Meghan Markle wins privacy claim against Daily Mail

[Tom4784]

But she said negative things about Meghan so it must be true!!!!!

[Tom4784]

Are you sure you know your own mind though?

Why not let me tell you what you are really thinking :think:

'Unless it's an article slating Meghan Markle, then i'll gladly be told what to think.'

[jet]

Yes you've posted many times what notorious blabbermouth Lizzie Cundy had to say to the press for a pay cheque and it never sounds anymore reliable no matter how you word it.

The truth hurts. Denial is natural.

[Tom4784]

The truth hurts. Denial is natural.

The truth of the matter is that you're taking statements and speculation without a shred of proof as being the irreputable truth while making out that people who are reasonably questioning and doubting such things as being in denial. This is projection and nothing more

It's clear as day that you think that anything that paints Meghan in a bad light is without a doubt factual, yet anything that paints her otherwise is simply something to be ignored.

[jet]

'Unless it's an article slating Meghan Markle, then i'll gladly be told what to think.'

Nope, I didn't pay any heed to the candles in the abbey thing, or believe she threw hot tea around someone or the bruises Harry was seen with were maybe caused by Meghan bashing him...and lots more silly stuff. Discernment is important Dezzy. :nono:

[Cherie]

'Unless it's an article slating Meghan Markle, then i'll gladly be told what to think.'

Not read any articles, have you watched the SA documentary?

[jet]

The truth of the matter is that you're taking statements and speculation without a shred of proof as being the irreputable truth while making out that people who are reasonably questioning and doubting such things as being in denial. This is projection and nothing more

It's clear as day that you think that anything that paints Meghan in a bad light is without a doubt factual, yet anything that paints her otherwise is simply something to be ignored.

I said it to 'one' person, about a particular subject, which suddenly becomes 'everyone'. Your posts are full of the most dreadful exaggeration and mind - reading attempts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is her unbelievable letter to her own father that was published in full from the ruling

astonishing

“Daddy,

It is with a heavy heart that I write this, not understanding why you have chosen to take this path, turning a blind eye to the pain you’re causing. The last time we spoke was seven days before our wedding when Harry and I called you. This was followed by a turbulent and confusing week where we called you multiple times a day to try to understand what was happening.

From my phone alone, I called you over 20 times and you ignored my calls, opting instead to solely speak to tabloids — leaving me in the days before our wedding worried, confused, shocked, and absolutely blindsided.

Post wedding you then made a choice to begin an onslaught of media interviews, which are still ongoing. Your actions have broken my heart into a million pieces — not simply because you have manufactured such unnecessary and unwarranted pain, but by making the choice to not tell the truth as you are puppeteered in this. Something I will never understand.

You've told the press that you called me to say you weren't coming to the wedding — that didn't happen because you never called. You've said I’ve never helped you financially and you’ve never asked me for help which is also untrue; you sent me an email last October that said, "if I've depended too much on you for financial help then I'm sorry but please if you could help me more, not as a bargaining chip for my loyalty. You already have that whether you realize it or not."

And while I still refuse to read any press, it was shared with me what you said about ... [Here, the claimant complained that her father had been unjust in what he wrote about a relative, and the claimant’s behaviour towards that relative. She provided a detailed rebuttal]. I have only ever loved, protected, and defended you, offering whatever financial support I could, worrying about your health be it your ... [Here, the claimant referred to a number of health problems encountered by her father] ..., and always asking how I could help.

So the week of the wedding to hear about you having a heart attack through a tabloid was horrifying. I called and texted you and desperately tried to find out about the medical treatment you would need and where you would be.

I begged you to accept help — we sent someone to your home, tried to have them drive you to the hospital, to get the best care and protection for you, and instead of speaking to me to accept this or any help, you stopped answering your phone and chose to only speak to tabloids. I will never understand why especially with you knowing I have always looked out for your health ... [Here, the claimant wrote about the nature and content of conversations with her father over the past 10 years] ... in the last two years your obsession with tabloid media only exacerbated my worry for you, which is why I pleaded with you to stop reading the tabloids.

On a daily basis you fixated and clicked on the lies they were writing about me, especially those manufactured by your other daughter, who I barely know ... [The claimant wrote about her upbringing, her half-sister and their relationship]... Though you feel you did your best to stop her while you watched me silently suffer at the hand of her vicious lies, I crumbled inside. ... [The claimant described her feelings about her father’s health] ... I ... urged you day after day to stop reading the tabloids.

But you couldn't — and your fascination grew into paranoia (and then rage) of how you were being portrayed. You know how much anguish tabloid press has caused — lies simply for click bait. So to suffer through this media circus created by you is all the more devastating.

