Murder at the Cottage Sky Crime (Ammi)

[Niamh.]

I watched the first 2 last night, it's a 5 part show

About Murder at the Cottage

Two days before Christmas in 1996, Sophie Toscan du Plantier was brutally murdered at her holiday cottage in Schull, West Cork. The murder rocked the quiet Irish town and 24 years later, the case remains a mystery. This series sees six-time Oscar-nominated filmmaker, Jim Sheridan, piece together original evidence, never-before-seen footage, and interviews with those closest to the case to try to make sense of what really happened.

[Ammi]

…I’ve just checked and I think that I can watch this on NOW TV so I’ll try to start watching later…:love:…

[Shaun]

title suggesting Ammi is the culprit? smh

[Ammi]

…:laugh:…Cottage use during COVID restricted times, the resourceful guide…

[Niamh.]

…I’ve just checked and I think that I can watch this on NOW TV so I’ll try to start watching later…:love:…

let me know what you think, I think there's only 2 episodes out so far (I can only find the 1st 2 anyway)


title suggesting Ammi is the culprit? smh

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3oEduUXLWIRdWaadRC/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[Ammi]

…oh it’s showing more episodes for me so I’m not sure if I can access them all, then…I think they’re all showing…I’ve just started to watch and I’m loving Jim Sheridan storytelling…:love:…if I didn’t have any familiarity at all, I’d be totally gripped already ….

[Niamh.]

…oh it’s showing more episodes for me so I’m not sure if I can access them all, then…I think they’re all showing…I’ve just started to watch and I’m loving Jim Sheridan storytelling…:love:…if I didn’t have any familiarity at all, I’d be totally gripped already ….

Enjoy the beautiful West Cork Scenery :love: it's my favourite place in the world. We've been looking for property around there the last few months and I noticed that I'd seen Sophies neighbours house on(the house that the lady who found her body lived in), the house right behind hers. Would be a bit eerie living there though I think

I've had to use play back to watch the episodes and I can only go back a week, so I can only get the first 2 atm, looks like I might get 1 or 2 more on Sunday

[Cherie]

Enjoy the beautiful West Cork Scenery :love: it's my favourite place in the world. We've been looking for property around there the last few months and I noticed that I'd seen Sophies neighbours house on(the house that the lady who found her body lived in), the house right behind hers. Would be a bit eerie living there though I think

I've had to use play back to watch the episodes and I can only go back a week, so I can only get the first 2 atm, looks like I might get 1 or 2 more on Sunday

OMG we have been on daft.ie looking at properties in West Cork, we might be neighbours :dance:

[Cherie]

Started this last night, thanks for the heads up

[Niamh.]

OMG we have been on daft.ie looking at properties in West Cork, we might be neighbours :dance:

they're pretty scarce atm, I think everyone has had the same idea over Lock Down and now working from home is such a big thing :laugh:

I'll send you the link of the neighbours house

[Ammi]

Enjoy the beautiful West Cork Scenery :love: it's my favourite place in the world. We've been looking for property around there the last few months and I noticed that I'd seen Sophies neighbours house on(the house that the lady who found her body lived in), the house right behind hers. Would be a bit eerie living there though I think

I've had to use play back to watch the episodes and I can only go back a week, so I can only get the first 2 atm, looks like I might get 1 or 2 more on Sunday

…it’s incredible…:love:..I can see why it was a place where Sophie felt such an affinity with and spent her time there…(…sitting in the same chair, ordering the same scone and tea etc….)….and all of the ‘blow ins’ who also seemed to spend their time there as well…and the people…?…how much they also ‘adopted’ those blow ins as their own as well…

[Niamh.]

