Harry & Meghan set for Oprah interview

[Vicky.]

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'I didnt know much about him...'

Being 'debunked' by a picture of her outside Buckingham palace as a teen...
And her doing a blog post on kate once.

Well. If this is the extent of it..I am not understanding the anger! :laugh:

But thanks..this at least made me see where some are coming from..


Will also lookup other things jet said tonight ( :

[jet]

But you claim to have evidence :hee:

Where was that? :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

We've already been through this, doing an interview to clear things up and get your side of the story across is not the same as doing a Kardashian show where camera's have access to your home and life 24/7 like a endless reality show.

I don't understand why that's so difficult to grasp , they can't disappear from the face of the earth therefore they are taking back a bit of control for the sake of their mental health and their son especially now with another baby on the way . But no matter what Meghan does tabloids will always write BS about her to fit their narrow minded pathetic agenda.

"they are taking back a bit of control for the sake of their mental health and their son"

really where did you learn this information from and how do you know its true?

[Crimson Dynamo]

'I didnt know much about him...'

( :

and you believe her?

[bots]

people don't like unearned success and privilege, doesn't matter who it is. They like it even less when the person comes over as superior and thinks they can tell others how they should live their lives. It's not hard to understand

[Vicky.]

and you believe her?

Not sure really. But the 'evidence' that she lied about it..is rather flimsy I think :laugh:

Like, obviously she knew he was a Prince,but its not that much of a stretch to think she didn't know much beyond that.

That said, soooo many Americans seem very obsessed with the royals..seemingly more of them care than we do from what I have seen..have been dragged on facebook by an American friend once as I had said something negative about the Queen and it upset them,..and I was told I should be grateful to have her yadayadayada D:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not sure really. But the 'evidence' that she lied about it..is rather flimsy I think :laugh:

Like, obviously she knew he was a Prince,but its not that much of a stretch to think she didn't know much beyond that.

That said, soooo many Americans seem very obsessed with the royals..seemingly more of them care than we do from what I have seen..have been dragged on facebook by an American friend once as I had said something negative about the Queen and it upset them,..and I was told I should be grateful to have her yadayadayada D:

like she pretended that only the UK has tabloids and an intrusive press..

she is fake af and has more faces than the townhall clock

just my opinion

time will tell..

[joeysteele]

He doesn’t have to prove anything....they are his facts and if people don’t want to believe it then it’s up to them...goading and ridiculing is all they can do in response. We were all having a decent chat on here until certain people join the thread...


EXCEPT they aren't facts.
I haven't seen anyone, take away the people who are maybe pro Meghan.
Even casual ones who can't see anything she's done wrong.
They haven't it would seem seen any facts from any of you who are just on almost every single thing, tearing that woman to shreds as to her integrity and all she says and does.

That's not debate, it's called character assassination.

[joeysteele]

Bull****, that's not how debate works.

I'm telling of what I have seen, heard, read, and researched from long time reliable royal commentators and formed my own opinions. I don't have to prove anything. Anyone is welcome to do their own research and rebut what I post if they don't agree.
Those that like/admire her could do their research for balance and post their findings about her, but they don't.

What you've read in tabloids.
Most of which is exactly what you insulting call my post bull.....

It's why I won't waste my time even attempting to debate with you jet
And I'm very sorry to have to say that.
However I won't, as there's no point whatsoever in doing so in my own personal view.
Sorry.

[GoldHeart]

like she pretended that only the UK has tabloids and an intrusive press..

she is fake af and has more faces than the townhall clock

just my opinion

time will tell..

Bet if Kate said she hardly knew anything about William before, you wouldn't have a problem hmm wonder why .

And why is Meghan lying? , she didn't know Harry personally until they started dating so how is she lying. If this isn't clutching at straws then I don't know what is .

And yes mental health is not a laughing matter , funny how the #bekind only applies to certain people .

I don't envy Harry & Meghan, they get hounded and tormented for every little thing it's tiresome really .

[Crimson Dynamo]

What you've read in tabloids.
Most of which is exactly what you insulting call my post bull.....

It's why I won't waste my time even attempting to debate with you jet
And I'm very sorry to have to say that.
However I won't, as there's no point whatsoever in doing so in my own personal view.
Sorry.

is that the same tabloids the happy couple supply information to?

as they did only on the last week

surely it cant be?

[jet]

What you've read in tabloids.
Most of which is exactly what you insulting call my post bull.....

It's why I won't waste my time even attempting to debate with you jet
And I'm very sorry to have to say that.
However I won't, as there's no point whatsoever in doing so in my own personal view.
Sorry.

I don't go by tabloids to form my views.

[Ammi]

...regardless of debate etc it does have to be proven when saying someone lied
because it’s a character damaging statement that could potentially be viewed as libellous...and open to that being laid...and it’s a good thing that there is protection against that for all of us so that someone would have to prove their words and statements..it’s not giving an opinion or any type of debate or saying ‘in my opinion’ or ‘I think that’ or ‘read that’ or whatever... it’s stating that someone is a liar and actually lied and of course that would always have to be proven because it’s being written as fact in public...

[jet]

like she pretended that only the UK has tabloids and an intrusive press..

she is fake af and has more faces than the townhall clock

just my opinion

time will tell..

I nearly choked when she said that. Unbelievable!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bet if Kate said she hardly knew anything about William before, you wouldn't have a problem hmm wonder why .

And why is Meghan lying? , she didn't know Harry personally until they started dating so how is she lying. If this isn't clutching at straws then I don't know what is .

And yes mental health is not a laughing matter , funny how the #bekind only applies to certain people .

I don't envy Harry & Meghan, they get hounded and tormented for every little thing it's tiresome really .


hopefully this utterly fake 90-minute "promotion" with their "best pal" Oprah will reduce the media focus on them and we/they can finally focus on their philanthropic causes and climate change?

:fc:

[joeysteele]

Bet if Kate said she hardly knew anything about William before, you wouldn't have a problem hmm wonder why .

And why is Meghan lying? , she didn't know Harry personally until they started dating so how is she lying. If this isn't clutching at straws then I don't know what is .

And yes mental health is not a laughing matter , funny how the #bekind only applies to certain people .

I don't envy Harry & Meghan, they get hounded and tormented for every little thing it's tiresome really .

It is tiresome Goldheart.

If it was rational debate and not largely quoting things like Daily Mail articles etc.
It could have some merit backed up by hard substantiated facts not just a formed opinion.

I have many formed opinions, I'd accept could be wrong, I have even had my mind and position changed from others, even on here in rational debate etc:

However, constant character assassination against any individual who hasn't done anything to warrant same.
I've no time for.

It says nothing about the person constantly and relentlessly got at.
While speaking volumes about the ones doing it.

[GoldHeart]

It is tiresome Goldheart.

If it was rational debate and not largely quoting things like Daily Mail articles etc.
It could have some merit backed up by hard substantiated facts not just a formed opinion.

I have many formed opinions, I'd accept could be wrong, I have even had my mind and position changed from others, even on here in rational debate etc:

However, constant character assassination against any individual who hasn't done anything to warrant same.
I've no time for.

It says nothing about the person constantly and relentlessly got at.
While speaking volumes about the ones doing it.

Exactly
I don't even know what this debate is anymore

[AnnieK]

is that the same tabloids the happy couple supply information to?

as they did only on the last week

surely it cant be?

It didn't matter who they gave the picture to in all honesty though does it? You know as well as I do, they could have only given it to Royals Weekly (I know there isn't such a thing but you catch my drift?). The tabloids would have got hold of it and crucified them for not giving it to the British press. By providing it themselves, they have fulfilled their perceived obligation in providing the British public with the news of the pregnancy without a pap shot of Meghan's belly coupled woth speculation.

They said they wanted privacy to live their lives the way they want, releasing what they want. They never asked for media blackout. The press will run with what they want and as we discussed at the beginning of this thread, they don't really care about legal action so there is no way they will ever get all the privacy they crave but they have the right to launch legal action if they believe a line has been crossed

The tabloids chose to run it....they weren't obliged to but they do because they know Meghan and Harry = sales

[jet]

...regardless of debate etc it does have to be proven when saying someone lied
because it’s a character damaging statement that could potentially be viewed as libellous...and open to that been laid...and it’s a good thing that there is protection against that for all of us so that someone would have to prove their words and statement...it’s not giving an opinion or any type of debate or saying ‘in my opinion’ or ‘I think that’ or ‘read that’ or whatever... it’s stating that someone is a liar and actually lied and of course that would always have to be proven because it’s being written as fact in public...

I assume you are referring to a post of mine again. When someone asks why you think someone has told lies, you answer them with what you have heard and read, you don't always have to say 'I read that'..... I think they can work out for themselves that you weren't actually there personally to hear it with your own ears or see something with your own eyes.
You don't have to say 'In my opinion' either, it's obvious, or should be by now on a debate forum.
I think I am safe in the knowledge that I won't be arrested for libel.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It didn't matter who they gave the picture to in all honesty though does it? You know as well as I do, they could have only given it to Royals Weekly (I know there isn't such a thing but you catch my drift?). The tabloids would have got hold of it and crucified them for not giving it to the British press. By providing it themselves, they have fulfilled their perceived obligation in providing the British public with the news of the pregnancy without a pap shot of Meghan's belly coupled woth speculation.

They said they wanted privacy to live their lives the way they want, releasing what they want. They never asked for media blackout. The press will run with what they want and as we discussed at the beginning of this thread, they don't really care about legal action so there is no way they will ever get all the privacy they crave but they have the right to launch legal action if they believe a line has been crossed

The tabloids chose to run it....they weren't obliged to but they do because they know Meghan and Harry = sales

they gave it to PA

with a cloying pic

cake

eat

it

[Ammi]

I assume you are referring to a post of mine again. When someone asks why you think someone has told lies, you answer them with what you have heard and read, you don't always have to say 'I read that'..... I think they can work out for themselves that you weren't actually there personally to hear it with your own ears or see something with your own eyes.
You don't have to say 'In my opinion' either, it's obvious, or should be by now on a debate forum.
I think I am safe in the knowledge that I won't be arrested for libel.

...maybe you will feel safe but that really isn’t any justification for posting any potentially character damaging words...actually, I just googled and with those type of words, even with the presence of ‘my opinion’ or ‘I think’ or etc...it would still be open for libel being laid against...it’s fine that you say that you’re happy because that’s your own choice..but it doesn’t make what anyone else has requested in hoping for proof ...any less correct in expecting and hoping for that proof for those words, however they’re phrased...

[The Slim Reaper]

I've just subscribed to royals weekly :smug:

[Ammi]

I've just subscribed to royals weekly :smug:

...I’m subscribing to Royals Daily and I got a cheaper deal...you was robbed, guvna ...

[The Slim Reaper]

...I’m subscribing to Royals Daily and I got a cheaper deal...you was robbed, guvna ...

You paid? :smug:

[Ammi]

You paid? :smug:

...you mean that you have enough money to know what payment actually is...?...if only...

[Crimson Dynamo]

It didn't matter who they gave the picture to in all honesty though does it? You know as well as I do, they could have only given it to Royals Weekly (I know there isn't such a thing but you catch my drift?). The tabloids would have got hold of it and crucified them for not giving it to the British press. By providing it themselves, they have fulfilled their perceived obligation in providing the British public with the news of the pregnancy without a pap shot of Meghan's belly coupled woth speculation.

They said they wanted privacy to live their lives the way they want, releasing what they want. They never asked for media blackout. The press will run with what they want and as we discussed at the beginning of this thread, they don't really care about legal action so there is no way they will ever get all the privacy they crave but they have the right to launch legal action if they believe a line has been crossed

The tabloids chose to run it....they weren't obliged to but they do because they know Meghan and Harry = sales

so why give a pic taken by a pro?

on valentines day

same day as diana

oh wait..

[joeysteele]

...regardless of debate etc it does have to be proven when saying someone lied
because it’s a character damaging statement that could potentially be viewed as libellous...and open to that being laid...and it’s a good thing that there is protection against that for all of us so that someone would have to prove their words and statements..it’s not giving an opinion or any type of debate or saying ‘in my opinion’ or ‘I think that’ or ‘read that’ or whatever... it’s stating that someone is a liar and actually lied and of course that would always have to be proven because it’s being written as fact in public...

Yes.

Thinking something is different from knowing.
So facts claimed require substantiation.

[The Slim Reaper]

...you mean that you have enough money to know what payment actually is...?...if only...

It's Annie's publication, and I got a freebie. Says a lot that she asked you to pay though. Just sayin'

[AnnieK]

so why give a pic taken by a pro?

on valentines day

same day as diana

oh wait..

