Landmark report says UK is 'a model to the world' NOT RACIST on diversity [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

Crimson Dynamo

31-03-2021, 10:50 AM

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Britain's race revolution: Landmark report says UK is 'a model to the world' on
diversity, describes us as a 'successful multi-ethnic community'... and finds NO
evidence of institutional racism

Major review concluded Britain is a model of a successful multi-ethnic society
Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities was set up by the PM Boris Johnson
The review said Britain's success should be a model for white-majority countries
But it also warned UK is not 'a post-racial society' and 'outright racism persists'

Britain is a model to the world of a successful multi-ethnic society, a major
review concluded last night.

It found no evidence the UK is institutionally racist – in a rejection of the
common view among some activists - although there is evidence that 'overt'
prejudice exists.

The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, set up by Boris Johnson in
the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests, concluded that although Britain
is not yet a 'post-racial society', its success should be a model for white-
majority countries.

Commission chairman Tony Sewell said the UK had progressed into a
'successful multi-ethnic and multicultural community' which was a 'beacon to
the rest of Europe and the world'.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/30/23/41147230-9420563-image-a-9_1617143132189.jpg
Go home you are wrong

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9420563/Britains-race-revolution-Landmark-report-says-UK-model-world-diversity.html

No wonder everyone wants to come here

Smithy

31-03-2021, 10:58 AM

government doesn't like it when people say institutional racism exists appoints a panel of people who don't believe institutional racism exists, and they've produced a report which argues that institutional racism doesn't exist.

Colour me shocked

Toy Soldier

31-03-2021, 11:00 AM

"But it also warned UK is not 'a post-racial society' and 'outright racism persists' "

On balance, I don't think it can be denied that the UK does better than most white-majority countries on race issues, but that shouldn't be mistaken for perfection, or for a justification that no further work needs to be done.

Oliver_W

31-03-2021, 11:17 AM

I bet that "doctor" Shola who's on GMB from time to time had a right bitchfit over this :joker:

The UK isn't perfect, nowhere is, but if anywhere should be the standard-setter, it should be here.

Marsh.

31-03-2021, 11:28 AM

Marsh.

31-03-2021, 11:38 AM

I bet that "doctor" Shola who's on GMB from time to time had a right bitchfit over this :joker:

The UK isn't perfect, nowhere is, but if anywhere should be the standard-setter, it should be here.

Oliver: I'll gloat about how anti-racist I am by mocking a black woman.

Oliver_W

31-03-2021, 11:41 AM

Oliver: I'll gloat about how anti-racist I am by mocking a black woman.

I'm un-racist enough to not reduce someone to their skin colour, and to not give them special treatment for it.

Marsh.

31-03-2021, 11:43 AM

I'm un-racist enough to not reduce someone to their skin colour, and to not give them special treatment for it.

Oliver: I don't reduce someone to their skin colour.

Also Oliver: Selects black woman to mock in a thread about racism.

Oliver_W

31-03-2021, 11:46 AM

Oliver: I don't reduce someone to their skin colour.

Also Oliver: Selects black woman to mock in a thread about racism.

And if it were a thread about crazy pronoun use, I'd use Benjamin Butterworth as an example.

Rob!

31-03-2021, 11:52 AM

Oh well if the Daily Mail says we're not a racist country, it must be true.

bots

31-03-2021, 11:55 AM

it all depends on the scope of the investigation. It doesn't really mean anything

Ammi

31-03-2021, 11:57 AM

Oh well if the Daily Mail says we're not a racist country, it must be true.

....Rob, this is a Daily Mail headline...Daily Mail headline this is our Rob...I’ll leave you two to chat and get to know each other a little...

https://imgix.ranker.com/user_node_img/50083/1001648323/original/dolphinately-strange-photo-u2?auto=format&fit=crop&fm=pjpg&w=375&q=60&dpr=2

UserSince2005

31-03-2021, 11:57 AM

Glad this has finally been clarified.

The statistics speak for themselves.

Time to start giving the disadvantaged white population a leg up.

The Slim Reaper

31-03-2021, 12:07 PM

Meanwhile the 2021 policy objectives of the ruling Tories line up perfectly with the 1970's national front.

Crimson Dynamo

31-03-2021, 12:29 PM

Oh well if the Daily Mail says we're not a racist country, it must be true.

its in all the papers so take your pick :amazed:

(papers just report news, they dont do government reports)

Amy Jade

31-03-2021, 12:32 PM

This very forum has shown outrageous racism ever since I can remember so all I can imagine is they asked a certain demographic to get the result they wanted.

Mitchell

31-03-2021, 12:38 PM

Commission chairman Tony Sewell said the UK had progressed into a
'successful multi-ethnic and multicultural community' which was a 'beacon to
the rest of Europe and the world'.

Bigot supports other bigots shocker

Mitchell

31-03-2021, 12:40 PM

This very forum has shown outrageous racism ever since I can remember so all I can imagine is they asked a certain demographic to get the result they wanted.

Spot on.

Tom4784

31-03-2021, 12:41 PM

If only people put as much effort into acknowledging racism as they do denying it, then the lies they peddle could actually be the truth one day.

