Israel-Gaza violence escalates : Hamas fires 1,000's rockets towards Israel

[arista]

[So Far
2 Israeli's have Died

26 Palestinians have been killed.

Hamas, which controls Gaza, said it was acting
to defend Jerusalem's al-Aqsa mosque
from Israeli "aggression and terrorism"
after the site, which is holy to Muslims and Jews,
saw clashes between Israeli police and
Palestinians on Monday that left hundreds injured.]


[Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
said Hamas had "crossed a red line"
by firing rockets towards Jerusalem for
the first time in years and that
Israel would respond "with great force".
The Israeli military's Chief of Staff, Lt Gen
Aviv Kochavi, warned its forces to
prepare for the expansion of the operation
in Gaza "with no time limit".]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57066275

[This is Crazy with Covid-19 effecting more
Palestinians.]

Now is not the time for another Mini War.


https://news.sky.com/story/israel-launches-airstrikes-on-hamas-military-targets-in-gaza-strip-as-it-responds-to-rocket-attacks-12303188

[Oliver_W]

But Palestine needs to be freed, and a two state solution is the perfect way forward :rolleyes:

The first thing Palestine needs to be freed from is Hamas.

[Tom4784]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/n8zkhn/imagine_if_muslims_stormed_the_vatican_and_let/

[arista]

But Palestine needs to be freed, and a two state solution is the perfect way forward :rolleyes:

The first thing Palestine needs to be freed from is Hamas.


Yes but Hamas are Staying put.


So we are stuck again,

[Beso]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/n8zkhn/imagine_if_muslims_stormed_the_vatican_and_let/

Stun grenades and tear gas. In retaliation to missile throwing from within the mosque.

[Crimson Dynamo]

These vile terrorists must be stopped

Its the poor Israeli families I worry for not knowing when a terror bomb will strike

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

''[Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
said Hamas had "crossed a red line"
by firing rockets towards Jerusalem for
the first time in years and that
Israel would respond "with great force".''



aka hypocrite Netanyahu, how much blood have you got on your hands already


in this Israeli-Palestine conflict, both sides are to blame, but israel is just good at pretending they are the saints here :idc:

[Samm]

Israel's slow genocide of Palestine, I don't know why people are arguing that Palestine are fighting back if your land is getting bombed would you just sit there and take it?

[arista]

Israel has a special System that halts many
of 300 Rocket bombs fired at them.

But a few got through.


Killing 2 Women.

[Nicky91]

Israel has a special System that halts many
of 300 Rocket bombs fired at them.

But a few got through.


Killing 2 Women.

more blood on dictator netanyahu's hands

[Tom4784]

To everyone who is turning this into a black and white issue where Palestine = EVIL TERRORISTS, watch this video. Acknowledge the cost of human life, acknowledge the pain.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/n9t6f4/a_palestinian_child_mourns_over_the_death_of_his/

[UserSince2005]

Hamas love nothing more than using their people as human shields. When a child dies they see it as an opportunity to get public sympathy. I feel sorry for the Palestinians who are used by them.

Long live Israel, and may you continue to civilise those lands.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To everyone who is turning this into a black and white issue where Palestine = EVIL TERRORISTS, watch this video. Acknowledge the cost of human life, acknowledge the pain.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/n9t6f4/a_palestinian_child_mourns_over_the_death_of_his/

Reddit?��

That bastion of truth

Er


No

[Tom4784]

Reddit?��

That bastion of truth

Er


No

Just like the last link I posted it's a video, as I said in the post you quoted but apparently did not read properly. . If you're so sure of your views on Palestine to call them 'vile terrorists', why are you looking for reasons not to watch this video?

[Ammi]

…the pain of that child in the loss of life of part of his family, that’s not a childhood that he should ever be living but it’s a childhood that sadly many do live…we just can’t ever imagine in our own worlds…and to label or dismiss as ‘vile terrorists’ just devalues and dismisses what is lived everyday for some…what is their ‘norm’….I’ve actually followed a few related discussions on Reddit and while of course, it’s just a sharing of views and opinions/ a discussion site…the thoughts on this are always informative, always respectful and all very much in consideration of the terrifying situation and the very complex situation and the heart rendering life loss of innocents…and they’re genuine discussions and sharing of views on this complicated subject…this isn’t a situation of black and white as Dezzy said or of good and bad or right or wrong …it’s more an incredibly sad situation that as with the child in the video …some are born to have as such a part of their lives…

…I recall some very informative posts and very real posts from our own y.winter, who obviously has spent his life in Israel and is very much aware of the complexities with innocents entwined within and between those complexities …and basically he followed the same vein of thoughts that discussions on other sites I’ve seen, follow….that this isn’t a situation to attach ‘good and evil’ to ….or ‘vile terrorism’ to….

[Nicky91]

5 deaths Israel

35 deaths Palestine

in this sole conflict alone, many more deaths over the years for Palestine


hmmmm and still thinking Palestine are evil



but yeah good propaganda for dictator netanyahu i guess to make them look like the ''heroes'' against the ''terrorists''

[Oliver_W]

Not every conflict has good guys and bad guys. But if it did, the good guys wouldn't be the ones firing missiles from schools and hospitals, and using civilians as human shields.

[Niamh.]

Not every conflict has good guys and bad guys. But if it did, the good guys wouldn't be the ones firing missiles from schools and hospitals, and using civilians as human shields.I don't know a lot about this conflict but aren't Israel pushing the Palestinians off their land? If so are they not expected to fight back?

[UserSince2005]

Hamas have been know to kill Palestinians and blame Israel, Women or Children they don't care.

[UserSince2005]

Having been to Israel, including Jerusalem as well as the West Bank, I feel I know this situation better than people who haven't.

[Nicky91]

Hamas have been know to kill Palestinians and blame Israel, Women or Children they don't care.

who you hear that from, part of Netanyahu's propaganda


a president whom does not care about any innocent collateral damage as long as they can drive palestinians out of the country

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't know a lot about this conflict but aren't Israel pushing the Palestinians off their land? If so are they not expected to fight back?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-52756427

this "explains" it all

[Nicky91]

''Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says''

i didn't read any further after that, don't care about what he says

[UserSince2005]

who you hear that from, part of Netanyahu's propaganda


a president whom does not care about any innocent collateral damage as long as they can drive palestinians out of the country

https://www.dci-palestine.org/palestinian_children_being_used_as_human_shields

[Nicky91]

https://www.dci-palestine.org/palestinian_children_being_used_as_human_shields

don't believe that, probably paid by some of netanyahu's military commanders


same as i don't believe netanyahu is really that popular he wins those elections over and over again

[Ammi]

Having been to Israel, including Jerusalem as well as the West Bank, I feel I know this situation better than people who haven't.

…we had a member…(…I say ‘had’ only because he hasn’t posted since 2018…)…who has lived the situation in Israel his whole life…when he posted regarding it…?…even though it could be said that he would have a ‘bias’ view in favour of his homeland in Israel…?…his words were always that it was complicated and layered with no clear ‘wrong or right’….that’s also similar to most things I’ve read of any more depth knowledge on the situation than I have…it seems like a very fair and reasoned opinion as well…

[arista]

Now it is

5 Israelis have Died in total, so far.

And around 40 Palestinians have been killed.

[Ammi]

…something that I read when reading some discussions regarding the subject which seemed to be agreed by all taking part…


‘If you study the conflict for 1 hour the Israeli's are clearly right. If you study the conflict for a dozen hours the Palestinians are clearly right. If you study it any longer, you no longer know who is right.’

[UserSince2005]

Now it is

5 Israelis have Died in total, so far.


Wow this is really getting horrendous. More needs to be done.

[Crimson Dynamo]

JOB is debating this now on LBC

https://www.lbc.co.uk/

[arista]

JOB is debating this now on LBC

https://www.lbc.co.uk/


That Left Winger
is upsetting all the callers.


Hamas is the problem.

[Beso]

I think usersince has just called

[Crimson Dynamo]

typcal job

the guy said i lived there for 20 years so maybe i know a bit more about it than you

JOB cuts him off and then has the cheek to say "just becuase you lived there 20 years does not make you an expert5 and know more about it than anyone else|"

NO James he specifically said YOU

typical tactic by JOB - reframe the narrative cut the caller off and then rant and rant about the new JOB take on what was said

[arista]

The Israel Ambassador
is Live on SkyNewsHD All Out Politics

[bots]

typcal job

the guy said i lived there for 20 years so maybe i know a bit more about it than you

JOB cuts him off and then has the cheek to say "just becuase you lived there 20 years does not make you an expert5 and know more about it than anyone else|"

NO James he specifically said YOU

typical tactic by JOB - reframe the narrative cut the caller off and then rant and rant about the new JOB take on what was said

i've heard of a jobby, but who is the JOB you are referring to

[Beso]

i've heard of a jobby, but who is the JOB you are referring to

Just keep thinking jobby, cause that's what he is...one big jobby.

The most annoying man on radio...james o brian.

[arista]

i've heard of a jobby, but who is the JOB you are referring to


The Left Winger James

[Crimson Dynamo]

i've heard of a jobby, but who is the JOB you are referring to

https://images.lbc.co.uk/images/42138?crop=16_9&width=660&relax=1&signature=dxkh5W4xQVAH9tFk6GVxRpSSlho=

[Crimson Dynamo]

Corbyn was at a mob gathering of Pro Palestine supporters yesterday....

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/12/08/42873004-9569781-Former_Labour_Jeremy_Corbyn_was_also_in_attendance _addressing_th-a-35_1620806201342.jpg

:whistle:

[arista]

Yes, Typical of Independent MP Corbyn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bitter internal squabbles are nothing new in Labour – nor is obsessing about
the Middle East. But the average voter in Hartlepool might have been
somewhat bemused that Starmer this week issued a one-sided denunciation
of Israel, amid the worrying escalation of violence in the region. “Israel must
respect international law,” he tweeted on Monday evening. “They must take
steps, immediately, to work with Palestinian leaders to de-escalate tensions”.


This curiously partisan analysis points the blame squarely at Israel. It implies
that Palestinian leaders are waiting patiently by the phone, ready to de-
escalate at the first hint of dove-like overture from the Israelis – rather than
participating enthusiastically in this conflict, with their own motives for
stirring violence at an already tense time. And which leaders? His
predecessor’s “friends in Hamas”, the ones presently firing hundreds of
rockets into Israel, often from civilian areas? Or perhaps Fatah, and President
Abbas, who hope further rioting will provide an excuse to call off an election
they know they would lose.

The situation in Israel is far more complex, and contested, than the Leader of
the Opposition suggests. Yet the simplistic oppressor/victim narrative around
Israel has always appealed to Labour’s factions; uniting Utopian Corbynistas
and the worthy Starmerite soft-Left alike. BBC apparatchiks, with a similar
mindset and attendant blindspots, are equally prone to this framing of
events. After a week which has asked the Labour Party a string of existential
questions, a retreat to this familiar comfort blanket must seem hugely
appealing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/11/labour-retreating-leftist-comfort-zone/

[arista]

1392422943712595968

Yes you have reported on this Zone
for many years.

Why Tweet this
Are you going to Israel or not
Can your BBC Producer not find out??

[Tom4784]

Amnesty International's brief summarisation of just some of Israel's human rights abuses.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

[UserSince2005]

Amnesty International's brief summarisation of just some of Israel's human rights abuses.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

Will have to cancel my monthly donation to them.

[Oliver_W]

Corbyn was at a mob gathering of Pro Palestine supporters yesterday....

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/12/08/42873004-9569781-Former_Labour_Jeremy_Corbyn_was_also_in_attendance _addressing_th-a-35_1620806201342.jpg

:whistle:

Was any accountability aimed at Palestine, or were they pretending they were innocent in all this?

[Tom4784]

Will have to cancel my monthly donation to them.

A strong person accepts the truth for what it is, a weak person never will.

[Braden]

This is obviously a complex issue that probably requires more nuance on both sides of the debate, but what grinds my gears is how so many slacktivists on the left decide to make Palestine their priority whenever it becomes part of the mainstream news cycle.

[arista]

Iran has been supplying Hamas
with Hit Tech Rocket bombs
some can defeat the Israel Iron Dome Defence System.

Ref:Foreign Affairs Writer, Tim Marshall
Live on SkyNewsHD.

[arista]

Netanyahu is now only Care Taker Leader.
He is due in Court, soon.


Tim Marshall
also said Watch the Israel Bombs
they are hitting those Hi Tech Iran supplied
rocket bombs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is obviously a complex issue that probably requires more nuance on both sides of the debate, but what grinds my gears is how so many slacktivists on the left decide to make Palestine their priority whenever it becomes part of the mainstream news cycle.

Like the Labour leader did having a go at Israel at the weekend

[arista]

Iran has been supplying Hamas
with Hit Tech Rocket bombs
some can defeat the Israel Iron Dome Defence System.

Ref:Foreign Affairs Writer, Tim Marshall
Live on SkyNewsHD.



The Hamas Leader has stated they will Fight Back Hard.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Full scale war incoming....

[arista]

what should he then have said, surrender (and they will get murdered by dictator netanyahu anyway)


Look Iran is Supplying
Hi Tech Rocket Bombs
Hamas is Firing so many at one go
some get through and Murder Israeli Public.


No one would surrender
but it will have to end, at some future point.




President Biden
is very distant,

[arista]

[At least 56 people have been killed in Gaza
including 14 children, and 6 in Israel.
At least 335 have been wounded,
according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health.]

[Hamas was Firing 1,000 Iran Supplied Rockets at a time]


Hamas has now said it will go into talks,

SkyNewsHD. Live

[arista]

65 Palestinians have now died

Senior Hamas commander killed in airstrike

[Beso]

The sun is running a skyline web cam from Gaza and twl Aviv if anyone ghoulish enough to watch it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

65 Palestinians have now died

Senior Hamas commander killed in airstrike

yes they wiped out about 7 Hamas terrorists in one strike - a whole military wing

good news and great shot

[Oliver_W]

1392496742822776839

Queen Wonder Woman :love:

[arista]

NewsnightHD BBC2
showed how it got this point

A Jewish Court Evicted some Arab Residents
Then a Religious Jewish group wanted to march through that Zone.
(Thats when it all went wrong).


Lt. Colonel Jonathon Conricus (Israel Defence Forces Spokeperson)
An 6 year Israeli Boy was killed by a Direct Hamas Rocket.
More than 1000 Rockets.

In a Military Sense
they will not halt their attacks
until Hamas stop's firing Rockets.

Hamas cancelled their Elections
just before all this started.

[arista]

A clip of President Biden. (On NewsnightHD BBC2)

He said Israel
has a right to defend itself.

So this War will now carry on.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/13/02/42922586-0-image-m-12_1620869235485.jpg

[Palestinian HAMAS have stockpiled enough missiles
to continue bombing Israel for the next two months]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9572543/Gaza-facing-war-UNs-grim-warning-Israelis-Palestinians-vow-ramp-fighting.html


7 Now Dead in Israel
but over 65 Dead in Palestinian.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/0C4C/production/_118484130_thetimes1305.png

[arista]

Biden siding with the dictator



No, wrong Palestinians have rights to defend themselves, to fight for their freedoms


Nicking Run by HAMAS
a bunch of Terrorists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas


Also, USA is Funding Israel

[Cherie]

very sad situation on both sides, Israel had a triumphant vaccine roll out and are now in another nightmare, Eid Murbaruk today so should be a day of festival for Palestine

[bots]

maybe Netanyahu also lied about that, i mean that ****** does everything for his own good propaganda

:idc:

Nicky, ive said this before, but please stop quoting silly propaganda you have taken from twitter, it's not who you are, and it makes you look bad

[Livia]

I have to say, page three of a thread about Israel/Palestine, with some excellent comments and real discussion. I haven't seen this for a long time.

[Livia]

don't care if it makes me look bad, but i've always had these views on this specific conflict


and not just netanyahu but also ones before him, Israel messed up here, they are the ones who do not recognize palestinians as independent people, they are the ones who want to drive them out for a very very very long time now


sorry i post my honest opinions on here, and i've not taken this from twitter either (but if there are other people on there who think same as me, good for them)


Hamas are bad yes, but lets not look away at the bloodshed on Israel's hands

You're posting "honest opinions" that you've formed from God knows what. Honestly Nicky, take some time to look deeper into it.

[arista]

Again
Left Winger LBC
is Winding up the Callers

He is saying the Numbers of Deaths
matter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

soooo ur supposed to say, the far right israel should get their way all the time, and take more land for their own, while palestinians cannot fight for their own freedoms


Livia no, i stick to my opinions

but you support Putin's attempt to take over Ukraine against the wishes of the people of Ukraine?

:bored:

[arista]

"Hamas are bad yes"

Well Done Nicky
getting that right

[Livia]

soooo ur supposed to say, the far right israel should get their way all the time, and take more land for their own, while palestinians cannot fight for their own freedoms


Livia no, i stick to my opinions

It's not a black and white issue Nicky. If you knew a little more about it, you'd understand that.

[arista]

1392832918477811712

[Nicky91]

but you support Putin's attempt to take over Ukraine against the wishes of the people of Ukraine?

:bored:

i am not pro-putin though



i love Ukrainian people more myself

[bots]

israel have shown a lot of restraint so far given the provocation. Israel has the fire power to easily end this quickly, but it won't be pretty

[Tom4784]

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/israel-soldier-palestine-instagram-story/

[Tom4784]

I don't think Israel have ever shown restraint, not doing what they usually do and murder a bunch of palestinian civilians in response shouldn't be praised because not engaging in such retaliatory violence should be the bare minimum.

Given the west's acceptance of Israel's frequent human rights abuses of the palestinian citizenry, the only way I can see this conflict ending is in the genocide of the palestinians which is obviously completely unacceptable.

[Ammi]

At least three rockets fired from south Lebanon towards Israel, security forces confirm…


At least three rockets have been fired from Lebanon towards Israel, the Israeli military has confirmed.

The military said the rockets landed in the Mediterranean Sea, causing no damage or casualties.

It said after the rocket attack “according to protocol no sirens were sounded.”

The rockets were launched from the Qlaileh area north of Naqoura, near the border with Israel.

Israel’s public broadcaster Kann news said residents in Western Galilee report hearing explosions.

Citing security sources, Lebanese media reported that Palestinian factions were likely behind the firing of several rockets from south of the coastal city of Tyre.

Lebanon’s Al-Jadeed news channel cited sources saying the rocket launched from southern Lebanon were not fired from Hezbollah platforms.

Meanwhile, Lebanese media also reported Israeli warplanes were flying over southern Lebanese regions.

Israel has been trading fire with Palestinian Islamist group Hamas this week in their worst hostilities for years.

Israel fought a 2006 war against Hezbollah guerrillas, who have sway in southern Lebanon and advanced rockets, though the border has been mostly quiet since then.

Small Palestinian factions in Lebanon have fired sporadically on Israel in the past.



https://uk.yahoo.com/news/least-three-rockets-fired-south-185013547.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

njEeRTekraU

[Tom4784]

I'm not clicking on a video of someone who has to debate teenagers to make himself look good and thinks that a wet vagina is a medical condition.

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/5/14/d37a0fc9-6bc6-41d9-ac3c-4eb04ada06b9.jpg

This striking image shows Israel's Iron Dome anti-missile system in action on the left, and rockets fired overnight towards Israel from Beit Lahia in the northern Gaza Strip on the right.

While the most significant weaponry in the Palestinians' arsenal is their wide variety of ground-to-ground missiles, Israel is the vastly more powerful player.

Its air force, armed drones and intelligence-gathering systems enable it to strike targets in Gaza pretty much at will

[arista]

Yes that Iron Dome System
has saved lives.

Hamas will get more Hi Tec Rockets from Iran.
1,800 fired already

Israel Using Fighter Jets has Bombed
Hamas Tunnels
last night.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/CF45/production/_118516035_guardian-nc.png

[Vanessa]

This is horrible.
I can't even watch those videos. So may innocent people dying.
It's just so upsetting. :sad:

[bots]

lets not forget that hammas are a terrorist organisation that have been firing rockets at israel civilians and using the residents in palestine as human shields while they do it

[Livia]

true the victims on Israel's side are innocent, all blood on hands of that vile Netanyahu


but i am not clicking on that video, never liked that biased bloke

No, don't listen to a Jew. What would he know about Israel. Stay ignorant. It's bliss, I hear.

[Livia]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/5/14/d37a0fc9-6bc6-41d9-ac3c-4eb04ada06b9.jpg



How many Israelis would be dead if they didn't have that system?

[Livia]

imagine defending Netanyahu's plans


getting rid of palestinian people to make space for jews to live there instead


:umm2:

You make yourself sound idiotic Nicky.

[joeysteele]

This is all desperately sad, I've always felt more needed to be done to bring about the 2 Nation solution hopefully.

However, I've never faltered in my view, Israel are not the warmongering Nation some deem them to be.

They are a Nation surrounded by enemies.

Yes, there's wrongs on both sides, there always will be on these sad conflicts.
However I still come down to the right of Israel to defend itself.
I'm not saying they do all that's right, then again neither do the other side too.

[Livia]

This is all desperately sad, I've always felt more needed to be done to bring about the 2 Nation solution hopefully.

However, I've never faltered in my view, Israel are not the warmongering Nation some deem them to be.

They are a Nation surrounded by enemies.

Yes, there's wrongs on both sides, there always will be on these sad conflicts.
However I still come down to the right of Israel to defend itself.
I'm not saying they do all that's right, then again neither do the other side too.

I know you and I don't talk anymore, but I just want to say how refreshing it is to see someone on the Left looking and the WHOLE picture.

[Livia]

Palestine has the full right to defend itself too, you don't have to take it at all to be forced from your homes

I'm putting you on ignore now Nicky, your posts are uninformed and irritating.

[Nicky91]

I'm putting you on ignore now Nicky, your posts are uninformed and irritating.

:clap1:

[Livia]

:clap1:

Your sig is insulting and ridiculous. Don't talk to me again Nicky.

[joeysteele]

I know you and I don't talk anymore, but I just want to say how refreshing it is to see someone on the Left looking and the WHOLE picture.

I appreciate that, thank you.

[Nicky91]

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/these-are-the-victims-of-the-hamas-rocket-attacks-667968

some of the victims

:sad: :(

[Nicky91]

this conflict just has to end already, has been going on for far too long


just get rid of Hamas from the country, and you can steer the innocent palestinian people into giving them freedom, and a chance to live in peace


the Hamas terrorists want nothing but chaos, also that they just innocents as human shields is disgusting

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/2001hanona1/status/1393543026203635718

[Nicky91]

LUWxQhnmyw4

[Tom4784]

At the end of the day, Israel is guilty of Apartheid and Human Rights abuse. Both are undeniable and is recognised by several different authorities on these issues. Hamas are just as bad, but it's the palestinian citizenry that are being targetted, abused and killed. I believe the latest war crime Israel have comitted, has been an air strike on a refugee camp, killing 10 people (8 of which were children).

Israel won't stop until they commit genocide against the palestinian populace. I honestly believe that, because no one will stop them, and the world will be happy to watch innocent civilians die because we can just think 'oh well, they're probably terrorists anyway.'

[Tom4784]

Apparently Israel have purposefully airstriked Al Jazeera News. They gave warning befirehand but now the building is gone, along with all the private homes the building housed.

[arista]

Apparently Israel have purposefully airstriked Al Jazeera News. They gave warning befirehand but now the building is gone, along with all the private homes the building housed.


Yes other Media also use the same building
renting rooms
BBC do.


Good job all got out

[arista]

Big March in London to the Israel Embassy
going on now

[Tom4784]

Yes other Media also use the same building
renting rooms
BBC do.


Good job all got out

It's just yet another war crime comitted by Israel, I suppose at least they didn't actually kill any journalists this time. I'm glad this wasn't the 16th instance of a journalist dying to Israel's violence.

[Nicky91]

HwXCYYPZP8c

[arista]

It's just yet another war crime comitted by Israel, I suppose at least they didn't actually kill any journalists this time. I'm glad this wasn't the 16th instance of a journalist dying to Israel's violence.


Yes some of those 16 were able to bring
out New Equipment, ready to go into their press vans.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Big March in London to the Israel Embassy
going on now

carefully arranged by the extreme left with plenty pre-printed banners no doubt

[arista]

carefully arranged by the extreme left with plenty pre-printed banners no doubt


Yes something like that.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think printing them afterwards would be a pretty stupid thing to do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course who was speaking to the baying crowd but Abbott and Corbyn....


:skull:

[The Slim Reaper]

Imagine having a compulsion that forces you to follow my posts by going on about Corbyn, whilst being an adult.

:skull:

[Oliver_W]

njEeRTekraU

Oh come on, Shapiro is up there with Navaro Media :joker:

[arista]

Before this all started
The Leader of Israel was to go to Court
he is currently a care taker leader.
A new Leader was to take over.

Also HAMAS was to call an Election.


All this has halted
because of these military attacks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Oliver_W]

Also HAMAS was to call an Election.


All this has halted
because of these military attacks.

That'll be why Hamas started the recent attacks.

[arista]

Gaza Deaths 188

Israel Deaths 10

CNN HD.

[bots]

hamas ar a TERRORIST organisation, they have nothing to do with the government, and never will

[arista]

HAMAS are Firing Hi Tec Rockets
again.


Live on FoxNewsHD online only.

[arista]

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London Hamas Supporters
driving.

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London Hamas Supporters
driving.

Disgusting but I'm not even surprised at what people exhibit and get away with under the 'pro-Palestine' banner

[bots]

that is surely classified as hate speech in london and should be dealt with appropriately

[The Slim Reaper]

Disgusting but I'm not even surprised at what people exhibit and get away with under the 'pro-Palestine' banner

Such as?

This has been widely and rightly condemned, but tell us what folks are getting away with, exactly.

[MTVN]

Such as?

This has been widely and rightly condemned, but tell us what folks are getting away with, exactly.

It shows how emboldened people have become to be so openly anti-semitic. We'll see if there's any repercussions to this but I sadly doubt it

This is obviously an extreme example but it is certainly not an isolated one

[arista]

The Prime Minister
and the Labour Leader have Condemned those drivers in London.

[The Slim Reaper]

It shows how emboldened people have become to be so openly anti-semitic. We'll see if there's any repercussions to this but I sadly doubt it

This is obviously an extreme example but it is certainly not an isolated one

I don't think it shows anything really, beyond these dudes being absolutely despicable people. I'm pretty sure they will be found and prosecuted, which is the only correct course of action to deal with them.

Just to add on - I do think we will now start to see more open antisemitism from some groups, but I think the world also needs to recalibrate and tackle Israeli apartheid head on, and if there will be any good to come from this mess, is that things can't stay the same.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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London Hamas Supporters
driving.

absolutely disgusting but of course not unexpected

Id imagine they were all there frojm that convoy clapping Corbyn and Abbott at the mob Palestine rally yesterday in London

:bored:

[The Slim Reaper]

I post, LT posts about Corbyn. Well this is new and perfectly fine and normal behaviour.

[bots]

Boris Johnson has condemned the "shameful racism" aimed at British Jews, after a video appeared to show people shouting anti-Semitic abuse.

Police in London said they had identified the car seen in the video and were trying to find the occupants.

The person who filmed the video told the BBC they cried after witnessing the scene, adding: "I don't feel safe."

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the incident was "utterly disgusting", adding: "There must be consequences".

It comes amid rising tension between Israel and Palestinians in the Middle East, culminating in the worst violence since 2014.

On Sunday, a video was posted on social media appearing to show a convoy of cars with Palestinian flags driving down a street, with a man shouting anti-Semitic abuse from a megaphone.

The person who filmed the video - who wanted to remain anonymous - said they started filming when they heard "excessive hooting" outside their window in Finchley Road, north London.

"They happened to stop at a set of traffic lights and I was able to capture what happened.

"I cried. How is this the world we live in today?"

They added: "I felt immediately frightened and appalled that this is happening in this country. What if I was walking alone wearing something that identified me as Jewish? What might have happened?

"I don't feel safe in my own home, and that's what terrifies me."

The Metropolitan Police said it had identified the vehicle and were making enquiries to locate the occupants.

It said the video appeared to be filmed in the St John's Wood area. St John's Wood is an area in north London home to a Jewish community.

"Officers are carrying out urgent enquiries to identify those responsible," said the police. "This sort of behaviour will not be tolerated."

The prime minister was among many politicians to condemn the video on social media.

"There is no place for anti-Semitism in our society," Mr Johnson tweeted. "Ahead of Shavuot, I stand with Britain's Jews who should not have to endure the type of shameful racism we have seen today."

Shavuot is a Jewish festival beginning on Sunday that celebrates when the children of Israel received the Ten Commandments.

Sir Keir said: "Utterly disgusting. Anti-Semitism, misogyny and hate have no place on our streets or in our society. There must be consequences."

The Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said the police had his "full backing" for their zero-tolerance approach, and Londoners could expect to see "high visibility police patrols".

"Hate crimes are inexcusable and have no place in our city," he said.

On Saturday, thousands of people protested through London in support of the Palestinians.

The organisers of the protest called on the UK government to step in and "stop allowing Israel's brutal violence against and oppression of the Palestinian people to go unpunished".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57137151

[arista]

[Israel-Gaza conflict: Israeli PM Netanyahu vows to
keep using 'full force' in Gaza as
overnight airstrike death toll reaches 42]

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-pm-netanyahu-vows-to-keep-using-full-force-in-gaza-as-overnight-airstrike-death-toll-reaches-42-12308239

[Samm]

just saw the most horrible video of injured children in gaza after being bombed by israel. this isn't a 'equal' fight.

[arista]

boris johnson has condemned the "shameful racism" aimed at british jews, after a video appeared to show people shouting anti-semitic abuse.

Police in london said they had identified the car seen in the video and were trying to find the occupants.

The person who filmed the video told the bbc they cried after witnessing the scene, adding: "i don't feel safe."

labour leader sir keir starmer said the incident was "utterly disgusting", adding: "there must be consequences".

It comes amid rising tension between israel and palestinians in the middle east, culminating in the worst violence since 2014.

On sunday, a video was posted on social media appearing to show a convoy of cars with palestinian flags driving down a street, with a man shouting anti-semitic abuse from a megaphone.

The person who filmed the video - who wanted to remain anonymous - said they started filming when they heard "excessive hooting" outside their window in finchley road, north london.

"they happened to stop at a set of traffic lights and i was able to capture what happened.

"i cried. How is this the world we live in today?"

they added: "i felt immediately frightened and appalled that this is happening in this country. What if i was walking alone wearing something that identified me as jewish? What might have happened?

"i don't feel safe in my own home, and that's what terrifies me."

the metropolitan police said it had identified the vehicle and were making enquiries to locate the occupants.

It said the video appeared to be filmed in the st john's wood area. St john's wood is an area in north london home to a jewish community.

"officers are carrying out urgent enquiries to identify those responsible," said the police. "this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated."

the prime minister was among many politicians to condemn the video on social media.

"there is no place for anti-semitism in our society," mr johnson tweeted. "ahead of shavuot, i stand with britain's jews who should not have to endure the type of shameful racism we have seen today."

shavuot is a jewish festival beginning on sunday that celebrates when the children of israel received the ten commandments.

Sir keir said: "utterly disgusting. Anti-semitism, misogyny and hate have no place on our streets or in our society. There must be consequences."

the mayor of london sadiq khan said the police had his "full backing" for their zero-tolerance approach, and londoners could expect to see "high visibility police patrols".

"hate crimes are inexcusable and have no place in our city," he said.

On saturday, thousands of people protested through london in support of the palestinians.

The organisers of the protest called on the uk government to step in and "stop allowing israel's brutal violence against and oppression of the palestinian people to go unpunished".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57137151

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[arista]

ITV1HD London News
Say the Police have identified one of the Cars.
And are tracking it,

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1jFrO_WYAItHb9?format=jpg&name=360x360

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1jFrO_WQAAWJ8N?format=jpg&name=360x360

From
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1394081440615256071

[Tom4784]

[Israel-Gaza conflict: Israeli PM Netanyahu vows to
keep using 'full force' in Gaza as
overnight airstrike death toll reaches 42]

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-pm-netanyahu-vows-to-keep-using-full-force-in-gaza-as-overnight-airstrike-death-toll-reaches-42-12308239

Well, nothing's stopped Israel from killing innocents before and committing war crime after war crime, human rights abuse after human rights abuse and I doubt that's gonna stop any time soon because the world leaders are cowards that won't denounce such attrocities for what they are. Better to continue gaslighting anyone who criticises Israel as anti-semitic, I guess.

[arista]

[Four arrested over video 'showing antisemitic
abuse being shouted from car in north London'

Officers investigating a video which appeared
to show antisemitic abuse being shouted from
a car in north London, police have said.

It comes after footage was posted and widely shared
on social media showing a group of cars decorated
with the Palestinian flag pulling up at traffic lights.]

https://news.sky.com/story/four-arrested-over-video-showing-antisemitic-abuse-being-shouted-from-car-in-north-london-12308628

[arista]

Left Winger on Live LBC

is Upsetting Callers.

He is saying do Jews want to leave the UK?
after the Thugs in the car.

[Tom4784]

[Four arrested over video 'showing antisemitic
abuse being shouted from car in north London'

Officers investigating a video which appeared
to show antisemitic abuse being shouted from
a car in north London, police have said.

It comes after footage was posted and widely shared
on social media showing a group of cars decorated
with the Palestinian flag pulling up at traffic lights.]

https://news.sky.com/story/four-arrested-over-video-showing-antisemitic-abuse-being-shouted-from-car-in-north-london-12308628

Good, now throw the book at them. What is happening in Palestine is an outrage and hateful ***** like them just make it easier for people to gaslight others who support the citizens of Palestine as anti-semitic.

