Texas is trying to ban and obscure the teaching of Slavery in Schools

[Tom4784]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/20/us/texas-history-1836-project.html

Basically a bunch of Right Wing led states are trying to ban the darker parts of US history being taught in school and Texas is one of the biggest ones to attempt it which is bad news considering they drive much of the textbook industry.

A bunch of white snowflakes simply can't handle that the history of their country is one mired in blood and racism and want to rewrite history to shove the uncomfortable parts under the table. Why is the right wing so scared of facts? It's honestly pathetic.

If you censor or ignore the uncomfortable parts of history, you're doomed to repeat it.

[arista]

Typical of that state.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Love the Lone Star State

[Tom4784]

Typical of that state.

Not just that state, there's others that have passed or are in the process of passing such laws.

All of which are typically right wing, no surprise there.

[Beso]

It makes sense to me.

To bring everyone together, we must forget our past.

[AnnieK]

It makes sense to me.

To bring everyone together, we must forget our past.

If that's how you think, we have to erase all of our own history.

We are meant to learn from our mistakes, not erase them and pretend they didn't happen.

[Beso]

If that's how you think, we have to erase all of our own history.

We are meant to learn from our mistakes, not erase them and pretend they didn't happen.

We dont need to pretend, we just dont need to teach the future generations.

[Beso]

Tough ask, with the net, but I can dream.

[AnnieK]

We dont need to pretend, we just dont need to teach the future generations.

Why not? We all studied history....our grandparents fought and in some cases died so we have a history to discuss. Our past dictates our present and future.

To know the mistakes makes us sure we don't (hopefully) repeat them

[Beso]

Why not? We all studied history....our grandparents fought and in some cases died so we have a history to discuss. Our past dictates our present and future.

To know the mistakes makes us sure we don't (hopefully) repeat them

The world is not in a position for it to repeat itself in regards to the white on black slavery story.

It will never happen again. To mention it, and to teach it. Well, I think it will only bring hate, or hate or hate.

[Jake.]

It makes sense to me.

To bring everyone together, we must forget our past.

Best just scrapping history altogether then?

[Beso]

Best just scrapping history altogether then?

Yep

[AnnieK]

The world is not in a position for it to repeat itself in regards to the white on black slavery story.

It will never happen again. To mention it, and to teach it. Well, I think it will only bring hate, or hate or hate.

But then why is there still racism? To eradicate it from history will not teach our children to not hate. If there was no prejudice I could possibly see where you're coming from but as there still is, we need to teach kids where it comes from and why it's wrong.

[Beso]

But then why is there still racism? To eradicate it from history will not teach our children to not hate. If there was no prejudice I could possibly see where you're coming from but as there still is, we need to teach kids where it comes from and why it's wrong.

There's still racism because we still teach history in schools.:shrug:

We've all seen those pictures of kids of all colours holding hands on billboards.

That's what we need to be teaching, not our history. Our history is all about division and war, and in the main only taken at secondary levels for the school trips. School trips to castles, or Auschwitz..or any other negative devisive memory from our shameful past.

Ban history from school, that's what I think..get a compass and take up geography.

[AnnieK]

There's still racism because we still teach history on schools.:shrug:

We've all seen those pictures of kids of all colours holding hands on billboards.

That's what we need to be teaching, not our history. Our history is all about division and war, and in the main only taken at secondary levels for the school trips. School trips to castles, or Auschwitz..or any other negative devisive memory from our shameful past.

Ban history from school, that's what I think..get a compass and take up geography.

Auschwitz? You want to eradicate what happened there? Pretend that millions of Jews, homosexuals, disabled people weren't murdered by the Germans? Do we pretend apartheid didn't happen in South Africa? What will that help?

You've been championing Israel lately, you think they want the suffering of the Jews erased in WW2? You want all those millions to have died and.now we don't tell the furore generations about their suffering? Its not just black and white history, if you stop teaching kids about the horrors that their ancestors faced to give them the present/future they have

[Niamh.]

Auschwitz? You want to eradicate what happened there? Pretend that millions of Jews, homosexuals, disabled people weren't murdered by the Germans? Do we pretend apartheid didn't happen in South Africa? What will that help?



You've been championing Israel lately, you think they want the suffering of the Jews erased in WW2? You want all those millions to have died and.now we don't tell the furore generations about their suffering? Its not just black and white history, if you stop teaching kids about the horrors that their ancestors faced to give them the present/future they haveOnly some history should be erased.....