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 12:42 PM

If the Daily Mail says it then it must be true. The millions of black people must be making it up . :shrug:

Cherie

31-03-2021, 12:42 PM

This very forum has shown outrageous racism ever since I can remember so all I can imagine is they asked a certain demographic to get the result they wanted.

Spot on.

Maybe you two could elaborate further on these claims? links, posts, etc

thanks in advance

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 12:44 PM

And they must have been making it up for decades. So glad this has come out so the UK can never worry abou r acism ever again.

Serious point. Who did this study and who did the speak to? Seems a bit too sure for my liking

Amy Jade

31-03-2021, 12:52 PM

Why should I supply links for you? If you can't see blatant racism it's not up to me to find examples for you especially on a forum that deletes offensive posts.

Ammi

31-03-2021, 01:04 PM

...so Tony Sewell who has apparently previously stated that he doesn’t believe there is any institutionalised racism in existence was commissioned by Boris to lead the report to support that there is no institutionalised racism in existence..?...that doesn’t sound an unbiased person if he’s expressed very definite views and hey ho, look at what the report is saying...exactly fitting his own beliefs...?...

Cherie

31-03-2021, 01:11 PM

This bit seems to be buried at the bottom of the piece

But it also warned UK is not 'a post-racial society' and 'outright racism persists'

Liam-

31-03-2021, 01:11 PM

Oh, minorities are allowed to live around white people, racism solved folks

Oliver_W

31-03-2021, 01:48 PM

Why should I supply links for you? If you can't see blatant racism it's not up to me to find examples for you especially on a forum that deletes offensive posts.

In that case I can say you're the most racist person on this entire website. Me saying that with no proof holds as much water as your baseless claim.

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 01:50 PM

Maybe you two could elaborate further on these claims? links, posts, etc

thanks in advanceIf you've never seen any racism on here then that fine but surely you can see that if you've never seen anything then its going to be pretty much impossible for someone to convince you. Gotta say I hate that argument - I have seen any so then it doesn't exist. :shrug:

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 01:52 PM

In that case I can say you're the most racist person on this entire website. Me saying that with no proof holds as much water as your baseless claim.
See my reply to Cherie. if you cant see it then its going to be almost impossible for someone to show you. Its an easy cop out and a familiar argument.

Ammi

31-03-2021, 01:52 PM

...it’s such a bizarre and weird concept that a report is commissioned to measure whether institutionalised racism exists or not and that’s what we’re basing society on...I mean, we can see it and hear it and be totally aware of it but it’s like that Little Britain clip....’computer says no’...oh, okay then, if a report tells us so then well...it just doesn’t exist, does it....everyone who was ever subjected to it or witnessed it etc...was just mistaken because computer says no so that must be that of that...and we’re total individuals are we if our mindset is ‘well a report led up by someone who doesn’t believe the existence of, says so...’...so that’s our gage...

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 01:53 PM

So does anyone actually think this study has any weight?

Ammi

31-03-2021, 01:55 PM

So does anyone actually think this study has any weight?

...personally I think that a report to state that there is no institutionalised racism has been asked for so that’s what’s been given...why else would someone be asked to lead up the report who has already stated that they don’t believe in its existence...these are how our political wheels roll, I feel...

Ammi

31-03-2021, 01:56 PM

...well, not just politics, in other things when a slant is needed for a purpose to fit with an agenda...

Tom4784

31-03-2021, 01:59 PM

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 01:59 PM

...personally I think that a report to state that there is no institutionalised racism has been asked for so that’s what’s been given...why else would someone be asked to lead up the report who has already stated that they don’t believe in its existence...these are how our political wheels roll, I feel...:clap1:

For a report on such a nuanced subject to be so emphatic speaks volumes.

Cherie

31-03-2021, 02:00 PM

If you've never seen any racism on here then that fine but surely you can see that if you've never seen anything then its going to be pretty much impossible for someone to convince you. Gotta say I hate that argument - I have seen any so then it doesn't exist. :shrug:

Considering the article says this

But it also warned UK is not 'a post-racial society' and 'outright racism persists'

I didn't know what point she was making, any perceived racism on the forum is dealt with, she appeared to be saying that it wasn't which was my point

I have seen more racism toward Irish travellers than anything else on this forum tbh so people in glass houses and all that..not you

I realise this is a very Arista way of putting things lol

Ammi

31-03-2021, 02:00 PM

It is impossible to see air, therefore it must not exist!

...should we just accept that or should we commission a report, do you reckon....?...

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 02:03 PM

Considering the article says this

But it also warned UK is not 'a post-racial society' and 'outright racism persists'

I didn't know what point she was making, any perceived racism on the forum is dealt with, she appeared to be saying that it wasn't which was my point

I have sent more racism toward Irish travellers than anything else on this forum tbh so people in glass houses and all that..not youI've seen the comments about the Irish too. So you actually see it when it toward the Irish people eh. Interesting. Good to know. :thumbs:

Tom4784

31-03-2021, 02:03 PM

...should we just accept that or should we commission a report, do you reckon....?...

We should commission a report, but only if it finds our beliefs to be 'true!'