The same day as Harry's mum announced her pregnancy with Harry? Pretty cute nod to his mum in my opinion. It's no secret that Harry adored his mum....quite the tribute announcing the pregnancy of his second child the way she did.

I'd rather give a pic taken by a pro than announce it and wait for a long range pap pic when I'm not looking my best. Surely that's common sense?

[Ammi]

It's Annie's publication, and I got a freebie. Says a lot that she asked you to pay though. Just sayin'

...I think that’s probably because I paid my last debt...and the one before...and the one before...and the one before....just saying’...she’s too wise to spend any time or request for what’s never going to happen, that’s our Annie...

[Crimson Dynamo]

The same day as Harry's mum announced her pregnancy with Harry? Pretty cute nod to his mum in my opinion. It's no secret that Harry adored his mum....quite the tribute announcing the pregnancy of his second child the way she did.

I'd rather give a pic taken by a pro than announce it and wait for a long range pap pic when I'm not looking my best. Surely that's common sense?

nah

privacy

[Ammi]

Yes.

...yeah I was surprised about it also still having to be quantified if saying ‘in my opinion’ etc, Joey...rather than a statement of fact....if it’s a negative/character damaging, type thing...and it apparently applies with things like WhatsApp as well and similar...our legal eagle Joey..:laugh:..

[AnnieK]

nah

privacy

Nah? That all you got :tongue:

They are now Celebs not Royals....they have no.protocol to bind them Can you not see that by releasing a picture they have possibly maintained their privacy....we've seen the bump so pap pics are not the hot commodity now.

Now, if you excuse me....I have this week's Royals Weekly to edit....:laugh:

[joeysteele]

...maybe you will feel safe but that really isn’t any justification for posting any potentially character damaging words...actually, I just googled and with those type of words, even with the presence of ‘my opinion’ or ‘I think’ or etc...it would still be open for libel being laid against...it’s fine that you say that you’re happy because that’s your own choice..but it doesn’t make what anyone else has requested in hoping for proof ...any less correct in expecting and hoping for that proof for those words, however they’re phrased...


If you said something and I called you a liar between you and I that's different

If I said nothing to you personally, or in addition to saying you're a liar then I repeat that to others.
That's tantamount to slander.

If I put that you are a liar in print and in public, and have done this or that presenting it as fact.
When you haven't.
Then that would be tantamount to libel.

If I say I think, or possibly or maybe you've lied or done something.
Then I'm not presenting it as a fact.
Which would not be wrong.

Things in tabloids are wrong.
After all the Duchess has just won a case against a tabloid.
Which I further congratulate her on.

The Daily Mail no less, which has often been used as anti Meghan so called facts on here even.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nah? That all you got :tongue:

They are now Celebs not Royals....they have no.protocol to bind them Can you not see that by releasing a picture they have possibly maintained their privacy....we've seen the bump so pap pics are not the hot commodity now.

Now, if you excuse me....I have this week's Royals Weekly to edit....:laugh:

Literally subscribing as I type...:joker:

[Cherie]

We all need Royal Weekly in our lives so we can keep up :laugh:

[Ammi]

If you said something and I called you a liar between you and I that's different

If I said nothing to you personally, or in addition to saying you're a liar then I repeat that to others.
That's tantamount to slander.

If I put that you are a liar in print and in public, and have done this or that presenting it as fact.
When you haven't.
Then that would be tantamount to libel.

If I say I think, or possibly or maybe you've lied or done something.
Then I'm not presenting it as a fact.
Which would not be wrong.

Things in tabloids are wrong.
After all the Duchess has just won a case against a tabloid.
Which I further congratulate her on.

The Daily Mail no less, which has often been used as anti Meghan so called facts on here even.


...which is why it’s on the onus of proof to be given..?...in this internet age especially and so much stuff about celebrities etc, it’s an obvious safeguard and a good thing for that to be the way, I feel...thank you, Joey...:love:...

[AnnieK]

I've sat here tearing my hair out on furlough all these months and could have had a fabulous, high brow publication whizzing out from my kitchen :fist:

This time next year Rodney......

[Ammi]

I've sat here tearing my hair out on furlough all these months and could have had a fabulous, high brow publication whizzing out from my kitchen :fist:

This time next year Rodney......

...Annie’s Royal Podcast...

[joeysteele]

...which is why it’s on the onus of proof to be given..?...in this internet age especially and so much stuff about celebrities etc, it’s an obvious safeguard and a good thing for that to be the way, I feel...thank you, Joey...:love:...

Yes it is.

If anyone's accusing anyone else of lying or doing wrong, yes the onus is on the accuser to present substantiated proof not opinionated presentation.

The anonymity on social media however is really worrying.
Lives can be ruined by it.
By anonymous individuals throwing out accusations with at present, no comeback.

Of course it should be the duty of all social media owners of any setting really.
To set standards of ensuring opinion only, doesn't override production of solid substantiated proof of singular or multiple accusations.

Then again however, look at the gutter actions of the tabloids too.
It's like a pack mentality once someone becomes a target.
As the Duchess of Sussex is to said tabloids.
As well as areas of social media too.
Very sadly.

[jet]

Yes it is.

If anyone's accusing anyone else of lying or doing wrong, yes the onus is on the accuser to present substantiated proof not opinionated presentation.

The anonymity on social media however is really worrying.
Lives can be ruined by it.
By anonymous individuals throwing out accusations with at present, no comeback.

Of course it should be the duty of all social media owners of any setting really.
To set standards of ensuring opinion only, doesn't override production of solid substantiated proof of singular or multiple accusations.

Then again however, look at the gutter actions of the tabloids too.
It's like a pack mentality once someone becomes a target.
As the Duchess of Sussex is to said tabloids.
As well as areas of social media too.
Very sadly.

The items I read were by respected royal commentators, not anonymous individuals. Regarding the law, Meghan could have had comeback if they were lies and she wanted to. She could sue, right?

[AnnieK]

The items I read were by respected royal commentators, not anonymous individuals. Regarding the law, Meghan could have had comeback if they were lies and she wanted to. She could sue, right?

I think Joey is speaking more about the trolls.on social media to be fair Jet....not the articles you have quoted. He is talking more generically about info on the internet

[Tom4784]

He doesn’t have to prove anything....they are his facts and if people don’t want to believe it then it’s up to them...goading and ridiculing is all they can do in response. We were all having a decent chat on here until certain people join the thread...

They are his opinions, facts are facts and if he can't back it up then it's not a fact.

Making at that he is being attacked by people asking him to back up his claims in a debate thread is foolish.

[jet]

They are his opinions, facts are facts and if he can't back it up then it's not a fact.

Making at that he is being attacked by people asking him to back up his claims in a debate thread is foolish.

Correct, they are my opinions gleaned from reading respected royal commentators and experts views or what they have reported as fact. I am under no obligation to go back and spend time finding articles which I could have already posted or given links to going back over the last year and which people pretend they haven't seen or don't read. People are free to do their own research. Yet never do.

[rusticgal]

We all need Royal Weekly in our lives so we can keep up :laugh:


We have Jet :dance:

[Glenn.]

Correct, they are my opinions gleaned from reading respected royal commentators and experts views or what they have reported as fact. I am under no obligation to go back and spend time finding articles which I could have already posted or given links to going back over the last year and which people pretend they haven't seen or don't read. People are free to do their own research. Yet never do.

You can’t because they’re daily Mail articles

[thesheriff443]

If you want lay down at Meghan and Harry’s feet and shower them with affection and hold them in god like regards that’s fine

If people want to see them as a pair of preaching hypocrites interested in their own gain while claiming to be healing the world that’s also fine.

Every one is entitled to their own opinions without the need to know them on a personal level.

There is a clear devide when it comes to Meghan and Harry and no one is going to change their minds

[joeysteele]

I think Joey is speaking more about the trolls.on social media to be fair Jet....not the articles you have quoted. He is talking more generically about info on the internet

Yes I was Annie, thank you.

I thought that was pretty clear.
Hence it being under my paragraph on social media with anonymous individuals throwing out accusations.

I'm not aware of anonymous individuals writing articles in tabloids.
Then again, I never read the gutter trash tabloids anyway so wouldn't know.
Although I'm sure even the tabloids would want to have the identity of anyone they used accusations from, even if they didn't reveal same for a time.

[rusticgal]

If you want lay down at Meghan and Harry’s feet and shower them with affection and hold them in god like regards that’s fine

If people want to see them as a pair of preaching hypocrites interested in their own gain while claiming to be healing the world that’s also fine.

Every one is entitled to their own opinions without the need to know them on a personal level.

There is a clear devide when it comes to Meghan and Harry and no one is going to change their minds


:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[jet]

If you want lay down at Meghan and Harry’s feet and shower them with affection and hold them in god like regards that’s fine

If people want to see them as a pair of preaching hypocrites interested in their own gain while claiming to be healing the world that’s also fine.

Every one is entitled to their own opinions without the need to know them on a personal level.

There is a clear devide when it comes to Meghan and Harry and no one is going to change their minds

:clap1::clap1::clap1: :wavey:

[jet]

The same day as Harry's mum announced her pregnancy with Harry? Pretty cute nod to his mum in my opinion. It's no secret that Harry adored his mum....quite the tribute announcing the pregnancy of his second child the way she did.

I'd rather give a pic taken by a pro than announce it and wait for a long range pap pic when I'm not looking my best. Surely that's common sense?

I READ that the Palace announced the pregnancy of Harry on the 13th Feb, the papers couldn't announce it until the next day, the 14th.

[joeysteele]

They are his opinions, facts are facts and if he can't back it up then it's not a fact.

Making at that he is being attacked by people asking him to back up his claims in a debate thread is foolish.


... and that's exactly the point.

No one is expecting anyone to like them or dislike them.

I haven't seen a single thing said as to her doing wrong, being wrong or lying that has been substantiated.

So there's no real substantiated facts only whatever side of opinion there is on Meghan Markle and to a degree Prince Harry too.

However there's no way through that on closed thinking towards them.
To accuse someone of lying, you need to prove clearly they are.

Others have commented and said they see no evidence of her lying either.
Nor what wrong she's doing in fact.

I repeat those not accusing her of anything have nothing to have to prove.
Those who have accused her of lying, well they do, and have not.
They have not because they cannot.

I'm indifferent to them, Prince Harry and his Duchess are never going to impact on my life.
However, it's for them to choose their life and how they wish to conduct it.

As for the criticising of them for not being shut away in private, not seen or heard.
Well it seems that would leave a void in the lives of some UK citizens, who would be left with much less to talk about.

[Tom4784]

I'm just gonna keep saying it in these threads. Spend less time at being mad at Meghan Markle for existing, and focus that hate upon the peadophile prince that is being protected. How about we don't downplay or minimise a peadophile's actions so that we can continue to demonise a woman for everything she does, everything she doesn't do and everything we apparently decide she's responsible for because of reasons. we've invented on the spot.

[GoldHeart]

Do people want Meghan & Harry to be hermits and draw the curtains and never go outside ever again , because that's healthy isn't it :bored: .

[Ammi]

...it’s such a loving and wonderful tribute to Harry’s mother that the announcement of his birth and that of Archie’s sibling-to-be were on the same date, is it 37yrs apart...?...and so sad if the media are indeed somehow trying to take that away from them as well, if that’s how it is ..but I haven’t read that’s the case so I don’t know...and obviously 14th February being Valentine’s Day as well and ../...just all the perfect time to share their joy with the public and as much as they’re able to, to share it with his mother as well...obviously their new child won’t have a birth date anywhere near Harry’s because of the delay in announcing and I would think that be due to her previous miscarriage so a worrying time in early days as well..?....and also protecting Meghan from the sadly inevitable negativity that she’s getting now with certain media ...that was sadly always going to be...but their faces portray nothing but joy ..:lovedup:..so hopefully in their new life, the relentless negative attention is impacting them so much less and they’re feeling more control in their lives...and I think for their own family and well being of, their decisions have been the right ones...

[jet]

Do people want Meghan & Harry to be hermits and draw the curtains and never go outside ever again , because that's healthy isn't it :bored: .

Of course not. If they stopped preaching and lecturing and being such hypocrites they would be liked more, I feel.

[Cherie]

Of course not. If they stopped preaching and lecturing and being such hypocrites they would be liked more, I feel.

