Gas & Electricty Prices Crises (Poor got £650) 11:30AM Live

[arista]

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£20billion for a new Nuclear plant.

A local lady in Wales
was very upset,
they have a Nuclear Plant there now
and soon Another New One,
to be built next to it.

[Zizu]

I will be voting for Labour and I can't believe I'm saying that


Neither can they .... even labour followers aren’t convinced


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[Cherie]

Neither can they .... even labour followers aren’t convinced


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you going to vote for the Tories Zizu, who partied in lockdown? remember how annoyed you got with your neighbours not following the rules :skull:

[Zizu]

Neither can they .... even labour followers aren’t convinced


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We need a brand new party incorporating top business people , surgeons , good intelligent, responsible basically ( no politicians at all )

Also a charismatic figurehead .. like Russell Brand or the like ..


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[Zizu]

you going to vote for the Tories Zizu, who partied in lockdown? remember how annoyed you got with your neighbours not following the rules :skull:


I don’t vote .. never have , never will ..

Like I’ve said all along I wouldn’t trust ANY political party or any politician for that matter .. I just detest some more than others ..

Every single political party has/have been horrendous since I can first remember-around 1970 ..

My stance on Boris ( like it or not ) that like millions of other Brits I just think he’s a ‘good hearted person’ .. obviously the vast majority of his supporters will Tories but his politics don’t feature in my judgement of him ..


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[Zizu]

you going to vote for the Tories Zizu, who partied in lockdown? remember how annoyed you got with your neighbours not following the rules :skull:


... also I’m fairly certain that many Labour politicians also broke the lockdown rules ..


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[Zizu]

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Find me an audio clip of him actually saying that ..


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[The Slim Reaper]

Find me an audio clip of him actually saying that ..


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You have a higher requirement of evidence than a court. As John Lennon said "Whatever gets you through the night."

[Cherie]

... also I’m fairly certain that many Labour politicians also broke the lockdown rules ..


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Hardly the point, they didnt make the rules :shrug:

Lots of people broke them, but did they make them and expect others to abide by them....no

[Zizu]

You have a higher requirement of evidence than a court. As John Lennon said "Whatever gets you through the night."


The time I start taking any notice of newspaper headlines will be a very dark day


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[Zizu]

Hardly the point, they didnt make the rules :shrug:

Lots of people broke them, but did they make them and expect others to abide by them....no


I’d expect EVERYONE to abide by the rules .. by your reasoning only a handful of people have to follow the rules but the rest of the country don’t have to .. as we didn’t make the rules


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[The Slim Reaper]

Find me an audio clip of him actually saying that ..


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Just a good hearted person

C9MUwBEJRwk

[Cherie]

I’d expect EVERYONE to abide by the rules .. by your reasoning only a handful of people have to follow the rules but the rest of the country don’t have to .. as we didn’t make the rules


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That is not my reasoning at all, everyone should of course have followed the rules, but if those setting them dont, then unfortunately you are sunk....

Dominic Cummings set the standard

[Zizu]

That is not my reasoning at all, everyone should of course have followed the rules, but if those setting them dont, then unfortunately you are sunk....

Dominic Cummings set the standard


But you can’t absolutely savage the Tory staff for occasionally breaking the rules when everyone and his sister were ALSO having parties at every opportunity


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[Kizzy]

But you can’t absolutely savage the Tory staff for occasionally breaking the rules when everyone and his sister were ALSO having parties at every opportunity


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Yes you can.. as said many times they made the rules, they passed laws to enforce those rules.
The majority of the country were respectful of those laws, to the point where they saw loved ones die or give birth alone....

Can you understand how this has undermined trust and faith in those people that our govt were making these rules in our best interests in the hope of containing coronavirus spread?

Everyone was not having parties at all, as we wanted to protect the vulnerable.

[Kizzy]

From Ch5HDnews Live News Hour 5PM

£20billion for a new Nuclear plant.

A local lady in Wales
was very upset,
they have a Nuclear Plant there now
and soon Another New One,
to be built next to it.

Ridiculous. .. especially seeing as they would be targets in any conflict.

[arista]

Ridiculous. .. especially seeing as they would be targets in any conflict.


They will be Safe
and they are needed.


