Education Sec: UK Schools Ensure Political Impartiality

[arista]

"Over Israel -Palestinian Conflict"


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[Oliver_W]

Fair. Though the whole conflict would be better off being Section 28ed (if that can be a verb :joker: ) because why does it need to be talked about in schools? People chirruping on about "genocide" probably don't bother to mention how awful Hamas are, and everything they do to their own people.

[Tom4784]

Fair. Though the whole conflict would be better off being Section 28ed (if that can be a verb :joker: ) because why does it need to be talked about in schools? People chirruping on about "genocide" probably don't bother to mention how awful Hamas are, and everything they do to their own people.

'Genocide is okay as long as you're killing terrorists alongside all the innocent people. HAMAS are bad, so Israel are doing Palestinians a favour by freeing them.... from their lives.'

[Oliver_W]

'Genocide is okay as long as you're killing terrorists alongside all the innocent people. HAMAS are bad, so Israel are doing Palestinians a favour by freeing them.... from their lives.'

Neither side is good :shrug:

Calling it "genocide" doesn't paint a fully accurate picture when population growth in Palestine has been steadily growing since the 90s. If people could publicly talk about it without taking sides at all that'd be something, but the rise in antisemitism suggests people find that hard.

[Tom4784]

Neither side is good :shrug:

Calling it "genocide" doesn't paint a fully accurate picture when population growth in Palestine has been steadily growing since the 90s. If people could publicly talk about it without taking sides at all that'd be something, but the rise in antisemitism suggests people find that hard.

If you want to sit on the fence (while CLEARLY having a preference), then do so, but don't encourage people to do the same.

Israeli soldiers are regularly executing and abusing citizens while removing them from their homes and stripping them of their rights. You have isreali soldiers shooting upon mosques, throwing grenades at ambulances and treating people like animals that they can put down as you please and you're trying to make out that this isn't leading to genocide? Oh, to be naive.

Also, I see your attempt to equate criticising Israel to anti-semitism. To reduce such a serious thing as a way to silence criticism of a country abusing human rights is anti-semitic in itself.

[arista]

Dezzy in School Class
you can not Chuck in

"Israeli soldiers are regularly executing and abusing citizens"

You're just going cause a Division.
As a Teacher
you would get Fired.

[Oliver_W]

Also, I see your attempt to equate criticising Israel to anti-semitism. To reduce such a serious thing as a way to silence criticism of a country abusing human rights is anti-semitic in itself.

The increase of antisemitism isn't coming from thin air.

[Elliot]

You can’t sit on the fence when people are dying. People need to be educated on the tragedies and war going on rn

[bots]

well if the countries in the middle east stopped trying to kill jews it would be a good start, no? or is that ok

[Crimson Dynamo]

well if the countries in the middle east stopped trying to kill jews it would be a good start, no? or is that ok

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[Elliot]

well if the countries in the middle east stopped trying to kill jews it would be a good start, no? or is that ok

Pls read a book

[bots]

Pls read a book

please don't colour your judgement with left wing propaganda

[Toy Soldier]

The only answer IS the balanced answer - the battle is between the state of Israel and Hamas terrorists, and innocent civilians get caught in between and ****ed over without a second thought. Such is war.

[Oliver_W]

You can’t sit on the fence when people are dying. People need to be educated on the tragedies and war going on rn

Then I guess we should talk all about how Hamas uses Palestinian people as human shields, and keeps and launches weapons from schools and hospitals.

[Tom4784]

The increase of antisemitism isn't coming from thin air.

The anti-semitism has always been there, it's not a new thing and it's not a tool to silence criticism of Israel.

Then I guess we should talk all about how Hamas uses Palestinian people as human shields, and keeps and launches weapons from schools and hospitals.

This is interesting, you keep focusing on making out that palestinians are only being harmed by Hamas despite evidence to the contrary, you even completely cut out the the parts where I listed acts of violence towards innocent people by Israeli soldiers. Do you think ignoring parts of what I say will make your argument seem less like bull****? You keep pushing one narrative while completely ignoring a huge chunk of reality just because it puts a dent in what you are saying.