They were super popular, they could be again and now they have a host of new fans that never knew they existed a year ago, the world's their oyster :dance:
(if they tone down the preachy)

[jet]

They were super popular, they could be again and now they have a host of new fans that never knew they existed a year ago, the world's their oyster :dance:
(if they tone down the preachy)

I agree. :thumbs:

[Tom4784]

If it was me, I wouldn't particularly care about earning back the 'popularity' from people who hate me for existing more than a peadophile being shielded from justice.

[Glenn.]

If it was me, I wouldn't particularly care about earning back the 'popularity' from people who hate me for existing more than a peadophile being shielded from justice.

I know right.

They’re already immensely popular anyway.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think |it was Dan Wooton (now of GB News) called the pair professional victims and id imagine this will be the narrative with the fake interview.

[DouglasS]

I know right.

They’re already immensely popular anyway.

Popular :skull:

They’re basically controversial figures, when you ask the public they are split. Popular is being largely liked - aka William and Kate

[Alf]

There's more to all this than meets the eye.

I found it all very strange that Harry would up sticks and leave his family and duties.

I get the feeling that there's something we're not being told.

And when President Trump told Harry to, and I paraphrase "Be careful"

I said "hello! what's going on here then?"

[rusticgal]

There's more to all this than meets the eye.

I found it all very strange that Harry would up sticks and leave his family and duties.

I get the feeling that there's something we're not being told.

And when President Trump told Harry to, and I paraphrase "Be careful"

I said "hello! what's going on here then?"


I think he wished him 'good luck' :hehe:

[rusticgal]

Popular :skull:

They’re basically controversial figures, when you ask the public they are split. Popular is being largely liked - aka William and Kate


I dont know whether they are popular in the States....but their popularity here has dropped massively over the last year.

[Glenn.]

They’re only controversial to people who unnecessarily hate them...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dont know whether they are popular in the States....but their popularity here has dropped massively over the last year.

from what i can see they are not popular in the states either and this interview could really backfire

[Tom4784]

Dan Wootton is an abuser, not the best person to reference in terms of justifying hatred for Meghan, especially when people are ignoring Andrew to focus on her...

[bots]

americans loved Diana, so I am sure much of that love was passed on to Harry. People already knew Meghan from her minor tv role, so they will already have opinions on her good and bad, formed long before she met Harry

[Alf]

They’re only controversial to people who unnecessarily hate them...A bit like Trump then?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dan has joined Mailonline as well as the much anticipated GB NEWS

cant wait to read his articles after the interview :amazed:

[jet]

I think |it was Dan Wooton (now of GB News) called the pair professional victims and id imagine this will be the narrative with the fake interview.

Probably. Meghan fighting back tears and and Oprah gazing at her with sad eyes and nodding along sympathetically.

[Tom4784]

A literal royal peadophile goes unpunished but god forbid someone who stepped away from royal duties does an interview with Oprah.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A literal royal peadophile goes unpunished but god forbid someone who stepped away from royal duties does an interview with Oprah.

this thread is about meghan and harry

its nothing to do with prince andrew

[jet]

She wouldn’t have an interview with Oprah if she was just plain old Meghan Markle. She has never had any real appeal on her own merit, just another Hollywood wannabee who tried to make it big as an actress but a part in a cable tv show was as far as she got by the time she hit mid - thirties.
Harry is a blood prince but his forte and strength was always the army and all things associated with it, he isn’t qualified or experienced in anything else. His big appeal was his fun loving personality which is now gone.

This over privileged pair need to tone down their self - importance and arrogance and quietly get on with doing some actual worthwhile work which isn’t just about money grabbing or educating the peasants with their woke lectures. Respect and goodwill have to be earned as public figures, not expected as a god - given right.

[Tom4784]

If only the media and the followers of their hate aimed that hate towards Andrew...

[Cherie]

I recall making a thread and Andrews interview with Emily Maitliss, it got about 5 replies, might try and find it to see who was actually interested in Andrew then

[Glenn.]

A bit like Trump then?

Trump separated families and locked children in literal cages so id hazard a guess that any hatred aimed at him is deserved.

[Beso]

I recall making a thread and Andrews interview with Emily Maitliss, it got about 5 replies, might try and find it to see who was actually interested in Andrew then

Have you found it yet?

[GoldHeart]

Trump separated families and locked children in literal cages so id hazard a guess that any hatred aimed at him is deserved.

And that's just a few of the horrendous things he did , not to mention the million other atrocities.

[joeysteele]

I agree with Dezzy re Prince Andrew however, I haven't made much on that because there's a case ongoing in that and he may yet be forced to give a further account of everything he knows.

It's then I'll perhaps have more to say of my own opinion on that.
He does seem to be being protected however.

As to Meghan Markle now we've moved on to if she wasn't with Harry, Oprah wouldn't want her on her show.

Oh come on for goodness sake.
Talk about clutching at straws now.

No substantiated evidence of her wrongdoing.
No substantiated evidence either of her lying.

How many people would never have got interviewed on a show who was just ordinary.
Who had no celebrity status or upped their status.

Of course Meghan Markle is a draw in part due to her now connection to Prince Harry.
There's nothing wrong at all in giving interviews if she WANTS to.
It's clear too, Prince Harry supports her too.

I wonder what he'd really like to say to those who are poking around, looking for near all she says and does just to criticise her for it.

Those who also seem to think they know what she'll say and how she'll act in an interview not yet taken place.

Talk about pre-judgement.
Yet this comes from adults too.
Unbelievable, in my personal view.

[jet]

Dan has joined Mailonline as well as the much anticipated GB NEWS

cant wait to read his articles after the interview :amazed:

Is he the guy who used to be a straight - talking guest on Bit On The Side?
I'm going to start reading other articles and referring to them besides Royal reporters now, few appreciate proper research, its quite liberating! :dance:
I already love Piers articles!

[Glenn.]

I agree with Dezzy re Prince Andrew however, I haven't made much on that because there's a case ongoing in that and he may yet be forced to give a further account of everything he knows.

It's then I'll perhaps have more to say of my own opinion on that.
He does seem to be being protected however.

As to Meghan Markle now we've moved on to if she wasn't with Harry, Oprah wouldn't want her on her show.

Oh come on for goodness sake.
Talk about clutching at straws now.

No substantiated evidence of her wrongdoing.
No substantiated evidence either of her lying.

How many people would never have got interviewed on a show who was just ordinary.
Who had no celebrity status or upped their status.

Of course Meghan Markle is a draw in part due to her now connection to Prince Harry.
There's nothing wrong at all in giving interviews if she WANTS to.
It's clear too, Prince Harry supports her too.

I wonder what he'd really like to say to those who are poking around, looking for near all she says and does just to criticise her for it.

Those who also seem to think they know what she'll say and how she'll act in an interview not yet taken place.

Talk about pre-judgement.
Yet this comes from adults too.
Unbelievable, in my personal view.

It’s the pre judgement and the assumptions that have been made that are laughable. All done by people that don’t know her.

[joeysteele]

Trump separated families and locked children in literal cages so id hazard a guess that any hatred aimed at him is deserved.

It's beyond belief to see such a comparison Glenn.
It's amazing that point and horrendous act by him gets overlooked.

Yet constant criticism of the Duchess of Sussex is played out like a sick game.
Rather than condemn the sick actions in power of a political near madman.

[Beso]

And that's just a few of the horrendous things he did , not to mention the million other atrocities.

Oh come on..

:joker:

That's ridiculous to say, atrocities, for real:shrug:

With Myanmar and the likes going on..

Your calling atrocities on a president that's used his power to reach out to enemies for peace n stability

[rusticgal]

If only the media and the followers of their hate aimed that hate towards Andrew...



Whilst the case is being investigated...and since his awful interview...Andrew has been kept away from the media. Until he re-emerges or the case comes back in the spotlight..then there is nothing to discuss at the moment.

Whilst Megan and Harry keep putting themselves out to the media...they will continue to attract debate...both good and bad.

[jet]

I wonder why Harry is only coming out near the end of the interview as has been reported?

[Beso]

I wonder why Harry is only coming out near the end of the interview as has been reported?

Maybe he has reasons to stay out the limelight like his favourite uncle.:shrug:

[Glenn.]

I’m sure Meghan absolutely demanded to be spotlight and made poor Harry sit on the sidelines.

[GoldHeart]

Oh come on..

:joker:

That's ridiculous to say, atrocities, for real:shrug:

With Myanmar and the likes going on..

Your calling atrocities on a president that's used his power to reach out to enemies for peace n stability

His behaviour in the election alone was disturbing and don't pretend he didn't incite violence with the capitol attack .

alot of republicans were embarrassed
Even Pence must of been red faced . Not to mention other people who were thinking WTF is wrong with this man .

There's throwing a tantrum like a child and then there's this ,and should of faced the consequences but Trump being Trump gets away with everything .

[Crimson Dynamo]

I’m sure Meghan absolutely demanded to be spotlight and made poor Harry sit on the sidelines.

undoubtedly

[Beso]

He spoke like any other us president would have by simply using national rehtoric language.and was not found in impeachment.:shrug:

So keep pretending.

[Glenn.]

Let’s get back on topic please and stop talking about that orange little man

[Beso]

Topic is..meghan and harry do an oprah interview.

Please..fgs glenn

Let us deviate a little.Just for a bit...I beg ya.

[Tom4784]

I recall making a thread and Andrews interview with Emily Maitliss, it got about 5 replies, might try and find it to see who was actually interested in Andrew then

What a silly thing to say and do.

How can you possibly hope to gleam interest by just looking at a thread that could have slipped under the radar, or was buried by more active threads at time? You're basically saying that unless a person posts in a certain thread, at a certain time, then they can never take an interest or a stance in the subject matter, a foolish argument to make.

Instead of always trying to invalidate opinions through lazy and ilogical methods, you should actually just try to argue against what they are saying, It's not that hard.

[Tom4784]

Whilst the case is being investigated...and since his awful interview...Andrew has been kept away from the media. Until he re-emerges or the case comes back in the spotlight..then there is nothing to discuss at the moment.

Whilst Megan and Harry keep putting themselves out to the media...they will continue to attract debate...both good and bad.

Nah, I don't think peadophiles being out of sight and out of mind is a good thing, and there's a lot more to discuss about the Royal family and the government protecting a peadophile when compared with analysing every breath Meghan takes to come up with a new way of of how she's going to bring about the end of reality.

There's 'nothing happening' because people are too easily distracted, the outrage towards Andrew should be neverending, he is a child rapist for god's sake but people keep trying to move the discussion towards a couple who decided to peace out on being royals. It's easy to cover up what he's done when people are more concerned with hating a woman who simply married into a family.

[Josy]

Stick to the topic in here instead of constantly making it about other members

[rusticgal]

Nah, I don't think peadophiles being out of sight and out of mind is a good thing, and there's a lot more to discuss about the Royal family and the government protecting a peadophile when compared with analysing every breath Meghan takes to come up with a new way of of how she's going to bring about the end of reality.

There's 'nothing happening' because people are too easily distracted, the outrage towards Andrew should be neverending, he is a child rapist for god's sake but people keep trying to move the discussion towards a couple who decided to peace out on being royals. It's easy to cover up what he's done when people are more concerned with hating a woman who simply married into a family.


Why would paedophiles be out of sight and out of mind :shrug:...a stupid thing to say. Andrew will get what’s coming to him...but this thread isn’t about him.

[rusticgal]

I wonder why Harry is only coming out near the end of the interview as has been reported?



It’s not about him....it’s all about me me me Meghan...:laugh:

[jet]

It’s not about him....it’s all about me me me Meghan...:laugh:

She likes to make Harry feel useful though, she lets him carry her handbag. :hehe:

[jet]

Reading Samantha Markles book ‘Diary of Princess Pushy’s sister’ Part 1 (what a title!). :hee:
Sam comes across as uncompromisingly honest (about her own failings too) and very warm and courageous. A lot about her own life, living with MS, less about Meghan really, who she appears to have adored as a little girl.

Some snippets:
At Meghans first wedding to Trevor, the guests all received cannabis goody bags.
Her Dad and Samantha and other family were invited to her first wedding but instead of the early expected invitations to her wedding to Harry they were all frozen out.
Meghan didn’t want her Dad at the wedding, even though he was invited.
Doria was ‘playing away’ (she hints it was with women) and Sam found compromising photos in her dressing table drawer.
Meghan was spoiled rotten, was given the best of everything and grew into a bit of a brat.
Once she got on Suits, she didn’t return any of Sam’s calls.

Nothing earth shattering, not a literary masterpiece by any means, but surprisingly enjoyable. It’s a best seller on Amazon. 4 stars in reviews.