You continue to be manipulated by the press, who are likely promising you the world to keep churning out these fictitious stories, yet still ridiculing you. The lies you have been paid to share about me, about our help for you, ... [Reference was made to support the claimant says her father received] ... is staggering and confusing. [... Reference was made to the contents of correspondence sent by Mr Markle ...]

We all rallied around to support and protect you from day one and this you know. So to hear about the attacks you’ve made at Harry in press, who was nothing but patient, kind, and understanding with you is perhaps the most painful of all. I will truly never understand it.

For some reason you choose to continue fabricating these stories, manufacturing this fictitious narrative, and entrenching yourself deeper into this web you’ve spun. The only thing that helps me sleep at night is the faith and knowing that a lie can’t live forever.

My hope is that you can take a moment to reflect on this. To remember our conversation seven days before the wedding when we asked you if the claims of you working with the paparazzi and press were true and told you if we tried to protect you from the story running (something we've never attempted to do for anyone, ourselves included) that we wouldn't be able to use that strength to protect our own children one day. Even knowing that, you said it wasn't true.

I believed you, trusted you, and told you I loved vou. The next morning the CCTV footage came out. You haven't reached out to me since the week of our wedding, and while you claim you have no way of contacting me, my number has remained the same. This you know. No texts, no missed calls, no outreach from you, just more global interviews you’re being paid to do to say harmful and hurtful things that are untrue.

If you, love me, as you tell the press you do, please stop. Please allow us to live our lives in peace. Please stop lying, please stop creating so much pain, please stop exploiting my relationship with my husband, and please stop taking the bait from the press.

I realize you are so far down this rabbit hole that you feel (or may feel) there is no way out, but if you take a moment to pause I think you’ll see that being able to live with a clear conscience is more valuable than any payment in the world. I ask for nothing other than peace, and I wish the same for you.

Meg

[Tom4784]

Not read any articles, have you watched the SA documentary?

Nope, why would I? I've always said that I don't care about this couple, it's the obvious bigotry aimed at them that bothers me.

[Tom4784]

Nope, I didn't pay any heed to the candles in the abbey thing, or believe she threw hot tea around someone or the bruises Harry was seen with were maybe caused by Meghan bashing him...and lots more silly stuff. Discernment is important Dezzy. :nono:

You say that, but you'll believe hearsay and gossip. It doesn't really make you all that believable when you talk about being discerning but you treat Lizzie Cundy being paid to say things as a bastion of truth.

[rusticgal]

Not read any articles, have you watched the SA documentary?



:think:.....

[Tom4784]

I said it to 'one' person, about a particular subject, which suddenly becomes 'everyone'. Your posts are full of the most dreadful exaggeration and mind - reading attempts.

I don't read minds, I read the words you write. If you take issue with that, then look to your own posts because I'm just responding to what you are saying.

[LukeB]

I don't think anyone is going to take you all seriously with all this africa doc since Meghan haters have an agenda and it's not coming from a non-bias pov. Meghan being asked how she is feeling is always left out,

[jet]

Nope, why would I? I've always said that I don't care about this couple, it's the obvious bigotry aimed at them that bothers me.

Yet you posted this back in August:

Honestly, the Royal family should just step aside and let Queen Meg ascend to her rightful throne :clap1: We are not worthy :clap1:


Okay, you big fan you. :joker:

[rusticgal]

Nope, why would I? I've always said that I don't care about this couple, it's the obvious bigotry aimed at them that bothers me.


Perhaps if you knew more about them you might see why people have opinions on them....watch the documentary then come on here and defend them.

[Tom4784]

Yet you posted this back in August:



Okay, you big fan you. :joker:

Not one for sarcasm, are you?

[LukeB]

Perhaps if you knew more about them you might see why people have opinions on them....watch the documentary then come on here and defend them.

People with agendas*

[rusticgal]

Meghan haters have an agenda ,


:joker:

[LukeB]

:joker:

Well they do to justify their toxic hate towards a woman of colour


you all clutch at straws over anything Meghan does and try and twist it too.

[jet]

Not one for sarcasm, are you?

Right Jan. Busted. :joker:

[Tom4784]

Perhaps if you knew more about them you might see why people have opinions on them....watch the documentary then come on here and defend them.

'Watch this one thing and then disregard everything else like we have!'

Nope, I don't need to watch a documentary from one perspective to comment on the media coverage of these two and how Meghan's treatment compares to Kate's for the same behaviours.