Cherie

31-03-2021, 02:04 PM

I've seen the comments about the Irish too. So you actually see it when it toward the Irish people eh. Interesting. Good to know. :thumbs:

I didn't say that, I said I saw 'more'

not getting into this dance Girth, have a great day

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 02:04 PM

...should we just accept that or should we commission a report, do you reckon....?...A report to say Britain is not racist at all but we'll bury any rationality in a couple of sentences at the end.

GiRTh

31-03-2021, 02:06 PM

I didn't say that, I said I saw 'more'

not getting into this dance Girth, have a great daySo you're measuring the amount are you? Yeah lets end this discussion.

The Slim Reaper

31-03-2021, 02:31 PM

I've seen members call themselves alt-right on here, I've seen asylum seekers called trash, and If we were allowed to discuss deleted posts I could highlight some serious racism.

arista

31-03-2021, 02:32 PM

Meanwhile the 2021 policy objectives of the ruling Tories line up perfectly with the 1970's national front.

No Way

The Slim Reaper

31-03-2021, 02:35 PM

No Way

It's true Arista. I posted the 70's nf poster in the "just tory things" thread.

The Slim Reaper

31-03-2021, 02:40 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoePDfgXcAMGL92.jpg

Cherie

31-03-2021, 02:45 PM

So you're measuring the amount are you? Yeah lets end this discussion.

Think it’s more that its not quite as taboo and causes little outrage so hangs around in threads longer :shrug:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/a37byb/the-uks-last-acceptable-form-of-racism-isnt-going-away

Alf

31-03-2021, 03:31 PM

Non racists would celebrate this news

Racists would be angry at this news.

Beso

31-03-2021, 03:48 PM

The british people puting the great, back into Great Britain.

Beso

31-03-2021, 03:52 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoePDfgXcAMGL92.jpg

We give our fair share of international aid, and we happily continue to do so.

Just last week we had the news of the troops being cut..

Nothing wrong with wanting the great in Great Britain to actually mean something.

We have increased immigration....and nobody wants corporal punishment brought back..unless you've heard it mentioned in the house of commons?

Nicky91

31-03-2021, 03:54 PM

The british people puting the great, back into Great Britain.

too many immigrants it isn't a ''great'' britain, as one of our politicians Pim Fortuyn once said ''full is full'' but he got murdered by some democrat lunatic bc of those views

The Slim Reaper

31-03-2021, 04:08 PM

We give our fair share of international aid, and we happily continue to do so.

Just last week we had the news of the troops being cut..

Nothing wrong with wanting the great in Great Britain to actually mean something.

We have increased immigration....and nobody wants corporal punishment brought back..unless you've heard it mentioned in the house of commons?

Cutting 60-70% from foreign aid.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jan/26/uk-cut-overseas-aid-budget-costs

Troops being cut as we're ramping up our nuclear arsenal at a cost of around £200b

Priti is pro capital punishment

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/12/a-return-of-the-death-penalty-would-just-be-the-latest-tory-attack-on-human-rights

Amy Jade

31-03-2021, 04:52 PM

In that case I can say you're the most racist person on this entire website. Me saying that with no proof holds as much water as your baseless claim.

That's fine call me racist if it makes you happy. In my heart of hearts I know it's not true and your opinion holds absolutely no value to me or anyone else who can see you for what you are.

Oliver_W

31-03-2021, 05:12 PM

who can see you for what you are.

:joker:

And what am I?

Crimson Dynamo

31-03-2021, 05:15 PM

That's fine call me racist if it makes you happy. In my heart of hearts I know it's not true and your opinion holds absolutely no value to me or anyone else who can see you for what you are.

Oliver is a good and coherent poster is what he is

and i am sure many will agree

jet

31-03-2021, 05:19 PM

Oliver is a good and coherent poster is what he is

and i am sure many will agree

Agreed!

Beso

31-03-2021, 05:45 PM

Cutting 60-70% from foreign aid.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jan/26/uk-cut-overseas-aid-budget-costs

Troops being cut as we're ramping up our nuclear arsenal at a cost of around £200b

Priti is pro capital punishment

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/12/a-return-of-the-death-penalty-would-just-be-the-latest-tory-attack-on-human-rights

Priti is Asian, what else did you expect.:shrug:

Tom4784

31-03-2021, 08:44 PM

Yeah! Britain isn't racist at all! We're a land of perfect equality and peace-

Priti is Asian, what else did you expect.:shrug:

https://media.tenor.com/images/2fb4dbf6ef2f18eab15331ac8e8b166d/tenor.gif

DouglasS

31-03-2021, 09:00 PM

:joker:

And what am I?

My mum said you are what you eat

Beso

31-03-2021, 09:53 PM

Yeah! Britain isn't racist at all! We're a land of perfect equality and peace-

https://media.tenor.com/images/2fb4dbf6ef2f18eab15331ac8e8b166d/tenor.gif

It's well known fact that bame......a word that shouldn't be used now btw, a word that blacks, asians and minority ethnic dont want used anymore.:nono:

So I will say Asian mothers.

It's a well known fact that Asian mothers allow the fathers to discipline the kids.

My mother did the same, and she was all for the belt at school.so I'm using my life experience of 51 years to make my judgement.

How old are you? Are you stuck in the middle again, age wise this time. Still with no sort of proper life experience yet, but sharing a voice and the hope of eternal youth with the youth of today. For what?

pissing of old folk?..

well I know your game, and I know myself.

Come do my job with me Dezzy for a week,:shrug:

arista

01-04-2021, 01:23 AM

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Tom4784

01-04-2021, 03:13 AM

It's well known fact that bame......a word that shouldn't be used now btw, a word that blacks, asians and minority ethnic dont want used anymore.:nono:

So I will say Asian mothers.

It's a well known fact that Asian mothers allow the fathers to discipline the kids.

My mother did the same, and she was all for the belt at school.so I'm using my life experience of 51 years to make my judgement.

How old are you? Are you stuck in the middle again, age wise this time. Still with no sort of proper life experience yet, but sharing a voice and the hope of eternal youth with the youth of today. For what?

pissing of old folk?..

well I know your game, and I know myself.

Come do my job with me Dezzy for a week,:shrug:

That's a whole lot of **** that doesn't really explain or justify why you chose to respond to Priti Patel favouring the death penalty with 'well, she's asian?'.

Also, pretty much all your assumptions about me were wrong as well as patronising and stereotypical. Age does not bring wisdom and acting like anyone younger than you somehow lacks life experience only proves that to be true.

Crimson Dynamo

01-04-2021, 08:28 AM

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david lammy :joker:

Kazanne

01-04-2021, 08:32 AM

We are not perfect ,but it's a great country to live that is why so many people want to come and live here, and we are far better than a lot of other countries, we are at least trying to right some wrongs but I really don't think the BLM movement helped in it at all .I don't think we are inherently racist at all .

Oliver_W

01-04-2021, 08:37 AM

We're probably the closest to perfect there currently is ... Where's better ?

Ammi

01-04-2021, 09:57 AM

Boris Johnson's most senior black adviser to step down in May
Number 10 sources reject claims Samuel Kasumu's resignation is linked to a much-criticised report on racial disparities...

The prime minister's most senior black adviser is to step down from his role in Number 10.

Samuel Kasumu will leave his post as special adviser for civil society and communities in May.

The news comes a day after a government-backed review of racial disparities in Britain was published.

The Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities' 258-page report was criticised for being "steeped in denial".

But Number 10 sources have rejected reports that Mr Kasumu's resignation, first reported by Politico, was linked to this.

...full article...

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-most-senior-black-adviser-to-step-down-in-may-12262454

Alf

01-04-2021, 10:13 AM

Alf Garnett did more for race relations than any other Britain.

He made "the bigot" a laughing stock. Nobody wanted to be a bigot after Alf's portrayal, he held a mirror up to them.

Sadly, they took him of the telly and never showed him again, and then things started going to sh!t.

Alf Garnett should be on the national curriculum.

arista

01-04-2021, 10:18 AM

arista

01-04-2021, 10:21 AM

david lammy :joker:

How Stupid of bloody LBC
to put him as the Guest presenter week 10AM
he is no good on radio.

Good job we have Times Radio
Live a 10AM

Livia

01-04-2021, 11:06 AM

We're probably the closest to perfect there currently is ... Where's better ?

I agree.

At my school in the East End, the black boys fought the Asians generally. I really don't remember too much black/white racism. I remember a student murdered at Newham College, an African boy stabbed by Asian Muslims. It's so much more complicated than black and white.

arista

02-04-2021, 12:02 AM

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Ammi

02-04-2021, 06:00 AM

joeysteele

02-04-2021, 07:42 AM

GMB's Alex Beresford quits social media over racist abuse after Piers Morgan row...

https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/celebrity-news/gmbs-alex-beresford-quits-social-23835065

...some things can’t be made true by selectively collecting data...I wonder how many actual stories were ‘collected’ in the making of the report...

That's very true, your last paragraph.

I fear this report has probably been just that, a loaded selective one to suit.

It's clear it's going to create more division than satisfy justly.

arista

02-04-2021, 07:59 AM

Kazanne

02-04-2021, 08:43 AM

What other country do those that don't like it here want to live in ?

Oliver_W

02-04-2021, 09:20 AM

GMB's Alex Beresford quits social media over racist abuse after Piers Morgan row...

https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/celebrity-news/gmbs-alex-beresford-quits-social-23835065

...some things can’t be made true by selectively collecting data...I wonder how many actual stories were ‘collected’ in the making of the report...

Social media, twitter especially, is just a toxic wasteland; one man getting some mean comments (via an American website) doesn't mean the country is institutionally racist.

If people object to the reported findings, maybe they could find some proof of institutional racism faced by citizens?

Crimson Dynamo

02-04-2021, 09:52 AM

Yes Alex is blamed by many for getting Piers gone.
Of Course, he is the one that Got Piers to walk out for a few mins.

He was Presenting GMBHD itv, with Charlotte Hawkins
today. He is Lightweight, compared to how Piers was.

the guy is a jerk and was bang out of order pretending to know what Piers was thinking

I note he was not reprimanded for his hissy fit

wonder why

:whistle:

Crimson Dynamo

02-04-2021, 11:34 AM

Kazanne

02-04-2021, 11:59 AM

Still waiting to see where those that don't like it here would prefer to live.

jet

02-04-2021, 12:00 PM

Still waiting to see where those that don't like it here would prefer to live.