There will be a Part 2 - more about Meghan then I think.

[rusticgal]

Poor Harry....seriously he really just seems to be in the shadows...

[Tom4784]

Why would paedophiles be out of sight and out of mind :shrug:...a stupid thing to say. Andrew will get what’s coming to him...but this thread isn’t about him.

Read what I said properly before saying it's stupid because you've completely misunderstood what I've said. People seem content with him just being gone from the public eye, while I don't think that's right. Every day he isn't in custody is a day that the system fails his victims, if people have enough time to hate Meghan for breathing, they damn well have enough time to keep the conversation and awareness going for Andrew's crimes.

He won't get what's coming to him because people would rather be mad about Meghan living her life than a peadophile escaping justice. We should be hearing every day about how a known predator is not in custody but instead we hear about Meghan doing something perfectly normal and that she's the spawn of Satan for doing so. It's easy to cover up Andrew's horrific crimes when you've got the public's attention on a hate figure instead.

The thread is about royals, I'm bringing up a valid point in that people will hate Meghan more than an actual peadophile royal and that the hatred she gets is just dumb and OTT and I've yet to see a counter argument against what I'm saying.

[Tom4784]

Any sensible person would look at Samantha Markle's book and by highly sceptical of it's reliability. After all, she's a woman who, like her father, tried to profit from her sister's marriage and then spent months trashing her in the press for paycheques. She basically played the role of an Ugly Stepsister from Cinderella in real life yet people will ignore that just because she tells them what they want to hear and will charge them for the price of two books while she's at it.

I can't really blame her for doing so when parts of the public are willing to throw their money away just to have their confirmation bias tickled a bit.

[GoldHeart]

It's so easy to rinse people who have confirmation bias, it seems

Any sensible person would look at Samantha Markle's book and by highly sceptical of it's reliability. After all, she's a woman who, like her father, tried to profit from her sister's marriage and then spent months trashing her in the press for paycheques. She basically played the role of an Ugly Stepsister from Cinderella in real life yet people will ignore that just because she tells them what they want to hear and will charge them for the price of two books while she's at it.

I can't really blame her for doing so when these people are willing to throw their money away on such ****.

I'm surprised Samantha didn't go in the Big brother house , she would of loved the extra exposure and any chance to bash Meghan of course :bored: .

[Tom4784]

Her father's side of the family just seem to be repugnant. I couldn't imagine trying to ruin my sister's happiness for a few cheques from the media. I couldn't imagine being a father and trying to profit from trying to make my daughter miserable. They are scum.

[Glenn.]

Any sensible person would look at Samantha Markle's book and by highly sceptical of it's reliability. After all, she's a woman who, like her father, tried to profit from her sister's marriage and then spent months trashing her in the press for paycheques. She basically played the role of an Ugly Stepsister from Cinderella in real life yet people will ignore that just because she tells them what they want to hear and will charge them for the price of two books while she's at it.

I can't really blame her for doing so when parts of the public are willing to throw their money away just to have their confirmation bias tickled a bit.

Literally this. As long as there’s gullible hateful people out there obsessed with trashing her then they will see no issue with her loathsome family making a dime off her name. They haven’t so far. Ironic when you consider Harry and Meghan are bashed for apparently cashing in on their titles.

[jet]

It all stems from Meghan freezing out both her mother Doria's side and her fathers side of the family once she had some fame and was seemingly ashamed of them all. And when she married Harry, Doria was the only member of her side of quite a large family who was invited.
Instead there were many celebrities there who had never even met Meghan and some who had never met Harry either. It was all shallow showboating.

Meghan isn't little Miss Innocent and her extended family all scum. IMO It starts with Meghan being an arrogant, manipulative ruthless snob with a cold heart as she still is to this day.

[Ammi]

...it’s just all terribly, terribly sad and it becomes more and more clear and understandable why Harry and Meghan made the decision that they did, to step down ...this quest to make money from her and from any fragmented family situation...it’s just all been so tacky and so heartless ...but I doubt that it will ever stop while it’s constantly being absorbed, it’ll continue ...it’s good to see some sources/magazines already condemning the book but it won’t be enough with so many tabloids etc printing their little ‘juicy bits’ and using it to hound her further...Meghan will have to endure that and any possible stress throughout her pregnancy, sadly...she never really could do right for doing wrong and so many too readily and eagerly wanting to see wrong so that’s always what will be seen...as a working Royal and part of ‘the firm’ she would never have been allowed to comment, either...any possible comment if allowed would always have been expected to have been written for her because that’s the Royal way, so she would have just had to take whatever negativity and ‘hate’ thrown at her and on and on and on...at least now she’ll feel more control to be able to speak if she chooses on her terms and to be able to actually use her own words...


...I was reading what some court documents have said...and these below in particular stood out for me because she’s obviously pregnant again now...but still it continues and sadly I think, always will...because that’s the nature of negativity and how it grows and widens, like a pebble skimmed in a pond ... it’s just so heartbreaking for her but I fear she’s too valuable to the media and bad feeling against her has too much energy...it is what it is and I doubt will ever end...

“The Claimant had become the subject of a large number of false and damaging articles by the UK tabloid media, specifically by the Defendant, which caused tremendous emotional distress and damage to her mental health. As her friends had never seen her in this state before, they were rightly concerned for her welfare, specifically as she was pregnant, unprotected by the Institution, and prohibited from defending herself.”

[Ammi]

Poor Harry....seriously he really just seems to be in the shadows...

...to be fair though, Rusti...there wasn’t ever any feeling of ‘poor Harry’ when so much of the media and public speculated so openly about his ‘parentage’ for so many years...how he must have felt about that and how damaging for his mental health and just another indication for his difficult media relationship...no consideration that the person that was hurt most in that speculation was poor Harry himself...but now poor Harry because it fits with the focus on Meghan and the dislike of her and it’s always all Meghan’s fault etc so poor Harry...when he’s been subjected to some really awful stuff by so many sources who are now saying poor Harry...

[Cherie]

Reading Samantha Markles book ‘Diary of Princess Pushy’s sister’ Part 1 (what a title!). :hee:
Sam comes across as uncompromisingly honest (about her own failings too) and very warm and courageous. A lot about her own life, living with MS, less about Meghan really, who she appears to have adored as a little girl.

Some snippets:
At Meghans first wedding to Trevor, the guests all received cannabis goody bags.
Her Dad and Samantha and other family were invited to her first wedding but instead of the early expected invitations to her wedding to Harry they were all frozen out.
Meghan didn’t want her Dad at the wedding, even though he was invited.
Doria was ‘playing away’ (she hints it was with women) and Sam found compromising photos in her dressing table drawer.
Meghan was spoiled rotten, was given the best of everything and grew into a bit of a brat.
Once she got on Suits, she didn’t return any of Sam’s calls.

Nothing earth shattering, not a literary masterpiece by any means, but surprisingly enjoyable. It’s a best seller on Amazon. 4 stars in reviews.

There will be a Part 2 - more about Meghan then I think.

Might give it a shot, I am in the need of a trashy read :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Reading Samantha Markles book ‘Diary of Princess Pushy’s sister’ Part 1 (what a title!). :hee:
Sam comes across as uncompromisingly honest (about her own failings too) and very warm and courageous. A lot about her own life, living with MS, less about Meghan really, who she appears to have adored as a little girl.

Some snippets:
At Meghans first wedding to Trevor, the guests all received cannabis goody bags.
Her Dad and Samantha and other family were invited to her first wedding but instead of the early expected invitations to her wedding to Harry they were all frozen out.
Meghan didn’t want her Dad at the wedding, even though he was invited.
Doria was ‘playing away’ (she hints it was with women) and Sam found compromising photos in her dressing table drawer.
Meghan was spoiled rotten, was given the best of everything and grew into a bit of a brat.
Once she got on Suits, she didn’t return any of Sam’s calls.

Nothing earth shattering, not a literary masterpiece by any means, but surprisingly enjoyable. It’s a best seller on Amazon. 4 stars in reviews.

There will be a Part 2 - more about Meghan then I think.

More evidence if more was needed...

[Ammi]

Here's the deal with payment for Meghan and Harry's Oprah interview...




Meghan Markle and Prince Harry got everyone talking earlier this week when it was announced the couple would be giving an interview - the first they've done since stepping down as senior royals - to Oprah Winfrey. CBS will be running the primetime special on 7 March (find out how you can watch it in the UK here) and no doubt viewers will be tuning in in their millions.

The "wide-ranging" interview is set to cover everything from what it was like for Meghan "stepping into life as a royal, marriage, motherhood, philanthropic work to how she is handling life under intense public pressure," according to a statement from CBS. Prince Harry will later join in to share more on the family's move to the United States, and "their future hopes and dreams for their expanding family." It sounds like it'll get pretty deep, so are Meghan and Harry getting paid for speaking to Oprah?

There has been speculation either way, but it seems not. Page Six reports the couple aren't taking a fee for the interview with their friend and neighbour, writing: "A spokeswoman for the Oprah Winfrey Network confirmed that the couple won’t be collecting a paycheck and said that no donations are being made to their charity."


While there were news outlets that would probably have paid millions for this exclusive insight into Meghan and Harry's lives and minds, it seems that's not what it's about. And if that is the case, it's not particularly surprising.


Meghan Markle has long been the target of unwarranted invasion into her life. She faced regular harsh and unnecessary criticism after joining the royal family, and ultimately ended up suing a newspaper (and winning) after they published parts of a private letter written to her father following her May 2018 wedding.

Naysayers might argue that giving an interview goes against Meghan's desire for privacy, but I think it does the exact opposite. It allows her to tell her story in her own words; something she was unable to do in her position as a working member of the British royal family.

For the Sussexes, setting the record straight is clearly important to them, and without sounding too much like the Mastercard advert... that's priceless.


https://uk.yahoo.com/style/heres-deal-payment-meghan-harrys-112300445.html

[joeysteele]

...it’s just all terribly, terribly sad and it becomes more and more clear and understandable why Harry and Meghan made the decision that they did, to step down ...this quest to make money from her and from any fragmented family situation...it’s just all been so tacky and so heartless ...but I doubt that it will ever stop while it’s constantly being absorbed, it’ll continue ...it’s good to see some sources/magazines already condemning the book but it won’t be enough with so many tabloids etc printing their little ‘juicy bits’ and using it to hound her further...Meghan will have to endure that and any possible stress throughout her pregnancy, sadly...she never really could do right for doing wrong and so many too readily and eagerly wanting to see wrong so that’s always what will be seen...as a working Royal and part of ‘the firm’ she would never have been allowed to comment, either...any possible comment if allowed would always have been expected to have been written for her because that’s the Royal way, so she would have just had to take whatever negativity and ‘hate’ thrown at her and on and on and on...at least now she’ll feel more control to be able to speak if she chooses on her terms and to be able to actually use her own words...


...I was reading what some court documents have said...and these below in particular stood out for me because she’s obviously pregnant again now...but still it continues and sadly I think, always will...because that’s the nature of negativity and how it grows and widens, like a pebble skimmed in a pond ... it’s just so heartbreaking for her but I fear she’s too valuable to the media and bad feeling against her has too much energy...it is what it is and I doubt will ever end...

“The Claimant had become the subject of a large number of false and damaging articles by the UK tabloid media, specifically by the Defendant, which caused tremendous emotional distress and damage to her mental health. As her friends had never seen her in this state before, they were rightly concerned for her welfare, specifically as she was pregnant, unprotected by the Institution, and prohibited from defending herself.”

A superb post Ammi as always.
Fair and reasoned.

It's incredible to me anyway that anything at all on Meghan Markle is dug out, analysed and always presented as a negative to her.
Dissecting her past, her present and the only future it seems some of the public would like for her was if she was away in some fortress and never heard of again.

Although they'd need to find a new target then for their total negativity because it's clear from that negativity that this Duchess can never do anything right and also never has to them.

It's why I'll put my points on here and avoid even reading them now as you know what's coming.
I'm sure that will be done with my thoughts too.

I'm not clamouring for handclaps and the feeding of my position.
I just find it sad that adults will call debate, what is nothing more than a from her past, present and likely into her future too, a character assassination and tearing to pieces a woman they don't know, have never met, and who has chosen to live her life a certain way for her, Hur husband and their immediate family.

How people live their lives is down to them, not how others think they should.
We all, myself, we all have flaws,
Unless someone is breaking laws, then to character assassinate on every thing that's been said or read.
Oh boy that's really sad.