We will not be in any war
by the time these are up and running
Putin will be gone

[GoldHeart]

But you can’t absolutely savage the Tory staff for occasionally breaking the rules when everyone and his sister were ALSO having parties at every opportunity


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Oh really
And what do you think the reaction would be if Labour did the exact same thing, Jeremy Corbyn & Diane Abbot probably would have received death threats and they'd need to beef up their security and resign and go into hiding.

But because Boris is seen as a 'funny' village idiot he can do and say whatever he wants, with little to no repercussions.

[Zizu]

Yes you can.. as said many times they made the rules, they passed laws to enforce those rules.
The majority of the country were respectful of those laws, to the point where they saw loved ones die or give birth alone....

Can you understand how this has undermined trust and faith in those people that our govt were making these rules in our best interests in the hope of containing coronavirus spread?

Everyone was not having parties at all, as we wanted to protect the vulnerable.


‘ everyone’ was a figure of speech ..
two families in our nice little cul de sac where having fairly regular parties , as were others to the back of us ( barbecues ) ...

I’m saying ‘people’ did break the rules - mainly under 40’s though .


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[Zizu]

Oh really
And what do you think the reaction would be if Labour did the exact same thing, Jeremy Corbyn & Diane Abbot probably would have received death threats and they'd need to beef up their security and resign and go into hiding.

But because Boris is seen as a 'funny' village idiot he can do and say whatever he wants, with little to no repercussions.


Well Boris is not an idiot and he’s just liked by an awful lot of people for some reason

Corbyn and his ex ( Abbott ) are simply disliked / distrusted for varying reasons ..


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[bots]

Chancellor Rishi Sunak has said it would be "silly" to provide more support to tackle rising energy bills now, before knowing what will happen to prices in the autumn.

Households faced a 54% hike in energy costs this month, along with record-high inflation hitting their pockets.

Opposition parties have called for an emergency budget from the government to focus on the cost-of-living crisis.

But Mr Sunak said he wanted to see what happened with energy prices first.
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That's very helpful :skull:

[Cherie]

Chancellor Rishi Sunak has said it would be "silly" to provide more support to tackle rising energy bills now, before knowing what will happen to prices in the autumn.

Households faced a 54% hike in energy costs this month, along with record-high inflation hitting their pockets.

Opposition parties have called for an emergency budget from the government to focus on the cost-of-living crisis.

But Mr Sunak said he wanted to see what happened with energy prices first.
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That's very helpful :skull:
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yes how silly to help prices that have gone up by more than 54% in alot of cases.....:skull:

yet they cant seem to track down all those who defrauded the business grant scheme.....I can't get away with avoiding a parking fine that but these guys got 50K plus

[Kizzy]

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yes how silly to help prices that have gone up by more than 54% in alot of cases.....:skull:

yet they cant seem to track down all those who defrauded the business grant scheme.....I can't get away with avoiding a parking fine that but these guys got 50K plus

Because they don't want to... there will be maybe one or two that will be made scapegoats to show they're 'serious' but most businesses will get away with it expecially if they've ceased trading.

[Cherie]

Because they don't want to... there will be maybe one or two that will be made scapegoats to show they're 'serious' but most businesses will get away with it expecially if they've ceased trading.

Rishi has already said they have just written it off, which I think is appalling

[Kizzy]

Rishi has already said they have just written it off, which I think is appalling

It was just another way of funneling public money to their mates, of course they're not going to investigate.

[arista]

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[Toy Soldier]

Translation; the prices have been pushed so high that a significant number of people can no longer pay at all or are significantly reducing their power usage, resulting in it actually lowering profits for the energy companies. Wups.

[Denver]

Translation; the prices have been pushed so high that a significant number of people can no longer pay at all or are significantly reducing their power usage, resulting in it actually lowering profits for the energy companies. Wups.

Yea they weren't complaining when weeks before they was sharing out Billions of pounds in bonuses between them

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Translation; the prices have been pushed so high that a significant number of people can no longer pay at all or are significantly reducing their power usage, resulting in it actually lowering profits for the energy companies. Wups.