[Beso]

Kids should, and do, judge people for themselves, without any pre conceived ideas put in their heads.


So yes, we dont need our kids taught about all that horrid nasty stuff.



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[Beso]

Daft argument annie considering you are probably up for taking down statues.

[Liam-]

Yet those people would have a fit if they were told to stop talking about 9/11

[AnnieK]

Daft argument annie considering you are probably up for taking down statues.

I've never once commented on that, but you put words in my mouth if you want.:shrug:

My son will learn all about this. countries, and the world's history, good and bad, from me if school won't teach it because my grandad was a PoW and so earned me that right....

[Jordan.]

Clearly some people didn't even go to school let alone take history classes. There is zero benefits to be had in not teaching future generations mistakes of the past, unless you are for repeating said mistakes of course.

[Marsh.]

We dont need to pretend, we just dont need to teach the future generations.

What a dumb comment.

"Don't need to teach future generations". Yeah, good plan. :rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

There's still racism because we still teach history in schools.:shrug:

Nope. No. No. :facepalm: I think maybe you could do with some history classes yourself.

[Tom4784]

It makes sense to me.

To bring everyone together, we must forget our past.

But the same crowd that says that are the same people who defend statues of racists as having historical importance. Which is it?

[Tom4784]

The idea that racism exists only because we teach people about the history of racism is the most bat**** ignorant thing I've seen on here in a long while and that's saying something. It's literally taking bigotry and victim blaming the victims of it by saying 'You can't talk about your experiences or your ancestor's struggles because my feelings might get hurt because I don't like to be reminded that my race enslaved yours.'

People who would whitewash history because they don't like the reality of it need to toughen the **** up and accept the facts.

[Ammi]

…I was reading just a few days ago a bit about the history of African Americans in Detroit…specifically in the later 60s…which really isn’t that long ago…and these are many prejudice mindsets and attitudes that stem from slavery and have still displayed through time and American history…the slow integration and acceptance of what were slave families into a free society and that integration being very much resisted by society sections…


…anyways, history is all we have and how we learn to move forward…for those who have faiths, the faiths are based on history, surely…on events of the past, so all of that would be erased as well if history wasn’t taught…it really would be like a ‘spotless mind’ scenario and creating a dystopian world…it would create the very opposite of tolerance…

…I read that it’s not taught very extensively in American schools but can’t really find that much information…our history is quite skimmed over as well because of curriculum restrictions so it’s something that I would think would have to be studied as a topic in later education…?….

[AnnieK]

In order to understand a lot of the world's issues, we need to look at the history of places. Why conflicts happened, how that affected the populace and when sometimes the feelings still run deep. To erase history makes it difficult to look at current affairs of our own and other countries.

[Ammi]

In order to understand a lot of the world's issues, we need to look at the history of places. Why conflicts happened, how that affected the populace and when sometimes the feelings still run deep. To erase history makes it difficult to look at current affairs of our own and other countries.

…it’s all any of us are and what we have of those we love…our memories/their history…the impact of a life lived and their legacy…we are who we are because of what came before and the present is impacting our children and so it goes on…

[bots]

providing a balanced view of history becomes ever harder, that is where the problem lies in teaching it. I wonder how these times will be taught in the future. There are so many alternative facts and fake news, where do the historians start?

[GoldHeart]

That's backwards and laughable when they have statues all over the place of slave owners that they practically worship.

They can try and censor history all they want but it's all there in black and white ,and children are inquisitive and they'll do their research.

Education is important especially when it comes to serious issues and topics like this, being ignorant doesn't help.

[Strictly Jake]

Ooh I love when I manage to catch up with a thread where people are fighting before comments are deleted. Usually I'm too late

As for the topic history is so fascinating it's unfortunate that the history we focused on it UK schools was Henry 8th and his wives and that was just about it

[Tom4784]

I’ve told you to stop making threads about members you was a mod and they kicked your arse out now you you just bitter and twisted

Grow the **** up, this tantrum you're in the midst of is honestly pathetic.

You made a dumbass statement that compared modern living to slavery, a practice that stripped people of their free will and dignity, that left them victim to endless suffering, abuse and rape. A practice that tore people from their homes and forced them to live lives of servitude. You're comparing holding down a job to that in order to dismiss the attempted whitewashing of history.

Also you're trying to make out that this is a thread about other members, tell me, are there any Texan lawmakers on this forum? Or is that yet another lie on top of the random lies about me as well?

Get some dignity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ooh I love when I manage to catch up with a thread where people are fighting before comments are deleted. Usually I'm too late

As for the topic history is so fascinating it's unfortunate that the history we focused on it UK schools was Henry 8th and his wives and that was just about it

im fairly;y certain you covered more than that and indeed would have looked at slavery as part of secondary History. I know I did.

what is a pity is that kids dont pay more attention in History or see it as a valid subject.

same for geography

[Marsh.]

I’m not your fcuking mate or buddy i know it’s slow on here so your trolling is down
Mods please stop this troll

Sure thing, mate.

[AnnieK]

im fairly;y certain you covered more than that and indeed would have looked at slavery as part of secondary History. I know I did.

what is a pity is that kids dont pay more attention in History or see it as a valid subject.

same for geography

I didn't cover slavery for secondary history. We did the industrial revolution in the Uk for GCSE. I think it depends on your school and the year as to what syllabus you cover

[Crimson Dynamo]

I didn't cover slavery for secondary history. We did the industrial revolution in the Uk for GCSE. I think it depends on your school and the year as to what syllabus you cover

surely you watched ROOTS?

everyone of a certain age on this forum must have?

:laugh:

[Beso]

In order to understand a lot of the world's issues, we need to look at the history of places. Why conflicts happened, how that affected the populace and when sometimes the feelings still run deep. To erase history makes it difficult to look at current affairs of our own and other countries.

What I'm saying is the future world may not have any issues if we stop teaching the worlds darker side in history

To teach it, breeds hatred.

[Marsh.]

What I'm saying is the future world may not have any issues if we stop teaching the worlds darker side in history

To teach it, breeds hatred.

It doesn't.

You think teaching about the history of the slave trade creates racists? :facepalm:

[Tom4784]

Ignoring the dark parts of the world's history won't do anything. History is filled with blood and it shouldn't be ignored. The only people who would suggest we forget about history are people who simply don't want to acknowledge the dark parts of their own heritage.

[Beso]

It doesn't.

You think teaching about the history of the slave trade creates racists? :facepalm:

No, it breeds contempt for honest white people

[Beso]

All these conflicts ain't new..they are decades and century old conflicts..

Jeez, forgive n forget for once.

[AnnieK]

surely you watched ROOTS?

everyone of a certain age on this forum must have?

:laugh:

Not when it first aired, I'm not that old :laugh:

You said Jake must have studied it at school, I was just pointing out that every school and every year does different topics.

[AnnieK]

All these conflicts ain't new..they are decades and century old conflicts..

Jeez, forgive n forget for once.

So why shouldn't we teach them?

[Marsh.]

No, it breeds contempt for honest white people

Oh.... it creates racism against white people?

Yeah, ok. :pat:

[Beso]

So why shouldn't we teach them?

Cause kids are far to impressionable.

[Beso]

Oh.... it creates racism against white people?

Yeah, ok. :pat:

So you think no black kid has learnt about slavery and spent the rest if his life hating whites for it :shrug:

Grow up.

[Tom4784]

No, it breeds contempt for honest white people

Our ancestors were colonisers, rapists and more. It is simply a fact of life, what breeds contempt (and I certainly have a lot of it for people who dismiss history) is people being unwilling to accept the facts.

German people are raised knowing exactly what happened in WW2, they do not shy away from uncomfortable truths even though a lot of people alive today would not have been during WW2. They do this because they understand it can never happen again.

America's history is rooted in slavery and racism and to teach American history without touching on that is not teaching history at all, it's teaching a fairy tale to people who don't want the truth.

History is dark and twisted and full of lessons for us to learn from, to ignore it because some white people can't accept the truth of their lineage is just immature and dangerous.

[Tom4784]

So you think no black kid has learnt about slavery and spent the rest if his life hating whites for it :shrug:

Grow up.

So you seek to deny people's history over a hysteric fear and an assumption about an entire race. Grim.

[Cherie]

I don’t agree with erasing history whatever form it takes

[Beso]

Our ancestors were colonisers, rapists and more. It is simply a fact of life, what breeds contempt (and I certainly have a lot of it for people who dismiss history) is people being unwilling to accept the facts.