It's been asked for substantiated facts, of her lying ,her doing wrong.
Nothing has been forthcoming, just examples of things her critics haven't liked..
As if she has no right to do and say what she wants, that she should be controlled to please those who find her intensely annoying to them, because she doesn't fit the image expected of her.

That's not debate at all, to call it so is a misrepresentation of the word.
In debate, you listen as well as speak.
I have listened to the negative side and still see nothing that's worthy of her being considered a bad person or doing wrong or lying.

In listening, and willing to listen further, it's been asked not for tabloid extracts or those with grudges trying to make money out of those grudges.
It's been asked for solid facts, fully substantiated of her doing wrong and lying.

That hasn't been given, because it cannot be.
Because there's nothing of substance.

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are 2 determined characters and personalities.
Who clearly fell deeply in love with each other.

He was seen as a wayward Prince because he wildly partied etc:
Then he insisted in his military career to be where the danger was, rather than get an easier ride on service.
He had created his own mark on things such as the Invictus games he set into play too.

She, clearly has a strong mind too, is an actress, whether some think she's a good one or bad one is down to personal taste.
She like myself, like Harry , like everyone in fact, will have made misjudgements, wished she'd done some things differently.

Together however they make a formidable and supportive team, for them and their child, soon to be children.
So I applaud their efforts to do that.
Just wishing them well to do so too.

It seems, were she to have stayed in the like straitjacket life of the Royal Family expectancy, and dutifully walked about smiling at Prince Harry's side on all duties and events.
Then she'd be seen as more acceptable.

Yet Harry hasn't wanted that either I would think I only THINK that way because I don't KNOW him personally.
I think he's been the least comfortable of the 2 Brothers with the Royal standard settings that helped destroy his own Mother.
William and Kate are great assets to the Royals, one of the best things about the royals for a long while actually..
They have been able to accept the more straitjacket rules of Royal life.
Prince Harry and Meghan haven't been able to and won't.
So have moved on, not to disappear but live their lives their way still.

That too is good In a way as it shows the Royals are more human with limits as to what they can accept as, let's say duty.

So again, I just wish both well.
I neither like or dislike them.
I like what I've seen of them but I also see no real lying at all or wrong this woman has done to be so relentlessly on every little thing found or read about her.
To be so character assassinated.
It's both mystifying and sad in my own personal view.

It isn't however real or reasoned debate, not in the slightest.

Your last 2 paragraphs are extremely strong.
It will possibly just be passed over on here, however yes, this is what transpires when in my opinion, unhealthy and unnecessary negativity is allowed to just grow and grow, with no substantiated facts behind it.
So thank you for posting those Ammi

[jet]

Might give it a shot, I am in the need of a trashy read :laugh:

:laugh:

On Oprah, I wonder will Meghan present herself as the sweet, humble, quietly spoken woman we thought she was in the engagement interview or the face - pulling, affected, show - bizzy Meghan in that awful cringey chat - show appearance when she was on Suits?
And is Harry being kept to the end so that people don’t get fed up with her and keep watching?

[AnnieK]

More evidence if more was needed...

Yep more evidence that this family will sell their souls for a quick buck.

As with anything like this (including anything Meghan says the the contrary), it is all one-sided anecdotes. I could tell you some toe curling stories about my brother when we were kids but I am sure his recollection and views would be wholly different :shrug:

As Cherie says, this book is just a 'trashy' read, it will fit the anti-Meghan sentiment of some whilst being rubbished by the pro-Meghan side.

Doesn't provide evidence of anything

[jet]

Yep more evidence that this family will sell their souls for a quick buck.

As with anything like this (including anything Meghan says the the contrary), it is all one-sided anecdotes. I could tell you some toe curling stories about my brother when we were kids but I am sure his recollection and views would be wholly different :shrug:

As Cherie says, this book is just a 'trashy' read, it will fit the anti-Meghan sentiment of some whilst being rubbished by the pro-Meghan side.

Doesn't provide evidence of anything

By the same token do you feel the same about the sycophantic bio by Omid Scobie ‘Finding Freebies’ and what M&H will say on Oprah. They could tell us anything, be all one sided or twist things to suit their own narrative, couldn’t they?
That won’t be ‘evidence’ either. It works both ways.

And what do you think of Meghan freezing out her family from both her mothers and fathers sides (and they have spoken of how hurt and humiliated they were, in front of the world, as if they weren’t good enough) and inviting all those celebs she didn’t even know to her wedding?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Might give it a shot, I am in the need of a trashy read :laugh:

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/samantha-markle-book-revelations-from-meghan-tell-all/

here is a taster - if you read this you just think "her poor father" :(

[AnnieK]

By the same token do you feel the same about the sycophantic bio by Omid Scobie ‘Finding Freebies’ and what M&H will say on Oprah. They could tell us anything, be all one sided or twist things to suit their own narrative, couldn’t they?
That won’t be ‘evidence’ either. It works both ways.

And what do you think of Meghan freezing out her family from both her mothers and fathers sides (and they have spoken of how hurt and humiliated they were, in front of the world, as if they weren’t good enough) and inviting all those celebs she didn’t even know to her wedding?

I totally agree about the Meghan book too. There is no way anyone not directly involved from the start will ever know the "truth" 100% as both "sides" will have their own view of it. As I said in the post you have quoted, every family would be the same. I was merely pointing out that these "tell-all" books and interviews only tell one side and not all and therefore do not provide evidence of anything.

With regards to the wedding invitations...again I cannot comment as I don't know the situation. I have spoken before about tensions in my own family that arose after my mother's death and some of my actions from outsiders could seem to have been callous.....but they don't know what went on during a particularly difficult time and its no-ones business. This was no ordinary wedding.....if you had particularly difficult or socially awkward distant relatives, would you want them at an audience with the Queen of England - really? I bloody wouldn't want half my family near my boss let alone the Queen :laugh: Family ties do not always mean you have to include them in your life :shrug:

[jet]

I totally agree about the Meghan book too. There is no way anyone not directly involved from the start will ever know the "truth" 100% as both "sides" will have their own view of it. As I said in the post you have quoted, every family would be the same. I was merely pointing out that these "tell-all" books and interviews only tell one side and not all and therefore do not provide evidence of anything.

With regards to the wedding invitations...again I cannot comment as I don't know the situation. I have spoken before about tensions in my own family that arose after my mother's death and some of my actions from outsiders could seem to have been callous.....but they don't know what went on during a particularly difficult time and its no-ones business. This was no ordinary wedding.....if you had particularly difficult or socially awkward distant relatives, would you want them at an audience with the Queen of England - really? I bloody wouldn't want half my family near my boss let alone the Queen :laugh: Family ties do not always mean you have to include them in your life :shrug:

It's stretching it to speculate that ALL her family; her cousins, uncles, aunts; grandparents still alive -the whole family on her mothers and fathers sides were all not fit to be seen in public in the Queen's presence.
Meghan is estranged from many of her lifelong friends, she'd estranged from her mothers extended family, she's estranged from her fathers extended family, now she and Harry are estranged from most of the Royal family.
There is a very disturbing pattern here. It can't be everyone else's fault, with Meghan as the poor victim. She seems like a very divisive character.

[jet]

This is the most critical review on Amazon:

I wanted to see the other side of this story, and it did tell me a lot I didn't know about Samantha. I had no idea that she had had a moderately successful career in radio, tv and films, and probably got more work than Meghan.
It was interesting to read Samantha 's account of the family dynamics, which certainly portray the Markles as a loving family and Doria in a less kindly light, and I guess we can take the account as truthful because it would be a foolish publisher who would risk the wrath of Meghan 's legal team. However it doesn't say anything about a lot of the questions people have been asking.

The thing that most struck me was that the publishers, who must be expecting to make a shed load of money out of this could have employed an editor to at least do something about the dreadful punctuation. Quite honestly, Samantha is no writer and the text is full of clichés, mostly adorned with quotation marks. In fact she uses a quotation marks at a rate I have never seen elsewhere, and inconsistently at that. OK, I'm not being very kind because after all this woman is not a professional writer, but it becomes very irritating and unless she actually refused the services of an editor, somebody should have insisted on using one. I would have given a higher rating if it had been better written.



The reviewer is right about the punctuation, cliches etc - dreadful! - but I still enjoyed it because Samantha comes across as warm and very straightforward.

[AnnieK]

It's stretching it to speculate that ALL her family; her cousins, uncles, aunts; grandparents on both her mothers and fathers sides were all not fit to be seen in public in the Queen's presence.
Meghan is estranged from many of her lifelong friends, she'd estranged from her mothers extended family, she's estranged from her fathers extended family, now she and Harry are estranged from most of the Royal family.
There is a very disturbing pattern here. It can't be everyone else's fault, with Meghan as the poor victim. She seems like a very divisive character.

Her maternal grandparents are dead, little is known as far a I can see about her paternal grandparents. I know little of what family she does have and so I can't really comment on that. We don't know how close the were. My mother had a massive extended family (he dad was one of 6 who all had kids) but she moved from London to Manchester as a child and so now I would know any of that family if I fell over them and they would not be invited to any celebration of mine - doesn't mean I have shunned them, I just don't know them.

She is no doubt a divisive character, obviously very determined and driven in what she wants (not always a good or bad thing). As I have said, many times, I have little actual interest in her. I like to play devil's advocate as there seems to be really hard lined sides in this and some of the black and white that people lay out are actually more shades of grey in that unless closely connected to both sides, we will NEVER know the whole truth from either side.

[jet]

Her maternal grandparents are dead, little is known as far a I can see about her paternal grandparents. I know little of what family she does have and so I can't really comment on that. We don't know how close the were. My mother had a massive extended family (he dad was one of 6 who all had kids) but she moved from London to Manchester as a child and so now I would know any of that family if I fell over them and they would not be invited to any celebration of mine - doesn't mean I have shunned them, I just don't know them.

She is no doubt a divisive character, obviously very determined and driven in what she wants (not always a good or bad thing). As I have said, many times, I have little actual interest in her. I like to play devil's advocate as there seems to be really hard lined sides in this and some of the black and white that people lay out are actually more shades of grey in that unless closely connected to both sides, we will NEVER know the whole truth from either side.

Samantha states they were a very close family; spent summers at different relatives etc. More often than not, the obvious conclusion is the right one and excuses just seem flimsy - but I agree that there are also shades of grey in there too. :)

[arista]

The Queen has Stripped them of their Royal Positions


Good One


[Duke and Duchess of Sussex tell the Queen
will not return as working members of Royal Family]


https://news.sky.com/story/duke-and-duchess-of-sussex-will-not-return-as-working-members-of-royal-family-12222693

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/21/02/768x432/skynews-prince-harry-meghan_5272897.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210214220218

Yes Bugger off
you non royal



Going on Trash USA TV.

[jet]

https://e3.365dm.com/21/02/768x432/skynews-prince-harry-meghan_5272897.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210214220218

Yes Bugger off
you non royal

:laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

The Queen has Stripped them of their Royal Positions


Good One


[Duke and Duchess of Sussex tell the Queen
will not return as working members of Royal Family]


https://news.sky.com/story/duke-and-duchess-of-sussex-will-not-return-as-working-members-of-royal-family-12222693

Have you read the sky link you provided? It reads a lot differently to the queen stripping them of their royal positions.

[arista]

Have you read the sky ink you provided? It reads a lot differently to the queen stripping them of their royal positions.


Yes it does


Its a great news day
they can bugger off.


Harry and Meghan not returning as working members of Royal Family
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56127673

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you read the sky link you provided? It reads a lot differently to the queen stripping them of their royal positions.

Harry and Meghan ‘to be stripped of royal patronages’ after Oprah interview


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/16/harry-and-meghan-to-be-stripped-of-remaining-royal-patronages-14087927/?ito=cbshare

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes it does


Its a great news day
they can bugger off.

What if I provide an amazon review of the sky article? :laugh:

[jet]

Have you read the sky ink you provided? It reads a lot differently to the queen stripping them of their royal positions.

Old news.
It was reported last week that the Queen was stripping them of their patronages but would do it this way to save Meghan and Harry face. Their decision, rather than the Queen's. We all knew already they wouldn't return (as if Meghan would have the nerve to show her face here permanently!). :laugh:
It's big of the Queen. She loves Harry and wouldn't want to humiliate him.

[arista]

What if I provide an amazon review of the sky article? :laugh:


Nit Picking Slim.