And in top of that even those who can afford it are now monitoring every penny spent People are using less wherther it’s not using the tumble dryer, dishwasher as often etc and when prices go down that habit will probably not change

[bots]

treating people like poop is unsustainable. I dread to think what it will be like next winter. It's not even about whether you can afford it or not, people remember what their bills used to be and the further the companies raise those bills, the more ways people will find to offset it. I can imagine all sorts of dangerous exploits coming into play very soon

[Toy Soldier]

treating people like poop is unsustainable. I dread to think what it will be like next winter. It's not even about whether you can afford it or not, people remember what their bills used to be and the further the companies raise those bills, the more ways people will find to offset it. I can imagine all sorts of dangerous exploits coming into play very soon

There were already reports of people giving themselves carbon monoxide poisoning by cooking on disposable barbeques indoors :facepalm:.

I mean yes it's dumb for two reasons,

1) carbon monoxide poisoning

2) a disposable bbq costs more than the energy you'd use cooking anyway even at high prices


But yeah... people are dumb and will do these things.

[arista]

[cooking on disposable barbeques indoors]


Yes Tragic,
not enough air flow.

[bots]

There were already reports of people giving themselves carbon monoxide poisoning by cooking on disposable barbeques indoors :facepalm:.

I mean yes it's dumb for two reasons,

1) carbon monoxide poisoning

2) a disposable bbq costs more than the energy you'd use cooking anyway even at high prices


But yeah... people are dumb and will do these things.

people are going to start tampering with electricity supplies, going back to the main junction box etc, god forbid if they start messing with gas supplies, but you just know that some folks will and then its explosion time

[Toy Soldier]

people are going to start tampering with electricity supplies, going back to the main junction box etc, god forbid if they start messing with gas supplies, but you just know that some folks will and then its explosion time

TBF no one has physically looked at my electricity reading for 5+ years... I could probably just invent the number forever (or until they force a smart meter). I imagine a lot of people are but... if/when they get the real reading a massive bill will be issued :shrug:.

HOWEVER

...the powers for chasing utilities debts are not huge. It isn't traditional credit.

[bots]

im on smart meters for both which is good and bad. I can easily identify whats using the power and see you much it is costing me, but there comes a point where you just cant turn off anymore stuff

[ThomasC]

people are going to start tampering with electricity supplies, going back to the main junction box etc, god forbid if they start messing with gas supplies, but you just know that some folks will and then its explosion time

I have experience of this, not because they were trying to save money.

When you work in social care not a lot surprises you.

[Toy Soldier]

There are tonnes of videos on TikTok talking about bypassing the electricity meter, suggesting that it's "legal" to do so, and even dodgy sparkies offering their services to do it. So horrifyingly dangerous, both in terms of actually initially ****ing about with a mains electricity cable, and the fire hazard of a badly done wiring job.

It's like when I was a teenager and a mate of mine taught me how to get movies for free on Sky Movies using a 9v battery hooked up to the phone line :joker:. Except... you couldn't DIE from that.

[bots]

The boss of the UK's energy regulator has warned that the energy price cap is expected to rise to around £2,800 in October.

Jonathan Brearley told MPs that the price cap, which is currently at £1,971, will increase due to continued volatility in the gas market.

He said the price rises were a "once in a generation event not seen since the oil crisis in the 1970s".

The Ofgem chief executive apologised and pledged to "fix" the energy market.

The energy price cap is the maximum price per unit that suppliers can charge customers. It has already risen in April, meaning that homes using a typical amount of gas and electricity are now paying an extra £700 per year on average.

Mr Brearley said conditions in the global gas market had "worsened" following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which has led to concerns of potential supply issues

"Gas prices are higher and highly volatile. At times, they've now reached over 10 times their normal level," Mr Brearley said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61562657

[Cherie]

That is insane

[arista]

Yes £2,800 in October
is a Shocker,


The Chancellor will have to do something.

[arista]

That is insane



No it is Putin's fault

[Cherie]

No it is Putin's fault

No its our government’s fault...France have capped increases at 4%

[arista]

No its our government’s fault...France have capped increases at 4%


Yes France was fast to screw it down

[Toy Soldier]

Not to be a broken record or anything but ... it also wouldn't be happening if we'd properly embraced nuclear energy as we wouldn't be reliant on gas for energy production, so increased gas prices would only affect the gas market, not electricity.

My prices are still capped until october - at which point I'm fully expecting my bill to double, which will take it over £3500/year.

The quoted monetary value is meaningless... £2800 cap doesn't mean £2800 is the most you'll pay, it's supposedly based on an "average family home"... I live in a semi-detached with a famly of 4, you don't get much more "average" than that and my bills will definitely be more than £2800.