Even in this thread, we saw an article posted that contained little to no facts but pure speculation to force a narrative that wasn't supported by anything resembling evidence. That's the same thing for all the coverage that Meghan has. It's just endless fiction meant to rile up the gullible and deeply foolish that lack the critical thinking to see it for what it is. People cling to gossip and speculation because they think it justifies their hate.

[jet]

'Watch this one thing and then disregard everything else like we have!'

Nope, I don't need to watch a documentary from one perspective to comment on the media coverage of these two and how Meghan's treatment compares to Kate's for the same behaviours.

Even in this thread, we saw an article posted that contained little to no facts but pure speculation to force a narrative that wasn't supported by anything resembling evidence. That's the same thing for all the coverage that Meghan has. It's just endless fiction meant to rile up the gullible and deeply foolish that lack the critical thinking to see it for what it is. People cling to gossip and speculation because they think it justifies their hate.

Then read serious articles from long time sources that have proved to be reliable over many years. I've posted their names often enough for research but no -one admits to reading them for more info. :shrug:

[Tom4784]

Right Jan. Busted. :joker:

I am embarrassed for you, if that's the best you can come up with. You trawled through months of my posts to find a sarcastic post that you're trying to pass off as genuine and you're acting so smug about it because you lack the critical thought to see the problems with what you're trying (and failing miserably) to do.

Grow up.

[Tom4784]

Then read serious articles from long time sources that have proved to be reliable over many years. I've posted their names often enough for research but no -one admits to reading them for more info. :shrug:

You've been told many times why people don't pay heed to your gossip rags and speculative articles, reading glossy magazines and tabloids is not research.

[jet]

I am embarrassed for you, if that's the best you can come up with. You trawled through months of my posts to find a sarcastic post that you're trying to pass off as genuine and you're acting so smug about it because you lack the critical thought to see the problems with what you're trying (and failing miserably) to do.

Grow up.

I didn't trawl through anything, you're not that important. I happened across it when I was reading another thread earlier for a post I made about Tom Bradby.
:joker:

[jet]

You've been told many times why people don't pay heed to your gossip rags and speculative articles, reading glossy magazines and tabloids is not research.

If it makes you feel better to think so, I understand. :pat:

[Tom4784]

I didn't trawl through anything, you're not that important. I happened across it when I was reading another thread earlier for a post I made about Tom Bradby.
:joker:

So, I point out that I'm not mind reading, but reading your posts and then you turn up a post from months ago and try to make out that despite the fact it's obviously a joke, that I'm being deadly serious and when I point that out, you try to tell me I'm not important to you even though you made a note of that post in the first place, for what? A chance to try to use it as a trump card and flop at doing so?

Your actions belittle your words. Now if you've stopped acting like a child and lashing out because I'm simply better at this, than you are, let's get back to the topic.

[jet]

It's snowing! Off I go for a walk...behave yourselves now....:hehe:

[Tom4784]

If it makes you feel better to think so, I understand. :pat:

'I have nothing to say but I can't admit that so I'm going to post a nothing response and be patronising despite the fact that I've been on the backfoot this whole exchange'.

If you want an out, just say so. No need for pageantry.

[jet]

So, I point out that I'm not mind reading, but reading your posts and then you turn up a post from months ago and try to make out that despite the fact it's obviously a joke, that I'm being deadly serious and when I point that out, you try to tell me I'm not important to you even though you made a note of that post in the first place, for what? A chance to try to use it as a trump card and flop at doing so?

Your actions belittle your words. Now if you've stopped acting like a child and lashing out because I'm simply better at this, than you are, let's get back to the topic.

Oh Dezzy, you so have to be right and top all the time. It's quite sad.

[Tom4784]

Oh Dezzy, you so have to be right and top all the time. It's quite sad.

If I was wrong, it wouldn't be hard to prove so. You wouldn't have to resort to insults because you would be able to operate on even footing to me.

If I'm wrong, prove me wrong, no point blaming me if you can't come up with a good response. Again, childish behaviour.

[rusticgal]

'Watch this one thing and then disregard everything else like we have!'

Nope, I don't need to watch a documentary from one perspective to comment on the media coverage of these two and how Meghan's treatment compares to Kate's for the same behaviours.

Even in this thread, we saw an article posted that contained little to no facts but pure speculation to force a narrative that wasn't supported by anything resembling evidence. That's the same thing for all the coverage that Meghan has. It's just endless fiction meant to rile up the gullible and deeply foolish that lack the critical thinking to see it for what it is. People cling to gossip and speculation because they think it justifies their hate.


So the one thing you can watch to try and understand why her popularity went downhill fast...the true testament with words falling out of their own mouths...its not fiction...its not gossip...it justifies why some people dislike her.
Its called burying your head in the sand.:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Yes you've posted many times what notorious blabbermouth Lizzie Cundy had to say to the press for a pay cheque and it never sounds anymore reliable no matter how you word it.

The Lizzie Cundy stuff will never get old. :joker: Pissing myself.

[Cherie]

Nope, why would I? I've always said that I don't care about this couple, it's the obvious bigotry aimed at them that bothers me.

because is key to why people suddenly sat up and began to see what was going on, prior to that there were tabloid headlines and snippets but I think most people dismissed them as gossip especially the rift with William

this is where is was confirmed by the couple themselves against a backdrop of unimaginable poverty and abuse of females

[Marsh.]

I happened across it

:laugh2:

[Tom4784]

So the one thing you can watch to try and understand why her popularity went downhill fast...the true testament with words falling out of their own mouths...its not fiction...its not gossip...it justifies why some people dislike her.
Its called burying your head in the sand.:laugh:

I don't need to watch it, I understand why people use it as a reason to hate her. She got emotional about finding things hard and people thought that she had no reason to find things hard because of who she is.

None of it really relates to my arguments about how the media presents them, it just shows that people think that the rich can't suffer mental health issues or struggle with parenthood because money apparently fixes everything.

Trying to make out I'm burying my head in the sand won't work, it just makes you look like you're looking for reasons to invalidate my views without putting any effort into it. 'If you haven't watched something I want you to watch then all your views on the subject don't matter!' A weak way of trying to win a discussion.

[Tom4784]

because is key to why people suddenly sat up and began to see what was going on, prior to that there were tabloid headlines and snippets but I think most people dismissed them as gossip especially the rift with William

this is where is was confirmed by the couple themselves against a backdrop of unimaginable poverty and abuse of females

It is not key to the reason why I'm opposed to their treatment though, you would have to deny reality to make out that Meghan and Kate got different reactions when they were both engaging in the same behaviours.

It's just a way of you trying to discount my views without with effort, like I said to Rustic.

[Ammi]

...I have seen the South Africa interview and it’s always heartbreaking to see someone struggling in the way Meghan obviously was...obviously that’s my own interpretation and how I saw it...but interestingly, I was reading an Article from a New Zealand magazine so more neutral/unbias as the uk media has always been, if you like ...the negative U.K. media/social media attention given to Meghan began a lot earlier than their SA visit and it built and it built in intensity, according to timelines...and actually, it seems that there was more warmth toward her at the time of and just following the SA interview when it was realised how the extremity of it all was impacting her and her mental welfare...her more popular time in actuality we could say....and real support for her but sadly it didn’t last because the tabloid media are very relentless...



As clips of Meghan's heartbreaking confession that she "wasn't doing OK" surfaced on social media, a viral hashtag called #WeLoveYouMeghan started trending on Twitter, with fans rallying around the royals.
"If you're watching #HarryandMeghan right now and still have something negative to say, you don't have a heart," one fan wrote.
Another said: "I like them even more after watching... didn't think that was possible. Substance & style. An amazing couple. They're authentically themselves."

[Marsh.]

because is key to why people suddenly sat up and began to see what was going on, prior to that there were tabloid headlines and snippets but I think most people dismissed them as gossip especially the rift with William

this is where is was confirmed by the couple themselves against a backdrop of unimaginable poverty and abuse of females

Hold on, let's not reframe the hate they receive entirely around the African Journey documentary, because that's flat out false.

A quick search of this very forum proves those kinds of threads LONG predate that documentary.

[Ammi]

Hold on, let's not reframe the hate they receive entirely around the African Journey documentary, because that's flat out false.

A quick search of this very forum proves those kinds of threads LONG predate that documentary.

...the timelines of how she was treated by the U.K. media seem to be well documented from world views as well, so no bias applied as U.K. articles appear to have...and actually, the SA visit and her interview that was so raw and emotional marked a surge in her popularity and support ...sadly not long lasting ...

[Cherie]

Hold on, let's not reframe the hate they receive entirely around the African Journey documentary, because that's flat out false.

A quick search of this very forum proves those kinds of threads LONG predate that documentary.

I am taking about my own experience and the experience of a few forum members who said the same, only you appear to be able to talk for everyone

maybe quote the threads, lets see who said what

[Marsh.]

I am taking about my own experience and the experience of a few forum members who said the same, only you appear to be able to talk for everyone

maybe quote the threads, lets see who said what

Who have I spoken for? :joker:

You're the one claiming the "experience of a few forum members".

I'm simply pointing out the threads on this forum date back further than the broadcast of that documentary. Clear to anyone who cares to actually look.