Same here. :wavey:

Cherie

02-04-2021, 12:00 PM

Still waiting to see where those that don't like it here would prefer to live.

Saudi?

Toy Soldier

02-04-2021, 12:13 PM

“If you don’t like it, you can always leave!” was the catchphrase of my 6th form head whenever anyone questioned how he was running things.

He was a ****ing idiot.

Crimson Dynamo

02-04-2021, 12:19 PM

“If you don’t like it, you can always leave!” was the catchphrase of my 6th form head whenever anyone questioned how he was running things.

He was a ****ing idiot.

he wasnt wrong though was he

:hee:

GiRTh

02-04-2021, 12:38 PM

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top comment:
leinaddf
3 hours ago
Well said. I'm an immigrant and worked since I arrived here. Now I've finished my training ang works in NHS and with a good team in ICU, working with every colour. My managers are white, brown and black. It's not all about the colour, it's how you perform.Have you watched this?

He appears to just repeat himself several times that there is racism in the institutions but the institutions aren't racist. A point, I think, he needs to elaborate on but instead he just repeats it. What do you think he says that's important?.

jet

02-04-2021, 12:43 PM

“If you don’t like it, you can always leave!” was the catchphrase of my 6th form head whenever anyone questioned how he was running things.

He was a ****ing idiot.

Snotty teenagers think their form heads are idiots as a matter of course. Then they grow up and realize they were snotty teenagers....:hee:

GiRTh

02-04-2021, 12:45 PM

Almost forgot, that bloke - no idea who he is or why he's relevant - says he's experienced a 'tiny' bit of racism. Whats a 'Tiny' bit of racism? and in comparison what would be a 'large' bit of racism?

Great vid LT. :thumbs:

Toy Soldier

02-04-2021, 12:48 PM

Snotty teenagers think their form heads are idiots as a matter of course. Then they grow up and realize they were snotty teenagers....:hee:

I’m 36 jet the man was an idiot. The same still applies. If you don’t like aspects of a job, you can try and get the manager to change them before you walk off and if the manager isn’t open to discussion and says “if you don’t like it leave!” they are an idiot. You can want to improve the country you live in. Saying “if you don’t like everything exactly as it is then bugger off” is destructive, undemocratic, and anti-patriotic. :hee:

jet

02-04-2021, 02:58 PM

I’m 36 jet the man was an idiot. The same still applies. If you don’t like aspects of a job, you can try and get the manager to change them before you walk off and if the manager isn’t open to discussion and says “if you don’t like it leave!” they are an idiot. You can want to improve the country you live in. Saying “if you don’t like everything exactly as it is then bugger off” is destructive, undemocratic, and anti-patriotic. :hee:

There can always be improvements, but how is the way things are going nowadays going to improve anything? Do ‘the ‘UK is institutionally racist! Ott Warrior types think for example that throwing the accusation ‘racist’ around simply because some people dislike someone or people losing their jobs because they don’t believe what a mixed race person says is going to improve things or make them worse?

They must be thick if they think that kind of OTT behavior is going to lead to improvements. IMO they don’t care about improvements, they just want a reason to bring people and their country down.That is destructive and undemocratic.
Those that do this, don't put forward ideas on HOW to improve things, how to change minds that need changed, they just use accusations and aggressiveness which is totally counter - productive.

Toy Soldier

02-04-2021, 03:03 PM

There can always be improvements, but how is the way things are going nowadays going to improve anything? Do ‘the ‘UK is institutionally racist! Ott Warrior types think for example that throwing the accusation ‘racist’ around simply because some people dislike someone or people losing their jobs because they don’t believe what a mixed race person says is going to improve things or make them worse?

They must be thick if they think that kind of OTT behavior is going to lead to improvements. IMO they don’t care about improvements, they just want a reason to bring people and their country down.That is destructive and undemocratic.
Those that do this, don't put forward ideas on HOW to improve things, how to change minds that need changed, they just use accusations and aggressiveness which is totally counter - productive.

If there are issues, and you think other people's reactions and solutions to those issues are not going to work or even be counter-productive, surely the sensible thing to do is point out how/why you think those solutions are counter-productive or even contribute to the debate other ways in which you think things could be tackled, productively...

... ... the answer isn't just denying that the issue exists in the first place and bleating that anyone who has a problem with things "can just go live elsewhere" :think:

Liam-

02-04-2021, 03:04 PM

Well, if you don’t like our racism, you can bloody well bugger off can’t you

jet

02-04-2021, 03:19 PM

If there are issues, and you think other people's reactions and solutions to those issues are not going to work or even be counter-productive, surely the sensible thing to do is point out how/why you think those solutions are counter-productive or even contribute to the debate other ways in which you think things could be tackled, productively...

... ... the answer isn't just denying that the issue exists in the first place and bleating that anyone who has a problem with things "can just go live elsewhere" :think:

My solution is they should STOP doing it that way for a start. Do you think the examples I cited are going to work?

I didn't deny issues exist, but there isn't a country in the world that doesn't have issues, we are better than many. If people just want to complain and be aggressive instead of being part of the solution, go to a country that you would be happier living in.

Toy Soldier

02-04-2021, 03:24 PM

My solution is they should STOP doing it that way for a start. Do you think the examples I cited are going to work?

I didn't deny issues exist, but there isn't a country in the world that doesn't have issues, we are better than many. If people just want to complain and be aggressive instead of being part of the solution, go to a country that you would be happier living in.

Pointing out the problem is part of the solution, people who don't like the problem being pointed out are acting from a place of being defensive and defensiveness is never the solution... it's an emotional reaction to feeling personally attacked. Feeling personally attacked when someone criticises your country is, in my opinion, a sign of the "worse" side of nationalism. It's certainly not patriotism.

Jordan.

02-04-2021, 03:45 PM

well this is the least racist country I can think of so why try be any better :rolleyes: - this thread

bots

02-04-2021, 04:07 PM

Crimson Dynamo

02-04-2021, 04:09 PM

The commission's report concluded that the UK is not yet a "post-racial
country" - but its success in removing race-based disparity in education and, to
a lesser extent, the economy, "should be regarded as a model for other
white-majority countries".

I hope these other countries learn from our success

"In a statement issued after the report was published, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said it was "right" that ministers now consider its recommendations in detail and assess "the implications for future government policy".

He added: "The entirety of government remains fully committed to building a fairer Britain and taking the action needed to address disparities wherever they exist."

Toy Soldier

02-04-2021, 04:21 PM

all we can realistically do is compare ourselves against other countries. People were quick enough to use that when discussing covid afterall. If there are other countries that are seen as better, then please name them.

It isn't all we can realistically do though! Even if we were literally the best in the world on this, what sort of reasoning is "Yeah there are still problems but who cares, we're better than everywhere else so let's stop trying to tackle those problems".

Why wouldn't it be "Wow we're doing great on this, but there are areas to keep looking at so let's do that".

How is it constructive to view it as a competition? In fact there's little if any reason to compare ourselves to other countries at all, other than to identify the things we're getting right in comparison, and to borrow ideas that might help in areas that still need work.

Honestly I just don't get the argument at all. If a kid goes to their school teachers and says "I'm being bullied", does the headmaster unveil a whiteboard with facts and figures showing that actually that school has the best record on anti-bullying of all the schools in the area and then insist that - with that in mind - this kid CANNOT possibly be being bullied, because it's not a school where much bullying happens, and if he doesn't like that reply he can bugger off elsewhere and "see how he likes it there"?

Or does he say, "We pride ourselves on being against bullying so we're going to stamp out the bullying that still exists here".

You'd hope for the latter and I apply the exact same logic here.

If Britain is one of the least racist countries in the world, then when remaining instances of racism are pointed out we should WANT TO STAMP IT OUT, because that's something to be proud of! What sort of reaction is "Umm we are not racist and if you think so you can **** off somewhere else". Just nonsense.

bots

02-04-2021, 04:25 PM

It isn't all we can realistically do though! Even if we were literally the best in the world on this, what sort of reasoning is "Yeah there are still problems but who cares, we're better than everywhere else so let's stop trying to tackle those problems".

Why wouldn't it be "Wow we're doing great on this, but there are areas to keep looking at so let's do that".

How is it constructive to view it as a competition? In fact there's little if any reason to compare ourselves to other countries at all, other than to identify the things we're getting right in comparison, and to borrow ideas that might help in areas that still need work.

Honestly I just don't get the argument at all. If a kid goes to their school teachers and says "I'm being bullied", does the headmaster unveil a whiteboard with facts and figures showing that actually that school has the best record on anti-bullying of all the schools in the area and then insist that - with that in mind - this kid CANNOT possibly be being bullied, because it's not a school where much bullying happens, and if he doesn't like that reply he can bugger off elsewhere and "see how he likes it there"?

Or does he say, "We pride ourselves on being against bullying so we're going to stamp out the bullying that still exists here".

You'd hope for the latter and I apply the exact same logic here.

If Britain is one of the least racist countries in the world, then when remaining instances of racism are pointed out we should WANT TO STAMP IT OUT, because that's something to be proud of! What sort of reaction is "Umm we are not racist and if you think so you can **** off somewhere else". Just nonsense.

and yet after all of the fluff you typed above, you still haven't named a country that is better

Toy Soldier

02-04-2021, 04:29 PM

and yet after all of the fluff you typed above, you still haven't named a country that is better

Did you even read it? I was saying it's irrelevant, it doesn't matter. I haven't looked. If we are the best in the world, that doesn't mean we've "won" and get to stop trying to improve. Having less institutional racism than elsewhere doesn't mean we have none, or that people should "just be grateful it's better here than elsewhere". If it still happens at all it still happens too much and people should shine a spotlight on it, and anyone who is not themselves complicit in racism should be happy to HAVE a spotlight shone on it.

Jordan.

02-04-2021, 04:47 PM

all we can realistically do is compare ourselves against other countries. People were quick enough to use that when discussing covid afterall. If there are other countries that are seen as better, then please name them.

Why don't you start us off by explaining how comparing ourselves is all that can be realistically done to tackle racism? I'm sure we'll be waiting longer for that reply than someone needlessly naming a "better" country.

Alf

02-04-2021, 05:08 PM

Social media, twitter especially, is just a toxic wasteland; one man getting some mean comments (via an American website) doesn't mean the country is institutionally racist.

If people object to the reported findings, maybe they could find some proof of institutional racism faced by citizens?It might be a toxic wasteland, but it's nothing compared to the television. That is evil and deceitful and a place for the powerful to control.

Tom4784

02-04-2021, 05:36 PM

and yet after all of the fluff you typed above, you still haven't named a country that is better

An embarrassing response that shows that you didn't even read the post you quoted.

It doesn't matter if we've got the best approach to racism in the world, if there's areas to improve upon, pointing out that other countries are worse won't fix that problems, it just fuels our constant national arrogance and delusion.

To go back to the covid example you brought up earlier, it doesn't matter that we're vaccinating more people than most countries, it doesn't change the fact that the government's inaction led us to some of the highest death numbers in the world at points during this pandemic, being on top of a table doesn't mean we can't do better.

I'm so bored of nationalism, Covid and racism is not the ****ing premier league. Stop treating it as such.

Crimson Dynamo

02-04-2021, 05:54 PM

An embarrassing response that shows that you didn't even read the post you quoted.

It doesn't matter if we've got the best approach to racism in the world, if there's areas to improve upon, pointing out that other countries are worse won't fix that problems, it just fuels our constant national arrogance and delusion.

To go back to the covid example you brought up earlier, it doesn't matter that we're vaccinating more people than most countries, it doesn't change the fact that the government's inaction led us to some of the highest death numbers in the world at points during this pandemic, being on top of a table doesn't mean we can't do better.

I'm so bored of nationalism, Covid and racism is not the ****ing premier league. Stop treating it as such.

Simply untrue. I have posted a link to a Cambridge epidemiology professor who says the complete opposite. You have no idea about if the government did this or that deaths would be up or down; noone has.

It may be your opinion but that is all it is.

jet

02-04-2021, 07:00 PM

Pointing out the problem is part of the solution, people who don't like the problem being pointed out are acting from a place of being defensive and defensiveness is never the solution... it's an emotional reaction to feeling personally attacked. Feeling personally attacked when someone criticises your country is, in my opinion, a sign of the "worse" side of nationalism. It's certainly not patriotism.

That is little to do with my first post or the question I asked you after you responded to it. I don't feel personally attacked if someone criticizes the UK and never indicated I did.

Beso

02-04-2021, 07:51 PM

Saudi?

Or Qatar, where all these idiot footballers taking a knee for BLM every week are praying to get too for the next world cup.

Toy Soldier

02-04-2021, 09:17 PM

That is little to do with my first post or the question I asked you after you responded to it. I don't feel personally attacked if someone criticizes the UK and never indicated I did.

You asked “are those methods going to work” and I replied that “pointing out the problem is part of the solution” - that was my answer.

jet

03-04-2021, 12:15 AM

You asked “are those methods going to work” and I replied that “pointing out the problem is part of the solution” - that was my answer.

Yes, I asked were these methods going to work:
Do ‘the ‘UK is institutionally racist! Ott Warrior types think for example that throwing the accusation ‘racist’ around simply because some people dislike someone or people losing their jobs because they don’t believe what a mixed race person says is going to improve things or make them worse?

You answered: “pointing out the problem is part of the solution”
..........
Could you expand on how doing these things are part of the solution? because I just don't get your reasoning here or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean.

Ammi

03-04-2021, 06:25 AM

...this is an interesting article under the heading of six reports in four years but what actions have been taken...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53053661

Crimson Dynamo

06-04-2021, 07:54 PM

current Talk radio poll

Is Britain a racist country

NO 85%

87,000 votes

Crimson Dynamo

08-04-2021, 10:46 AM

Support for the praiseworthy conclusions of the Sewell Report is needed

The baseless abuse from the Left was predictable - but the silence
from the Government on its own race review is disappointing

More than a week has passed since the committee on race in Britain
commissioned by Boris Johnson reported its findings and the silence from the
Government is deafening. Encouragingly, the report found the UK’s record to
be praiseworthy while acknowledging that much still needed to be done to
improve the life chances of ethnic minorities and of some white working class
people as well.

The reaction from those who make their living from fomenting divisions in
society was predictable. They have spent the past week seeking to denigrate
the report’s findings and the committee members, notably its chairman Dr
Tony Sewell. Bizarrely, he has been likened to a member of the Ku Klux Klan
or a Nazi.

When opponents stoop to outlandish slurs you know they have no real case
to make. Why are they so desperate to discredit this report rather than see it
as an opportunity to build on the progress that has already been made?

Dr Sewell, interviewed by Liam Halligan in the Telegraph, says he has a fairly
thick skin and is resistant to such abuse. Moreover, as he stresses, the
report does not deny that racism exists but rather suggests the disparities
people face, whether in education or employment or health care, have
myriad causes, not just one.

Most objectively minded people would regard this as a perfectly reasonable
approach that does not attempt to brush aside the issue but offers some
practical solutions based on the data. The Government has yet to respond
formally to this report and Dr Sewell says that privately he is encouraged by
“positive soundings”. But he deserves those to be heard publicly, too.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/04/08/support-praiseworthy-conclusions-sewell-report-needed/

Livia

08-04-2021, 11:24 AM

Everyone on the Left is outraged by this report, while upholding there was never any anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. Because that's not real racism, is it.

The Slim Reaper

08-04-2021, 11:29 AM

Everyone on the Left is outraged by this report, while upholding there was never any anti-Semitism in the Labour Party. Because that's not real racism, is it.

Couple of facts.

No one said antisemitism doesn't/didn't exist in the labour party.

antisemitism within labour is lower than society as a whole.

I raised this same point albeit for different reasons; right wingers can't tell us there's no racism when they've been screaming about labour since Corbyn gave them a scare.

The Slim Reaper

11-04-2021, 10:54 AM

Well then...

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The Slim Reaper

11-04-2021, 02:22 PM

Racists always get ahead of themselves to jump on anything that might initially appear favourable to them, until the eventual facts always drip out.

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Ammi

11-04-2021, 02:28 PM

...not a made to measure, built to fit...u wanna report ‘ere guvnor, I got some nice ones you’ll like ‘em.../type thing...?...surely not, surely...

Tom4784

11-04-2021, 02:42 PM

Well, well, well.

The silence certainly is deafening.

Ammi

11-04-2021, 02:45 PM

....we got some nice headphones as well, guv’nor...u want nice headphones...?...made to order and fit ‘specially for that noise level....

GiRTh

11-04-2021, 03:25 PM

Any level headed person knew this report was a bit too good to be true, but people got to hear what they wanted to hear. :shrug:

Alf

11-04-2021, 04:20 PM

Well then...

1381171056807829505You can't trust Downing Street, it's full of Tories.

Crimson Dynamo

11-04-2021, 05:32 PM

not people still cross we are an inclusive and welcoming country?

colour me shocked

Tom4784

11-04-2021, 06:05 PM

Imagine having the author and experts saying that Downing Street interfered with the report and still believing the report they put out.

It's sad how so many people in the UK seem to fear reality so much that they choose to abandon it and seek refuge in their preferred fiction. It's sad how people choose a comforting lie over the truth. I only hope one day, they can find the courage to rejoin the rest of us in reality.

Alf

11-04-2021, 06:08 PM

The Slim Reaper

11-04-2021, 06:12 PM

Yes, let's return to reality.

Show me the figures, stats, data

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417

They sent around 3,200 fake job applications for both manual and non-manual jobs - including chefs, shop assistants, accountants and software engineers - in response to adverts on a popular recruitment site between November 2016 and December 2017.

All of the fictitious candidates were British citizens, or had moved to the UK by the age of six, and had identical CVs, covering letters and years of experience.

While 24% of white British applicants received a call back from UK employers, only 15% of ethnic minority applicants did.

Compared to White British applicants, people of:

Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications
Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications
Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications

Crimson Dynamo

11-04-2021, 06:19 PM

here is Doctor Tony, a black man, talking about the report wot he done

:spin:

JAsEZuDgjS8

The Slim Reaper

11-04-2021, 06:21 PM

Why not put his full name so people can actually see who he is and find out he came into this report with a conclusion he's been peddling for years?

Crimson Dynamo

11-04-2021, 06:21 PM

Dr Tony Sewell: ‘When people are this desperate to silence you, you must be saying
something true’

The study was compiled by 10 independent commissioners – nine of whom are
black or Asian. Sewell himself is the London-born son of Jamaican parents, part
of the Windrush generation who came to Britain in the 1950s.

Yet this exhaustive 258-page data-driven report finds that, when it comes to
the life chances of the 13 per cent of the UK population from ethnic minorities,
“impediments and disparities do exist, but are varied and ironically very few of
them are directly to do with racism”. The commissioners “no longer see a
Britain where the system is deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities,” the
report concludes. “Britain should be seen as a model for other white-majority countries”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/07/dr-tony-sewell-people-desperate-silence-must-saying-something/

top DT comment:

What a refreshing voice of reason. A big part of the problem is this ingrained
idea of perpetually playing the victim, aided and abetted by the hard left
desperate for a good client base of dependency.

Multiculturalism has totally failed ethnic minorities and it’s more than time it
was discarded.

The Slim Reaper

11-04-2021, 06:27 PM

The point you know you're missing, is that they were brought in to write this report because they'd been saying the same things in newspapers for years beforehand. No serious academic study would do that, especially when others who were supposed to be involved were marginalised and used as fronts.

And why not post your own opinions on a forum? If we want to read DT comments we can go to the site.

Alf

11-04-2021, 06:27 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417

They sent around 3,200 fake job applications for both manual and non-manual jobs - including chefs, shop assistants, accountants and software engineers - in response to adverts on a popular recruitment site between November 2016 and December 2017.

All of the fictitious candidates were British citizens, or had moved to the UK by the age of six, and had identical CVs, covering letters and years of experience.

While 24% of white British applicants received a call back from UK employers, only 15% of ethnic minority applicants did.

Compared to White British applicants, people of:

Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications
Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications
Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applicationsDo it was a set up, with the aim to find racism at any cost, and would you believe it, they just happened to find what they were looking for.