You can't ignore what Israel have done to the Palestinian people and how their apartheid and human rights abuse does nothing but feed the conflict they've created. Israel is not some vulnerable country in need of our protection and defense, it's a nuclear power and one of the biggest powers in the middle east. Palestine is a country without an official army and the continued raping and pillaging of the country is being justified by pointing out terrorism like it justifies the horrific human rights abuse that is taking place.

I brought this up before and people were too cowardly to argue against it and so I'll say it again. What would you have said if the UK went further against the IRA in the 80's? What if we occupied Parts of Ireland and forced people out of their homes? What if we forced people into essentially open air prisons based on nothing but the fact they're irish? Would we not be the bad guys if we used the excuse of terrorism to oppress and dominate Ireland? Terrorism does not justify war crimes, murder, and human rights abuse as a response.

Israel are not simply defending themselves, they are subjugating another country and inflicting horrible abuse upon them while claiming to be completely innocent. It will eventually get to the point where Israel and Nazi Germany will not be too different from each other.

[Tom4784]

please don't colour your judgement with left wing propaganda

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person in the world, Bots.

[Liam-]

In other words ‘please ignore all evidence of Israel’s wrongdoing’

[Oliver_W]

In other words ‘please ignore all evidence of Israel’s wrongdoing’

Just don't make it look like either side is fully innocent. Acknowledge Israel's wrongdoings and Hamas'.

[bots]

If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person in the world, Bots.

i wish you would stop with the constant insulting of members, it's very tiresome. How about you respect that people are entitled to have different opinions to your own

[Liam-]

Just don't make it look like either side is fully innocent. Acknowledge Israel's wrongdoings and Hamas'.

Is Hamas the whole of Palestine? Because they’re not just attacking Hamas are they? This ‘war’ is being presented as a war against terrorists by the Israel fan club, let’s not pretend that this hasn’t come after a long period of terror and dehumanisation against the people of Palestine.

[Tom4784]

i wish you would stop with the constant insulting of members, it's very tiresome. How about you respect that people are entitled to have different opinions to your own

You can have an opinion, other people are free to disagree with that opinion, that's how freedom of speech works. It's not a ****ing shield to prevent people from responding to you.

Trying to make out that this is just a case of Israel trying to defend themselves from the evil palestinians is just foolish. Is Palestine occupying Israel? Are Israelis the constant victims of abuse by Palestinian armies? No, because they don't have any armies. Are israelis being forced out of their homes? No.

Israel aren't defending themselves, they're conquering Palestine while the right wing gaslights the world into thinking it's anti-semitic to call out Israel on their actions. You go on about 'left wing propaganda' while you gorge yourself silly on Right Wing propaganda and it's just beyond hypocritical.

[DouglasS]

You can have an opinion, other people are free to disagree with that opinion, that's how freedom of speech works. It's not a ****ing shield to prevent people from responding to you.

Trying to make out that this is just a case of Israel trying to defend themselves from the evil palestinians is just foolish. Is Palestine occupying Israel? Are Israelis the constant victims of abuse by Palestinian armies? No, because they don't have any armies. Are israelis being forced out of their homes? No.

Israel aren't defending themselves, they're conquering Palestine while the right wing gaslights the world into thinking it's anti-semitic to call out Israel on their actions. You go on about 'left wing propaganda' while you gorge yourself silly on Right Wing propaganda and it's just beyond hypocritical.

Yes but Dezzy you direct things towards members making it personal almost every post. No one else really seems to do that :shrug:

You’ve done it to bots, they are not saying you’re not entitled to your opinion, they’re just asking you not to bring in personal attacks or them into the argument/disagreement

[Tom4784]

Yes but Dezzy you direct things towards members making it personal almost every post. No one else really seems to do that :shrug:

Funny joke.

[Livia]

Read through this thread, it'll give you some idea how the Education Secretary's request us going to play out. Antisemitism is justified for some who clearly believe Jews get everything they deserve regardless of the fact that they are British subjects and not Israelis. These are the same people who will remind us - not that we need reminding - all that not all Muslims are terrorists and worry for the safety of the Muslim community when n a bomb goes off. The same ones who label other people bigots and racists if they disagree with them in any way.

[Liam-]

You might need to brush up on your reading comprehension if that’s genuinely what you believe you’ve read, but I’m going to hazard a guess and say that it’s not

[Livia]

You might need to brush up on your reading comprehension if that’s genuinely what you believe you’ve read, but I’m going to hazard a guess and say that it’s not


There's no problem with my comprehension. I think it may be you, if you think the Education Secretary's request is not right. Let's have all kids think they already know all about the Middle East and Israel in particular, then they can accuse people like me, who've worked in Israel and Palestine of having trouble comprehending things.

[Tom4784]

Read through this thread, it'll give you some idea how the Education Secretary's request us going to play out. Antisemitism is justified for some who clearly believe Jews get everything they deserve regardless of the fact that they are British subjects and not Israelis. These are the same people who will remind us - not that we need reminding - all that not all Muslims are terrorists and worry for the safety of the Muslim community when n a bomb goes off. The same ones who label other people bigots and racists if they disagree with them in any way.

If that's what you've taken away from this thread then you have very poor reading skills indeed.

As usual, you've missed the point of what's been said to try to incorrectly brand people anti-semites and, in the process, be quite anti-semitic yourself.

The audacity of crying about people rightfully being called bigots while you're falsely branding people anti-semitic over their views of Israel's abuses is just so typically hypocritical of you.

Who is justifying anti-semitism? Give me examples, I won't hold my breath considering you never do give examples because you don't have any, because you lie as easily as you breathe.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, that's just a fact, kinda like how not all of Israel agree with the treatment of Palestine given the number of hung elections they tend to have. You keep hypocritically making out that criticising Israel is akin to being anti-semitic but you're just weaponising the long suffering of a people to try and fail to silence views that upset you, and it's disgraceful. Jews aren't responsible for what's happening to Palestine, that's entirely the fault of the Isreali government that continue to oppress and Palestinian people, engage in apartheid practices and commit endless offences regarding human rights.

By constantly trying to make out people are anti-semitic on this website when they clearly aren't, you undermine the suffering of the jews throughout the course of history. You should be ashamed.

[Liam-]

There's no problem with my comprehension. I think it may be you, if you think the Education Secretary's request is not right. Let's have all kids think they already know all about the Middle East and Israel in particular, then they can accuse people like me, who've worked in Israel and Palestine of having trouble comprehending things.

Frankly, I couldn’t care less where you’ve worked, if you’ve read through this thread and genuinely believe that it shows that people couldn’t care less about Jews or are happy when they get attacked and whatnot, then I’m certainly baffled

[Tom4784]

I'm the first person to go to Mars and I'm currently engaged in a throuple with Chris Evans and Gal Gadot.

It's very easy to lie online, which is why saying you've worked somewhere is not an argument. Use logic, use knowledge, but claims of experience means nothing by itself.

[Oliver_W]

Is Hamas the whole of Palestine? Because they’re not just attacking Hamas are they? This ‘war’ is being presented as a war against terrorists by the Israel fan club, let’s not pretend that this hasn’t come after a long period of terror and dehumanisation against the people of Palestine.

Oh it's certainly Israel vs Hamas rather than Israel vs Palestine. It's just a shame that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields, along with schools and hospitals...

[Liam-]

Oh it's certainly Israel vs Hamas rather than Israel vs Palestine. It's just a shame that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields, along with schools and hospitals...

If it makes you feel better to believe that then go ahead

[Oliver_W]

If it makes you feel better to believe that then go ahead

And if you're happy with heaping all the blame on one side then you go ahead.

[Tom4784]

Well, the one side has an official army, nukes, and is one of the most powerful nations in the middle east, the other is being occupied and oppressed by them.

Israel could end this conflict whenever they wished, they have the power here, but they'd rather use Hamas as an excuse to inflict egregious war crimes and human rights abuses on the people of Palestine.

[Oliver_W]

Well, the one side has an official army, nukes, and is one of the most powerful nations in the middle east, the other is being occupied and oppressed by them.
Yeah, Israel's not being perfect either.


Israel could end this conflict whenever they wished, they have the power here, but they'd rather use Hamas as an excuse to inflict egregious war crimes and human rights abuses on the people of Palestine.

Oh yeah, the terrorists in Hama's would totally pack up and go home if Israel "stopped"...

[Tom4784]

Yeah, Israel's not being perfect either.



Oh yeah, the terrorists in Hama's would totally pack up and go home if Israel "stopped"...