[smudgie]

The Queen has Stripped them of their Royal Positions


Good One


[Duke and Duchess of Sussex tell the Queen
will not return as working members of Royal Family]


https://news.sky.com/story/duke-and-duchess-of-sussex-will-not-return-as-working-members-of-royal-family-12222693

She was told by them that they wouldn’t be returning to any Royal duties so the obvious thing to do is to redistribute them between the other royals.
Hopefully now they can go about their own business as was their plan.
These journalists are pathetic, assuming this and surmising that, when they don’t have a bloody clue.

[joeysteele]

The Queen has Stripped them of their Royal Positions


Good One


[Duke and Duchess of Sussex tell the Queen
will not return as working members of Royal Family]


https://news.sky.com/story/duke-and-duchess-of-sussex-will-not-return-as-working-members-of-royal-family-12222693

Fully expected.

I don't think half in half out could work.
It's like been a possibility over the last year but really not workable.

As they statement says, they remain loved members of the Royal Family.
They are now just no longer active working members of it.

So they now have the full freedom to live how they wish.
In a way they'll feel fell likely more happier and settled too.

Which is important for anyone in their life.

Of course it's sad, however this was inevitable because they've too, not it seems desired the patronages to continue either.

I do feel for the Queen, she must have felt in her twilight years, the Royal working family was in strong shape .
With William and Kate plus their children, which it remains so with them anyway.
Also with Harry and Meghan too.

However, even the Queen cannot command decency and respect from the media and thereby protect her family from gutter trash journalism and intrusion too.

So this was sad but inevitable.
I still just say good luck to Prince Harry and Meghan and I hope they find all they're searching for in their life.
That I'd wish for anyone too.

[The Slim Reaper]

Harry and Meghan ‘to be stripped of royal patronages’ after Oprah interview


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2021/02/16/harry-and-meghan-to-be-stripped-of-remaining-royal-patronages-14087927/?ito=cbshare

Is there audio of the queen saying it? The only way we can trust biased news sources, remember? :smug:

[rusticgal]

Literally this. As long as there’s gullible hateful people out there obsessed with trashing her then they will see no issue with her loathsome family making a dime off her name. They haven’t so far. Ironic when you consider Harry and Meghan are bashed for apparently cashing in on their titles.



So its ok for you to trash Samantha Markle...are you basing your judgement on what you have read or do you know her personally?

[Glenn.]

Maybe people will leave them alone now they have no weird ownership of them.

[Glenn.]

So its ok for you to trash Samantha Markle...are you basing your judgement on what you have read or do you know her personally?

She sold umpteen stories about Meghan to cash in on her as did her father. Of all the things Meghan has supposedly done nothing is as scummy as that.

[jet]

Is there audio of the queen saying it? The only way we can trust biased news sources, remember? :smug:

It was in many online papers last week? Did you miss it that the Queen was about to strip them of their patronages but giving them a last chance to return if they wanted? Royal reporters don't just make up stuff - they have sources.

[rusticgal]

I'm surprised Samantha didn't go in the Big brother house , she would of loved the extra exposure and any chance to bash Meghan of course :bored: .


I think its a bit rich to judge Samantha on wanting exposure considering the amount of exposure Meghan desperately seeks....its obviously a Markle trait and runs in the family.

[Crimson Dynamo]

just to clarify :)

1361217422783623170

[arista]

Maybe people will leave them alone now they have no weird ownership of them.


No they will go in 10 times
harder

[Glenn.]

No they will go in 10 times
harder

For once I actually agree with you arista. Some miserable people just aren’t happy unless they’re pulling happy people apart.

[LukeB]

Piers Morgan calling Meghan and Harry hypocrites

Also Piers Morgan: slams people for breaking rules then goes on holiday during Christmas when it wasn’t allowed.

Says it’s all for those using piers has gospel really

[Elliot]

I don’t think anyone on either side of any debate on anything cares about piers Morgan’s opinion lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don’t think anyone on either side of any debate on anything cares about piers Morgan’s opinion lol

He is one of the most popular people on TV so of course millions do

:laugh:

[Cherie]

‘Service is universal’

Ouch :laugh:

[LukeB]

I don’t think anyone on either side of any debate on anything cares about piers Morgan’s opinion lol

That is true

People only care about him when he’s slating Meghan though and they enjoy the constant bullying and obsessive behaviour.

[Cherie]

Piers Morgan calling Meghan and Harry hypocrites

Also Piers Morgan: slams people for breaking rules then goes on holiday during Christmas when it wasn’t allowed.

Says it’s all for those using piers has gospel really

Whilst I found him hypocritcal lecturing other about how to spend Christmas, while he swanned off, technically he didn’t break rules as lockdown was not in force

[LukeB]

Whilst I found him hypocritcal lecturing other about how to spend Christmas, while he swanned off, technically he didn’t break rules as lockdown was not in force

Pretty sure he was on tier 4 which is basically lockdown for his area and non essential travel was against the rules.

But still a hypocrite can’t preach about others being hypocrites really.

[Vanessa]

They say they want privacy, but then they do things like this? :shrug:
I quite like Harry actually, but I'm not that keen on Megan.

[joeysteele]

Public service is universal.
It's not confined to Royal duties.

It could be argued possibly some are noted for strong public service only because they've done Royal duties.

The causes all that Prince Harry and Meghan believe in and care about, they can still act for in their personal lives.

As any of us do, when we are involved actively with charities or care.
Or involved in causes to fight for.
Surely we are doing a public service then too.

So yes, public service is universal not confined to the Royal family and Royal duties.
It's a part of public service yes, however not the only means of it at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eufqyq8XYAQtYeO.jpg

[Vanessa]

As long as they're happy, I don't really mind either way.
But I hope Harry comes back to visit his family sometimes.

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eufqyq8XYAQtYeO.jpg

:joker:

[rusticgal]

...to be fair though, Rusti...there wasn’t ever any feeling of ‘poor Harry’ when so much of the media and public speculated so openly about his ‘parentage’ for so many years...how he must have felt about that and how damaging for his mental health and just another indication for his difficult media relationship...no consideration that the person that was hurt most in that speculation was poor Harry himself...but now poor Harry because it fits with the focus on Meghan and the dislike of her and it’s always all Meghan’s fault etc so poor Harry...when he’s been subjected to some really awful stuff by so many sources who are now saying poor Harry...


At the end of the day they obviously make these decisions together. However. Meghan is a very strong determined woman and seems oblivious to the fact that Harry is starting to look like a her lap dog....she leads the way and he just adds his bit. Maybe he likes it...but this is someone who was happy go lucky but also strong willed...someone who insisted on fighting on the front line..etc.
Now he is just looking like a hen pecked husband....'poor Harry' was tongue-in-cheek....I wasnt feeling sorry for him... He has made his choice.

[rusticgal]

She sold umpteen stories about Meghan to cash in on her as did her father. Of all the things Meghan has supposedly done nothing is as scummy as that.


...like Meghan is cashing in on her Royal connections...all cut from the same cloth then...

[Glenn.]

...like Meghan is cashing in on her Royal connections...all cut from the same cloth then...

If you think that’s the same as a supposedly loving father who gave his daughter everything and a jealous sister selling stories then I think we’ll stop there. It’s definitely not the same but you know that.

[rusticgal]

If you think that’s the same as a supposedly loving father who gave his daughter everything and a jealous sister selling stories then I think we’ll stop there. It’s definitely not the same but you know that.

None of us know what has happened...why shouldnt people be allowed to sell their story and their version of events. Meghans out there doing just the same thing...using a Documentry to talk about 'poor me'....now shes talking to Oprah to tell her story for a fee...(oh yes its going to charity because she can afford for it to go to charity)....but shes still 'telling her story'. Like I said she is no different...no different at all.

[Tom4784]

It all stems from Meghan freezing out both her mother Doria's side and her fathers side of the family once she had some fame and was seemingly ashamed of them all. And when she married Harry, Doria was the only member of her side of quite a large family who was invited.
Instead there were many celebrities there who had never even met Meghan and some who had never met Harry either. It was all shallow showboating.

Meghan isn't little Miss Innocent and her extended family all scum. IMO It starts with Meghan being an arrogant, manipulative ruthless snob with a cold heart as she still is to this day.

Considering that the first impulse her family seemed to have was to make money off of her, it's no wonder why she chose to not invite most of them. She's known them for longer than any of us, after all, if they weren't invited to either of her weddings, then there's a reason.

Turning your back on toxic family members is not a bad thing, and her family have shown themselves to be incredibly toxic and opportunistic. If any of us were in her position, we'd be lying if we said we wouldn't do the same.

Finally, if that whole side of her family is toxic as seems to be the case with her sister and father then that's not on her, they are toxic because they are toxic and it's just ignorant to place the blame for their behaviour on anyone other then themselves. I do not think you would hold the same views if we were talking about anyone other than Meghan Markle.

[Tom4784]

None of us know what has happened...why shouldnt people be allowed to sell their story and their version of events. Meghans out there doing just the same thing...using a Documentry to talk about 'poor me'....now shes talking to Oprah to tell her story for a fee...(oh yes its going to charity because she can afford for it to go to charity)....but shes still 'telling her story'. Like I said she is no different...no different at all.

I think there's a core difference here that you are choosing to ignore because it upends your argument if you acknowledge it.

Meghan Markle has spoken about her own issues, dealing with the pressure of parenthood, her miscarriage, stuff like that. Samantha Markle and her dad went to the press to tear apart a family member for a paycheque. They weren't telling 'their story', they were trashing someone else for money because they weren't going to profit from their relation to Meghan Markle any other way because she had cut them from her life.

There's a difference there and you know it. Anyone can talk about their own struggles, it's noble to do so (sniffing at the fact Meghan will give her fees to charity is just strange), but when you're looking for payment to throw a family member under the bus then that's scummy.

[Glenn.]

None of us know what has happened...why shouldnt people be allowed to sell their story and their version of events. Meghans out there doing just the same thing...using a Documentry to talk about 'poor me'....now shes talking to Oprah to tell her story for a fee...(oh yes its going to charity because she can afford for it to go to charity)....but shes still 'telling her story'. Like I said she is no different...no different at all.

Except here are you and others, tearing Meghan apart for doing the interview. But her scum sister is completely fine to do it because her jealous views line up with everyone else’s demented opinions on Meghan.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/19/14/article-9278295-39492906-126_964x543.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9278295/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-NOT-returning-working-royals.html

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/19/14/article-9278295-39492906-126_964x543.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9278295/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-NOT-returning-working-royals.html

Quite a difference in tone in the two messages isn’t there

[rusticgal]

Except here are you and others, tearing Meghan apart for doing the interview. But her scum sister is completely fine to do it because her jealous views line up with everyone else’s demented opinions on Meghan.


No Im saying they are all as bad as each other....equally you defend Meghan for having the right to 'tell her story'...but you call her sister and father 'scum' for telling theirs...:shrug:

[Cherie]

No Im saying they are all as bad as each other....equally you defend Meghan for having the right to 'tell her story'...but you call her sister and father 'scum' for telling theirs...:shrug:

Indeed

[rusticgal]

Quite a difference in tone in the two messages isn’t there


yup...one is nice and respectful and loving and the other is rather bitter and blunt and disrespectful.

[jet]

Quite a difference in tone in the two messages isn’t there

Oopsy, Harry and Meghan are not happy. They think what they have been doing is an example of a 'life of public service'? More like torturing the masses.
Last week it was reported that Harry was going to 'fight' to keep his military patronages, well, he's not. The celeb life was more important to him and he can't have it both ways.

[jet]

yup...one is nice and respectful and loving and the other is rather bitter and blunt and disrespectful.

As has happened on several occasions now with statements from and to the Palace/Queen. They are furious because they weren't allowed from the start to have their cake and eat it. They thought they were so important that they could demand it all. No, said the Queen, you are either in or out.

[Glenn.]

No Im saying they are all as bad as each other....equally you defend Meghan for having the right to 'tell her story'...but you call her sister and father 'scum' for telling theirs...:shrug:

As far as I’m aware, Meghan hasn’t had any financial gains for ‘her story’ though and it appears whatever fee she is expected to have with Oprah will be donated so again, it’s not the same.

[Glenn.]

Oopsy, Harry and Meghan are not happy. They think what they have been doing is an example of a 'life of public service'? More like torturing the masses.
Last week it was reported that Harry was going to 'fight' to keep his military patronages, well, he's not. The celeb life was more important to him and he can't have it both ways.

‘It was reported’

[Cherie]

As has happened on several occasions now with statements from and to the Palace/Queen. They are furious because they weren't allowed from the start to have their cake and eat it. They thought they were so important that they could demand it all. No, said the Queen, you are either in or out.