German people are raised knowing exactly what happened in WW2, they do not shy away from uncomfortable truths even though a lot of people alive today would not have been during WW2. They do this because they understand it can never happen again.

America's history is rooted in slavery and racism and to teach American history without touching on that is not teaching history at all, it's teaching a fairy tale to people who don't want the truth.

History is dark and twisted and full of lessons for us to learn from, to ignore it because some white people can't accept the truth of their lineage is just immature and dangerous.


In sure there was plenty raping going on in africa before anyone was colonised...sign of the times I'm afraid:shrug:

[Beso]

So you seek to deny people's history over a hysteric fear and an assumption about an entire race. Grim.

It's not peoples history...


Peoples history starts from the day they were born, or imo, conceived..

[Tom4784]

In sure there was plenty raping going on in africa before anyone was colonised...sign of the times I'm afraid:shrug:

'We should ignore the reality of our ancestors and live in ignorance over the past because other people were rapists to so that makes it okay.'

****ed up attitude. Ignorance breeds bigotry and you're arguing for ignorance by acting like the past is some sort of disease that infects the present. Acknowledging the past is how we ensure to never repeat it.

[Marsh.]

So you think no black kid has learnt about slavery and spent the rest if his life hating whites for it :shrug:

Grow up.

Hmm, I think it's you who needs to grow up. You're living in a fantasy world.

[Tom4784]

It's not peoples history...


Peoples history starts from the day they were born, or imo, conceived..

Wrong.

Personal history is different to world history, ancestral history, natural history, etc.

Choosing ignorance is never the answer.

[Beso]

'We should ignore the reality of our ancestors and live in ignorance over the past because other people were rapists to so that makes it okay.'

****ed up attitude. Ignorance breeds bigotry and you're arguing for ignorance by acting like the past is some sort of disease that infects the present. Acknowledging the past is how we ensure to never repeat it.



And hows that going so far dezzy..are we not repeating it or is it still happening?...I mean it's been 2021 years since jesus!!

And we are still teaching about him...

[Marsh.]

It's not peoples history...


Peoples history starts from the day they were born, or imo, conceived..

Except the reality of people's lives and where they are in the world is hugely reliant on what came before their birth. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that. People don't exist in a vacuum.

[Beso]

Wrong.

Personal history is different to world history, ancestral history, natural history, etc.

Choosing ignorance is never the answer.

Prince harry now hates the royal family....he was taught their history.:shrug:

It breeds hatred, and that's the end off it..

Put me on your pathetic little list as well if you want.

[Beso]

Except the reality of people's lives and where they are in the world is hugely reliant on what came before their birth. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that. People don't exist in a vacuum.

Because decades upon decades of teaching your countries history to kids has kept the history hatred alive to this day..

[Tom4784]

And hows that going so far dezzy..are we not repeating it or is it still happening?...I mean it's been 2021 years since jesus!!

And we are still teaching about him...

Well, I haven't seen any world wars for a while, and the slave trade as it existed back then is basically done with, slavery still happens but the difference between then and now is that people fight against it, they learn from history and seek to undo it's failings. We don't stop learning from the past.

You're essentially arguing against education here, Parm. It's just really tragic.

[Tom4784]

Prince harry now hates the royal family....he was taught their history.:shrug:

It breeds hatred, and that's the end off it..

Put me on your pathetic little list as well if you want.

Well, he has nothing to do slavery or the argument of teaching history, but I'll indulge you.

What do you honestly think caused Harry's resentment of the system? Learning about Henry's wives being offed or living through his mother dying because of the system? Knowing first hand at the failings within it and how it doesn't protect the people he loves?

Apply a bit of thought and the answer is quite clear.

As for your last insult, have we reached the point where you realise you're losing and so you just throw out insults instead?

[Beso]

Nah..you ain't convinced me dezzy.

I still think it should be banned from teaching.

[Tom4784]

Well, you're perfectly entitled to be wrong.

[Beso]

Diana didnt die because of the system.
She died in a tunnel, miles and miles and miles away from her 2 precious boys, probably on the way to a shagging session with her fancy man.

[Tom4784]

Cognitive dissonance in action.

[Beso]

Well, you're perfectly entitled to be wrong.