That's an horrific understatement considering the buckets of civilian blood Israel have spilled and continue to spill, but not unexpected from someone who has a history of undermining the suffering of non-white people. Let's not do the whole 'Both sides' thing, you obviously think one side is in the right and that's good ol' apartheid-enforcing Israel (no surprise, really).

As for the second point, you've completely failed to understand what I'm saying. Why is reading comprehension so hard to come by around here? Israel have the ability to end Hamas, but they never do because doing so would get rid of the flimsy justification for the subjugation and abuse of the palestinian people. Ignorant people like yourself will cheer on abuses against brown people since you can just use terrorism to justify it, but if Israel wipe Hamas off the map, that rings less true. They become the regime that's killing and abusing innocents, they don't become any different to any other corrupt Middle Eastern country.

As long as Hamas are still around, Israel can keep abusing the people of Palestine and ignorant people will cheer them on as heroes for it.

[Oliver_W]

As long as Hamas are still around, Israel can keep abusing the people of Palestine and ignorant people will cheer them on as heroes for it.

Then I guess it's better for everyone that Hamas are removed, especially the Palestinian people they abuse.

[Livia]

If that's what you've taken away from this thread then you have very poor reading skills indeed.

As usual, you've missed the point of what's been said to try to incorrectly brand people anti-semites and, in the process, be quite anti-semitic yourself.

The audacity of crying about people rightfully being called bigots while you're falsely branding people anti-semitic over their views of Israel's abuses is just so typically hypocritical of you.

Who is justifying anti-semitism? Give me examples, I won't hold my breath considering you never do give examples because you don't have any, because you lie as easily as you breathe.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, that's just a fact, kinda like how not all of Israel agree with the treatment of Palestine given the number of hung elections they tend to have. You keep hypocritically making out that criticising Israel is akin to being anti-semitic but you're just weaponising the long suffering of a people to try and fail to silence views that upset you, and it's disgraceful. Jews aren't responsible for what's happening to Palestine, that's entirely the fault of the Isreali government that continue to oppress and Palestinian people, engage in apartheid practices and commit endless offences regarding human rights.

By constantly trying to make out people are anti-semitic on this website when they clearly aren't, you undermine the suffering of the jews throughout the course of history. You should be ashamed.

When you make anti-Semitic comments you show me who and what you are, and you're not the only one on this forum. If the mods knew enough about anti-Semitism, or cared enough to find out, you wouldn't get away with the poisonous, uneducated crap you spout. Your comments on this thread alone show me you are a massive anti-Semite... but you don't even realise what it is you've said! The Hamas apologists just don't get that their comments are anti-Semitic.

The saddest thing for me is that, you make wildly anti-Semitic comments because you don't really understand what anti-Semitism is. And then to to[ it all off the anti-Semite tells ME I should be ashamed.

Ridiculous.

[Tom4784]

Then I guess it's better for everyone that Hamas are removed, especially the Palestinian people they abuse.

Then perhaps you should ask yourself why Israel haven't done so, considering the advantages they possess and they fact they've basically occupied Palestine as is.

[Tom4784]

When you make anti-Semitic comments you show me who and what you are, and you're not the only one on this forum. If the mods knew enough about anti-Semitism, or cared enough to find out, you wouldn't get away with the poisonous, uneducated crap you spout. Your comments on this thread alone show me you are a massive anti-Semite... but you don't even realise what it is you've said! The Hamas apologists just don't get that their comments are anti-Semitic.

The saddest thing for me is that, you make wildly anti-Semitic comments because you don't really understand what anti-Semitism is. And then to to[ it all off the anti-Semite tells ME I should be ashamed.

Ridiculous.

I've never said anything anti-semitic, you delusional pathological liar.

But go on then, Livia, prove that I've said anti-semitic stuff, go on. If I'm an anti-semite like you've said then it shouldn't be hard right? Point it out, explain. Where are my supposed anti-semitic remarks? This is a debate, so qualify your claims.

I won't hold my breath, because we all know you are talking out of your arse.

You're reducing the pain and suffering of an entire people in order to try to silence views you dislike, you're a disgrace and you make light of anti-semitism every time you utter your poisonous slander.

[Tom4784]

Well, looks like I was right.