[Cherie]

Who have I spoken for? :joker:

You're the one claiming the "experience of a few forum members".

I'm simply pointing out the threads on this forum date back further than the broadcast of that documentary. Clear to anyone who cares to actually look.

Please quote them so we can all have a look see ta

[Marsh.]

Please quote them so we can all have a look see ta

Right, so you can make claims that the documentary changed things for everyone on the forum, because you say so. :joker:

But I have to search the forum for you? :laugh:

You have hands, use them. The documentary aired October 2019 to save you the hard work of googling for yourself too.

[Cherie]

Right, so you can make claims that the documentary changed things for everyone on the forum, because you say so. :joker:

But I have to search the forum for you? :laugh:

You have hands, use them. The documentary aired October 2019 to save you the hard work of googling for yourself too.



this is what I said

I am taking about my own experience and the experience of a few forum members who said the same

why should you produce evidence? because you need to back up your claims, I don't need to do that

[Jordan.]

...the timelines of how she was treated by the U.K. media seem to be well documented from world views as well, so no bias applied as U.K. articles appear to have...and actually, the SA and her interview that was so raw and emotional marked a surge in her popularity and support ...sadly not long lasting ...

Yep, whilst it was no doubt a huge opportunity for people to questionably spit even more venom at two people who were mentally struggling. It was also the point a lot of people who weren't particularly interested in them before (myself included) took notice of how they were being treated and refused to tolerate it.

[Marsh.]

this is what I said

I am taking about my own experience and the experience of a few forum members who said the same

why should you produce evidence? because you need to back up your claims, I don't need to do that

Back up my claims that there's threads on this forum full of hate for Meghan Markle that predate the documentary? This is the forum.

You're. on. the. forum. Go look Cherie, I have full confidence in you.

[jet]

...the timelines of how she was treated by the U.K. media seem to be well documented from world views as well, so no bias applied as U.K. articles appear to have...and actually, the SA visit and her interview that was so raw and emotional marked a surge in her popularity and support ...sadly not long lasting ...

The exact opposite to what I seen and read at the time. Polls at the time saw her drop dramatically in popularity after the SA interview - Harry's popularity didn't just then even though he spoke out about his difficulties with William, though he has dropped way down currently.

[rusticgal]

this is what I said

I am taking about my own experience and the experience of a few forum members who said the same

why should you produce evidence? because you need to back up your claims, I don't need to do that


Its called 'Putting your money where your mouth is'....:hee:

[jet]

...I have seen the South Africa interview and it’s always heartbreaking to see someone struggling in the way Meghan obviously was...obviously that’s my own interpretation and how I saw it...but interestingly, I was reading an Article from a New Zealand magazine so more neutral/unbias as the uk media has always been, if you like ...the negative U.K. media/social media attention given to Meghan began a lot earlier than their SA visit and it built and it built in intensity, according to timelines...and actually, it seems that there was more warmth toward her at the time of and just following the SA interview when it was realised how the extremity of it all was impacting her and her mental welfare...her more popular time in actuality we could say....and real support for her but sadly it didn’t last because the tabloid media are very relentless...



As clips of Meghan's heartbreaking confession that she "wasn't doing OK" surfaced on social media, a viral hashtag called #WeLoveYouMeghan started trending on Twitter, with fans rallying around the royals.
"If you're watching #HarryandMeghan right now and still have something negative to say, you don't have a heart," one fan wrote.
Another said: "I like them even more after watching... didn't think that was possible. Substance & style. An amazing couple. They're authentically themselves."

Magazines and social media stuff are looked down upon on here though as worthless (see previous posts upthread). Don't go by them myself much.

[Cherie]

...I have seen the South Africa interview and it’s always heartbreaking to see someone struggling in the way Meghan obviously was...obviously that’s my own interpretation and how I saw it...but interestingly, I was reading an Article from a New Zealand magazine so more neutral/unbias as the uk media has always been, if you like ...the negative U.K. media/social media attention given to Meghan began a lot earlier than their SA visit and it built and it built in intensity, according to timelines...and actually, it seems that there was more warmth toward her at the time of and just following the SA interview when it was realised how the extremity of it all was impacting her and her mental welfare...her more popular time in actuality we could say....and real support for her but sadly it didn’t last because the tabloid media are very relentless...



As clips of Meghan's heartbreaking confession that she "wasn't doing OK" surfaced on social media, a viral hashtag called #WeLoveYouMeghan started trending on Twitter, with fans rallying around the royals.
"If you're watching #HarryandMeghan right now and still have something negative to say, you don't have a heart," one fan wrote.
Another said: "I like them even more after watching... didn't think that was possible. Substance & style. An amazing couple. They're authentically themselves."

As a matter of interest Ammi did you think it was the right platform to air their woes? there is no doubting they were upset but personally I didn't think that was the time or place tbh

[Marsh.]

Its called 'Putting your money where your mouth is'....:hee:

I repeat. We are on the forum.

I'm not quoting Lizzie Cundy here... looking. on. the. forum.

[Ammi]

...yeah, I guess that my own thoughts would be quite reflective of the support they appeared to have got in the timeline of negative media against Meghan and that surge of popularity at that time...Royal awareness raising is a multi layered thing and they spoke of a very personal thing to them as well which was reflective of their own mental struggles at the time...it didn’t have to be and never should be an ‘either /or’ of any other spect of their visit...mental health is always a very important thing to to talk about openly for many people who will relate and when it’s a Royal/celebrity etc, it touches and inspires others to speak about their own experiences and to help recognise themselves when they’re struggling...

[Ammi]

The exact opposite to what I seen and read at the time. Polls at the time saw her drop dramatically in popularity after the SA interview - Harry's popularity didn't just then even though he spoke out about his difficulties with William, though he has dropped way down currently.

...it’s documented in many timelines that it enhanced her popularity and not related in any way to the biased U.K. tabloid media, I’m not sure what else to say...

[joeysteele]

...yeah, I guess that my own thoughts would be quite reflective of the support they appeared to have got in the timeline of negative media against Meghan and that surge of popularity at that time...Royal awareness raising is a multi layered thing and they spoke of a very personal thing to them as well which was reflective of their own mental struggles at the time...it didn’t have to be and never should be an ‘either /or’ of any other spect of their visit...mental health is always a very important thing to to talk about openly for many people who will relate and when it’s a Royal/celebrity etc, it touches and inspires others to speak about their own experiences and to help recognise themselves when they’re struggling...

I totally agree.

I saw no wrong in how it was handled either.
Sometimes there's criticism of the Royals being more robotic and not like everyone else.

To open up so personally as was done there, it endeared them more to me rather than see them more negatively.

[Ammi]

I totally agree.

I saw no wrong in how it was handed either.
Sometimes there's criticism of the Royals being more robotic and not like everyone else.

To open up so personally as was done there, it endeared them more to me rather than see them more negatively.

..that’s a huge change with the Royal family, Joey...that they’ve become more personal and relatable over time and hugely inspired others...

[jet]

...it’s documented in many timelines that it enhanced her popularity and not related in any way to the biased U.K. tabloid media, I’m not sure what else to say...

Okay...I didn't see this great surge in her popularity though... far from it, quite the opposite. Not saying you didn't....:shrug:

[AnnieK]

As a matter of interest Ammi did you think it was the right platform to air their woes? there is no doubting they were upset but personally I didn't think that was the time or place tbh

I didn't think there was anything wrong to be honest either. As I said earlier in the thread, there would be women sat at home watching it, struggling with their own mental health and thinking they were wrong to feel that way as there are people.in the world worse off so they should just shut up and deal with it. But seeing Meghan saying she is struggling even with her fame and fortune, with the backdrop of what she had also seen might have allowed women here to think they were ok to be struggling and possibly open up and seek help.

Just my personal opinion of course as the way I saw it when I watched at the time and I haven't changed my mind. Yes there are people in the world living horrific lives, but there are people here too who feel they have nowhere to turn too

[jet]

https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

A recent poll. Camilla and the little seen Sophie Wessex are more popular then Meghan. Maybe people should ask themselves why this is so without the usual resorting to 'she's mixed race'!!! 'she took poor Harry away'!!!
Maybe some people think like that, a tiny minority I would guess, but its just a too lazy and convenient way of brushing off peoples valid opinions and perceptions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

A recent poll. Camilla and the little seen Sophie Wessex are more popular then Meghan. Maybe people should ask themselves why this is so without the usual resorting to 'she's mixed race'!!! 'she took poor Harry away'!!!
Maybe some people think like that, a tiny minority I would guess, but its just a too lazy and convenient way of brushing off peoples valid opinions and perceptions.

I think most of the GBP see through her abject BS

i mean its not hard to

"im so caring, woe is me"

This devious woman is after one thing


and one thing only

POWER

[AnnieK]

https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

A recent poll. Camilla and the little seen Sophie Wessex are more popular then Meghan. Maybe people should ask themselves why this is so without the usual resorting to 'she's mixed race'!!! 'she took poor Harry away'!!!
Maybe some people think like that, a tiny minority I would guess, but its just a too lazy and convenient way of brushing off peoples valid opinions and perceptions.

