Boris announcement on Monday 22nd February

[Kate!]

What I'm expecting...and thoughts.

Schools back 8th March. Way too early.
All non essential shops open early April. Still a bit too early.
Social places open July. About right.

[Vanessa]

He's supposed to tell us when he's easing the lockdown.

[joeysteele]

Quite frankly I don't think he should be changing anything until the first week of April.

Anything else he announces will disappoint me.
However I'm sure he will disappoint.

Far too early to alter anything.

I fear he's going to take risks again.

Whatever he starts doing now is in my opinion, as someone who'd rather be sure than unsure.
Will be if it's before the first week of April, will be 5 to 6 weeks too soon.

[bots]

i'm happy for him to relax lock down if the data supports it, and that ultimately is reflected by hospital admissions. If they are down at a manageable level, then open up for sure

[Kate!]

i'm happy for him to relax lock down if the data supports it, and that ultimately is reflected by hospital admissions. If they are down at a manageable level, then open up for sure

but they are only at a manageable level because of the current restrictions. It will zoom back up again if they are relaxed. Too soon.

[Vanessa]

but they are only at a manageable level because of the current restrictions. It will zoom back up again if they are relaxed. Too soon.

Hopefully they will relax things gradually.
And not too quickly.

[Janet Jackson]

Rinse and repeat

[AnnieK]

As BOTs said, if the data and science supports it, some loosening would be great if its done gradually and monitored closely.

[Vanessa]

I don't think they will reopen shops until April.
But the schools will probably reopen next month.
.

[Samm]

Not my comments deleted. They should open up a majority after April 15th end of. I know too many young people including myself who are suffering from the lack of social contact.

[joeysteele]

but they are only at a manageable level because of the current restrictions. It will zoom back up again if they are relaxed. Too soon.

I agree.

I've heard a lot the last 2 days, of this seems, that seems.
Seems isn't good enough.

We were told in the last 2 lockdowns, by bookends at the press conferences, the data allowed for opening things up gradually again.

They were wrong, and we needed a third.

Data can say whatever you want it to say.

More to the point if they ever were to publish the full actual data to us.
Then perhaps with greater clarity, their word could be trusted this time.

[Kate!]

I don't see why the comments got deleted. I didnt report just so you know.

Back on topic....yes Joey. Data can be and is often manipulated to suit purpose.

[bots]

but they are only at a manageable level because of the current restrictions. It will zoom back up again if they are relaxed. Too soon.

the difference is that most of the vulnerable have now been vaccinated, so the rates won't shoot up like they did in january

[Kate!]

the difference is that most of the vulnerable have now been vaccinated, so the rates won't shoot up like they did in january

I hope you're right I really do. But I have reservations.

[joeysteele]

The vulnerable have been vaccinated, yet their letters state even IF they've had BOTH vaccinations they should still shield until 31st March.

Yet they can open all else up.
Where's the sense in rushing again

Or do people like hearing nothing else but we told you so.

It's too early to be relaxing, once that starts the momentum starts to move even faster.

I'd rather not see any more unnecessary deaths of anyone from this, than the thousands there's already been.

[Vanessa]

The vulnerable have been vaccinated, yet their letters state even IF they've had BOTH vaccinations they should still shield until 31st March.

Yet they can open all else up.
Where's the sense in rushing again

Or do people like hearing nothing else but we told you so.

It's too early to be relaxing, once that starts the momentum starts to move even faster.

I'd rather not see any more unnecessary deaths of anyone from this, than the thousands there's already been.
I don't think they will rush. Boris said that he will look at the data and then decide.

[Kate!]

The vulnerable have been vaccinated, yet their letters state even IF they've had BOTH vaccinations they should still shield until 31st March.

Yet they can open all else up.
Where's the sense in rushing again

Or do people like hearing nothing else but we told you so.

It's too early to be relaxing, once that starts the momentum starts to move even faster.

I'd rather not see any more unnecessary deaths of anyone from this, than the thousands there's already been.

yes Joey. Agree with all this.

Also I do understand the mental health point of view expressed in here. Its a worry yes tbf. It needs to be taken into account yes. Its hard to know whats for the best unless we try it but not rushing it or we'll have to have yet another lockdown.

[joeysteele]

I don't think they will rush. Boris said that he will look at the data and then decide.

I'll be straight on here if he was to not rush.
To commend that, despite my personal grievances and fury at him for the last 12 months on this.

However I think he will be opening schools on March 8th.
That's not just children going to school.
It's more people out, more staff in the schools as well as the children..
Other people taking them and collecting them from school.

That one act opens up many more in the community.
It is ridiculous, in my view, to have schools back for only 3 weeks before the Easter break.

If he opens up anything else too before April.
Then as in the past, to me his words again will have been hollow, very sadly.

[Kate!]

He will rush. He's learned nothing. The man is an idiot.

[Kazanne]

I think he taking advice and will act accordingly , after all he has all the facts ,not us. We need to start opening up but what do I know more than they do ? simple answer is I dont ,none of us do.

[Vanessa]

We will find out tomorrow.
I really hope they do things gradually.
We don't want to find ourselves on lockdown again.

[joeysteele]

We will find out tomorrow.
I really hope they do things gradually.
We don't want to find ourselves on lockdown again.

He's thrown the right advice out before.
With the bookends standing grim faced as he did, pretending to support him.

He's hardly really listened for a year now.

The time hasn't been enough to judge the vaccines effect, we were told that it wouldn't be certain until after the second vaccinations.

So he can have data for the moment, not the long term..
He's got an anti lockdown group in his own party clamouring for the end to lockdown.
The dangerous idiots they are.

I'd rather stay on the side of fullest of caution.
Until much more is known for certain.

[Jordan.]

We want the barbers open ASAP

[Ammi]

We want the barbers open ASAP

...:laugh:..we should have a how long is your hair, thread...mine is seriously scary now but I somehow quite like it...

[Parmy]

I look like a freshly lighten match.

[Kate!]

...:laugh:..we should have a how long is your hair, thread...mine is seriously scary now but I somehow quite like it...

Rapunzel Rapunzel let down your hair.

Xxxx

[Smithy]

I think it’s stupid to say in March we’re doing this, in April this and in May this, so much can happen in that space of time, and people only hear WERE OPENING THIS IN MAY and ignore the fine print of - assuming cases remain low - then if it doesn’t happen they kick off

[Josy]

I think it’s stupid to say in March we’re doing this, in April this and in May this, so much can happen in that space of time, and people only hear WERE OPENING THIS IN MAY and ignore the fine print of - assuming cases remain low - then if it doesn’t happen they kick offYeah I agree. And didnt Boris actually say at one of the briefings they need to go more with data rather than dates? I'm sure I remember him saying that a few weeks back because Nicola sturgeon had said similar round about the same time

[Parmy]

Boris will ruin 2021 tomorrow..