[Cherie]

Oh sorry Arista, not been in this thread today didn’trealise you had posted re the convoy

Would a good mod merge please

[arista]

Oh sorry Arista, not been in this thread today didn’trealise you had posted re the convoy

Would a good mod merge please



No it is Fine
Got Angry callers on LBC AM


It can have a single thread as well

[The Slim Reaper]

Boris Johnson has condemned the "shameful racism" aimed at British Jews, after a video appeared to show people shouting anti-Semitic abuse.

Police in London said they had identified the car seen in the video and were trying to find the occupants.

The person who filmed the video told the BBC they cried after witnessing the scene, adding: "I don't feel safe."

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the incident was "utterly disgusting", adding: "There must be consequences".

It comes amid rising tension between Israel and Palestinians in the Middle East, culminating in the worst violence since 2014.

On Sunday, a video was posted on social media appearing to show a convoy of cars with Palestinian flags driving down a street, with a man shouting anti-Semitic abuse from a megaphone.

The person who filmed the video - who wanted to remain anonymous - said they started filming when they heard "excessive hooting" outside their window in Finchley Road, north London.

"They happened to stop at a set of traffic lights and I was able to capture what happened.

"I cried. How is this the world we live in today?"

They added: "I felt immediately frightened and appalled that this is happening in this country. What if I was walking alone wearing something that identified me as Jewish? What might have happened?

"I don't feel safe in my own home, and that's what terrifies me."

The Metropolitan Police said it had identified the vehicle and were making enquiries to locate the occupants.

It said the video appeared to be filmed in the St John's Wood area. St John's Wood is an area in north London home to a Jewish community.

"Officers are carrying out urgent enquiries to identify those responsible," said the police. "This sort of behaviour will not be tolerated."

The prime minister was among many politicians to condemn the video on social media.

"There is no place for anti-Semitism in our society," Mr Johnson tweeted. "Ahead of Shavuot, I stand with Britain's Jews who should not have to endure the type of shameful racism we have seen today."

Shavuot is a Jewish festival beginning on Sunday that celebrates when the children of Israel received the Ten Commandments.

Sir Keir said: "Utterly disgusting. Anti-Semitism, misogyny and hate have no place on our streets or in our society. There must be consequences."

The Mayor of London Sadiq Khan said the police had his "full backing" for their zero-tolerance approach, and Londoners could expect to see "high visibility police patrols".

"Hate crimes are inexcusable and have no place in our city," he said.

On Saturday, thousands of people protested through London in support of the Palestinians.

The organisers of the protest called on the UK government to step in and "stop allowing Israel's brutal violence against and oppression of the Palestinian people to go unpunished".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57137151

Just out of interest, did Boris have anything to say about this?

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[The Slim Reaper]

That was in Nottingham, but the same kind of attack also happened in Kensington

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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chilling

but that is what Israel is up against

[The Slim Reaper]

any chance we can have one thread without trolling? I know I'm asking a lot, but still...

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/PortalPictures/July-2019/3370971__Pollard%20003ajpg%20Stephen%20Pollard-small.png?imwidth=100

My phone started ringing just after 2.30pm yesterday, as a convoy of cars
began driving around areas of north London with a large Jewish population.
The cars were painted with the Palestine flag and a man with a megaphone
was screaming out of one of them, “******* the Jews, rape their daughters”. It
was, of course, shocking – and as the afternoon wore on, dozens of people
got in touch with me to report what they had witnessed.

But they didn’t just call me. They called the police first, to report something
that was so appalling it had stopped them in their tracks. And what did the
police do in response to the calls they were being bombarded with and to a
convoy of anti-Semitic hate? Nothing.

That’s not strictly true. After an hour, they tweeted that they were aware of a
car protest in Whitehall – some other vehicles had gathered there - and said
that officers were “engaging with those taking part.” It is difficult to think of
a more striking example of how the police have lost their way than their
satisfaction in announcing that they were “engaging” with a group of race
hate demonstrators rather than arresting them.

It took three hours for the police to act, long after the convoy had been given
the freedom of the city to drive – at a snail’s pace – through north London
and verbally assault Jewish residents. The police sat on their hands and,
presumably, watched the convoy on their camera system as it went about its business.

And that’s the crucial point about what happened yesterday. It happened
because it was allowed to happen. Yes, there were fine words of
condemnation from everyone from the PM to the Labour leader. And yes,
eventually, the police acted and arrested four suspects.

But the convoy did not emerge out of nowhere. The previous day, Saturday,
saw a large anti-Israel protest in central London. It received lots of coverage
But you would have struggled to find any coverage of the anti-Semitic
chanting and placards that were part of the protest.

One chant was, “Khayber Khayber Ya Yehud jaish Mohammed Sauf Ya’ud”
(“Khayber Khaybar oh Jews, Mohammed’s army is returning”). An inflatable
balloon Jewish caricature with horns and a hook nose was hoisted by the
podium.

Such open anti-Semitism on our streets is entirely normal. Every year on the
‘Al Quds’ (Jerusalem) Day protest, central London is festooned with anti-
Semitic banners and chants.

Organisers and those involved continually say that they are not anti-Semitic
and are merely anti-Zionist, but it is a remarkable coincidence how every
time there is an anti-Zionist demonstration it is accompanied by
unambiguous and explicit Jew hate. And that is without even considering how
ludicrous it is to claim that a demonstration in support of Hamas is not anti-
Semitic, when the organisation is committed in its founding charter to the
elimination of Jews – Jews, not Israel – from the planet.

That is why yesterday’s convoy may have been shocking in its immediacy but
was not remotely surprising, because it was merely part of a continuum in
which these protests provide a regular expression of Jew hate.


It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that – as David Baddiel put it in the title
of his recent book – Jews don’t count. We have learned in recent years that
anti-Semitism is not viewed as racism in many quarters. Which brings us,
unfortunately, to Jeremy Corbyn.

Mr Corbyn did not cause anti-Semitism, but his apparent embrace of anti-
Semites by standing on the podium and speaking at Saturday’s protest has
further encouraged anti-Semitism.

It is often said that the Jews are the canary in the coal mine – that those
who attack the Jews will, given the chance, step up their extremism to
include other groups and behaviour. That is why everyone should be
concerned. One MP friend texted me last night, saying that he feared we are
becoming like France. He meant that in France such is the problem with
Islamist extremism that Jews feel threatened merely walking down the
street.

There is always a spike in anti-Semitic incidents here when Israel takes
military action to defend itself from terror. I fear, however, that my friend
may be right. And if he is, the blame will not be just on those politicians who
ally with and give succour to Jew haters. It will also be on those who talk a
good game about zero tolerance for extremism, but who in reality have
stood by and watched it, rather than acting.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/17/going-london-shows-anti-semitism-still-acceptable-form-racism/

[bots]

any chance we can have one thread without trolling? I know I'm asking a lot, but still...

it's not trolling, it's highly relevant

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's not trolling, it's highly relevant

shut down technique

[The Slim Reaper]

Once again, I post and LT makes it about Corbyn.

LT you boasted that no one was as alt-right as you, so both pretending to care about jews, and using them for trolling purposes is actual antisemitism. You've overplayed your hand and revealed a pretty sinister part of your character.

[The Slim Reaper]

it's not trolling, it's highly relevant

Which bits are relevant?

[arista]

Israel has a Special Water Gun
it Fires out a Stinking Skunk Liquid
it takes days to get the smell off you.

We need one of those


Live SkyNewsHD

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[Liam-]

Dan Hodges is the prime example of not needing to be intelligent to be a journalist

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

SkyNewsHD
reported Fuel has got through into Gaza.
It is used to power up Hospitals.

Saving Lives.

[Tom4784]

Biden's basically committed to giving more money to a nuclear armed state to help their military oppress another country without a military. What next, I wonder? Offering money to China to help sterilise Uigher women?

[arista]

Biden's basically committed to giving more money to a nuclear armed state to help their military oppress another country without a military. What next, I wonder? Offering money to China to help sterilise Uigher women?



Sure USA Funds
the Iron Dome Protection system.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Police officer under investigation after being filmed chanting "Free Palestine" at protest

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/police-officer-chanting-free-palestine-protest-video/

[arista]

Palestinian has called all to Strike

[Tom4784]

Just another little clip of a would-be war crime by an israeli soldier.

https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/nfh9nb/to_throw_grenade_at_ambulance_and_journalists/

Israel do live their war crimes, don't they?

[arista]

Just another little clip of a would-be war crime by an israeli soldier.

https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/nfh9nb/to_throw_grenade_at_ambulance_and_journalists/

Israel do live their war crimes, don't they?



He did not chuck it.

[arista]

Parliament Live
on Parliament Channel
is Debating this fight in the middle east.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

Yes not an easy task LT
as they will hide weapons
and act normal among familys.