They aren't Royals anymore. Unless you have an interest in them or the family (or come on this forum lol) a lot of people probably don't give them a thought anymore.

[jet]

I didn't think there was anything wrong to be honest either. As I said earlier in the thread, there would be women sat at home watching it, struggling with their own mental health and thinking they were wrong to feel that way as there are people.in the world worse off so they should just shut up and deal with it. But seeing Meghan saying she is struggling even with her fame and fortune, with the backdrop of what she had also seen might have allowed women here to think they were ok to be struggling and possibly open up and seek help.

Just my personal opinion of course as the way I saw it when I watched at the time and I haven't changed my mind. Yes there are people in the world living horrific lives, but there are people here too who feel they have nowhere to turn too

Too be honest Annie, I don't think many woman sitting at home struggling needed a hugely privileged Duchess to tell them it was all right. They would more likely be thinking 'What the hell has she got to complain about with all the best mental health care available to her at a click of her finger and anything else she wants or needs, if only I had her resources!"
But I respect your personal opinion on it of course. :)

[jet]

They aren't Royals anymore. Unless you have an interest in them or the family (or come on this forum lol) a lot of people probably don't give them a thought anymore.

They are Royals until they decide to give up their very Royal titles, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
I think people give them more thought than they do Camilla or Sophie, as they put themselves out there constantly. They have been in the papers or news or discussed on morning tv, etc many times since their break from the UK relating to some drama or other. :hee:

[AnnieK]

Too be honest Annie, I don't think many woman sitting at home struggling needed a hugely privileged Duchess to tell them it was all right. They would more likely be thinking 'What the hell has she got to complain about with all the best mental health care available to her at a click of her finger and anything else she wants or needs, if only I had her resources!"
But I respect your personal opinion on it of course. :)

Thanks you

I would have thought well if a hugely privileged Duchess is struggling with all the money and fame and help she has, then maybe its ok for me to feel like that. Is what I took from it.

Everyone views things differently I guess and that what makes for these debates.

[jet]

I think most of the GBP see through her abject BS

i mean its not hard to

"im so caring, woe is me"

This devious woman is after one thing


and one thing only

POWER

Two things LT -- POWER and LOADSA MONEY - BILLIONS!

[jet]

Thanks you

I would have thought well if a hugely privileged Duchess is struggling with all the money and fame and help she has, then maybe its ok for me to feel like that. Is what I took from it.

Everyone views things differently I guess and that what makes for these debates.

Exactly! Thanks for debating civilly with me, its a nice change! :hee: :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Exactly! Thanks for debating civilly with me, its a nice change! :hee: :love:

Annie is always a respectful member and a great debator
(even is she is often wrong:joker:)

:love:

[Ammi]

...it might be how you ‘debate’ and speak to (some..)..people as well, Jet...yesterday I felt quite targeted and tag teamed in your references to me with another member/making comments as if I wasn’t there ...and you questioning me of my thoughts on you on a personal level...and giving your personal thoughts about me without being asked, which is obviously not a ‘forum debate’ thing...it’s good to look inward as well, I feel...

[jet]

...it might be how you ‘debate’ and speak to (some..)..people as well, Jet...yesterday I felt quite targeted and tag teamed in your references to me with another member...and you questioning me of my thoughts on you on a personal level...and giving your personal thoughts about me without being asked, which is obviously not a ‘forum debate’ thing...it’s good to look inward as well, I feel...

I am never disrespectful to anyone for no reason, never...sometimes I get pushed too far, I am supposed to take it over and over and be a little mouse eh?
Things got to me yesterday and got out of hand.
I apologize sincerely if I upset you.

I would have preferred it if you had PM'ed me privately though, Josy asked us to keep personal stuff of this thread.

[Ammi]

I am never disrespectful to anyone for no reason, never...sometimes I get pushed too far, I am supposed to take it over and over and be a little mouse eh?
Things got to me yesterday and got out of hand.
I apologize sincerely if I upset you.

I would have preferred it if you had PM'ed me privately though, Josy asked us to keep personal stuff of this thread.

...but you were, though, disrespectful and personally insulting when I hadn’t been and wouldn’t ever have been... so any reference to ‘pushing’ or being pushed too far has no bearing to my part in any discussion...and to in any way excuse unpleasant personal behaviour toward me...

[jet]

...but you were, though, disrespectful and personally insulting when I hadn’t been and wouldn’t ever have been... so any reference to ‘pushing’ or being pushed too far has no bearing to my part in any discussion...and to in any way excuse unpleasant personal behaviour toward me...

I've apologized, and you aren't going to accept it.
So....I felt personally insulted by you when I felt you were condoning the name calling directed towards me by others in response to my conversation with you. I feel you can be quite sly in your responses.
I get insulted a lot for having opinions opposite to what many people want, and hounded by a few continually with sarky comments... I considered you a friend then you completely ignored me and never show any support at all. You can't take any criticism Ammi. You are not above it.

[joeysteele]

I've apologized, and you aren't going to accept it.
So....I felt personally insulted by you when I felt you were condoning the name calling directed towards me by others in response to my conversation with you. I feel you can be quite sly in your responses.
I get insulted a lot for having opinions opposite to what many people want, and hounded by a few continually with sarky comments... I considered you a friend then you completely ignored me and never show any support at all. You can't take any criticism Ammi. You are not above it.

At the risk of me getting into bother, I'm not bothered on that anymore actually.

You are out of order completely towards Ammi there.
Really so too.

Before you say it's nothing to do with me either, it is.
Ammi is one of, if not THE nicest people on this forum.
She never insults.
It seems to me you're avoiding admitting you did upset her.

Sorry to the mods and to you Josy, I'm not bothered about me anymore but I can't sit back and see Ammi got at.
No way,my apologies again.

[jet]

At the risk of me getting into bother, I'm not bothered on that anymore actually.

You are out of order completely towards Ammi there.
Really so too.

Before you say it's nothing to do with me either, it is.
Ammi is one of, if not THE nicest people on this forum.
She never insults.
It seems to me you're avoiding admitting you did upset her.

Sorry to the mods and to you Josy, I'm not bothered about me anymore but I can't sit back and see Ammi got at.
No way,my apologies again.

I felt insulted though, but what do I matter when Ammi is the angel from heaven.
I apologized however and admitted things had gotten to me, but that wasn't accepted. :shrug:

[Ammi]

...this is the last post I’ll make in reference to this ...


...you didn’t apologise for any of your hostile and attacking behaviour, you only apologised if I felt upset by it...you asked me to give a personal opinion of you, which I obviously wasn’t going to do, it had no relevance at all...I hadn’t laid anything negative at you...by refusing to give that personal opinion, you attached ‘condoning’ to it, your ownership for that only and the discussing of me on a personal level and giving your personal opinion of me, when I absolutely didn’t ask for it...and you’re continuing to give your personal opinion and yet maintain you always speak with respect and infer that others don’t...as I say, looking inwardly is always a good thing...this is not the first time that I’ve asked about your hostility toward me so am quite surprised that that’s how you would be with someone you considered a friend...
It’s isn’t something I would attach to friendships...

[Ammi]

At the risk of me getting into bother, I'm not bothered on that anymore actually.

You are out of order completely towards Ammi there.
Really so too.

Before you say it's nothing to do with me either, it is.
Ammi is one of, if not THE nicest people on this forum.
She never insults.
It seems to me you're avoiding admitting you did upset her.

Sorry to the mods and to you Josy, I'm not bothered about me anymore but I can't sit back and see Ammi got at.
No way,my apologies again.


...I appreciate you so much, Joey...:love:...but I’d rather draw that line now, if that’s okay...and no one speak for me because there isn’t anything else to say that would serve any positive purpose...thank you....

[Marsh.]

The thread always ends up in Jet victimising himself, then Sheriff comes in spouting the same sh*t. So dull.

[Marsh.]

At the risk of me getting into bother, I'm not bothered on that anymore actually.

You are out of order completely towards Ammi there.
Really so too.

Before you say it's nothing to do with me either, it is.
Ammi is one of, if not THE nicest people on this forum.
She never insults.
It seems to me you're avoiding admitting you did upset her.

Sorry to the mods and to you Josy, I'm not bothered about me anymore but I can't sit back and see Ammi got at.
No way,my apologies again.

Well. ****ing. Said. Joey.

The audacity.

[Beso]

I've apologized, and you aren't going to accept it.
So....I felt personally insulted by you when I felt you were condoning the name calling directed towards me by others in response to my conversation with you. I feel you can be quite sly in your responses.
I get insulted a lot for having opinions opposite to what many people want, and hounded by a few continually with sarky comments... I considered you a friend then you completely ignored me and never show any support at all. You can't take any criticism Ammi. You are not above it.



I have to agree with this.

The feeling I get is that ammi is above comment by other members..yet she has a lot to say in an indirect way on other peoples comments on other members.

Always the first to offer condolences and best wishes though, so I can forgive her for that.


Discussing members is allowed these days yeah?