…it’s incredible…:love:..I can see why it was a place where Sophie felt such an affinity with and spent her time there…(…sitting in the same chair, ordering the same scone and tea etc….)….and all of the ‘blow ins’ who also seemed to spend their time there as well…and the people…?…how much they also ‘adopted’ those blow ins as their own as well…

Yeah, there's a massive English population down that way as well

[Ammi]

…so I don’t think that I realised or I’d forgotten…

…with the timeline, that Ian Bailey seemed to know some details about Sophie’s killing before those details had become known and that was the first suspicion of the police…he’d known that she wasn’t sexually assaulted…

[Niamh.]

…so I don’t think that I realised or I’d forgotten…

…with the timeline, that Ian Bailey seemed to know some details about Sophie’s killing before those details had become known and that was the first suspicion of the police…he’d known that she wasn’t sexually assaulted…

Yeah

I remember all that from the first few epsiodes of the Pod cast too and I was definitely thinking he was guilty at that point

[Ammi]

…when her parents went to see her in the mortuary and they’d obviously done every thing they could to conceal her facial damage..oh my Lord, that’s a vision that they’ll always carry…I know and understand the awful emotional turmoil of her husband…but that he didn’t to see for himself to help him believe that she was gone…and they were the ones to have to do that ….

[Niamh.]

…when her parents went to see her in the mortuary and they’d obviously done every thing they could to conceal her facial damage..oh my Lord, that’s a vision that they’ll always carry…I know and understand the awful emotional turmoil of her husband…but that he didn’t to see for himself to help him believe that she was gone…and they were the ones to have to do that ….

It's just ever parents worst nightmare to lose a child but to lose her in such a violent and brutal way, it doesn't even bare thinking about, does it?

[Ammi]

It's just ever parents worst nightmare to lose a child but to lose her in such a violent and brutal way, it doesn't even bare thinking about, does it?

…no it really doesn’t…but for it to have been such a violent death as well…the layers of nightmare that places on that death as well…and literally look stare it in her face… it really does break your heart for them…

[Ammi]

…I have one episode and a bit still to watch …


…not really a spoiler/give away …just some thoughts…
…I’ve always felt that it was Ian Bailey but as has been said, the suspects were very limited to people that the Garda could investigate and Ian Bailey was the number 1 ….but there were also possibilities of her own family and her husband who had been having an affair with the person who became his 4th wife just 18months after Sophie’s death….her mother had also been the victim of a violent murder….he had an alibi but could have arranged for someone to kill her….

[Ammi]

…The series was so well done…the story, just leaves a completely overwhelming feeling of melancholy and gloom, though that is so consuming…her parents, her son and that ‘act of violence toward them as well, that taking of their lives…’…as was said, there were two wrongs done…the brutal taking of her life and the absence of justice….

…I honestly don’t know anymore whether Ian Bailey killed Sophie but in the eyes of the law and French justice, he’s indeed guilty of her murder…I feel that he’s a deeply unpleasant man…and if he is innocent of Sophie’s murder, he’s guilty of bringing so much on himself…like he wanted to be that centre of attention for all the wrong reasons and being the control type person he appears to be, he felt that he would just be able to shake it off….I didn’t see any sense from him of what Jules’ life has been or the family of Sophie…he only really seems to have a sense of himself and the impact….

[Cherie]

I was leaning to thinking maybe he was set up until I saw the pictures of battered Jules, the jury is out for me currently, on ep 3, Jule was a drinker so it is possible he left the house, but given how tiny the community is if the was a link between him and Sophie it would be known, and what would bring him out there if he didn't know her

[Ammi]

…Its interesting how Ian Bailey referred to Sophie as ‘that woman’ at one point…he didn’t even say her name and the way he referred to Jules a few times as ‘her’, it feels as though he has such contempt/low regard for females…and yet he made comment that he doesn’t feel any anger with everything/insisting on his innocence….I’m glad that Jim Sheridan responded in the way he did…hmmmmm, excuse me..?…his anger is so apparent, his lack of thought for anyone except himself is so apparent….

[Niamh.]

I won't read the spoilers until I finish the series, I'll be waiting a while though because I'll have to wait till Sunday again

[Ammi]

…there is another 3 part series on Netflix airing 30th June, I think…A Murder in West Cork…I sadly don’t think it’s ever going to be anything other than unsolved and it’s so emotionally harrowing and saddening to see her family’s life and what Sophie went through as well and to know that there will probably never be justice…it really is incredibly upsetting, I’m not sure that I’ll be able to watch the other one…so soon anyway, how it wasn’t just one life that was taken…

[Niamh.]

…there is another 3 part series on Netflix airing 30th June, I think…A Murder in West Cork…I sadly don’t think it’s ever going to be anything other than unsolved and it’s so emotionally harrowing and saddening to see her family’s life and what Sophie went through as well and to know that there will probably never be justice…it really is incredibly upsetting, I’m not sure that I’ll be able to watch the other one…so soon anyway, how it wasn’t just one life that was taken…

Yeah that's the one I was talking about before. I'll probably watch that too.

[Ammi]

…and for those who actually knew her in Schull…some can still barely speak about it, their voices breaking with the emotion…the impact of the violence of her death and ‘a monster living among them’ is just a darkness on their lives…

[Niamh.]

…and for those who actually knew her in Schull…some can still barely speak about it, their voices breaking with the emotion…the impact of the violence of her death and ‘a monster living among them’ is just a darkness on their lives…

Yeah definitely, it's such a peaceful, friendly place too, always so safe

[Cherie]

Finished this now.

it left me feeling a little empty and sad, I changed my mind multiple times about whether he is the killer, if he is, he will never do time for it, I feel the family were let down badly by the Guards very early on, they put all their eggs in one basket and it appears interfered with witnesses to get a conviction, Marie Farrell retracting her statement, and the guy they paid off to befriend him all helps Baileys case, I am not sure he or Jules Thomas are stable enough to have kept the murder to themselves all this time, also there didn't seem to be a motive other than that it gave him work, then the French accepting Marie Farrells first statement and not accepting her offer to go to France to attend the trial, it felt again like they were doing anything they could to be a guilty verdict, her poor parents and her son, it's all very sad and will we ever know the truth, Jules leaving Bailey finally was the only high point for me

[Ammi]

Finished this now.

it left me feeling a little empty and sad, I changed my mind multiple times about whether he is the killer, if he is, he will never do time for it, I feel the family were let down badly by the Guards very early on, they put all their eggs in one basket and it appears interfered with witnesses to get a conviction, Marie Farrell retracting her statement, and the guy they paid off to befriend him all helps Baileys case, I am not sure he or Jules Thomas are stable enough to have kept the murder to themselves all this time, also there didn't seem to be a motive other than that it gave him work, then the French accepting Marie Farrells first statement and not accepting her offer to go to France to attend the trial, it felt again like they were doing anything they could to be a guilty verdict, her poor parents and her son, it's all very sad and will we ever know the truth, Jules leaving Bailey finally was the only high point for me

…I feel incredibly sad for her son and her parents because two horrendous crimes have been committed in her brutal death but also in the absence of justice for it….

…It’s a difficult thing because with some of the things that I originally read with the case…(…which may or may not be true…)…I thought that I’d read that he had, had and kept photographs of ‘beaten up women’ and was quite obsessed with violent death…there seem to have been accounts that weren’t shown in the series….and there is going to be another series in a few days time and that might show a different perspective again….I do agree with what was said at the end in that Ian Bailey has ‘created his own guilt’ in this by his actions and words etc at the beginning… and being egotistical enough to ‘mock himself as the killer if he didn’t do it…’…. He’s created his own nightmare world and his own personal prison…
…and still he had very little thought for Sophie’s family and their life prison, it was all about him….when he referred to Sophie as ‘that woman’…awful….


…I am a little suspicious of her husband at the time as well…I know that he had an alibi but he could have had someone else commit the crime …I think he’s dead now, I’m not sure…?….

…in anyways, I doubt that there will ever be accountability and justice sadly…

[Niamh.]

Finished Ep 4 last night, have to wait till Sunday now for the last episode ggrrr The Police made a right balls of the investigation though

[Cherie]

Finished Ep 4 last night, have to wait till Sunday now for the last episode ggrrr The Police made a right balls of the investigation though

They really did, but then it's hard to blame them, its not exactly standard work they were asked to do, they should have sent a team from the Smoke to handle if from the off

[Cherie]

…I feel incredibly sad for her son and her parents because two horrendous crimes have been committed in her brutal death but also in the absence of justice for it….

…It’s a difficult thing because with some of the things that I originally read with the case…(…which may or may not be true…)…I thought that I’d read that he had, had and kept photographs of ‘beaten up women’ and was quite obsessed with violent death…there seem to have been accounts that weren’t shown in the series….and there is going to be another series in a few days time and that might show a different perspective again….I do agree with what was said at the end in that Ian Bailey has ‘created his own guilt’ in this by his actions and words etc at the beginning… and being egotistical enough to ‘mock himself as the killer if he didn’t do it…’…. He’s created his own nightmare world and his own personal prison…
…and still he had very little thought for Sophie’s family and their life prison, it was all about him….when he referred to Sophie as ‘that woman’…awful….


…I am a little suspicious of her husband at the time as well…I know that he had an alibi but he could have had someone else commit the crime …I think he’s dead now, I’m not sure…?….

…in anyways, I doubt that there will ever be accountability and justice sadly…


I found it particularly poignant that her son still had her coat on the hook and her tea,

[Niamh.]

They really did, but then it's hard to blame them, its not exactly standard work they were asked to do, they should have sent a team from the Smoke to handle if from the off

Yeah probably never came across anything that big ever down that direction and probably never did again i would imagine

[hijaxers]

Just been reading Ian Bailey is threatening to sue Netflix re another documentary thats also been released.

[Ammi]

I found it particularly poignant that her son still had her coat on the hook and her tea,

…I know, she was everything in his life as she and his father had separated when he was a baby and for 14yrs she had been his life’s happiness and then it all became such a sadness…I guess that one thing if any small light can be taken at all is that I read that Pierre became closer with his father again…

[Ammi]

Just been reading Ian Bailey is threatening to sue Netflix re another documentary thats also been released.


The crews of the Sky and Netflix documentaries were in West Cork at the same time. Pierre-Louis claims Sheridan told locals not to speak to the Netflix crew. “That was so wrong,” he says. “It is a public affair and nobody has the right to block witnesses. This is not Jim Sheridan’s project, it’s not Jim Sheridan’s life, it’s not Jim Sheridan’s affair. I really was furious. I told him, ‘Stop, I’m not happy with that.’”

Bailey signed an exclusivity deal with Sheridan, meaning Netflix only had interviews with him from 2018. Bailey is now threatening to sue Netflix for airing them. “Exclusive contracts are rare in documentaries but for a prime suspect to sign one when he claims he wants his story out there is odd,” says Dower. “Sheridan’s film takes the stance that Ian Bailey is a victim of police corruption and they’re entitled to do that; we took the view of the family [that Bailey is guilty]. The idea that documentaries are objective is bollocks. Now Bailey’s saying our film is poisonous propaganda. I don’t want to make this about the battle of the two films, because ours is about Sophie and this story, but it’s unavoidable.”


https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/sophie-toscan-du-plantier-murder-in-west-cork-pierre-louis-netflix-b1874170.html

[Niamh.]

Will be interesting to see the netflix take on it but there was undoubtedly Police corruption going on

[Ammi]

Will be interesting to see the netflix take on it but there was undoubtedly Police corruption going on

…it says in the article that Sophie’s family would only agree to take part if it was more a tribute to her life…so that’s the perspective it’ll take I would think….it just all leaves such sadness because I doubt there will ever be justice, poor Sophie and her family …and poor Schull because this is something that scarred their lives so much as well when they speak of it…