Yes you don't leave the company and keep the company car, its as simple as that, they wanted it all but Liz is da ultimate boss

[rusticgal]

As far as I’m aware, Meghan hasn’t had any financial gains for ‘her story’ though and it appears whatever fee she is expected to have with Oprah will be donated so again, it’s not the same.


So do you think she would donate it if she needed the money? :laugh:....I mean lets get this into context.

[Glenn.]

What is amazing in all of this is that even though the haters have been crying out for them to lose their titles, here you all are a till tearing them apart over it. I’m sure they knew it would happen and STILL went ahead and did what was best for them.

[rusticgal]

Yes you don't leave the company and keep the company car, its as simple as that, they wanted it all but Liz is da ultimate boss


Exactly....I think they should have their Titles taken off them too.

[Glenn.]

So do you think she would donate it if she needed the money? :laugh:....I mean lets get this into context.

She doesn’t need the money. She was wealthy before she met Harry.

You’re talking about a hypothetical. The facts are she is donating the money. That is a fact not some imagined scenario.

[rusticgal]

What is amazing in all of this is that even though the haters have been crying out for them to lose their titles, here you all are a till tearing them apart over it. I’m sure they knew it would happen and STILL went ahead and did what was best for them.


I dont think we are 'tearing them apart'....They have chosen to leave the job...so they should surrender everything that came with it....simple really.

[Glenn.]

I dont think we are 'tearing them apart'....They have chosen to leave the job...so they should surrender everything that came with it....simple really.

No one has they shouldn’t?

[rusticgal]

No one has they shouldn’t?


:conf:

[rusticgal]

She doesn’t need the money. She was wealthy before she met Harry.

You’re talking about a hypothetical. The facts are she is donating the money. That is a fact not some imagined scenario.


I know she doesnt need the money....thats why she is giving her fee to charity. However you call her family scum for telling their story for money...but its ok for Meghan to tell hers because she is financially able and can give her fee to charity...that makes it all ok does it???

[jet]

‘It was reported’

Most of the newspapers mentioned the story. What is your point?

[Ammi]

...is this for the Oprah interview..?...there is no donation being made to any of their charities, as well as no fee being given...it was posted earlier in the thread...




"A spokeswoman for the Oprah Winfrey Network confirmed that the couple won’t be collecting a paycheck and said that no donations are being made to their charity."

While there were news outlets that would probably have paid millions for this exclusive insight into Meghan and Harry's lives and minds, it seems that's not what it's about. And if that is the case, it's not particularly surprising.


Meghan Markle has long been the target of unwarranted invasion into her life. She faced regular harsh and unnecessary criticism after joining the royal family, and ultimately ended up suing a newspaper (and winning) after they published parts of a private letter written to her father following her May 2018 wedding.

Naysayers might argue that giving an interview goes against Meghan's desire for privacy, but I think it does the exact opposite. It allows her to tell her story in her own words; something she was unable to do in her position as a working member of the British royal family.

For the Sussexes, setting the record straight is clearly important to them, and without sounding too much like the Mastercard advert... that's priceless.

[jet]

What is amazing in all of this is that even though the haters have been crying out for them to lose their titles, here you all are a till tearing them apart over it. I’m sure they knew it would happen and STILL went ahead and did what was best for them.

They haven't lost their titles, they have lost their patronages.

[LukeB]

...is this for the Oprah interview..?...there is no donation being made to any of their charities, as well as no fee being given...it was posted earlier in the thread...




"A spokeswoman for the Oprah Winfrey Network confirmed that the couple won’t be collecting a paycheck and said that no donations are being made to their charity."

While there were news outlets that would probably have paid millions for this exclusive insight into Meghan and Harry's lives and minds, it seems that's not what it's about. And if that is the case, it's not particularly surprising.


Meghan Markle has long been the target of unwarranted invasion into her life. She faced regular harsh and unnecessary criticism after joining the royal family, and ultimately ended up suing a newspaper (and winning) after they published parts of a private letter written to her father following her May 2018 wedding.

Naysayers might argue that giving an interview goes against Meghan's desire for privacy, but I think it does the exact opposite. It allows her to tell her story in her own words; something she was unable to do in her position as a working member of the British royal family.

For the Sussexes, setting the record straight is clearly important to them, and without sounding too much like the Mastercard advert... that's priceless.

That's fair I see no issue with it. This is their control rather than media twisting stuff.

I would get the OTT stuff if they were going on Oprah then Ellen and then Late night with James Corden and more TV interviews but this is just a 1 off TV interview :laugh:

It's soo easy to understand what privacy Meghan and Harry wants because every celebrity wants the same thing but they do way more media stuff than Harry and Meghan. No one is that naive to think they can magically disappear just like that. Like you said before they need to go to mars to do that or maybe prison themselves. They never said they don't want to not be famous anymore.

[Glenn.]

...is this for the Oprah interview..?...there is no donation being made to any of their charities, as well as no fee being given...it was posted earlier in the thread...




"A spokeswoman for the Oprah Winfrey Network confirmed that the couple won’t be collecting a paycheck and said that no donations are being made to their charity."

While there were news outlets that would probably have paid millions for this exclusive insight into Meghan and Harry's lives and minds, it seems that's not what it's about. And if that is the case, it's not particularly surprising.


Meghan Markle has long been the target of unwarranted invasion into her life. She faced regular harsh and unnecessary criticism after joining the royal family, and ultimately ended up suing a newspaper (and winning) after they published parts of a private letter written to her father following her May 2018 wedding.

Naysayers might argue that giving an interview goes against Meghan's desire for privacy, but I think it does the exact opposite. It allows her to tell her story in her own words; something she was unable to do in her position as a working member of the British royal family.

For the Sussexes, setting the record straight is clearly important to them, and without sounding too much like the Mastercard advert... that's priceless.

Wow so they’re not even being paid?

We can stop with the hypotheticals about selling stories because of money and go back to her family being unethical scums of the Earth.

[Glenn.]

I know she doesnt need the money....thats why she is giving her fee to charity. However you call her family scum for telling their story for money...but its ok for Meghan to tell hers because she is financially able and can give her fee to charity...that makes it all ok does it???

Clearly if you think it’s acceptable to sell stories about your own family, then that’s an issue with morals and decency and all that jazz. You can spin whatever tale to make Meghan the bad guy because that’s what you’re used to doing. She’s always going to be the bad guy because people can’t see past their hatred for her.

Her family clearly don’t care about her the way everyone paints them to and something must have happened between them for Meghan to shun them the way she has and given the evidence of their behaviour since she married it’s clear to see why.

[jet]

Considering that the first impulse her family seemed to have was to make money off of her, it's no wonder why she chose to not invite most of them. She's known them for longer than any of us, after all, if they weren't invited to either of her weddings, then there's a reason.

Turning your back on toxic family members is not a bad thing, and her family have shown themselves to be incredibly toxic and opportunistic. If any of us were in her position, we'd be lying if we said we wouldn't do the same.

Finally, if that whole side of her family is toxic as seems to be the case with her sister and father then that's not on her, they are toxic because they are toxic and it's just ignorant to place the blame for their behaviour on anyone other then themselves. I do not think you would hold the same views if we were talking about anyone other than Meghan Markle.

You haven’t read my posts properly because I said they WERE invited to her first wedding, but not her wedding to Harry. She froze most of her family on both sides out once she found a bit of fame. The hurt assumption from her family and friends was that she was moving in higher circles, had got uppity and was too good for them.

"Considering that the first impulse her family seemed to have was to make money off of her"

You are putting the cart before the horse here. It wasn’t their first impulse. At the time of the engagement she point blank refused the Palaces’ offer to send Aides to help her father, who was being hounded relentlessly by paparazzi. She told Harry she had no family - he said during a radio interview that ‘His family was going to be the family she never had’. This made the Markle family very angry indeed. It seemed she didn’t want Harry to meet him or talk to him, at least until the wedding was done and dusted.

Her father had worked his butt off to give her a great education in all the best LA schools where she mixed with the kids of famous celebs, supported her all through uni and bought her an apartment. There are many accounts of that info, including from Meghan herself in her TIG blog.

Her father and half sister in particular were being maligned and misrepresented and started speaking out.
Whatever payment they received, its mere buttons compared to the big bucks Meghan has sold herself for, not on merit, but via the Royal titles, which are supposed to be used for public service, not personal gain.
The wrecking ball all started with Meghan, not anyone else, and its continuing with their disrespect and bitter spats with the Queen, who was particularly welcoming and warm to her. Meghan is the toxic common denominator in all this.

[Glenn.]

Her father wasn’t ‘hounded’ by press. He had a deal and was photographed posing with books about Britain.

[jet]

Wow so they’re not even being paid?

We can stop with the hypotheticals about selling stories because of money and go back to her family being unethical scums of the Earth.

There were newspapers who said Mr.Markle was 'not being paid for this interview' too, but nobody believed it. :whistle: I wouldn't take 'they are not being paid' as gospel.

[Glenn.]

There were newspapers who said Mr.Markle was 'not being paid for this interview' too, but nobody believed it. :whistle: I wouldn't take 'they are not being paid' as gospel.

Of course you wouldn’t jet because you jump to the immediate negative in everything they do.

[jet]

Her father wasn’t ‘hounded’ by press. He had a deal and was photographed posing with books about Britain.

Correct. After he was hounded for weeks and photographs of him looking his worst and ducking and dodging were being splashed all over, with Meghan refusing him help. He agreed a deal that if he gave them staged pics, they would leave him alone. They didn't however.

[rusticgal]

Wow so they’re not even being paid?

We can stop with the hypotheticals about selling stories because of money and go back to her family being unethical scums of the Earth.


I will repeat myself from my earlier post....REGARDLESS of money involved or not... the FACT remains that you call her family SCUM for telling THEIR story but its OK for Meghan to tell hers....:laugh:

[jet]

Of course you wouldn’t jet because you jump to the immediate negative in everything they do.

Like you do with her family.

[Crimson Dynamo]

talkRADIO poll on youtube

Should Harry and Meghan lose their titles of Duke and Duchess of Sussex?

6.2K votes

Yes -90%


No - 10%

[rusticgal]

Her father wasn’t ‘hounded’ by press. He had a deal and was photographed posing with books about Britain.


How do you know he wasnt hounded?

[rusticgal]

talkRADIO poll on youtube

Should Harry and Meghan lose their titles of Duke and Duchess of Sussex?

6.2K votes

Yes -90%


No - 10%


Too right...:dance:

[jet]

talkRADIO poll on youtube

Should Harry and Meghan lose their titles of Duke and Duchess of Sussex?

6.2K votes

Yes -90%


No - 10%

But the public love them! :hehe:

[rusticgal]

But the public love them! :hehe:


...well 10% do.

[jet]

I will repeat myself from my earlier post....REGARDLESS of money involved or not... the FACT remains that you call her family SCUM for telling THEIR story but its OK for Meghan to tell hers....:laugh:

That Scummy Meghan....:hee:

[Glenn.]

I will repeat myself from my earlier post....REGARDLESS of money involved or not... the FACT remains that you call her family SCUM for telling THEIR story but its OK for Meghan to tell hers....:laugh:

Stories they SOLD for MoNEY...

Meghan hasn’t made a dime from her story nor will she because she is classy.

You can’t ignore the FACT they SOLD stories for MONEY. They’re sole aim of SELLING the stories.

[joeysteele]

No of course they shouldn't lose titles.
Amazing how people take notice of polls if the voting suits their own agenda.

I take not a scrap of notice of polls seriously.
Even they're favourable to my own position.
I don't trust any of them.

Past history had Edward V111 gave up the throne to marry someone the Royals and government didn't want him to.

He had the title as his wife did Duke and Duchess of Windsor to their deaths.

Of course Prince Harry and Meghan should keep their Duke and Duchess titles..
Ridiculous.

Lord above, those who detest them will be calling for them to be hung ,drawn and quartered soon.
How utterly ridiculous and childishly pathetic in my view.

[rusticgal]

That Scummy Meghan....:hee:


Well you know what Jet....even with Meghans 'unethical' self serving pity on the back of a Documentry about poverty striken and abused women in SA...no one called her out as 'SCUM'....

[LukeB]

Are people still using polls with 6.2K votes and thinking they are accurate?

Sorry to break it to you internet polls will never be accurate not with 6.2K votes anyway when there's millions of people that exist.

[joeysteele]

Are people still using polls with 6.2K votes and thinking they are accurate?

Sorry to break it to you internet polls will never be accurate not with 6.2K votes anyway when there's millions of people that exist.

We wouldn't have seen that poll possibly on here had it been 90/10 the other way Luke.

I still wouldn't have been posting it for sure as I wouldn't have believed or trusted it, as I don't that one either.

[rusticgal]

He had the title as his wife did Duke and Duchess of Windsor to their deaths.

.


So what?....that doesnt make it right.

[AnnieK]

Their titles were a wedding gift weren't they? Bit crass to then take them back. The Queen is too classy for that. Even if the titles were stripped, Harry would still be a Prince, son and brother of the future Kings and as such Meghan would still be married to a Prince.

The stories Meghans family have only sold because they are about her. Meghan could sell a story about a snail and someone would buy it. That's the difference.

It's all very sordid and should have been left private but hey its out there, people will lap up the side of the story they are aligned to and debunk the other. I don't know anyone on here who has had their opinion changed by the stuff posted on the forum (I know a few changed opinion after the SA interview). Which is why these threads always descend into a mess through frustration.

Like them, don't like them, they will always be linked to the Royals due to Harry's parentage

[Crimson Dynamo]

The poll exists and 6.2K people have spoken

like it or not

90%

[LukeB]

We wouldn't have seen that poll possibly on here had it been 90/10 the other way Luke.

I still wouldn't have been posting it for sure as I wouldn't have believed or trusted it, as I don't that one either.

Exactly :laugh:

I wouldn't either espically with a really low amount of votes.

[joeysteele]

So what?....that doesnt make it right.


He gave up the throne after the death of his Father, yet still had and kept a title all through their lives.
Rightly I add.

HOWEVER what on earth is the crime these 2 have done to warrant every professional and likely public humiliation possible.

Plus more to the point, really what kind of people want to see that is what really would worry me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

'We can all live a life of service. Service is universal': Harry and Meghan's extraordinary dig after 'saddened' Queen strips them of remaining honorary roles a month early because they have abandoned a 'life of public service'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html




:bored:

[jet]

Stories they SOLD for MoNEY...

Meghan hasn’t made a dime from her story nor will she because she is classy.

You can’t ignore the FACT they SOLD stories for MONEY. They’re sole aim of SELLING the stories.

And Meghan accepted BIG BIG money from Netflix and Spotify on the back of her Royal titles, not on merit, but scrambling over young talent who had worked hard to get a break like that, and didn't. She accepted a mansion to live in in Canada rent free, and has been ferried around in Elton John's private jet FREE. The freeloading shameless hussy. :fist:

[AnnieK]

And Meghan accepted BIG BIG money from Netflix and Spotify on the back of her Royal titles, not on merit, but scrambling over young talent who had worked hard to get a break like that, and didn't. She accepted a mansion to live in in Canada rent free, and has been ferried around in Elton John's private jet FREE. The freeloading shameless hussy. :fist:

I think their are two of them that accepted all that Jet....let's not heap the blame on just Meghan....is Harry a freeloading hussy too?

[jet]

Well you know what Jet....even with Meghans 'unethical' self serving pity on the back of a Documentry about poverty striken and abused women in SA...no one called her out as 'SCUM'....

That's right Rusti, no - one here stoops to calling her derogatory names. Yet I've seen many who defend Meghan calling other public figures awful names.

[LukeB]

I think their are two of them that accepted all that Jet....let's not heap the blame on just Meghan....is Harry a freeloading hussy too?

They just treat Harry like a little baby which is worrying and insulting to Harry and put all the blame on the woman because it can never be two always the female.

[Glenn.]

That's right Rusti, no - one here stoops to calling her derogatory names. Yet I've seen many who defend Meghan calling other public figures awful names.

You’ve literally just called her a freeloading hussy...

[jet]

I think their are two of them that accepted all that Jet....let's not heap the blame on just Meghan....is Harry a freeloading hussy too?

Point taken Annie. :wavey:

[Cherie]

'We can all live a life of service. Service is universal': Harry and Meghan's extraordinary dig after 'saddened' Queen strips them of remaining honorary roles a month early because they have abandoned a 'life of public service'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html




:bored:

Such a lack of class, they may as well have said **** you

Its not even heat of the moment either, they signed off on that statement

[Glenn.]

And Meghan accepted BIG BIG money from Netflix and Spotify on the back of her Royal titles, not on merit, but scrambling over young talent who had worked hard to get a break like that, and didn't. She accepted a mansion to live in in Canada rent free, and has been ferried around in Elton John's private jet FREE. The freeloading shameless hussy. :fist:

But not from selling stories...

That is to all intents and purposes a job..... not selling your own family out to make a quick buck

[jet]

You’ve literally just called her a freeloading hussy...

It's a joke because of what we were just talking about with the name calling.
(Note the jokey fist!) :rolleyes:
We never call her derogatory names, I hate that kind of stuff that gets thrown around like 'orange moron' etc.

[joeysteele]

Such a lack of class, they may as well have said **** you

Its not even heat of the moment either, they signed off on that statement

Public service is universal.
It's not just the possession of being done only if doing Royal duties.

I'd hope you're not possibly trying to infer public service cannot be done by any other groups or individuals.

It's a true statement, public service is for any to do and is universal.
Or do you not agree that's the case.
Possibly that they cannot do public service unless they do it under Royal duty banners.

[Glenn.]

It's a joke because of what we were just talking about with the name calling.
(Note the jokey fist!) :rolleyes:
We never call her derogatory names, I hate that kind of stuff that gets thrown around like 'orange moron' etc.

You’ve called Meghan and Harry a LOT of derogatory names jet come on, Jesus

[jet]

Public service is universal.
It's not just the possession of being done only if doing Royal duties.

I'd hope you're not possibly trying to infer public service cannot be done by any other groups or individuals.

It's a true statement, public service is for any to do and is universal.
Or do you not agree that's the case.

They cannot do public service unless they do it under Royal duty banners.

When are they going to start their public service?

They'd be doing the public a service if they would shut up and stop preaching.

[jet]

You’ve called Meghan and Harry a LOT of derogatory names jet come on, Jesus

Like what? Name them.

[joeysteele]

When are they going to start their public service?

They'd be doing the public a service if they would shut up and stop preaching.

You'll know my answer in advance.

So no point in me attempting to debate it with you as all you'll say to me as you insultingly did the other day, is that I'm talking bull.....

So really no wish to engage with you at all, sorry.

[jet]

Such a lack of class, they may as well have said **** you

Its not even heat of the moment either, they signed off on that statement

They are getting progressively very bitter with the Royals Cherie, which is foolish of them. I wonder where its all going to lead....

[jet]

You'll know my answer in advance.

So no point in me attempting to debate it with you as all you'll say to me as you insultingly did the other day, is that I'm talking bull.....

So really no wish to engage with you at all, sorry.

No problem.

[jet]

The poll exists and 6.2K people have spoken

like it or not

90%

Yes, polls are representative samples of the public at large and have been used with good effect for centuries.

[rusticgal]

Stories they SOLD for MoNEY...

Meghan hasn’t made a dime from her story nor will she because she is classy.

You can’t ignore the FACT they SOLD stories for MONEY. They’re sole aim of SELLING the stories.


They told their story...just like Meghan. Meghan didnt need the money but she's telling us anyway.
Meghan is an opportunist just like her family....but she isnt Scum and neither is her family.

[rusticgal]

We wouldn't have seen that poll possibly on here had it been 90/10 the other way Luke.

I still wouldn't have been posting it for sure as I wouldn't have believed or trusted it, as I don't that one either.


I dare say one of the Meghan Brigade would have taken equal delight in putting it up....

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dare say one of the Meghan Brigade would have taken equal delight in putting it up....

i dont think there are any polls showing support for this pair? :laugh:

[Nicky91]

i dont think there are any polls showing support for this pair? :laugh:

who votes in these polls anyway? just the anti-meghan brigade

so polls are irrelevant

[rusticgal]

He gave up the throne after the death of his Father, yet still had and kept a title all through their lives.
Rightly I add.

HOWEVER what on earth is the crime these 2 have done to warrant every professional and likely public humiliation possible.

Plus more to the point, really what kind of people want to see that is what really would worry me.


Its not about humiliation...They dont deserve the titles. If you quit the Royal family then you lose all the benefits imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

who votes in these polls anyway? just the anti-meghan brigade

so polls are irrelevant

sorry you know who votes in these polls?


how as they are private?

[James]

talkRADIO poll on youtube

Should Harry and Meghan lose their titles of Duke and Duchess of Sussex?

6.2K votes

Yes -90%


No - 10%

But the public love them! :hehe:

The poll exists and 6.2K people have spoken

like it or not

90%

Yes, polls are representative samples of the public at large and have been used with good effect for centuries.

Those type of polls are self-selecting.

A fairer representation of public opinion would be something like this...

https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

[rusticgal]

You’ve called Meghan and Harry a LOT of derogatory names jet come on, Jesus


Proof?

[Nicky91]

sorry you know who votes in these polls?


how as they are private?

90%?

only the anti-meghan brigade vote in masses in those polls, so they are biased, so irrelevant

[Cherie]

Those type of polls are self-selecting.

A fairer representation of public opinion would be something like this...

https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

Zara Phillips being higher than Harry :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Those type of polls are self-selecting.

A fairer representation of public opinion would be something like this...

https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

11th for markle

wow

only 4 in front of Andrew


speaks volumes

[Crimson Dynamo]

90%?

only the anti-meghan brigade vote in masses in those polls, so they are biased, so irrelevant

so the 10% are who?

:laugh:

[jet]

Those type of polls are self-selecting.

A fairer representation of public opinion would be something like this...

https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

I posted that poll the other day. Camilla and the seldom seen Sophie is more popular than Meghan.

[GoldHeart]

I dont think we are 'tearing them apart'....They have chosen to leave the job...so they should surrender everything that came with it....simple really.

Well you must be glad then seen as most of the titles have been removed from them :idc:

[joeysteele]

Its not about humiliation...They dont deserve the titles. If you quit the Royal family then you lose all the benefits imo.

For goodness sake do you not listen.

They haven't quit the Royal Family, they've quit Royal duties.

Even the Palace statement says today.
They REMAIN loved members of the Royal family

So why to please you should they lose their titles given as gifts.

Unbelievable.

[GoldHeart]

For goodness sake do you not listen.

They haven't quit the Royal Family, they've quit Royal duties.

Even the Palace statement says today.
They REMAIN loved members of the Royal family

So why to please you should they lose their titles given as gifts.

Unbelievable.

I'd give up Joey it's like banging head against a wall :joker: :rolleyes: .

Harry & Meghan will always be apart of the royal family whether people like it or not .

[joeysteele]

I'd give up Joey it's like banging head against a wall :joker: :rolleyes: .

Harry & Meghan will always be apart of the royal family whether people like it or not .

I think you're right Goldheart.

It's impossible.

[rusticgal]

For goodness sake do you not listen.

They haven't quit the Royal Family, they've quit Royal duties.

Even the Palace statement says today.
They REMAIN loved members of the Royal family

So why to please you should they lose their titles given as gifts.

Unbelievable.


They have Quit their jobs as senior Royals...they are no longer part of the firm. They now reside in America...they are dipping their toes in American politics..they have been disrespectful to the Queen....
As a result they should be stripped of their titles....OK.

That is my opinion...

[rusticgal]

I'd give up Joey it's like banging head against a wall :joker: :rolleyes: .

Harry & Meghan will always be apart of the royal family whether people like it or not .



That doesn’t mean they should hold on to their titles....I’m quite aware they haven’t been put up for adoption :laugh:

[joeysteele]

They have Quit their jobs as senior Royals...they are no longer part of the firm. They now reside in America...they are dipping their toes in American politics..they have been disrespectful to the Queen....
As a result they should be stripped of their titles....OK.

That is my opinion...

You said they'd quit the royal family.
Make your mind up.

The Queen however says they shouldn't be stripped of their titles.

So now to you, the Queen's wrong.
For crying out loud.
Thankfully the Queen isn't wrong and she is being a much fairer individual.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EunMBAVXcAMja4p?format=jpg&name=small

[rusticgal]

You said they'd quit the royal family.
Make your mind up.

The Queen however says they shouldn't be stripped of their titles.

So now to you, the Queen's wrong.
For crying out loud.
Thankfully the Queen isn't wrong and she is being a much fairer individual.


You need to calm down....they quit their roles as members of the Royal family...The firm. Of course they are still ‘family’....but I will say it again because now you don’t seem to ‘hear what I’m saying’....Ithink they should be stripped of their titles....that’s my opinion and it’s quite simple.

[rusticgal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EunMBAVXcAMja4p?format=jpg&name=small

:joker: