Demi Lovato comes our as non-binary

[Denver]

Demi will know go by the pronouns They/Them

[Oliver_W]

Maybe she should change her name to Themi Lovato.

[Marsh.]

Sorry didn't they do this ages ago?

[Swan]

Yeah this was like a week ago

[Crimson Dynamo]

i have no idea who she is apart from something about fat shaming a cafe?

obviously, she is a woman and she cannot change facts

[Swan]

i have no idea who she is apart from something about fat shaming a cafe?

obviously, she is a woman and she cannot change facts

She was in some Disney stuff as a kid, now i think she's a model/singer.

I only heard about her during that fat shaming thing though. It was Ice Cream apparently, she claimed the store fat shamed her by selling 'diet' products.

[arista]

i have no idea who she is apart from something about fat shaming a cafe?

obviously, she is a woman and she cannot change facts



Bang On Right
LT.

[Marsh.]

i have no idea who she is apart from something about fat shaming a cafe?

obviously, she is a woman and she cannot change facts

They're discussing their gender, not their sex.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She's discussing her gender, not her sex.

Attention seeking more like

[Smithy]

Demi: my pronouns are they/them
Everyone in this thread: She

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I’ll never understand how or why people take issue with stuff like this

Like it doesn’t affect you in any way? :skull: touch grass

[Tom4784]

I’ll never understand how or why people take issue with stuff like this

Like it doesn’t affect you in any way? :skull: touch grass

Fragile right wing snowflakes need something to cry about, it seems.

[Marsh.]

Attention seeking more like

And you bend to their will by making a song and dance. Demi stays winning?

[Beso]

Why the need to come out..

I've put half a stone on since April, whoooopeeededoo.

[Beso]

I got fat cheeks ffs.

[caprimint]

obviously, she is a woman and she cannot change facts
Yep

[Oliver_W]

Demi: my pronouns are they/them
Everyone in this thread: She

:joker::joker:

[user104658]

Demi: my pronouns are they/them
Everyone in this thread: She


To be fair, some do it point fly but for some it’s just a lot to expect everyone to instantly remember a change.

[GoldHeart]

To be fair, some do it point fly but for some it’s just a lot to expect everyone to instantly remember a change.

Also people see Demi and automatically still think "she" & "her" that's just a fact , but also what people need to remember is not all of them mind if you still refer to them as that as it's more fluid.

[bots]

I always think of prince in a scenario like this. One day he decided that he should be referred to as symbol, but the simple fact is, it's just not something you can change over night, if at all. One could argue that you are never described as you would choose yourself, because your own perception of who/what you are just doesnt match with whatever anyone else think of you

[Shaun]

This is nice and everything but Demi does have a bit of a history of doing stupid attention-seeking things, so I understand why some would be sceptical / just writing this off as a trend/fad.

It's unfortunate that the two biggest profile NBs are Demi and Sam Smith because the public perception of both is... pretty bad. Not that that excuses the willful trolling in here.

[Oliver_W]

Why the need to come out..

I've put half a stone on since April, whoooopeeededoo.

In that case you should be "they" because you're as big as two people :hehe:

But nah, she "came out" so music reviewers tabloid articles use the "correct" pronouns, I guess...

[user104658]

This is nice and everything but Demi does have a bit of a history of doing stupid attention-seeking things, so I understand why some would be sceptical / just writing this off as a trend/fad.

It's unfortunate that the two biggest profile NBs are Demi and Sam Smith because the public perception of both is... pretty bad. Not that that excuses the willful trolling in here.


The unfortunate reality is that when anything starts to become more mainstream, there are some people who will join the “trend” just to be part of the scene. I know that’s a taboo line of thought because it can lead to doubting people who are genuine but well... it simply is the case. My daughter came out as gay about a year ago, no one else in her social circle was, she was obviously nervous about telling people but decided to do so. She has a girlfriend who is also quite obviously genuinely gay. The kids were all, surprisingly for me (as it would NOT have been like this when I was at school) totally unphased by this and she’s really encountered zero negativity...

...the strange part is that the rest of the girls in the class started pairing off :joker:. There’s 14 girls in the class and there are now only FOUR of them who are not in a same-sex couple :joker:. It’s all harmless of course and I’m sure there are a couple of others who may well be gay or bi, but we’ve had to explain to her that it’s unlikely that 80% of the girls in her class are actually gay!

[Jake.]

To be fair, some do it point fly but for some it’s just a lot to expect everyone to instantly remember a change.

It’s a lot to expect everyone to remember a change when it’s literally the topic of the thread?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s a lot to expect everyone to remember a change when it’s literally the topic of the thread?