[Tom4784]

He did not chuck it.

Because a camera caught him at the last moment. He was willing and ready to murder the people in that ambulance and would have done so if the camera didn't catch him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes not an easy task LT
as they will hide weapons
and act normal among familys.

No, but the IDF is well trained

[Tom4784]

Yes, the IDF is well trained...In abusing and murdering palestinian civilians.

[arista]

The British Based
Israeli Ambassador
on Ch4HDnews said HAMAS are not going to stop.
They only want Jews dead.


Dezzy
with respect,
you must understand
HAMAS did not want the local Election
that was halted,
they want to keep this fight going on
forever.

[The Slim Reaper]

The British Based
Israeli Ambassador
on Ch4HDnews said HAMAS are not going to stop.
They only want Jews dead.


Dezzy
with respect,
you must understand
HAMAS did not want the local Election
that was halted,
they want to keep this fight going on
forever.

They're being occupied by another country, Arista. If we were invaded and occupied by the US, would you want the British to just shut up, take our 3 or 4 hours of water and electricity each day, clap as our houses are being demolished and our children are being killed?

Or would want us to fight back against the aggressor? Hamas are the only thing offering them hope at the moment, so if you want to make Hamas irrelevant, Palestine needs to be allowed to have some dignity back.

Please don't reply something like:

Sure
But Israeli man said it.

[arista]

"If we were invaded and occupied by the US"

Slim we did just that
Its is in our blood.

1607–1783

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_America

[The Slim Reaper]

https://i.imgur.com/GgqTg8C.gif

[The Slim Reaper]

Folks on here can't get over a year long argument, and we expect a country full of people to get over seeing generations of their families wiped out over decades?

[Tom4784]

The British Based
Israeli Ambassador
on Ch4HDnews said HAMAS are not going to stop.
They only want Jews dead.


Dezzy
with respect,
you must understand
HAMAS did not want the local Election
that was halted,
they want to keep this fight going on
forever.

And all that is meaningless when more footage of Palestinian citizens being abused by israeli soldiers surface every day, when more civilians are being executed every day, where more homes are being bombed every ****ing day.

You can go ahead and be ignorant and make out that Palestine = HAMAS and that Israel are just the good guys trying to fight off terrorists but don't try to sell that **** to me, I prefer the real world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And all that is meaningless when more footage of Palestinian citizens being abused by israeli soldiers surface every day, when more civilians are being executed every day, where more homes are being bombed every ****ing day.

You can go ahead and be ignorant and make out that Palestine = HAMAS and that Israel are just the good guys trying to fight off terrorists but don't try to sell that **** to me, I prefer the real world.

But you are parroting the propaganda from the Terror group Hamas?

:shrug:

[Beso]

Best way I can sum this up is..

If any **** spat on my face in the street, someone would have to hold me back.

[Kizzy]

How can it be antisemitic to support Palestinians? They are semites too :/

I'm really conflicted remember the ANC and Mandela? He fought for and was considered a terrorist for years when all he wanted was freedom, fairness and rights... years from now could this be said of Hamas?

Anyone even suggesting a dialogue is vilified. How is there to be any diplomacy in the world if nobody is willing to discuss the matter?

Dress this up any way you like it's wrong, how Israel has acted and reacted is wrong, the west sitting back and ignoring this is wrong.

Violence isn't the answer however the phrase one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter springs to mind.

When nobody is speaking and your rights have been stripped away and nobody cares what's left?

[bots]

When you have a group (hamas) whose stated aim is to wipe out all jews in the world and they are a designated terrorist organisation, how can people support them.

We all feel for the plight of the palestinian people and innocents getting caught up in it on whatever side is abhorrent.

Israel are not blameless, hamas are not blameless, but until both sides agree to stop trying to kill the other you can't expect 1 side to say ok, hit me with what you got and we will just take it. There has to be agreement, and i don't think that's likely any time soon

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm really conflicted remember the ANC and Mandela? He fought for and was considered a terrorist for years when all he wanted was freedom, fairness and rights... years from now could this be said of Hamas?



Remember Bin Laden

Look at ISIS or the Taliban

years from now could this be said of Hamas?

remember Iran?

[Livia]

When you have a group (hamas) whose stated aim is to wipe out all jews in the world and they are a designated terrorist organisation, how can people support them.

We all feel for the plight of the palestinian people and innocents getting caught up in it on whatever side is abhorrent.

Israel are not blameless, hamas are not blameless, but until both sides agree to stop trying to kill the other you can't expect 1 side to say ok, hit me with what you got and we will just take it. There has to be agreement, and i don't think that's likely any time soon

People support Hamas because they hate the Jews more. They don't even have to be Israeli, just ordinary British Jews. Rachel Riley, for instance. She's a British Jew who supports Israel and according to some kind of weird consensus, she's fair game for trolls. And the very saddest thing for me is, hate speech is fine if you're aiming it at a Jew. Because, you know... Israel.

[The Slim Reaper]

When you have a group (hamas) whose stated aim is to wipe out all jews in the world and they are a designated terrorist organisation, how can people support them.

We all feel for the plight of the palestinian people and innocents getting caught up in it on whatever side is abhorrent.

Israel are not blameless, hamas are not blameless, but until both sides agree to stop trying to kill the other you can't expect 1 side to say ok, hit me with what you got and we will just take it. There has to be agreement, and i don't think that's likely any time soon

Their foundational aim was to return Palestine to Palestinians.

You can't both sides a conflict where one country has been invaded and occupied.

No one wants to answer the question about what we would expect brits to do if we were invaded, had our homes bulldozed, our children murdered, and forced to live under apartheid whilst walled in and denied basic human rights.

A coupe of years ago, folks would never have even both-sides this issue so I guess progress is slowly being made.

[bots]

Their foundational aim was to return Palestine to Palestinians.

You can't both sides a conflict where one country has been invaded and occupied.

No one wants to answer the question about what we would expect brits to do if we were invaded, had our homes bulldozed, our children murdered, and forced to live under apartheid whilst walled in and denied basic human rights.

A coupe of years ago, folks would never have even both-sides this issue so I guess progress is slowly being made.

One country tries to protect itself in a swap of hostile enemies actually

[The Slim Reaper]

One country tries to protect itself in a swap of hostile enemies actually

Can you expand on this as I'm not 100% sure what you mean.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1uz7oFWQAAmauh?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

One country tries to protect itself in a swap of hostile enemies actually

yep

how are they protect themselves from Iran addled terrorists

[Kizzy]

Remember Bin Laden

Look at ISIS or the Taliban

years from now could this be said of Hamas?

remember Iran?

There was some interaction in the 80s and 90s with the taliban wasn't there by the UK and US?

It is apparent that peace, tolerance and human rights wasnt high on their list of demands.

[arista]

Yes Slim they have lost alot of Land
Since 1946.


That changes nothing in this Fight.

[Kizzy]

Yes Slim they have lost alot of Land
Since 1946.


That changes nothing in this Fight.

Why... that's the whole reason for the fight, what do you think they are fighting for, fun?

[The Slim Reaper]

Why... that's the whole reason for the fight, what do you think they are fighting for, fun?

It's truly bizarre isn't it? :laugh:


Good to see you around.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Slim they have lost alot of Land
Since 1946.


That changes nothing in this Fight.

There are lots and lots of land disputes in the world - China shares borders with 14 countries and has a territorial dispute with all of them :shocked:


And lest we forget when we are worrying about the people of Palestine why Israel was created in 1948.....

[arista]

Why... that's the whole reason for the fight, what do you think they are fighting for, fun?



Yes but Israel
is not going to change.


The Protection Iron Dome System
is Funded by USA Joe Biden.

[The Slim Reaper]

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.

[Crimson Dynamo]

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/no-israel-is-not-an-apartheid-state/#slide-1

[Kizzy]

Yes but Israel
is not going to change.


The Protection Iron Dome System
is Funded by USA Joe Biden.

If the west is complicit then we have blood on our hands too.

Listened to a debate recently where it was brought up the fact that British Muslims are expected to voice condemnation of attacks, we've seen that echoed on this forum too.
And we have seen that condemnation in marches across many major British cities.

Now I'm not saying that the Jewish community should do this, however a comparison can now be drawn. Is that something that may happen?

[Tom4784]

But you are parroting the propaganda from the Terror group Hamas?

:shrug:

If you can't tell the difference between basic empathy for the plight of innocent people and supporting terrorism then that's your own failure and your own ignorance.

[arista]

apartheid is not a land dispute, as well you know. it's amazing how one side of this thread talks about specifics, and another talks in nonsensical generalisations.


Be Realistic


HAMAS are the Problem

[Kizzy]

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/no-israel-is-not-an-apartheid-state/#slide-1

So all facts have to come from American media outlets now?

Define 'Ethnic cleansing'. And tell me that's not what is happening here.

[Beso]

All buildings attacked by Israel in retaliation to the random rocket attacks on its citizens were given notice to evacuate by the Israelis.....even the ones containing hamas operatives.

[Tom4784]

When you have a group (hamas) whose stated aim is to wipe out all jews in the world and they are a designated terrorist organisation, how can people support them.

We all feel for the plight of the palestinian people and innocents getting caught up in it on whatever side is abhorrent.

Israel are not blameless, hamas are not blameless, but until both sides agree to stop trying to kill the other you can't expect 1 side to say ok, hit me with what you got and we will just take it. There has to be agreement, and i don't think that's likely any time soon

Who is supporting them? Go on, be less vague.

Also if you think Hamas = Palestine then you don't understand this situation at all and you really should go fix your ignorance on the issue.

You're basically confusing a terrorist group for a nation and then making out that the group's actions make the frequent human rights abuse of palestinians an acceptable response. That Apartheid is an acceptable response, that going out and executing civilians is an acceptable response and displacing others and spitting in their face is an acceptable response.

It's ****ing not, I cannot stand how people are so accepting of human rights abuse and war crimes.

[The Slim Reaper]

I am afraid propaganda masquerading as fact as that helps noone

---------------





The charge of apartheid is the new blood libel.

As Hamas rains rockets down on Israel, members of the Squad in Congress and
other left-wing enemies are using the occasion to amplify their accusation that
Israel is an “apartheid state.”


This is a transparent attempt to delegitimize — and isolate and ultimately
destroy — the Jewish state by associating it with a racist regime that the world
united to squeeze out of existence.

It doesn’t take much moral discernment to understand, even if one takes a
harshly critical view of how Israel conducts itself, that it is nothing like an
apartheid regime in South Africa that depended on a rigorously enforced
system of racial repression.

The Arab minority in Israel (about 20 percent of the population) may face
obstacles, but it is not treated like black South Africans were.

Israel is a democracy that affords its Arab citizens full rights. They vote in
elections, and Arab parties sit in parliament. These parties obviously have a
profoundly different worldview than the Zionist parties, which has been a
barrier preventing cooperation between them.

Arab Israelis are full participants in Israeli society. There are Arab justices on
the Supreme Court. About 20 percent of doctors in Israel and about half of
pharmacists are Arab. Roughly 17 percent of students seeking an
undergraduate degree are Arab, a number that has roughly doubled over the
past decade.

As Steve Kramer of the Times of Israel puts it, “They arguably are the most
free Arabs in the Middle East.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/no-israel-is-not-an-apartheid-state/#slide-1

The UN calls Israel an apartheid state as do Jewish Israeli human rights groups, so forgive me if I don't equate the truth with the belief of medieval superstitious white Christians, that the Jews wanted to consume their children.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All buildings attacked by Israel in retaliation to the random rocket attacks on its citizens were given notice to evacuate by the Israelis.....even the ones containing hamas operatives.

Indeed

Tells you a lot

an awful lot

[Kizzy]

All buildings attacked by Israel in retaliation to the random rocket attacks on its citizens were given notice to evacuate by the Israelis.....even the ones containing hamas operatives.

That's not true, the reasoning behind one attack was allegedly to kill the Hamas members housed there, so obviously there would be no warning of that.

[The Slim Reaper]

So all facts have to come from American media outlets now?

Define 'Ethnic cleansing'. And tell me that's not what is happening here.

A conservative one no less, which if it was reversed, lt would post a joker smiley at.

[Tom4784]

A conservative one no less, which if it was reversed, lt would post a joker smiley at.

Let's not forget when LT was like 'lol Reddit' when I posted a video of the violence taking place, not an article, no spin, just a video.

[Tom4784]

If the UN and Human Rights groups like Amnesty are calling it apartheid and are describing Israel's actions as abusing human rights, then I'll believe them over some conservative 'source' aimed at right wing sheep that only want to be told what they want to hear.

[The Slim Reaper]

Who is supporting them? Go on, be less vague.

Also if you think Hamas = Palestine then you don't understand this situation at all and you really should go fix your ignorance on the issue.

You're basically confusing a terrorist group for a nation and then making out that the group's actions make the frequent human rights abuse of palestinians an acceptable response. That Apartheid is an acceptable response, that going out and executing civilians is an acceptable response and displacing others and spitting in their face is an acceptable response.

It's ****ing not, I cannot stand how people are so accepting of human rights abuse and war crimes.

I also haven't found anywhere that states the aim of hamas is to remove all Jews from the planet, now I could be looking in the wrong places and could easily be wrong, but I'm just saying.

[The Slim Reaper]

Be Realistic


HAMAS are the Problem

You are making it up; for starters, under international law an occupied country is allowed to mount an armed response.

Israel have been killing them and destroying their homes to take their land for decades. We still pretend we won ww2 on our own, but other countries need to get over what is being done to them in the present day?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I also haven't found anywhere that states the aim of hamas is to remove all Jews from the planet, now I could be looking in the wrong places and could easily be wrong, but I'm just saying.

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.'


https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

A senior member of Gaza's Islamist rulers Hamas has encouraged
Palestinians across the globe to kill Jews

"Seven million Palestinians outside, enough warming up, you have Jews with
you in every place. You should attack every Jew possible in all the world and
kill them."

https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/hamas-official-condemned-after-calling-palestinians-kill-jews

[The Slim Reaper]

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.'


https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

A senior member of Gaza's Islamist rulers Hamas has encouraged
Palestinians across the globe to kill Jews

"Seven million Palestinians outside, enough warming up, you have Jews with
you in every place. You should attack every Jew possible in all the world and
kill them."

https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/hamas-official-condemned-after-calling-palestinians-kill-jews

Horrifically racist sentiments, but looking for somewhere that states this is the aim of the organisation as bots said. I do appreciate the post though.

I can't really accept the information from Information Division, Israel Foreign Ministry - Jerusalem

[Crimson Dynamo]

Horrifically racist sentiments, but looking for somewhere that states this is the aim of the organisation as bots said. I do appreciate the post though.

I can't really accept the information from

then accept it from A senior member of Gaza's Islamist rulers Hamas

thanks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here they are again with some advice


Finally, this past weekend, Hamas television aired a speech by a senior Hamas
official in which he called on Palestinians in Jerusalem to behead Jews in the
city streets. "Buy a knife, sharpen it, put it there, and just cut off [their
heads]," he said, gesturing to his neck. "It costs just five shekels. With those
five shekels, you will humiliate the Jewish state."


https://www.newsweek.com/why-are-they-fighting-middle-east-because-hamas-dedicated-killing-jews-opinion-1591492

[The Slim Reaper]

Here they are again with some advice


Finally, this past weekend, Hamas television aired a speech by a senior Hamas
official in which he called on Palestinians in Jerusalem to behead Jews in the
city streets. "Buy a knife, sharpen it, put it there, and just cut off [their
heads]," he said, gesturing to his neck. "It costs just five shekels. With those
five shekels, you will humiliate the Jewish state."


https://www.newsweek.com/why-are-they-fighting-middle-east-because-hamas-dedicated-killing-jews-opinion-1591492

One dude saying it was meaningless, but if they're going on TV with it, then that's good enough for me, so cheers. Still not an aim to rid the planet, only their occupiers as far as I can see.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you read their Covenant its the epitomy of Jew hating conspiracy theory

these people are beyond reason

".”Our enemies took control of the world media. They were behind the French
Revolution and the Communist Revolution. … They were behind World War I,
when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains
and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the
League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind
World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in
armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state.”


i mean wtaf

and I bet lots at that mob rally in LOndon support all of the above

[Crimson Dynamo]

1395200947526197248

[Tom4784]

Regardless, a terrorist threat is not an excuse to commit endless war crimes and breaches of human rights.

If this was the 80's would you all have supported similar actions committed by us towards the irish people because of the IRA? We did enough bad **** as it was, and there's no denying the bigotry that took place but if we responded to the IRA like Israel responds to Hamas then we'd be violently occupying them further, forcing people out of their homes and airstriking civilians, and having our soldiers treat the citizenry like animals to be put down at the soldiers' pleasure. Terrorism does not justify such behaviour as a response.

[Beso]

That's not true, the reasoning behind one attack was allegedly to kill the Hamas members housed there, so obviously there would be no warning of that.

Hamas leaders housed there.

But apart from that legitimate target, all others were given warning to evacuate..there are loads of videos out there showing this exact thing happening...many others were called off due to members of the public being in the vicinity...

[Beso]

Have you read their Covenant its the epitomy of Jew hating conspiracy theory

these people are beyond reason

".”Our enemies took control of the world media. They were behind the French
Revolution and the Communist Revolution. … They were behind World War I,
when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains
and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the
League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind
World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in
armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state.”


i mean wtaf

and I bet lots at that mob rally in LOndon support all of the above




Yeah that stupid police officer chanting along with them for one.

[The Slim Reaper]

Have you read their Covenant its the epitomy of Jew hating conspiracy theory

these people are beyond reason

".”Our enemies took control of the world media. They were behind the French
Revolution and the Communist Revolution. … They were behind World War I,
when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains
and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the
League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind
World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in
armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state.”


i mean wtaf

and I bet lots at that mob rally in LOndon support all of the above

Uses many of the same antisemitic tropes that Boris used in his novel. Still can't find where the expressed aim of Hamas is to remove all Jews from the planet.

I'm sure the Scots and Irish used to sing songs about how much they loved being ruled by England.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And of course BLM are right behind them

:facepalm:

[Tom4784]

Nothing triggers racists quite like BLM.

[arista]

Hamas is asking for a Ceasefire,
good move.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hamas is asking for a Ceasefire,
good move.

Id imagine only because they are losing badly

[arista]

Id imagine only because they are losing badly


Yes
they are losing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes
they are losing.

hate will never win against law and liberty

[arista]

CNN HD
showed a video of HAMAS
putting Rocket Launchers next to a school.

[Crimson Dynamo]

CNN HD
showed a video of HAMAS
putting Rocket Launchers next to a school.

I dont know how anyone can defend these "people"

[arista]

Israeli Cabinet approves GAZA Ceasefire


All Media

From 2AM (their time) Friday

[Cherie]

Good news

[bots]

lets see if it holds

[Kizzy]

Good news but for what reason.. Threats from other nations to stop?

[Ammi]

…will this be a genuine opportunity for conversation…?…Seeing the images change to celebrations in the streets and relief on faces…:love:…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Interesting blog by Douglas Murray

There has been a huge amount of comment in recent days on the latest round of exchanges between Israel and the terrorists
of Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza. As usual whole slews of celebrities and other important figures on the international stage
have lamented the fact that Israel has put so much effort into the defence of its own citizens. As usual these ignoramuses cry
about 'disproportionate' death tolls. As though it would all be a lot fairer if Israel turned off the Iron Dome system for a night
or two and let the increasingly sophisticated weaponry of its enemies rain down, unmolested, upon its people.


But all this, and much more, has been rehearsed a thousand times before. From the UK there is only one interesting
observation that can be made about this conflict. Which is that it once again bears out a rule that has been observable for the
last couple of decades. The rule is this: It does not matter what the size or scale of any conflict involving Israel might be, the
reaction on the streets of the UK worsens each time.

This has been an observable rule throughout each of the interventions in Gaza, however long or short-lived they have been. It
was observable during the 2006 war with Hezbollah in Lebanon. Each time the eruption on British streets is worse than the
time before.

This exchange, for instance, has only lasted a couple of weeks so far and looks like coming to an end fairly soon. It has not
involved a land invasion of Gaza. It has involved rocket barrages fired at Israel from Gaza, responded to by Israeli precision
bombing against the launch sites and other targets that Hamas and co have built in among the Palestinian civilian population.
So by the standards of previous exchanges this has been minimal. Yet here are just a few of the things that have happened in
the UK as a result.


Large scale protests outside the Israeli embassy in London involving openly anti-Semitic messages, attended by leading
politicians of the opposition Labour party. Nine police officers injured by members of the crowd throwing missiles at the British
police.

Convoys of cars of pro-Palestinian activists drive through Jewish-populated areas of London, broadcasting out calls to '**** the
Jews. Rape their daughters'.

While her colleagues are being injured by the mob, a police officer in London promises protestors that she is on their side and
says she is ´praying day and night´ to Allah. Eventually joining the crowds, raises her fist and chants 'Free Palestine'.

Elsewhere on Britain's streets, Muslims call for Jihad.

I could go on. This is just a taster of how Britain — still technically meant to be under Covid restrictions — loses control when
a comparatively minor exchange occurs thousands of miles away. Naturally politicians of the mainstream on all sides condemn
the outright racism, bigotry, and intimidation. But they have no strategy —
how could they? — for dealing with the growing number of people in Britain
who find Israeli self-defence so appalling that it makes them call for violence,
and commit
violence, on the streets of Britain.

Israel can look after her own affairs. But with each conflict Israel gets dragged into the question arises: can Britain look after
hers?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-parts-of-britain-erupt-whenever-israel-defends-itself-

[Livia]

I see the police officer involved above, is under investigation. And rightly so.

[The Slim Reaper]

More self defence from the apartheid state.

1395696980823875585

[Beso]

I see the police officer involved above, is under investigation. And rightly so.

Hopefully she gets sacked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

1395511881863925760

[bots]

More self defence from the apartheid state.

1395696980823875585

There have been fresh clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police in the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem, witnesses and police say.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld tells AFP news agency that Palestinians threw stones at officers, and that they had begun “riot” supressing measures in response.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There have been fresh clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police in the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem, witnesses and police say.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld tells AFP news agency that Palestinians threw stones at officers, and that they had begun “riot” supressing measures in response.

Scattered clashes broke out between Palestinian protesters and Israeli police at the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem hours after a truce in Gaza went into effect, with police firing sun grenades and tear gas shortly after Friday prayers.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said officers deployed "riot" suppressing measure after being targeted by stone-throwing Palestinians.

:rolleyes:

DT

[The Slim Reaper]

There have been fresh clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police in the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem, witnesses and police say.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld tells AFP news agency that Palestinians threw stones at officers, and that they had begun “riot” supressing measures in response.

What are you saying? Israeli police shouldn't be near the the mosque. Israeli spokesman says...

[Beso]

What are you saying? Israeli police shouldn't be near the the mosque. Israeli spokesman says...

What do you mean by israeli police shouldn't be near the mosque?

[Tom4784]

I always find it weird when they call it 'clashes between Israel and Palestine'. Palestine does not have an army, 'clashes...' should really be 'attacks on Palestinian citizens by Israeli soldiers'

[Livia]

How many rockets have been launched against Israel this week? Poor, innocent Palestine.

[Beso]

I always find it weird when they call it 'clashes between Israel and Palestine'. Palestine does not have an army, 'clashes...' should really be 'attacks on Palestinian citizens by Israeli soldiers'

And what should it be called when its the opposite?

[The Slim Reaper]

I'll ask the question again; what would brits do if we were invaded and occupied, walled in, watched as our children were murdered, bulldozed our houses, and refused not only our dignity, but our basic human rights?

If you are defending the actions of Israel, you are pro-apartheid, so own that and provide some justifications for it.

[Tom4784]

How many rockets have been launched against Israel this week? Poor, innocent Palestine.

Well, if you can't distinguish between a terrorist organisation and the hundreds of innocent civilians killed in response by Israel then that's your own ignorance at play.

Terrorism is not an excuse to murder civilians and frequently defile human rights.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'll ask the question again; what would brits do if we were invaded and occupied, walled in, watched as our children were murdered, bulldozed our houses, and refused not only our dignity, but our basic human rights?

If you are defending the actions of Israel, you are pro-apartheid, so own that and provide some justifications for it.

i refer you back a page where your faux-apartheid claims were dismantled...

[Tom4784]

i refer you back a page where your faux-apartheid claims were dismantled...

I trust the UN and human rights agencies over your fairy tale right wing media.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I trust the UN and human rights agencies over your fairy tale right wing media.


There are few charges more grave. I should know: during 26 years as a
journalist in South Africa I investigated and reported the evil that was
apartheid. I saw Nelson Mandela secretly when he was underground, then
popularly known as the Black Pimpernel, and I was the first non-family
member to visit him in prison.

I have now lived in Israel for 17 years, doing what I can to promote dialogue
across lines of division. To an extent that I believe is rare, I straddle both
societies. I know Israel today – and I knew apartheid up close. And put
simply, there is no comparison between Israel and apartheid.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/22/israel-injustices-not-apartheid-state

[The Slim Reaper]

i refer you back a page where your faux-apartheid claims were dismantled...

That national review piece? You dismantled nothing.

I could just post Mandela talking about Palestine - who definitely knew what apartheid is/was all about, but why bother? I've asked a question about brits if you want to answer it in your own words.

[Tom4784]

Again, I trust the words of actual human rights agencies over opinions. I accept the truth regardless of what it is, I don't hunt around for opinion pieces that I like and confuse them for facts.