I'm also entitled to believe I'm right, and to continue to believe so.

[arista]

Yes Dezzy,
the Full History must be taught.


Why is President Biden
not enforcing it?

[Tom4784]

Yes Dezzy,
the Full History must be taught.


Why is President Biden
not enforcing it?

Probably because education curriculum is something that is typically handled by the state governments and not the federal one.

[Marsh.]

Because decades upon decades of teaching your countries history to kids has kept the history hatred alive to this day..

Would you like to back that up with some statistics and facts?

No. Because you can't.

[arista]

Probably because education curriculum is something that is typically handled by the state governments and not the federal one.



Yes they just
said on SkyNewsHD
in Texas, they are bringing Voter restrictions
Trump Won Texas, of course.

[Tom4784]

Would you like to back that up with some statistics and facts?

No. Because you can't.

It's an example of someone holding their feelings higher than the facts. There are no facts that support the idea that teaching people about racism makes people racist. The fact that each generation marches towards progress is proof of the opposite in fact.

When you teach people the grim reality of history, they typically learn from it and have, so far, tried to do better given the progress of civil rights over the past few generations.

[Tom4784]

Yes they just
said on SkyNewsHD
in Texas, they are bringing Voter restrictions
Trump Won Texas, of course.

The GQP doesn't like that they lost, so they're trying to implement voter suppression wherever they can, when less people vote, republicans tend to win.

[Beso]

Would you like to back that up with some statistics and facts?

No. Because you can't.

I shall refer you to the year 2021 and why the world is still up in arms about who's jesus.

[Marsh.]

I shall refer you to the year 2021 and why the world is sti up in arms about who's jesus.

Trying to change your argument this late in the game won't work pal.

[Tom4784]

I googled it.

And you are trying to make out I'm changing **** up to help my mental state.

Well, look at Diana, I'm fairly sure you've held her up as an argument for your beliefs in the past, and the moment I use her to argue against a point you've made. You shift gears and make out she died because she went to see her 'fancy man'.

Instead of admitting the failures of your argument, you twisted things around to support a failing argument. You held contrasting beliefs and you warped one to support the other.

[Beso]

Trying to change your argument this late in the game won't work pal.

It proves my argument in my head...:joker:

So I'm fine with it..

Any stats that prove teaching history works?

[Tom4784]

I shall refer you to the year 2021 and why the world is still up in arms about who's jesus.

Debates about history and religion is not repeating past mistakes. People still theorise about all kinds of history. Nothing you've said has changed the fact that your stance is one not backed up by any facts or logic.

[Beso]

Well, look at Diana, I'm fairly sure you've held her up as an argument for your beliefs in the past, and the moment I use her to argue against a point you've made. You shift gears and make out she died because she went to see her 'fancy man'.

Instead of admitting the failures of your argument, you twisted things around to support a failing argument. You held contrasting beliefs and you warped one to support the other.

I've never mentioned diana on here....I think she was a **** mum, so i reckon if i have mentioned her it would have been along those lines.

[Marsh.]

It proves my argument in my head...:joker:

Well, as long as it makes sense in your head.


Any stats that prove teaching history works?

You mean apart from all the progress we've made down the generations? Sure.

[Marsh.]

I've never mentioned diana on here....

Except when you did...

Diana didnt die because of the system.
She died in a tunnel, miles and miles and miles away from her 2 precious boys, probably on the way to a shagging session with her fancy man.

[Beso]

Debates about history and religion is not repeating past mistakes. People still theorise about all kinds of history. Nothing you've said has changed the fact that your stance is one not backed up by any facts or logic.

Debates is fine for adults. But , it's when some young kid gets a reason to hate taught to them..that's when it changes for me.

[Beso]

Well, as long as it makes sense in your head.



You mean apart from all the progress we've made down the generations? Sure.

History didnt change the slave trade

[Tom4784]

It proves my argument in my head...:joker:

So I'm fine with it..

Any stats that prove teaching history works?

If people didn't learn from history, we'd have had a few more world wars by now, black people would probably still have fewer rights than white people in america, women would have probably had rights stripped away from them again and being gay would be illegal.

Learning from the past works because there's proof of it everywhere you look.

[Beso]

Except when you did...

Along those lines.:shrug:

Useless post, you need that deducted from your post count tbh.

[Tom4784]

History didnt change the slave trade

Except it did. You're getting confused about what you're trying to argue against.