When prince decided he wanted to be known as a "squiggle" everyone ignored that and called him Prince

and they still do

[user104658]

It’s a lot to expect everyone to remember a change when it’s literally the topic of the thread?


People type a stream of consciousness and the word that comes out comes out. You could argue that people should take the time to proof-read their posts and make sure to change things like a pronoun (however, realistically most people don’t double check a forum post before they hit send) but it’s a lot to expect that people are in tight control of conversational language. It takes time. It’s like if a friend you’ve known for years by a nickname declares that they hate it - of course you stop consciously using it, but occasionally it’s going to slip out.

I did also say that obviously some people do it pointedly and by all means call that out. But a policy of blanket anger and disappointment at “incorrect pronouns” is really not the way.

[Jake.]

Yeah I can’t see it being done out of anything other than intention by most people.
It’s Demi Lovato, it’s not like they’re usually a hot topic on the forum and people are “slipping up”.

The edit function is there, I can’t see that it’s been used by those who have referred to Demi as she/her?

[bots]

Yeah I can’t see it being done out of anything other than intention by most people.
It’s Demi Lovato, it’s not like they’re usually a hot topic on the forum and people are “slipping up”.

The edit function is there, I can’t see that it’s been used by those who have referred to Demi as she/her?

where is it stated that people should be called as they wish to? Plenty people on this forum have been described using terms they most certainly don't like but nothing ever happens about that

[Oliver_W]

where is it stated that people should be called as they wish to? Plenty people on this forum have been described using terms they most certainly don't like but nothing ever happens about that

No-one "has" to use preferred pronouns, but it's seen as polite.

When women identify as transmen or as nonbinary, there seems to be a co-morbidity with a history of sexual abuse, which Demi Lovato has been subject to at least twice ... Some kind of coping mechanism, perhaps? Seems to mostly apply to females, as it doesn't seem to be the case with men who identit as transwomen or as nonbinary.

[UserSince2005]

The overdose mess up the head

[Marsh.]

where is it stated that people should be called as they wish to? Plenty people on this forum have been described using terms they most certainly don't like but nothing ever happens about that

Comparing pronouns to bigoted comments being labelled as bigoted?

Yeah, ok.

[Jake.]

where is it stated that people should be called as they wish to? Plenty people on this forum have been described using terms they most certainly don't like but nothing ever happens about that

It’s just a thing of respect really isn’t it :shrug:

[Jake.]

Comparing pronouns to bigoted comments being labelled as bigoted?

Yeah, ok.

Or this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So do the DM have to now write "Demi Levato was in Paris Friday for a charity gig, them wore a lovely over the shoulder number from Prada and then they visited a lovely chique cafe on the banks of the Seine. Them will be in Paris for 2 nights and then them will be on the first flight back to LA"?

I cant see this catching on somehow

:shrug:

[Tom4784]

It's the Daily Mail, so that level of illiteracy would be expected.

[Jordan.]

It's the Daily Mail, so that level of illiteracy would be expected.

:joker:

[Marsh.]

So do the DM have to now write "Demi Levato was in Paris Friday for a charity gig, them wore a lovely over the shoulder number from Prada and then they visited a lovely chique cafe on the banks of the Seine. Them will be in Paris for 2 nights and then them will be on the first flight back to LA"?

I cant see this catching on somehow

:shrug:

Replacing the word "they" with "them" says more about your grasp of English than it does Demi Lovato?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Replacing the word "they" with "them" says more about your grasp of English than it does Demi Lovato?

i think my point was made and you seem to have grasped it despite the acerbic comment

[user104658]

That would be “Her wore a lovely over the shoulder number” so you just did a bad job of changing the pronouns LT. All of those would be “they” and it reads fine on that basis; albeit with the issue that it’s harder to distinguish singular from plural if a lot of people are using the singular “they”.

It isn’t incorrect English, however.

[bots]

That would be “Her wore a lovely over the shoulder number” so you just did a bad job of changing the pronouns LT. All of those would be “they” and it reads fine on that basis; albeit with the issue that it’s harder to distinguish singular from plural if a lot of people are using the singular “they”.

It isn’t incorrect English, however.

it becomes undefined which is the basis of them doing it.

It's perfectly typical grammar to use when you don't know the sex of who you are referring to, going back decades

[Marsh.]

i think my point was made and you seem to have grasped it despite the acerbic comment

You haven't made any point. You've tried to make out the pronouns of they/them won't allow actual sentences to be made in place of she/her by using bad English.
That's a 'you' issue.