Thousands upon thousands of men will be willing him to open the pubs, but all hes gonna do is allow the mother in law to come round and visit.

[DouglasS]

but they are only at a manageable level because of the current restrictions. It will zoom back up again if they are relaxed. Too soon.

People have to live life though... you can’t expect kids to just skip school and be uneducated... it’s unfair to ask for uni students to lose all their years at uni which many say are the best years of your life... you can’t also expect people to give up their businesses...

Once all the 50+s and vulnerable are vaccinated and deaths fall below 100 a day it should open up completely in my opinion, we have to live with covid, people will die just like the flu and many other diseases. A sad part of life is that people die... you can’t stop that. Every disease had an origin and began somewhere we can’t stop the world because some people die... once vaccination has hit all
Vulnerable people things must start again, that’s the best we can do, there will still sadly be some casualties but it’s the same with all diseases, at least the vaccination will improve peoples odds massively (apparently prevent deaths by around 95% which is fantastic)

[Parmy]

People have to live life though... you can’t expect kids to just skip school and be uneducated... it’s unfair to ask for uni students to lose all their years at uni which many say are the best years of your life... you can’t also expect people to give up their businesses...

Once all the 50+s and vulnerable are vaccinated and deaths fall below 100 a day it should open up completely in my opinion, we have to live with covid, people will die just like the flu and many other diseases. A sad part of life is that people die... you can’t stop that. Every disease had an origin and began somewhere we can’t stop the world because some people die... once vaccination has hit all
Vulnerable people things must start again, that’s the best we can do, there will still sadly be some casualties but it’s the same with all diseases, at least the vaccination will improve peoples odds massively (apparently prevent deaths by around 95% which is fantastic)


We can close the thread now.:

[joeysteele]

I hope I'm wrong.
I'm not happy anyway to think schools will be open from March 8th.

When it's concretely safe to start relaxing then yes.

However, it seems like it's being prepared of better news short term for those advocating opening up sooner.
Not bothered about more possible unnecessary deaths.

The news is full today of promising early data on lower transmission after vaccination, the important word there ,EARLY.
Early is not a clear or fuller picture.

Yet that may be used to say, things can open up a little more quickly than planned.

We've had Hancock, saying now infections falling faster than in the first lockdown.
That's rich considering he didn't seem to have a clue what was going on during the first lockdown anyway.

So the rhetoric is starting now to present a seemingly safer position.

On, ' early' data.
That ought not to be enough at all.

Obviously I'll wait to see what he says.
I'll not prejudge on what I expect to hear now.
If he opens schools on March 8th, I'll think it wrong, especially if he opens them all.
However he's not alone there, Starmer is likely to support that too.
Which I too consider bad judgement on Starmer's part too.

If he opens up more, before April at least, then in my view he has likely learned next to nothing in near a year now sadly.
I believe he will going on a dangerous path again.
With probably more unnecessary losses of loved ones lives and more left with likely long covid in their lives too.

[Cherie]

Schools are opening albeit partially in Scotland and Wales tomorrow, we have to loosen at some point, infections will rise but hopefully the vaccines will keep admissions and deaths controlled

[joeysteele]

We only went into lockdown on 6th January.

I don't agree either with Wales and Scotland opening schools either.

Of course we have to open up, for me only when it's really safe to.

I don't want to lose any more people or see any loved ones ending up with long covid either.
(Oh yes I hear the groans).
Something they're still gathering the data on as to.
People have suffered months and some may for life with long covid.

Are people happy to see that happen just to open things up more quickly?

The vaccines neither stop those vaccinated getting the virus nor yet not transmitting it to others.

There's still too many ifs, maybes and incomplete data it seems in my view.

[DouglasS]

We only went into lockdown on 6th January.

I don't agree either with Wales and Scotland opening schools either.

Of course we have to open up, for me only when it's really safe to.

I don't want to lose any more people or see any loved ones ending up with long covid either.
(Oh yes I hear the groans).
Something they're still gathering the data on as to.
People have suffered months and some may for life with long covid.

Are people happy to see that happen just to open things up more quickly?

The vaccines neither stop those vaccinated getting the virus nor yet not transmitting it to others.

There's still too many ifs, maybes and incomplete data it seems in my view.

It’s not that we want people to die.. it’s that we can’t close off life forever. It’s just like saying let’s ban driving because people die in car crashes.. do you want those people to die because of driving? Or do you also agree we should ban all driving...

There comes a point where we have to accept a level of risk in life, and sadly this point is nearing. People are always going to die and we cannot stop that, that is true in all walks of life and will be with coronavirus also. All we can do it vaccinate all vulnerable and all elderly and middle aged and that should help slow down the deaths drastically, but unfortunately not everyone can be saved and also the cost of lockdown financially and mentally will soon begin to have a large impact on the vast majority of the public

[GoldHeart]

I just hope we don't go backwards

[Glenn.]

I think he taking advice and will act accordingly , after all he has all the facts ,not us. We need to start opening up but what do I know more than they do ? simple answer is I dont ,none of us do.

He’s had facts that he’s ignored before so still doesn’t fill me with much hope.

Teachers need to be vaccinated before schools open yet there’s not been any mention of that. To me that’s basic common sense.

I can see the same thing happening as last year. Everything opens back up and rates will sky rocket again.

If every adult is to be offered a vaccine by the end of July then common sense would tell you to keep things closed or extremely limited until then.

[joeysteele]

It’s not that we want people to die.. it’s that we can’t close off life forever. It’s just like saying let’s ban driving because people die in car crashes.. do you want those people to die because of driving? Or do you also agree we should ban all driving...

There comes a point where we have to accept a level of risk in life, and sadly this point is nearing. People are always going to die and we cannot stop that, that is true in all walks of life and will be with coronavirus also. All we can do it vaccinate all vulnerable and all elderly and middle aged and that should help slow down the deaths drastically, but unfortunately not everyone can be saved and also the cost of lockdown financially and mentally will soon begin to have a large impact on the vast majority of the public

You can't equate driving deaths with this virus.
This virus is something no one ever expected to come across in this way in their lives.

The loss of loved ones to this is devastating.
Even moreso when their lives shouldn't have been lost.

Driving a vehicle in an accident caused by the driver or another driver, are tragedies, yes avoidable at times, but down to the individuals.

Younger people do get covid too, we're only learning the numbers and the horror of now long covid too even on them.
All from this virus.

The more society is opened up, the more likely infections will rise again.
Very few have even had their second vaccinations yet.

There's still a way to go even with the vaccines, which DON'T stop transmission, from the elderly to the younger and vice versa.
With all that, I will not be convinced any further risk of unnecessary deaths should be put in place.

You'll never agree just as I'll never agree with you that while deaths are sad they may happen, the ones that are and could and should be avoidable that is..
Not if there's ways to prevent unnecessary deaths, no way

HOWEVER I want no one else, not ONE person or family, friends and neighbours, as I and my family have, ( oh yes that just gets groans and derision, I'm used to it now), to lose to this accursed virus any loved one of theirs unnecessarily.
Which shouldn't even be likely, after a year of supposed dealing with and learning about it.

So I'd say no, to any relaxation for that bit extra time to bring things right down even further to much lower levels on ALL counts.

[Glenn.]

Imagine comparing dying of COVID to a car accident :skull:

[Scarlett.]

What time will be unveiling it? I hope he's not gonna make us wait til 5pm

[joeysteele]

What time will be unveiling it? I hope he's not gonna make us wait til 5pm

I think he's in parliament during the day explaining it, then he'll be likely at a press conference with his expert advisory bookends at 5pm, or thereabouts.

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[AnnieK]

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Lol....so they will let 30+ kids sit in a small classroom from 8th but they cant play football outside in less numbers till end of march? Where is the science to support that?

[arista]

What time will be unveiling it? I hope he's not gonna make us wait til 5pm


On TV News at 3:30PM in Parliament

But that then goes on
and can delay the normal 5PM Slot.

So his 10 Downing St
speech could be later
buggering up 7PM TV Slots, again.


Ref: Times Radio DAB

[Nicky91]

should've waited one more month until relaxing any measures


i expect cases to go up again ugh

[Kazanne]

He’s had facts that he’s ignored before so still doesn’t fill me with much hope.

Teachers need to be vaccinated before schools open yet there’s not been any mention of that. To me that’s basic common sense.

I can see the same thing happening as last year. Everything opens back up and rates will sky rocket again.

If every adult is to be offered a vaccine by the end of July then common sense would tell you to keep things closed or extremely limited until then.

I dont know where you are getting your information from ,I am a teachers assistant and I got my jab last Friday,so they ARE getting them :shrug:

[Kazanne]

should've waited one more month until relaxing any measures


i expect cases to go up again ugh

This virus is on going and will never go away,we need to start living again, it will be like the flu,it will kill people but injections can lower the risk and help us live with it.

[AnnieK]

I dont know where you are getting your information from ,I am a teachers assistant and I got my jab last Friday,so they ARE getting them :shrug:

All the teachers at my son's school have had theirs too

Did you have any side effects Kaz?

[Kazanne]

All the teachers at my son's school have had theirs too

Did you have any side effects Kaz?

Yes Annie,i was very cold, headachey,just generally under the weather, but I was fine on Sunday,I had the Oxford one.

[joeysteele]

This virus is on going and will never go away,we need to start living again, it will be like the flu,it will kill people but injections can lower the risk and help us live with it.

Tell people who are now suffering life changing long covid it's just going to be a flu.

There's NO vaccination that's going to stop people getting it or transmitting it yet.
Young or old.

Some suffer horribly from it.
Now a growing number, which even your government admits now, are left with devastating limiting and even serious conditions from covid.

Like the flu you say, beyond belief.

[joeysteele]

All the teachers at my son's school have had theirs too

Did you have any side effects Kaz?


Annie, have all the other school staff had it too.

Some of my family who are concerned at their children returning to school, have told me, they know other staff at their schools haven't had the vaccines.

[Kazanne]

Tell people who are now suffering life changing long covid it's just going to be a flu.

There's NO vaccination that's going to stop people getting it or transmitting it yet.
Young or old.

Some suffer horribly from it.
Now a growing number, which even your government admits now, are left with devastating limiting and even serious conditions from covid.

Like the flu you say, beyond belief.

I didnt say it was"just flu" I said it will be like the flu,something that will will be with us as flu is:shrug:

[Nicky91]

This virus is on going and will never go away,we need to start living again, it will be like the flu,it will kill people but injections can lower the risk and help us live with it.

:facepalm:

no, we need to stay all in lockdown for another 5 months

[Kazanne]

:facepalm:

no, we need to stay all in lockdown for another 5 months

That's your opinion,not mine.

[AnnieK]

Annie, have all the other school staff had it too.

Some of my family who are concerned at their children returning to school, have told me, they know other staff at their schools haven't had the vaccines.

I'm not sure about the Teaching Assistants. I would like to think so.

[Ammi]

...none of the school staff that I know have had theirs yet...well, not for being school staff anyway..a few have had it already for other vulnerabilities etc...it’s still a ‘regular testing’ thing until they’re vaccine groups are being vaccinated...

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2gvtKWtZBw&feature=youtu.be

Boris Johnson Narrated by David Attenborough

21second clip.

[joeysteele]

I didnt say it was"just flu" I said it will be like the flu,something that will will be with us as flu is:shrug:

Long covid is nothing like flu Kazanne.
Plus it won't be halted by vaccines either.
Not the present vaccines anyhow.

So for me, risks remain too fragile in my view.

In my view opening schools is going to have more People out again, those collecting and taking them to school.

Groups of older children all out in the community again.

The vaccinations don't even stop young or old getting or transmitting it.
So for me, you'll never agree, I couldn't see all schools returning on March 8th as nothing else than playing dangerously with this virus, still at this time.

[joeysteele]

I'm not sure about the Teaching Assistants. I would like to think so.

On that I'd like to know so.
There's another issue.

I haven't children myself, I do dread another unnecessary increase in infections again.
I still can't see any sense at this time, in putting schools back for 3 weeks then having the Easter break.

Until more like all is known not thought.
Then I prefer to tread cautiously across the board.

The data is promising in the short term, the data we get told that is.
It's not the longer picture confirmed yet however.

[DouglasS]

I dont know where you are getting your information from ,I am a teachers assistant and I got my jab last Friday,so they ARE getting them :shrug:

He’s getting his infomation from gossip sites and Facebook it seems :hehe:

[Kate!]

He’s getting his infomation from gossip sites and Facebook it seems :hehe:

I sincerely doubt it. Joey is a very level headed person and deals in facts.

[DouglasS]

Imagine comparing dying of COVID to a car accident :skull:

It’s an analogy about having to take some risk as a society to improve quality of life for the mass majority... Looks like it flew over your head

[Kazanne]

He’s getting his infomation from gossip sites and Facebook it seems :hehe:

Well as you know Douglas I don't take any notice gossip rags ,twitter or tbh some of the media ,actions and word of mouth does it for me. All I know is I have had the jab and I work in a school.

[Ammi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2gvtKWtZBw&feature=youtu.be

Boris Johnson Narrated by David Attenborough

21second clip.

....eeek, when you’re mocked by Sir David, that really is something and time that you might have to look closely at yourself ....it might be a jokey thing but it also reveals his strength of feeling for the Boris species, I think...

[Kazanne]

....eeek, when you’re mocked by Sir David, that really is something and time that you might have to look closely at yourself ....it might be a jokey thing but it also reveals his strength of feeling for the Boris species, I think...

So it's a mock up ,not actually what Sir David Attenborough thinks of Boris ,just someone who doesn't like him :laugh: very cleverly done though ,I guess some people will think it's real.

[Ammi]

So it's a mock up ,not actually what Sir David Attenborough thinks of Boris ,just someone who doesn't like him :laugh: very cleverly done though ,I guess some people will think it's real.

...I’m obviously one of those ...I guess some people, Kaz... because when Arista says it’s David Attenborough then I believe it’s David Attenborough because Arista is the oracle of accuracy, as we know...

[Kazanne]

...I’m obviously one of those ...I guess some people, Kaz... because when Arista says it’s David Attenborough then I believe it’s David Attenborough because Arista is the oracle of accuracy, as we know...

Arista just needs a good slap:laugh:

[DouglasS]

I sincerely doubt it. Joey is a very level headed person and deals in facts.

Who mentioned anything about Joey? He wasn’t to do with the post at all?

Get out of my swamp (get off my grill), I didn’t say Joey was not a level headed person we just have different opinions :laugh:

[Cherie]

I dont know where you are getting your information from ,I am a teachers assistant and I got my jab last Friday,so they ARE getting them :shrug:

yep all the staff at the school I used to work with have got them, some going back a few weeks but most in half term

and that is everyone, including management and admin staff

if fact they rolled out a limited supply in late January and some of the management helped themselves before the staff who are actually in classrooms with the children, and these children are special needs so do not know how to socially distance :skull:

[Kazanne]

I sincerely doubt it. Joey is a very level headed person and deals in facts.

Douglas was not talking about Joey :shrug:

[Ammi]

Arista just needs a good slap:laugh:

...:laugh:...I’ll leave that one to you while I go and start my day...

[Kate!]

Who mentioned anything about Joey? He wasn’t to do with the post at all?

Get out of my swamp (get off my grill), I didn’t say Joey was not a level headed person we just have different opinions :laugh:

Ok Jack

[Kate!]

Douglas was not talking about Joey :shrug:

who was he talking about?

[Josy]

who was he talking about?Glenn

[Kate!]

Glenn

Oh. I thought it was Joey he was referring to. My mistake. Sorry.

[bots]

The first results of the UK vaccination programme suggests it is having a "spectacular" impact on preventing serious illness.

Research led by Public Health Scotland found in the fourth week after the first dose, hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs respectively.

It is the first sign of the real world impact of vaccination in the UK.

Figures for England are expected to be released later.

Among the over 80s, there was an overall 81% reduction in the numbers admitted to hospital.

The researchers did not look at the impact on transmission - whether people who were vaccinated passed it on - or whether immunity waned over time.

The preliminary data from the EAVE II project covers 1.14 million vaccinations given in Scotland between 8 December and 15 February.

The study looked at the numbers being admitted to hospital with Covid among this population and compared it to those admitted who were not vaccinated.

In total, there were just over 8,000 people who ended up in hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600

[Cherie]

The first results of the UK vaccination programme suggests it is having a "spectacular" impact on preventing serious illness.

Research led by Public Health Scotland found in the fourth week after the first dose, hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs respectively.

It is the first sign of the real world impact of vaccination in the UK.

Figures for England are expected to be released later.

Among the over 80s, there was an overall 81% reduction in the numbers admitted to hospital.

The researchers did not look at the impact on transmission - whether people who were vaccinated passed it on - or whether immunity waned over time.

The preliminary data from the EAVE II project covers 1.14 million vaccinations given in Scotland between 8 December and 15 February.

The study looked at the numbers being admitted to hospital with Covid among this population and compared it to those admitted who were not vaccinated.

In total, there were just over 8,000 people who ended up in hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600

Just the kind of news we need on a Monday :dance:

[DouglasS]

:clap1:

80% reduction in hospital admissions is amazing and 90% reduction in deaths :clap1:

Means come the summer we may only have 1 death or so a day? Which is fantastic.

Looking like the data is suggesting the easing of the lockdown come the end of March

[AnnieK]

The first results of the UK vaccination programme suggests it is having a "spectacular" impact on preventing serious illness.

Research led by Public Health Scotland found in the fourth week after the first dose, hospitalisations were reduced by 85% and 94% for the Pfizer and AstraZeneca jabs respectively.

It is the first sign of the real world impact of vaccination in the UK.

Figures for England are expected to be released later.

Among the over 80s, there was an overall 81% reduction in the numbers admitted to hospital.

The researchers did not look at the impact on transmission - whether people who were vaccinated passed it on - or whether immunity waned over time.

The preliminary data from the EAVE II project covers 1.14 million vaccinations given in Scotland between 8 December and 15 February.

The study looked at the numbers being admitted to hospital with Covid among this population and compared it to those admitted who were not vaccinated.

In total, there were just over 8,000 people who ended up in hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56153600

Wow, that is promising data :love:

[arista]

Confirmed Live 7PM Downing St.

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
Times Radio DAB
LBC.



First Live 3:30PM
Parliament.

[Cherie]

Confirmed Live 7PM Downing St.

BBC1HD
SkyNewsHD
Radio 5
Times Radio DAB
LBC.



First Live 3:30PM
Parliament.

oh live I wasn't expecting that :laugh:

[arista]

oh live I wasn't expecting that :laugh:


Yes Press can Grill him
at Live 7PM.


3:30PM Live Parliament
first look at his plans
with Labour Leader backing in general terms.

[UserSince2005]

Fed up, I understand children need an education but it clear that the virus spreads when schools are open.

Keep Schools closed and open everything else like pre September 2020 and we can all enjoy life again until the vaccine roll out is complete.

[Cherie]

Fed up, I understand children need an education but it clear that the virus spreads when schools are open.

Keep Schools closed and open everything else like pre September 2020 and we can all enjoy life again until the vaccine roll out is complete.

slight problem with this if the staff have young school age children how can they go to work?

[UserSince2005]

slight problem with this if the staff have young school age children how can they go to work?

They can continue to work from home.

[UserSince2005]

i need the gyms to reopen ASAP.

GAY LIVES MATTER!!!

And im not even joking, like serious fed up of these straight orientated lockdown measures.

[Cherie]

They can continue to work from home.

You are missing the point ..if they work in a gym for instance? What would you suggest :laugh:

[UserSince2005]

You are missing the point ..if they work in a gym for instance? What would you suggest :laugh:

send them to the granny

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1363817312520990729

even CNN reports about it now

[Glenn.]

who was he talking about?

The ‘get out of my swamp’ should have been a giveaway to who he was talking to. Silly little man.

[Tom4784]

When it comes to this incompetent government, I'm keeping my expectations low. It'll probably be a premature end to the lockdown and we'll be doomed to repeat it all in a few months time.

[Kate!]

The ‘get out of my swamp’ should have been a giveaway to who he was talking to. Silly little man.

No need for him.

[Kate!]

Is the announcement soon then? Xx

[arista]

Prime Minister is Live in Parliament in around 5mins

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
LBC
Radio5



Then 7PM Live Downing St.

[Kate!]

Prime Minister is Live in Parliament in around 5mins

SkyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
LBC
Radio5



Then 7PM Live Downing St.

Please keep us updated. I can't watch at the moment xx

[arista]

Prime Minister Johnson is now Live

all media.

[arista]

Please keep us updated. I can't watch at the moment xx


Live Online Feed

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-uk-updates-as-boris-johnson-reveals-roadmap-out-of-lockdown-12225414

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews

[Braden]

The roadmap almost sounds too good to be true, but I'm going to remain hopeful and keep my fingers crossed.

[Cherie]

Gyms open 12th April for User

[arista]

[15:41
8 March: Back to school, outdoor socialising with one other person,
care home residents allowed one visitor

The prime minister is setting out four stages of easing lockdown in England.

Here is the first one, which covers new measures coming in on 8 and 29 March.

Remember, all four tests must be met for the steps to go ahead as planned.

Schools

Children and young people of all ages will return to classroom learning
in schools and colleges in England from 8 March, the PM says.

Socialising

You are allowed to meet one other person from outside
your household outdoors for "recreation".

This means that instead of the old rules where you had to be exercising,
you can now just meet up for a coffee, drink or picnic.

Care homes

Care home residents will be allowed to have “one regular indoor visitor”,
but they must wear full PPE and respect social distancing.

The "stay at home" order will remain in place until 29 March, Mr Johnson adds.]

[Cherie]

twice a week testing for secondary and college students for Zizu

[arista]

[Gyms, libraries, zoos, museums and theme parks
You can only go to these indoor settings with
members of your own household,
but they will reopen on 12 April.

If they are outside, then you can go in
a group of six made up of two different households.]

[arista]

[15:48

17 May: Gatherings of up to 30 outside,
rule-of-six inside, weddings, funerals,
wakes resume,
alongside large-scale sports events/performances

The third step will begin no sooner than 17 May.

Socialising

Up to 30 people can meet up outdoors,
including in pub and restaurant gardens,
but any more than that is illegal.

Indoor social mixing allowed again,
but only up to six people or two households together.

Sport

Indoor exercise classes can resume, the PM says.

Large-scale sporting events or performances
will be allowed with up to 1,000 people indoors.

Outdoors, a capacity of up to 4,000 will
be allowed – or the venue being half full – whichever is lower.

Bigger football stadiums will be
allowed up to 10,000 fans - or a quarter
of capacity – whichever is lower.

Weddings, funerals, receptions, wakes

From 17 May, 30 people will be allowed
to attend weddings, receptions, funerals,
wakes and christenings.]

[arista]

The Labour Leader is now Speaking.


He speaks of his plan for Nightingale
extra School classes.

[Cherie]

4 tests to be met to loosen at each stage

Vaccination roll out continues to go well

Reduction in deaths and hospitalisations

Infection rates do not surge

No new variants

[Cherie]

The roadmap almost sounds too good to be true, but I'm going to remain hopeful and keep my fingers crossed.

same Braden :laugh:

[UserSince2005]

Gyms open 12th April for User

OK it could have been worse i guess.

At least now i have a date to focus on and can work to maintain my muscle mass.

[arista]

4 tests to be met to loosen at each stage

Vaccination roll out continues to go well

Reduction in deaths and hospitalisations

Infection rates do not surge

No new variants



Yes Sounds good
but Variants will carry on appearing.

[LaLaLand]

My mood has instantly lifted after that.

I sure hope this really is the beginning of the end of all of this.

[arista]

SNP Leader
says Johnson has left the back door open to new variants
on International Planes arriving.

And should do what Scotland has done
every flight that lands is into a Hotel.

[Kate!]

What about cafes and shops?

[Cherie]

OK it could have been worse i guess.

At least now i have a date to focus on and can work to maintain my muscle mass.

oh I misread that as misshapen mass :hehe:

[Cherie]

We will be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee by 21 June apparently

[arista]

What about cafes and shops?


[15:46

Monday 12 April: Non-essential shops, hairdressers,
beauty salons, gyms, libraries, zoos,
museums, pubs, restaurants and bars
to reopen – but outside only and with just your household]

[Cherie]

What about cafes and shops?

12 April: Non-essential retail, hairdressers, nail salons, gyms and outdoor areas in hospitality venues (such as beer gardens) set to reopen - along with libraries, museums, zoos and theme parks. Self-contained accommodation will reopen, but people will only be able to stay with members of their household

• 17 May: Pubs, restaurants, cinemas, hotels, B&Bs and children's play areas set to open their doors once more, with fans allowed back into sporting events. Most rules on social contact outdoors will be lifted, while mixing of different households will be allowed indoors. Up to 30 people will be allowed at weddings, funerals, wakes, receptions and christenings

• 21 June: All legal limits on social contact set to be removed, with the remaining sectors of the economy reopened. Weddings are the only events where some restrictions may have to remain

Mr Johnson has already confirmed that all pupils will return to the classroom on 8 March.

Outdoor recreation with one other person will also be allowed from that date, meaning people can sit together in a park with a coffee, drink or picnic.

From 29 March, larger groups will be able to meet outside - including in private gardens - up to a maximum of six people or two households.

Tennis courts, golf courses and other outdoor sport facilities will also reopen on 29 March, which is the first Monday of the Easter holidays for most schools.

[arista]

We will be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee by 21 June apparently


But the Reviews before then
could have Data that changes that
to be more Realistic.

[Cherie]

But the Reviews before then
could have Data that changes that
to be more Realistic.

That is true, but we live in hope

[bots]

i think its a very measured plan, 6 weeks before pubs etc opening up means a good dollop of the population will have been vaccinated

[arista]

Jeremy Corbyn
Independent MP
was talking about the Dodgy Contracts that Hancock did.

[joeysteele]

Actually most of it is sensible.

Had he held schools off for a further 3 weeks, (I can't see the sense of them back for 3 weeks), that would have been a better route in my view.

I think all schools back in 2 weeks time, for 3 weeks is risky.
Too much so in my view.

However, I'll wait and see obviously.
No way do I think it wise to have all schools back however.

That's going to open more and more groups out in the community and in stores too.

[arista]

Next 7PM Live

10 Downing Street

Ch4HDnews
SkyNewsHD
BBC1HD
LBC
Radio 5

[Scarlett.]

The plans seem reasonable enough, though it is a bit early for him to say irreversible

[arista]

Live in a min

10 Downing St

Johnson/Whitty /Valance

[Zizu]

Actually most of it is sensible.

Had he held schools off for a further 3 weeks, (I can't see the sense of them back for 3 weeks), that would have been a better route in my view.

I think all schools back in 2 weeks time, for 3 weeks is risky.
Too much so in my view.

However, I'll wait and see obviously.
No way do I think it wise to have all schools back however.

That's going to open more and more groups out in the community and in stores too.



I was expecting a staged return .. .. younger primary children initially then check the stats after two or three weeks to see what difference that makes

Plus I’ve no idea how we as a school ( using our own staff members) are supposed to test over 1,200 pupils and well over 100 staff ... TWICE weekly ... as well as continuing with all the lessons !?!?



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[arista]

Ch4HDNews Live (they are covering 10 Downing St. Live)
says he has Labour backing.

[joeysteele]

I was expecting a staged return .. .. younger primary children initially then check the stats after two or three weeks to see what difference that makes

Plus I’ve no idea how we as a school ( using our own staff members) are supposed to test over 1,200 pupils and well over 100 staff ... TWICE weekly ... as well as continuing with all the lessons !?!?



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Yes, I'd have supported more a phased return too Zizu.

[Withano]

The UK death chart basically looks the same as the kids back to school chart so I’m not getting my hopes up

[arista]

Live 10 Downing St.


Johnson/Whitty/Vallance

[DouglasS]

Boris :worship:

[arista]

Prof Whitty is going over the Study work
saying how Vaccines is stopping older folks
go to Hospital.

[Cherie]

Eat dirt Macron AZ vaccine is 90% effective in over 80s

[arista]

Laura BBC
Asking 1st question


When will you say that Covid is over?

[Laura Kuenssberg from the BBC asks the PM - when will you be
prepared to say that 'this is over?' She also asks the scientists
about how many more deaths can we expect
when we relax rules.
She also asks what do they expect full vaccine uptake to be?

Mr Johnson says the roadmap takes us
on a one-way journey - and sets out his timetable to open
up once again,
and reiterates that he will be "guided by the science".

Prof Whitty says that talking about death numbers "isn't useful",
but says Covid will be added to the list of other
respiratory infections where deaths will continue to occur - and says this
will be a long-term problem, particularly in winter.

On vaccine uptake - Prof Whitty says vaccinating children is a
long way off, and says the priority is the adult groups.]

[arista]

Cheaky Sam of SkyNewsHD
says will he resign if he has to do another Lockdown.


Johnson says he hopes its irreversible

[Zizu]

Chris Whitty is adamant that schools are very safe places for CHILDREN but didn’t mention how safe the one million education STAFF are .... other than saying we are relatively safe COMPARED to professions working on the front line like doctors and nurses !!

That is not at all reassuring !


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[arista]

Chris Whitty is adamant that schools are very safe places for CHILDREN but didn’t mention how safe the one million education STAFF are .... other than saying we are relatively safe COMPARED to professions working on the front line like doctors and nurses !!

That is not at all reassuring !




At least older Kids will have to have a Mask on.

[arista]

It has now Concluded.

[joeysteele]

Chris Whitty is adamant that schools are very safe places for CHILDREN but didn’t mention how safe the one million education STAFF are .... other than saying we are relatively safe COMPARED to professions working on the front line like doctors and nurses !!

That is not at all reassuring !


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No it's not.
When he could say you were as very safe too rather than relatively safe, then open up.

Anyway the prediction and warning now is deaths will rise.
Sadly that seems a price worth paying to them to open up and lose yet more lives then.
Sorry but that disgusts me.

[Zizu]

At least older Kids will have to have a Mask on.



Only in the corridors I presume.. as it’s been for about 6 months ...


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[Zizu]

No it's not.

When he could say you were as very safe too rather than relatively safe, then open up.



Anyway the prediction and warning now is deaths will rise.

Sadly that seems a price worth paying to them to open up and lose yet more lives then.

Sorry but that disgusts me.



I wasn’t impressed with Sir Patrick either.. pointing out that schools will be back for three weeks and then it’s the Easter break . ... so at that time they can reassess the situation and see if it’s safe to lift more restrictions or NOT !!!!

That’s sounds like we ( the staff in education) are being used as guinea pigs .. once again


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[joeysteele]

I wasn’t impressed with Sir Patrick either.. pointing out that schools will be back for three weeks and then it’s the Easter break . ... so at that time they can reassess the situation and see if it’s safe to lift more restrictions or NOT !!!!

That’s sounds like we ( the staff in education) are being used as guinea pigs .. once again


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That thinking would have been more acceptable, just, had they done as you said, only had some schools back not all.

I agree, it does sound a guinea pig scenario, and that's dangerous and should'nt be acceptable.

[AnnieK]

Only in the corridors I presume.. as it’s been for about 6 months ...


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Its in the classrooms too this time Zizu

[Zizu]

Its in the classrooms too this time Zizu



Interesting.. where did you hear that please ?


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[AnnieK]

Boris said it.....its in all the news reports....let me.find you a link

[AnnieK]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/schools-face-masks-lockdown-boris-johnson-b1805710.html%3famp

[Zizu]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/schools-face-masks-lockdown-boris-johnson-b1805710.html%3famp



Thank you ...

It does say pupils will be ‘advised’ to wear masks though . ..

Oh well ... fingers crossed then ..

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[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C8C3/production/_117159315_thetimes-nc.png

[Kazanne]

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/categorically-denied-chris-whitty-hits-203752437.html

The gutter press with more lies, claiming he was at odds with the PM,exactly the reason they cannot be trusted with the truth

[Nicky91]

UK deserves to relax some measures i think, they've done their best to bring numbers down so

[Vicky.]

The pub/restaurant beer garden thing, is basically saying pubs/restaurants are closed until they can serve indoors to me. Even if we got a heat wave, most places, if they even have a beer garden, have like 2 tables or something. It will not be worth it, for the pubs to open to serve 2 tables of people. I mean, its nice to have some kind of plan, but that bits not been thouight through too much I think!

Schools all back at the same time sounds a bit disastrous, BUT...a hell of a lot of the high risk people have been vaccinated now. I know the second dose makes it a bit more effective, but the trials said smething along the lines of the second dose boosts it by 5% or something? So its not THAT much different really. Aslong as those who would get it badly are a bit safer, I honestly cannot see the problem even if we do get 'another wave'. Meaning of course, aslong as its not another dodgy mutation that can evade antibodies or something that causes the next wave. If its a strain that the vaccine is effective against (and it seems that most are) then...its just like a wave of flu/cold sweeping the country...assuming the vaccines do work as they say. If the vaccines do NOT protect that well against serious infection, then its a whole other story.

[bots]

the data is showing very high rates of protection from hospitalisation after 1 dose. I think the government have been very sensible in the loosening of restrictions. They were also right to get as many as possible the first jab as proven in the data.

[Vicky.]

the data is showing very high rates of protection from hospitalisation after 1 dose. I think the government have been very sensible in the loosening of restrictions. They were also right to get as many as possible the first jab as proven in the data.

Yeah it does look like they made the right call there like

As I say, this 'another wave' stuff...is not as disastrous as some seem to think it is, assuming that the vaccines are as sucessful as it looks like they are. Because if people stay away from hospitals and people are not dying, its basically just another cold type thing.

I think it said on the news its something like 95% of hospitalisations are being avoided because of the vaccine..which is bloody amazing really.

[Glenn.]

I dont know where you are getting your information from ,I am a teachers assistant and I got my jab last Friday,so they ARE getting them :shrug:

Unless you’re clinically vulnerable you aren’t able to receive a jab Kaz.

[Cherie]

Unless you’re clinically vulnerable you aren’t able to receive a jab Kaz.

Don't be so silly, that is fake news, how has Smithy got it then?

The TAs, teachers and management have all received it in our local special needs school

Are you saying they are all clinically vulnerable :facepalm:

[Cherie]

All the teachers at my son's school have had theirs too

Did you have any side effects Kaz?

yep all the staff at the school I used to work with have got them, some going back a few weeks but most in half term

and that is everyone, including management and admin staff

if fact they rolled out a limited supply in late January and some of the management helped themselves before the staff who are actually in classrooms with the children, and these children are special needs so do not know how to socially distance :skull:

.

[Glenn.]

Don't be so silly, that is fake news, how has Smithy got it then?

The TAs, teachers and management have all received it in our local special needs school

Are you saying they are all clinically vulnerable :facepalm:

All of the teachers that work with special needs schools have received it here also Cherie. Main stream teachers haven’t received them.

[Cherie]

All of the teachers that work with special needs schools have received it here also Cherie. Main stream teachers haven’t received them.

so what is your point to Kaz about then :shrug:

and have you a response to Annie whose son is in mainstream?

also do you think a 30 year old teacher should get a jab before someone who is 55 and works in a supermarket?

[Glenn.]

so what is your point to Kaz about then :shrug:

and have you a response to Annie whose son is in mainstream?

also do you think a 30 year old teacher should get a jab before someone who is 55 and works in a supermarket?

Everyone dealing with the public should get a vaccine.

And my point to kaz was that ALL teachers should be vaccinated before the schools open

[Kazanne]

Unless you’re clinically vulnerable you aren’t able to receive a jab Kaz.

Im not vunerable and Ive had it, so have others at our school.

[Glenn.]

Im not vunerable and Ive had it, so have others at our school.

You just said you work in a special needs school though haven’t you? That’s why you have had it.

A lot of teachers in my area have had to lie and say they work with special needs children to secure a jab.

There hasn’t been a program to specifically get teachers vaccinated.

[Cherie]

You just said you work in a special needs school though haven’t you? That’s why you have had it.

A lot of teachers in my area have had to lie and say they work with special needs children to secure a jab.

There hasn’t been a program to specifically get teachers vaccinated.

:skull:

But statisticians caution that the figures do not necessarily mean that their deaths were caused by the places they worked.

Male Covid deaths by occupation
These were the sectors with the highest death rates for men:

elementary occupations (manual labour) (66.3 deaths per 100,000 males in that sector; 699 deaths)

caring, leisure and other service occupations (64.1 deaths per 100,000 males in that sector; 258 deaths)

process, plant and machine operatives (52.8 deaths per 100,000 males; 827 deaths)

skilled trades occupations (40.4 deaths per 100,000 males; 848 deaths)

sales and customer service occupations (40.3 deaths per 100,000 males; 156 deaths)

administrative and secretarial occupations (39.0 deaths per 100,000 males; 186 deaths)

More specifically, these were the jobs with the highest death rates from Covid for men:

restaurant and catering establishment managers and proprietors (119.3 deaths per 100,000 males in that sector; 26 deaths)

metal working and machine operatives (106.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 40 deaths)

food, drink and tobacco process operatives (103.7 deaths per 100,000 males; 52 deaths)

chefs (103.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 82 deaths)

taxi and cab drivers and chauffeurs (101.4 deaths per 100,000 males; 209 deaths)

nursing auxiliaries and assistants (87.2 deaths per 100,000 males; 45 deaths)

elementary construction occupations (82.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 70 deaths)

nurses (79.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 47 deaths)

local government administrative occupations (72.1 deaths per 100,000 males; 23 deaths)

bus and coach drivers (70.3 deaths per 100,000 males; 83 deaths)

Female Covid deaths by occupation


process, plant and machine operatives (33.7 deaths per 100,000 females; 57 deaths)

caring, leisure and other service occupations (27.3 deaths per 100,000 females; 460 deaths)

elementary occupations (21.1 deaths per 100,000 females; 227 deaths)

More specifically, these were the jobs with the highest death rates from Covid for women:

social workers (32.4 deaths per 100,000 females; 25 deaths)

national government administrative occupations (27.9 deaths per 100,000 females; 26 deaths)

sales and retail assistants (26.9 deaths per 100,000 females; 111 deaths)

managers and directors in retail and wholesale (26.7 deaths per 100,000 females, 24 deaths)

nursing auxiliaries and assistants (25.3 deaths per 100,000 females; 54 deaths)

nurses (24.5 deaths per 100,000 females; 110 deaths

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/industries-covid-deaths-ons_uk_600e7695c5b6fe97669dd57d

so many people have gone out to work every day since the pandemic started and they wouldn't dream of lying to get a jab

[Glenn.]

If there was a program to get teachers vaccinated before being forced back to work then they wouldn’t have to lie.

[Cherie]

If there was a program to get teachers vaccinated before being forced back to work then they wouldn’t have to lie.

They are plenty people who go out to work every day unvaccinated, wait your turn, a 30 year old teacher does not take priority over a 55 year old supermarket worker

[Zizu]

All of the teachers that work with special needs schools have received it here also Cherie. Main stream teachers haven’t received them.



It’s a different picture wherever you look I’m 63 in a few weeks and I’ve worked in a mainstream high school supporting Autistic and Aspergers teenagers for 25 years ..

I haven’t had an offer of a vaccine and none of our staff have either ..

I’m only getting mine done tonight ( hopefully) because my wife is getting hers and they offered one to me as well .


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[Zizu]

They are plenty people who go out to work every day unvaccinated, wait your turn, a 30 year old teacher does not take priority over a 55 year old supermarket worker



Guess it’s a quandary ..

Second school teaching staff are crammed into a smallish classroom along with up to 33 teenagers and maybe two other adults.. . for around 5 hours per day

That’s scary given teenagers are mixing freely out of school .... masks are rarely worn ..


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[Zizu]

Everyone dealing with the public should get a vaccine.



And my point to kaz was that ALL teachers should be vaccinated before the schools open



I agree... especially given they could apparently have done everyone over a weekend ..

Sadly won’t be happening..


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[Nicky91]

Everyone dealing with the public should get a vaccine.

And my point to kaz was that ALL teachers should be vaccinated before the schools open

No :idc:

[user104658]

As I say, this 'another wave' stuff...is not as disastrous as some seem to think it is, assuming that the vaccines are as sucessful as it looks like they are. Because if people stay away from hospitals and people are not dying, its basically just another cold type thing.

I think it said on the news its something like 95% of hospitalisations are being avoided because of the vaccine..which is bloody amazing really.

I made your "if" bigger :umm2: a 3rd wave, if one comes, is IMO likely to be in late October again and (obviously) we have no data about the extent that vaccines will reduce hospitalisation/death at the 6 month+ mark... only in the short term (as people have only been vaccinated en masse for a couple of months).

It does look hopeful though and I agree, the numbers to watch beyond next Autumn, post-vaccine, will be hospitalisations and deaths with total infections becoming a less important statistic. That's not to say an unimportant statistic of course... if the vaccines only prevent severe illness but do little to limit general circulation, the chance of mutation remains high and vaccine tweaks/need for re-vaccination will be needed to stop a repeat. Severe illness being way down in a huge win, but reduced overall infection rates will always be important looking further ahead. Imagine if things look fine until October 2022 and then they're like "Wups everyone back home, we need new vaccinations" :omgno:.

[Nicky91]

there will be a third wave, not an ''if''

because of relaxing the measures too soon again

[user104658]

there will be a third wave, not an ''if''

because of relaxing the measures too soon again

Yes but the "if" was "if" there are fewer hospitalisations associated with infections, then a 3rd wave is less of an issue.

[Alf]

Who's been Vaccinated so far? Have you?

Do they send for us when it's our turn or do we have to make an appointment?

[LaLaLand]

Who's been Vaccinated so far? Have you?

Do they send for us when it's our turn or do we have to make an appointment?

Depends your age, where you live and what you do I believe.

Elderly relatives of mine got called by the doctor with an appointment to go whereas my sister and her colleagues (front line workers) had to book online themselves.

[user104658]

Depends where you live and what you do I believe.

Elderly relatives of mine got called by the doctor with an appointment to go whereas my sister and her colleagues (front line workers) had to book online themselves.

That's been my experience too, most over-65's seem to have been contacted by their GP whereas my wife was sent an email to her NHS email address informing that the vaccine was available to staff in her Trust area, and had to contact to book.

People do "slip through the net" though and I've heard of elderly people (even 85+ year olds) having to chase up their GP for an appointment, having heard nothing. Sometimes will be due to outdated contact details held by the GP, sometimes administrative errors. It's inevitable really when something is being done on a scale of millions.

[Alf]

I think I was in the last category to receive it, which I didn't mind. I just don't know if they'll send for me or not, because if not then I probably won't end up taking it, if it's left down to me, I tend to put things off.

To be honest, I don't ever watch the mainstream media, so I don't have much of a clue what's going on, the entire subject of Covid, bores me immensely.

[AnnieK]

That's been my experience too, most over-65's seem to have been contacted by their GP whereas my wife was sent an email to her NHS email address informing that the vaccine was available to staff in her Trust area, and had to contact to book.

People do "slip through the net" though and I've heard of elderly people (even 85+ year olds) having to chase up their GP for an appointment, having heard nothing. Sometimes will be due to outdated contact details held by the GP, sometimes administrative errors. It's inevitable really when something is being done on a scale of millions.

My Dad got a call from a booking line and then received a letter a week after he had had the jab from his own GP.

[LaLaLand]

I think I was in the last category to receive it, which I didn't mind. I just don't know if they'll send for me or not, because if not then I probably won't end up taking it, if it's left down to me, I tend to put things off.

To be honest, I don't ever watch the mainstream media, so I don't have much of a clue what's going on, the entire subject of Covid, bores me immensely.

Ring your GP and they’ll probably give you an appointment in the next week or so. :fc:

[Cherie]

Guess it’s a quandary ..

Second school teaching staff are crammed into a smallish classroom along with up to 33 teenagers and maybe two other adults.. . for around 5 hours per day

That’s scary given teenagers are mixing freely out of school .... masks are rarely worn ..


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Its supply and demand, if you are over 50 you will be called by 15th April

[Cherie]

Ring your GP and they’ll probably give you an appointment in the next week or so. :fc:

Why would he do that if he is not in the group next in line :shrug:

Have your Mam and Dad been called Alf?

[Parmy]

I think balham and streatham think the lockdowns over.

[LaLaLand]

Why would he do that if he is not in the group next in line :shrug:

Have your Mam and Dad been called Alf?

Oh my mistake I thought he meant he was in the last group as in the group who have just had the jabs! :omgno: sorry Alf! :joker:

[Cherie]

Oh my mistake I thought he meant he was in the last group as in the group who have just had the jabs! :omgno: sorry Alf! :joker:

I was like :oh:

If anyone has been missed and they are over 64 they can book it on here

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

[LaLaLand]

I was like :oh:

If anyone has been missed and they are over 64 they can book it on here

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

:joker: Sorry Cherie!! :hehe:

[Alf]

Why would he do that if he is not in the group next in line :shrug:

Have your Mam and Dad been called Alf?I think my Mother has, I know my mother's husband went and had his today. My Dad has probably had his, he's almost 75. But I haven't spoken with him in over a month. I might give him a text later.

[Cherie]

:joker: Sorry Cherie!! :hehe:

:laugh:

[Cherie]

I think my Mother has, I know my mother's husband went and had his today. My Dad has probably had his, he's almost 75. But I haven't spoken with him in over a month. I might give him a text later.

My son got his appt by text, just depends on your surgery I think whether you get a letter or a text