[Beso]

If people didn't learn from history, we'd have had a few more world wars by now, black people would probably still have fewer rights than white people in america, women would have probably had rights stripped away from them again and being gay would be illegal.

Learning from the past works because there's proof of it everywhere you look.



Yes..I agree.

But the world has stabilised enough now for the past to be untaught in schools.

If its taught more it just gives the worlds kids an opportunity to begin hating and using again on a selected target.

[Beso]

Except it did. You're getting confused about what you're trying to argue against.

It did not. There was no history of american slavery, it just happened, then was abolished


Nothing to do with history at all.

[Marsh.]

Yes..I agree.

But the world has stabilised enough now for the past to be untaught in schools.

If its taught more it just gives the worlds kids an opportunity to begin hating and using again on a selected target.

So your argument is basically.... I'm sick of racism talk, I'm white and I'm not racist so let's forget it because it makes me uncomfortable to discuss. Rather than any actual incidence of history in schools causing this so-called hate.

Ok.

[Beso]

So your argument is basically.... I'm sick of racism talk, I'm white and I'm not racist so let's forget it because it makes me uncomfortable to discuss. Rather than any actual incidence of history in schools causing this so-called hate.

Ok.



The slave trade has nothing to do with racism...it was merely money motivated.

[Marsh.]

The slave trade has nothing to do with racism...it was merely money motivated.

Again, changing your argument this late in the game is not going to work.

You've gone from claiming history of the slave trade being taught creates racism to the slave trade is not about race. Have you forgotten what your point was?

[Beso]

Again, changing your argument this late in the game is not going to work.

You've gone from claiming history of the slave trade being taught creates racism to the slave trade is not about race. Have you forgotten what your point was?

I've made my point, you just dont understand it.


I've had, and said my piece on this subject..:wavey:

[Tom4784]

It did not. There was no history of american slavery, it just happened, then was abolished


Nothing to do with history at all.

Nah, you're talking yourself in circles.

Saying that history is pointless because it can't prevent something that didn't happen in history before is ridiculous. Tell me, since slavery was abolished, have we as a nation led any boats to africa to kidnap people to sell on as slaves? Have black people been regularly enslaved in the US?

The problem is that you're constantly trying to change the goalposts and worm your way out of admitting you're wrong when you don't really have another option. You can't argue against people learning from history's mistakes since pretty much all our civil advances over the years have been reliant on learning from past injustices and so now you're trying to make out that history shouldn't be taught because it couldn't something from happening that didn't happen before.

The slave trade happened, it was abolished and people learned from it, which is why Europe isn't running a modern day slave trade today.

[Tom4784]

The slave trade has nothing to do with racism...it was merely money motivated.

Of course it did, white people saw black people as being lesser which is why they sold them like animals. Denying the racism of the situation is as pointless as saying that history shouldn't be taught.

[Beso]

I've made my point, you just dont understand it.


I've had, and said my piece on this subject..:wavey:

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course it did, white people saw black people as being lesser which is why they sold them like animals. Denying the racism of the situation is as pointless as saying that history shouldn't be taught.

some "white" people did

The VAST MAJORITY had nothing to do with it

I learned that in History lessons

[The Slim Reaper]

some "white" people did

The VAST MAJORITY had nothing to do with it

I learned that in History lessons

What was the US civil war about? Vast majority suggests at least 80%.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What was the US civil war about? Vast majority suggests at least 80%.

im talking about the world, not North America and even if i was the figure stands in terms of involvement in the trade.

[Tom4784]

.

And that doesn't stop me from responding as I please.

[Marsh.]

I learned that in History lessons

Sure.

[GoldHeart]

surely you watched ROOTS?

everyone of a certain age on this forum must have?

:laugh:

Not everyone has seen Roots , and schools are very limited with what they actually teach. I remember thinking how weird it is how the focus was mostly on Henry the 8th and Hastings 1066 etc.

[GoldHeart]

Cause kids are far to impressionable.

Kids are also inquisitive, so maybe we should quit trying to water down history :hee:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not everyone has seen Roots , and schools are very limited with what they actually teach. I remember thinking how weird it is how the focus was mostly on Henry the 8th and Hastings 1066 etc.

why you live in England?

did you also wonder why you did not get taught about the Ming Dynasty?

:joker: