage.
This whole voter-fraud conspiracy would never have gained the traction it has with some if Trump wasn't posting on Twitter.
It's been 24/7 on trump supporting news channels. You think trump would have just accepted if twitter didn't exist?
Tom4784
06-01-2021, 09:48 PM
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I saw a clip on Reddit of Maga Morons riding in a jeep fully armed down the DC streets and they have no clue they are looking like the fat inbred versions of ISIS.
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 09:49 PM
I saw a clip on Reddit of Maga Morons riding in a jeep fully armed down the DC streets and they have no clue they are looking like the fat inbred versions of ISIS.
DiabetIsis?
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 09:51 PM
Ted Cruz, one of the people responsible for this, sent out a fundraising email whilst it's all happening.
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James
06-01-2021, 09:52 PM
It's been 24/7 on trump supporting news channels. You think trump would have just accepted if twitter didn't exist?
I could be wrong but I don't think it would have grown the legs it has without social-media.
It's just the point that nothing ever needs to be rationalised or justified on Twitter. It just statements that are repeated and used to confirm peoples' biases. The agenda-filled news channels are similar though. They tell their viewers what they want to hear rather than an objective look at the facts.
this is only beginning, the police havent done anyhing yet, it's going to get very ugly
Josiah.
06-01-2021, 10:09 PM
The Capitol Police have been using Tear Gas and Flash Bangs to help disperse protesters; and if there are protesters still in the Capitol building, the police are shoving them out of the window arches.
And by 6pm ET, if people are still there by the curfew time; they will be arrested.
Denver
06-01-2021, 10:10 PM
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Oliver_W
06-01-2021, 10:11 PM
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My bae Bruce is there to sort things out!
Or maybe it's Jace #FutureState
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My bae Bruce is there to sort things out!
Or maybe it's Jace #FutureStateThat Batman one is not from today, it's from earlier in the year, I've seen it before.
All you hear on the news these days is the words "in a twitter post or via Twitter.
Get rid of Twitter maybe, instead of everyone else.
Cherie
06-01-2021, 10:18 PM
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My bae Bruce is there to sort things out!
Or maybe it's Jace #FutureState[/
I doubt they are in T-shirt’s in DC today!
Oliver_W
06-01-2021, 10:20 PM
All you hear on the news these days is the words "in a twitter post or via Twitter.
Get rid of Twitter maybe, instead of everyone else.
Twitter is a disgusting cesspit tbh, nothing of value would be lost if it were deleted.
I doubt they are in T-shirt’s in DC today!
Dang it, you're right :laugh:
I'll refrain from making a nerdy joke about "DC" and DC Comics
I reckon this improvised explosive find is cover for the probable fatal shooting of that protestor.
hijaxers
06-01-2021, 10:23 PM
Donald Trump is a disgrace to the USA !
Lock him up ~ I would suggest a mental Institution PRONTO
where is the attack aspect?
Yes, they’re clearly smashing up the place with the aim of sitting down and having a nice calm conversation aren’t they?
Tom4784
06-01-2021, 10:40 PM
Yes, they’re clearly smashing up the place with the aim of sitting down and having a nice calm conversation aren’t they?
It's what happens when someone can't see beyond 'their side' and the 'enemy'.
Trump could slit a child's throat on live TV and you could bet that a large part of the Right Wing would find a way to pin it on Biden. Republicans, Tories, and the right wing in general refuse to hold each other accountable and that's why the Right Wing is under siege from extremism, they allowed it to grow rather than call it out because it's all about hurting the other side.
Paraphrasing the words of that one infamous Trump supporter, the right wing is rapidly becoming a stance that doesn't stand for anything but hurting the 'right' people. It's all about 'owning the libs' and nothing more.
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 10:42 PM
I could be wrong but I don't think it would have grown the legs it has without social-media.
It's just the point that nothing ever needs to be rationalised or justified on Twitter. It just statements that are repeated and used to confirm peoples' biases. The agenda-filled news channels are similar though. They tell their viewers what they want to hear rather than an objective look at the facts.
I would wager that most of the insurgents use Parler, way more than twitter.
Denver
06-01-2021, 10:51 PM
The woman who was shot has died
The Slim Reaper
06-01-2021, 11:15 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFbQ-NXAAA5JtS?format=png&name=small
GiRTh
06-01-2021, 11:19 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFbQ-NXAAA5JtS?format=png&name=smallWe need to invoke the 25th. This geezers finally lost it.
the tweet is obscene, he is stoking a full on coup
reece(:
06-01-2021, 11:54 PM
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Denver
07-01-2021, 12:24 AM
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I'm not saying it's true, but I did call this hours ago. Now Laura Ingram is tweeting it, from some article. To confirm, I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's false either.
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SherzyK
07-01-2021, 12:49 AM
I'm not saying it's true, but I did call this hours ago. Now Laura Ingram is tweeting it, from some article. To confirm, I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's false either.
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I don’t understand the logic when Antifa basically don’t like Trump and wanted to get trump out of office, which is what happened. Why would they want to storm into the capitol when they got they wanted in the end?
SherzyK
07-01-2021, 12:51 AM
Omg not Laura Ingraham from FOX tweeting this though
user104658
07-01-2021, 12:51 AM
I'm not saying it's true, but I did call this hours ago. Now Laura Ingram is tweeting it, from some article. To confirm, I'm not saying it's true. I'm not saying it's false either.
1346979377150648320"Facial Recognition" :hehe:. Made by the same company that makes the UK's TV License Detection Vans, no doubt.
Ramsay
07-01-2021, 01:52 AM
"Facial Recognition" :hehe:. Made by the same company that makes the UK's TV License Detection Vans, no doubt.
It's obvioisly zoom, zoom, ENHANCE facial recognition from those CSI shows
Tom4784
07-01-2021, 03:45 AM
Imagine taking anything Laura Ingraham says seriously.
...there are some reports that there are 4 dead...Trump is right, this day should be remembered forever and will be...for the blood and shame he’s encouraged and incited...do his supporters not see the low value he places on people...
yes 3 other people died from medical emergencies apparently
thesheriff443
07-01-2021, 07:33 AM
This has been a civil uprising that happens all around the world, the people taking part are an uneducated unruly mob but to call these people terrorist’s is stretching the truth.
The level of bad blood in America goes nearly all the way back to its birth
Trump will be dead and gone but the divide will live on.
one of Trumps potential strategies was to pardon himself or give the presidency to Pence for a day and get him to do it. That door is closed now, the only way trump will escape justice is if he scampers off quickly to a country without an extradition treaty. He could now run away very quickly or he may cause complete havoc for the next 2 weeks. We will soon see
..I’m not sure that his ego will allow for ‘running away’...he’s the definition of power abuse...
Nicky91
07-01-2021, 08:11 AM
Trump must rot in prison for rest of his life :idc:
Shaun
07-01-2021, 08:28 AM
This has been a civil uprising that happens all around the world, the people taking part are an uneducated unruly mob but to call these people terrorist’s is stretching the truth.
The level of bad blood in America goes nearly all the way back to its birth
Trump will be dead and gone but the divide will live on.
The definition of terrorism is "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." Where's the stretch?
Nicky91
07-01-2021, 09:34 AM
https://twitter.com/DailyMailCeleb/status/1347100382091210753
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 09:34 AM
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Fair point - where were the authorities when the riots were going on throughout the summer? Did they sit on their hands because it was only normal citizens who were the victims, and not politicians?
Nicky91
07-01-2021, 10:49 AM
https://twitter.com/RTLde/status/1347127427684823041
Germany is doing a special broadcast about this, i can translate this tweet
Special programming: Presented after the violent riots yesterday
@kloeppelpeter
Today at 8:15 p.m. live from Washington the #rtlaktuell special 'Storm to the Capitol - America in Shock'. Asked for interview is foreign minister
@HeikoMaas
. #Washington
.
there are 13 days to go yet folks
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 11:01 AM
Fair point - where were the authorities when the riots were going on throughout the summer? Did they sit on their hands because it was only normal citizens who were the victims, and not politicians?
The police during BLM protests
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErEye7QUYAMSKd9?format=jpg&name=small
The police during yesterdays insurrection
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0FdQfbWKB-Y/hqdefault.jpg
You think BLM would have just been allowed to walk into the building like that with guns?
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 11:30 AM
The police during BLM protests
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErEye7QUYAMSKd9?format=jpg&name=small
The police during yesterdays insurrection
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0FdQfbWKB-Y/hqdefault.jpg
You think BLM would have just been allowed to walk into the building like that with guns?
You think the MAGA mob woukd have been allowed to burn their towns to the ground? Why didn't the police actually do anything to stop the riots?
You think the MAGA mob woukd have been allowed to burn their towns to the ground? Why didn't the police actually do anything to stop the riots?Because they were told to stand down by Democrat Mayor's.
They even took over a part of Seattle and declared it a Country, with borders.
Kazanne
07-01-2021, 11:40 AM
To get things into perspective ,Trumps words were NOT exactly as portrayed,he said "people will walk to Washington" or words to that effect,just another example of twisting his words to suit some of the media,this was debated this morning on the JV show, he never actually told the people to go and riot,that is what I gathered from the debate anyway. he really should just bow out gracefully and go off into the sunset. The people involved should be ashamed of themselves,and conceed that he lost.
user104658
07-01-2021, 11:50 AM
To get things into perspective ,Trumps words were NOT exactly as portrayed,he said "people will walk to Washington" or words to that effect,just another example of twisting his words to suit some of the media,this was debated this morning on the JV show, he never actually told the people to go and riot,that is what I gathered from the debate anyway. he really should just bow out gracefully and go off into the sunset. The people involved should be ashamed of themselves,and conceed that he lost.
He did, without being explicit. It's called plausible deniability.
"Plausible deniability is the ability of people, typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command, to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by others in an organizational hierarchy because of a lack or absence of evidence that can confirm their participation, even if they were personally involved in or at least willfully ignorant of the actions."
Trump relies on this concept a lot.
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 11:52 AM
You think the MAGA mob woukd have been allowed to burn their towns to the ground? Why didn't the police actually do anything to stop the riots?
You mean like all the tear gas and dragging folks off in unmarked vehicles by unidentified police officers? There were example of mothers with linked arms being shot with rubber bullets as they sang. This was all in the face of another police brutality incident that kicked the protests off.
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 12:06 PM
dragging folks off in unmarked vehicles by unidentified police officers?
When? The source cited for this seems to be a video of one dude being led away before the vid ends, without showing what happened before or after. There's no proof it was a regular occurence.
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 12:08 PM
Even wkth a few random examples of the police doing things they shouldn't during the riots, they obviously didn't handle them properly, they should never have been allowed to escalate as fwr as they did.
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 12:15 PM
Even wkth a few random examples of the police doing things they shouldn't during the riots, they obviously didn't handle them properly, they should never have been allowed to escalate as fwr as they did.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/17/portland-protests-federal-officers-george-floyd
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/18/call-kidnapping-federal-officers-accused-using-unmarked-cars/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53453077
BLM was the result of decades of abuse, not decades of right-wing white grievance politics.
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 12:22 PM
He did, without being explicit. It's called plausible deniability.
"Plausible deniability is the ability of people, typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command, to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by others in an organizational hierarchy because of a lack or absence of evidence that can confirm their participation, even if they were personally involved in or at least willfully ignorant of the actions."
Trump relies on this concept a lot.
You'll never take back your country with weakness - Trump yesterday
Lets have a trial by combat - Giuliani yesterday
Unless he said "everyone storm the capitol" then people will cognitive dissonance themselves into oblivion rather than admit they could have been wrong about trump all along.
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 12:39 PM
BLM was the result of decades of abuse, not decades of right-wing white grievance politics.
Doesn't excuse inflicting riots upon innocent people. If they can't protest peacefully, they should take it to the police and lawmakers.
GiRTh
07-01-2021, 12:48 PM
Doesn't excuse inflicting riots upon innocent people. If they can't protest peacefully, they should take it to the police and lawmakers.Who are you referring to? Who needs to protest peacefully?
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 12:51 PM
Who are you referring to? Who needs to protest peacefully?
The rioters from over the summer and the MAGA thugs.
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 12:52 PM
Doesn't excuse inflicting riots upon innocent people. If they can't protest peacefully, they should take it to the police and lawmakers.
It didn't happen in a vacuum. People have been putting up with this for decades and centuries. After every police murder they were lectured, they were dismissed with blue lives matter and all lives matter. The fact you're both siding this is weird tbh.
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 12:57 PM
It didn't happen in a vacuum. People have been putting up with this for decades and centuries. After every police murder they were lectured, they were dismissed with blue lives matter and all lives matter. The fact you're both siding this is weird tbh.
It's an easy thing to both-side, people who think it's okay to loot and burn aren't the "good guys", even if there are problems with law enforcement. But if they're gonna use violence, it shouldn't be aimed at innocent people who have nothing to do with their problems.
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 12:58 PM
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Ramsay
07-01-2021, 01:05 PM
you'll never take back your country with weakness - trump yesterday
lets have a trial by combat - giuliani yesterday
unless he said "everyone storm the capitol" then people will cognitive dissonance themselves into oblivion rather than admit they could have been wrong about trump all along.
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Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 01:05 PM
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and yet they let the cities burn? the police really does need reforming over there!
SherzyK
07-01-2021, 01:05 PM
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The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 01:08 PM
It's an easy thing to both-side, people who think it's okay to loot and burn aren't the "good guys", even if there are problems with law enforcement. But if they're gonna use violence, it shouldn't be aimed at innocent people who have nothing to do with their problems.
No one is saying that looting and burning things is appropriate. The protests were largely peaceful, there was also a mix of maga folks/proud boys/white supremacists counter protesting, antagonising, killing, and proven events of infiltrating and causing the violence themselves which added intentional fuel to the fire. What do you think would have happened yesterday if antifa turned up with guns to stop the magas?
Again, you treat everything as though it isn't the consequence of what came before.
Niamh.
07-01-2021, 01:55 PM
Nice T-Shirt worn by the guy on the left (ironically)...............
https://i.imgur.com/rAXy67Y.jpeg
Nice T-Shirt worn by the guy on the left (ironically)...............
https://i.imgur.com/rAXy67Y.jpeg
Niamh!! How weird.. I came on to post the exact same pic.
These people are revolting. I honestly don’t know what the answer is to dealing with these sort of twats, but they’re everywhere, the live among us :mad:
Niamh.
07-01-2021, 03:25 PM
Niamh!! How weird.. I came on to post the exact same pic.
These people are revolting. I honestly don’t know what the answer is to dealing with these sort of twats, but they’re everywhere, the live among us :mad:
Great minds :love: Madness going on in the world right now, the end is nigh....
Tom4784
07-01-2021, 03:30 PM
Terrorists, the lot of them. It's gross that most of them were let go without charges. If they were black, there would have been scores of people shot dead, yet they can't arrest these people for committing multiple felonies? For engaging in a terrorist act?
And before someone disengenuously makes out that I wanted a bunch of maga morons shot dead, I don't want that, I just want peaceful BLM protesters to be treated as well as violent white terrorists seemingly are.
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 03:30 PM
Nice T-Shirt worn by the guy on the left (ironically)...............
https://i.imgur.com/rAXy67Y.jpeg
Why does that dude on the right look exactly like Tony Robinson though?
Niamh.
07-01-2021, 03:33 PM
Why does that dude on the right look exactly like Tony Robinson though?
:laugh2: oh he does too
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 03:54 PM
He certainly had a cunning plan. :smug:
James
07-01-2021, 03:59 PM
Somebody said how did they lose control of the US Capitol to the cast of Duck Dynasty.
Mystic Mock
07-01-2021, 04:00 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFbQ-NXAAA5JtS?format=png&name=small
Wow!
I know there's some quite serious systemic issues of trust in the fabric of America's politics and media, but you'd have to wonder if even half the yee-haws who showed up yesterday really believe in this stuff. The reasons for the news media to make a big deal out of this are sincere and just, but there's another angle here. And that is that after near on two months of giving it socks, there simply wasn't enough conviction there in the end from Trump's support base.
Jesus, if I thought Ireland's elections outcomes were being genuinely manipulated to such an extent I'd probably be chained to a government building myself. With respect to the disgrace that it was, surely it pales in comparison - thankfully - to the disgrace it could have been. Most of the crowd showed up for a good ol' time. Their Glastonbury. A relatively tiny minority done a smash and grab on government buildings that seemed to last about as long as a few games of Fifa.
There's no doubt Trumpism is here to stay, and there'll doubtless be future threats and violence, but it's worth remembering in between all the shock and outrage how utterly toothless most of this lot are. The t-shirts, the chanting. It's the "**** everything establishment" brigade having a tailgate party.
Crimson Dynamo
07-01-2021, 04:07 PM
Why does that dude on the right look exactly like Tony Robinson though?
and why is a young Nick Cotton standing behind him?
Jake.
07-01-2021, 04:08 PM
Nice T-Shirt worn by the guy on the left (ironically)...............
https://i.imgur.com/rAXy67Y.jpeg
Just incase you needed any further guidance into the kind of people they are
hijaxers
07-01-2021, 04:15 PM
Nice T-Shirt worn by the guy on the left (ironically)...............
https://i.imgur.com/rAXy67Y.jpeg
This photo has disgusted everyone !
Crimson Dynamo
07-01-2021, 04:17 PM
what does that t-shirt mean?
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 04:17 PM
It was planned
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErIpRDQXUAU1lrL?format=jpg&name=medium
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 04:18 PM
what does that t-shirt mean?
Means he's wearing a nazi t-shirt, mocking the victims of auschwitz.
Denver
07-01-2021, 04:20 PM
The FBi are going to arrest and charge them all, the people who entered the building will face 15 charges which could been they all get around 100 years
Cherie
07-01-2021, 04:29 PM
So what prompted the woman being shot at?
Denver
07-01-2021, 04:31 PM
So what prompted the woman being shot at?
The fact she tried to get into a room that was baracaded to protect the people inside she incited violence and was lawfully shot because of it
Cherie
07-01-2021, 04:33 PM
The fact she tried to get into a room that was baracaded to protect the people inside she incited violence and was lawfully shot because of it
Was she on her own, how many shots were fired, did she have a firearm, just wondering why her, must have been chaos in there :shrug:
Are you still defunding? or does it depend on who is being shot
Denver
07-01-2021, 04:35 PM
Was she on her own, how many shots were fired, did she have a firearm, just wondering why her, must have been chaos in there :shrug:
She was part of a group and she tried climbing through a little gap tk get into the room where one shot was fired, we should care more for the 3 innocent workers who were caused to have fatal heart attacks
Cherie
07-01-2021, 04:37 PM
She was part of a group and she tried climbing through a little gap tk get into the room where one shot was fired, we should care more for the 3 innocent workers who were caused to have fatal heart attacks
I don’t care that she is dead, I just wondered how she was singled out
She wasnt climbing through anything when she was shot..I think she threw some powder at the gun toting guards though..cause if you see the pic of them there is dust on the table in front of them..
Her name will be remembered for years to come when this all comes out.
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 04:38 PM
I don’t care that she is dead, I just wondered how she was singled out
I would guess, although we don't know yet, it happened when they started firing through the doors, so the fuzz started firing back without a clear view, so more than likely it was a stray bullet.
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 04:39 PM
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Crimson Dynamo
07-01-2021, 05:01 PM
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There is a video of the shooting and it looks an appaling and totally unnecessary act, the cop basically shooting to kill. She was unarmed and had a whole armed police team directly behind her who could easily have apprehended her if they needed to
So what prompted the woman being shot at?Good optics for the anti Trump propaganda.
AnnieK
07-01-2021, 05:48 PM
There is a video of the shooting and it looks an appaling and totally unnecessary act, the cop basically shooting to kill. She was unarmed and had a whole armed police team directly behind her who could easily have apprehended her if they needed to
Its not like the US Police force don't have form for shoot first, ask questions later. :shrug:
LT is usually first to remind us how difficult it is to be a Police Officer in the US and how they fear for their lives every time they put on a uniform. This unnecessary killing is another to add to the list of civilians being killed when non lethal force was sufficient
Cherie
07-01-2021, 06:00 PM
I would guess, although we don't know yet, it happened when they started firing through the doors, so the fuzz started firing back without a clear view, so more than likely it was a stray bullet.
oh okay so its not clear yet
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 06:01 PM
oh okay so its not clear yet
I think Matt had more uptodate info than me if you read the post Annie is quoting directly above.
Nicky91
07-01-2021, 06:01 PM
Its not like the US Police force don't have form for shoot first, ask questions later. :shrug:
LT is usually first to remind us how difficult it is to be a Police Officer in the US and how they fear for their lives every time they put on a uniform. This unnecessary killing is another to add to the list of civilians being killed when non lethal force was sufficient
in a situation like this, when your capital building is under attack, shoot to incapacitate, make sure they are no longer a threat
teargas is also a good one, and usage of tasers whenever being attacked yourself is a good last resort weapon of choice
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 06:02 PM
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SherzyK
07-01-2021, 06:05 PM
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Yikes
Nicky91
07-01-2021, 06:06 PM
ObO_Tv1ypAI
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Niamh.
07-01-2021, 06:08 PM
There is a video of the shooting and it looks an appaling and totally unnecessary act, the cop basically shooting to kill. She was unarmed and had a whole armed police team directly behind her who could easily have apprehended her if they needed toThat's awful if true, just proves that the American Police Force really need different training when it comes to dealing with situations like this
Niamh.
07-01-2021, 06:10 PM
1347232193341513736Well, that sums up their entitlement perfectly
Crimson Dynamo
07-01-2021, 06:12 PM
Well, that sums up their entitlement perfectly
no, it is one woman and it represents her view only
if indeed it is true...
Denver
07-01-2021, 06:15 PM
There is a video of the shooting and it looks an appaling and totally unnecessary act, the cop basically shooting to kill. She was unarmed and had a whole armed police team directly behind her who could easily have apprehended her if they needed to
But witnesses who were on the same team as here paint the whole story
Cherie
07-01-2021, 06:18 PM
There is a video of the shooting and it looks an appaling and totally unnecessary act, the cop basically shooting to kill. She was unarmed and had a whole armed police team directly behind her who could easily have apprehended her if they needed to
mmm I just read it was lawful!
if it was a protection team protecting law makers, they wouldn't mess about with a large crowd involved
Denver
07-01-2021, 06:29 PM
At the end of the day she was trespassing on property she broke into and was not allowed to be on I have very little to no sympathy for her
Capitol riots: Dozens of arrests as police find molotov cocktails, pipe bombs and guns at pro-Trump siege...
Police in Washington DC have made dozens of arrests after uncovering molotov cocktails, pipe bombs and guns at the pro-Trump siege.
Police officials said a total of four people had lost their lives in the day of chaos and violence.
Speaking at a press conference on Wednesday evening, with DC police chief Police Chief Robert Robert J Contee, Ms Bowser she was startled by efforts to disrupt events taking place in her city.
People had “sought to disrupt the Congressional proceedings relating to the acceptance of electoral college votes”.
“Persons are dissatisfied with judicial rulings and the findings of State Boards of Elections, and some persons can be expected to continue their violent protests through the inauguration.”
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/capitol-riots-dozens-arrests-police-041021950.html
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 06:36 PM
mmm I just read it was lawful!
It was absolutely lawful, but more than likely also absolutely unnecessary.
The twitter feed of the dead woman has some absolutly disgusting comments from lefties on it yesterday.
Crimson Dynamo
07-01-2021, 06:39 PM
Ben Shapiro said that it was the worst day for America since 9/11!
The Slim Reaper
07-01-2021, 06:39 PM
The woman who was shot. She knew what she was there for, unfortunately.
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Denver
07-01-2021, 06:40 PM
The twitter feed of the dead woman has some absolutly disgusting comments from lefties on it yesterday.
Well she did send out a retweet that threatened to kill people by firing squad
Oliver_W
07-01-2021, 06:44 PM
At the end of the day she was trespassing on property she broke into and was not allowed to be on I have very little to no sympathy for her
Do you think anyone who breaks the law should be shot?
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