[bots]

with everything thats going on, its going to be a ****ed up winter

[Toy Soldier]

with everything thats going on, its going to be a ****ed up winter

There's really no question that some elderly people will die as a result of under-heated homes, and plenty of children will be going cold (and hungry) as well. I find it horrifying really. We have a decent household income now and it's still distinctly uncomfortable; if this had been happening 10 years ago we'd have been completely ****ed. No two ways about it really. It wouldn't just have been hard or a stretch - we simply wouldn't have been able to pay the bills :shrug:.

[arista]

with everything thats going on, its going to be a ****ed up winter


Rishi Sunak
can do lots of things
to prevant that,

[bots]

Rishi Sunak
can do lots of things
to prevant that,

yeah, he has been so understanding about it so far

[arista]

yeah, he has been so understanding about it so far

True Nothing yet.

[Toy Soldier]

Rishi Sunak
can do lots of things
to prevent that,

A very succinct example of the unfortunate difference between "can" and "will".

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[bots]

they simply need to stop increasing the cap. No more of this crap about reducing peoples council tax if they are in a particular band range. Nothing else is appropriate

[Cherie]

they simply need to stop increasing the cap. No more of this crap about reducing peoples council tax if they are in a particular band range. Nothing else is appropriate

as well as reducing the standing charge and taking VAT off bills that would at least give a little help immediately

[arista]

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[arista]

SkyText
[Every household in the country will have
extra money taken off their energy bills
this autumn under a new cost of
living support package from the government,]

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[arista]

Sunak is Live today
with new measures of help

[Alf]

Sunak is Live at 11:30AM today
with new measures of helpHe should resign too, he's guilty.

[Cherie]

What a surprise that this is announced the day after Sue Grays report finally hit the deck

[arista]

He should resign too, he's guilty.


Rubbish

[arista]

What a surprise that this is announced the day after Sue Grays report finally hit the deck

It has been worked on for
a month or so.

It must be today
as it is the last day of Parliament.

Another Holiday the MP's have

[Cherie]

It has been worked on for
a month or so.

It must be today
as it is the last day of Parliament.

Another Holiday the MP's have

They could have announced it on Tuesday or waited until they came back...what’s the rush, this won’t kick in until the Autumn by the looks of it

[Denver]

We have had a 119% rise to our energy bills this hear France has had a 4% rise, dk you want to know the difference? France have their energy companies public owned while we sold ours off to let the rich get even more richer at the expense of the poorest

[bots]

we all know they wont offer enough to actually help people, so there is no point getting excited about it. They could easily say we are not going to increase the cap instead of measures that do nothing

[arista]

They could have announced it on Tuesday or waited until they came back...what’s the rush, this won’t kick in until the Autumn by the looks of it


Due to it being the last day of Parliament,
it is today like we already know, we do not have to pay back the Energy
Bill,

So the £200 of the bill is Free is Sept now.

[Toy Soldier]

Due to it being the last day of Parliament,
it is today like we already know, we do not have to pay back the Energy
Bill,

So the £200 of the bill is Free is Sept now.


Which makes zero difference to the immediate issue.

[arista]

It is 12:30PM Live in Parliament


Rishi Sunak

[The Slim Reaper]

We have had a 119% rise to our energy bills this hear France has had a 4% rise, dk you want to know the difference? France have their energy companies public owned while we sold ours off to let the rich get even more richer at the expense of the poorest

You were anti-Corbyn - the only politician that offered public ownership. That 119% rise is what you all voted for.

[arista]

His Live Now

[arista]

He is talking about Help.


Labour Keep shouting

[arista]

DWP to give £650 for 8million households in 2 payments


£150 For Disabled in bank accounts in Sept


Pensioners one off Payment £300

[Cherie]

400.00 for everyone, wont need to be paid back

[Cherie]

DWP to give £650 for 8million households in 2 payments


£150 For Disabled in bank accounts in Sept


Pensioners one off Payment £300

400.00 for everyone, wont need to be paid back

These two together are a pretty good package ....finally

[arista]

400.00 for everyone, wont need to be paid back


Yes a Good Measure

[arista]

Labour is talking about
the delay,


And says it all their plan?

[arista]

[Lowest income households to
get one-off payment of £650
Chancellor Rishi Sunak says around
eight million of the lowest income
households will be sent a one-off
payment of £650.]


In a 2 Part Payment.

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[Toy Soldier]

It’s still slapping a sticking plaster on a wound that needs stitches, they need to look at how to stop the bleeding not how to mop up the blood.

All of this combined barely covers the gas & elec increases and even then only for the worst off. We still have on top of that, prices at the pumps continuing to rise, food prices continuing to rise… if food and fuel go up another 10% (they probably will) then that’s every one of these measures wiped out already.

Real measures are needed to stop the cost of living CONTINUING to increase. Not these measures to try to mitigate little bits of the shortfall. It’s better than nothing but that’s about all that can be said.

If energy prices continue to increase in 2023 it’s completely unsustainable, drastic action needs to be taken.

[Cherie]

It’s still slapping a sticking plaster on a wound that needs stitches, they need to look at how to stop the bleeding not how to mop up the blood.

All of this combined barely covers the gas & elec increases and even then only for the worst off. We still have on top of that, prices at the pumps continuing to rise, food prices continuing to rise… if food and fuel go up another 10% (they probably will) then that’s every one of these measures wiped out already.

Real measures are needed to stop the cost of living CONTINUING to increase. Not these measures to try to mitigate little bits of the shortfall. It’s better than nothing but that’s about all that can be said.

If energy prices continue to increase in 2023 it’s completely unsustainable, drastic action needs to be taken.

The prediction seems to be that energy prices will fall in 2023, not sure how they can predict that but its has been mentioned from several sources

[arista]

https://twitter.com/PJTheEconomist/status/1529790374465654790

[arista]

TS just before October
Sunak can help again.

[Cherie]

at least the squeezed middle will get some relief even if it is just 400.00 ...given most will not have got the 150.00 council tax rebate

[Alf]

Great news for the pubs and weed dealers.

[bots]

The prediction seems to be that energy prices will fall in 2023, not sure how they can predict that but its has been mentioned from several sources

the energy companies buy at future prices, so they know the price is coming down, because thats what they paid for it

[Cherie]

the energy companies buy at future prices, so they know the price is coming down, because thats what they paid for it

ah right that makes sense

[michael21]

400.00 for everyone, wont need to be paid back

Yes £400. Coming to the rich man :laugh:

[Cherie]

Yes £400. Coming to the rich man :laugh:

It will go straight to the rich energy company I am afraid :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

at least the squeezed middle will get some relief even if it is just 400.00 ...given most will not have got the 150.00 council tax rebate


I (usually) get anything disabilities related as well because it’s technically my daughters and thus not means-tested. Kids disability stuff has just switched from DWP to Social Security Scotland though… however it’s usually matched £ for £ to England if not more.

[arista]

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[Zizu]

at least the squeezed middle will get some relief even if it is just 400.00 ...given most will not have got the 150.00 council tax rebate


We got our £150 straight into our bank account last week.. I presumed everyone else did


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[Cherie]

We got our £150 straight into our bank account last week.. I presumed everyone else did


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Its only for properties in bands A to D, we are E :fist:

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

I think its great ,it will all help , never look a gift horse in the mouth.

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[arista]

Rishi Sunak has confirmed he will do this all again

[Zizu]

When and how do we all get our £400 ??


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[Cherie]

When and how do we all get our £400 ??


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it will be sent directly to your energy supplier in the Autumn and they will apply it to your bill over 6 months I believe

[bots]

it will be sent directly to your energy supplier in the Autumn and they will apply it to your bill over 6 months I believe

i have separate suppliers for gas and electric, i wonder how they are going to split that ..... i bet it means that people get less

[Cherie]

i have separate suppliers for gas and electric, i wonder how they are going to split that ..... i bet it means that people get less

I think it will probably go to whoever your electric supplier is as not every household has gas ...that was where the original 200.00 that we had to pay back was going anyway

[Toy Soldier]

i have separate suppliers for gas and electric, i wonder how they are going to split that ..... i bet it means that people get less

I think it will probably go to whoever your electric supplier is as not every household has gas ...that was where the original 200.00 that we had to pay back was going anyway

Makes sense and in theory it doesn't matter if it all goes to one and none to the other, it all works out the same in the end.

I switched bank accounts for my DD's last month and forgot to change my energy one... paid it manually as soon as I noticed and made a mental note to sort the direct debit at some point before the next is due... got a letter yesterday saying "your direct debit has been cancelled, your fixed tariff's T&C's say you must have an active direct debit, please arrange a new direct debit or you'll be switched to stardard rate"...

I've never jumped on the phone so quickly :joker:.

[arista]

Is it not going Direct to the Gas Supply (£400)
only?

[Cherie]

Is it not going Direct to the Gas Supply (£400)
only?

No because that would discriminate against those who use oil or other means to heat their homes, given they want people to move away from gas this would be a strange move!

[Toy Soldier]

Is it not going Direct to the Gas Supply (£400)
only?

The gas prices crisis isn't about your literal gas supply arista; electricity prices are also massively hiked because so much of our grid power generation relies on natural gas. Arguably that's the much bigger problem. No one actually needs a gas supply at all. Scottish islands (and much of the highlands) don't even have mains gas, for example.

[arista]

The gas prices crisis isn't about your literal gas supply arista; electricity prices are also massively hiked because so much of our grid power generation relies on natural gas. Arguably that's the much bigger problem. No one actually needs a gas supply at all. Scottish islands (and much of the highlands) don't even have mains gas, for example.

Yes Electrics
makes sense

[michael21]

Is it not going Direct to the Gas Supply (£400)
only?

I am trying to be good so will not make any sort of joke :bawling:

[Toy Soldier]

My sister (an island-dweller) has her electricity on one of those prepay key things. I wonder what happens then? Do they just lump £400 onto the balance? lol

TBH I doubt she uses £400 of electricity in an entire year... she lives alone and works 50 hour weeks, and when she has leave etc. from work she's usually over on the mainland at my dad's. She basically needs enough electricity for a few hours of telly and a cup of tea in the evening.

She doesn't even use the electric heating as she has an open fire and gets logs on the cheap.

[Alf]

So, how's "Build back better" going so far? Are you impressed?

[michael21]

My sister (an island-dweller) has her electricity on one of those prepay key things. I wonder what happens then? Do they just lump £400 onto the balance? lol

TBH I doubt she uses £400 of electricity in an entire year... she lives alone and works 50 hour weeks, and when she has leave etc. from work she's usually over on the mainland at my dad's. She basically needs enough electricity for a few hours of telly and a cup of tea in the evening.

She doesn't even use the electric heating as she has an open fire and gets logs on the cheap.

All prepay key owners will miss out on the £400.:fist:

[Cherie]

All prepay key owners will miss out on the £400.:fist:

Is that the same as pre pay meters, they will be topped up with credit or vouchers given

[Cherie]

My sister (an island-dweller) has her electricity on one of those prepay key things. I wonder what happens then? Do they just lump £400 onto the balance? lol

TBH I doubt she uses £400 of electricity in an entire year... she lives alone and works 50 hour weeks, and when she has leave etc. from work she's usually over on the mainland at my dad's. She basically needs enough electricity for a few hours of telly and a cup of tea in the evening.

She doesn't even use the electric heating as she has an open fire and gets logs on the cheap.

Her prepay will be topped up or vouchers given

[Toy Soldier]

Her prepay will be topped up or vouchers given

I reckon it'll pay most of her entire year :fist:.

Not that I'm jealous, she lives alone in the middle of nowhere, I get creeped out at her house even when I'm there with the whole family... ... she lives there alone :omgno: ... all through the dark winter and everything D:...

[Cherie]

I reckon it'll pay most of her entire year :fist:.

Not that I'm jealous, she lives alone in the middle of nowhere, I get creeped out at her house even when I'm there with the whole family... ... she lives there alone :omgno: ... all through the dark winter and everything D:...

Sound idyllic and horrific in equal measure :laugh:

What does she spend 50 hours a week working on.

[Toy Soldier]

Sound idyllic and horrific in equal measure :laugh:

What does she spend 50 hours a week working on.

She manages a café, so as far as I understand, she runs around in a sort of manic chaos all summer (tourist season) and then does ... not very much at all between the end of October and the beginning of March. I think that's basically island life in a nutshell. Very busy summers and very quiet winters.

I'd love to live on an island to be fair - but I'd want to be in or at least NEAR one of the little villages. Her cottage has literally nothing around it for a couple of miles in both directions. Maybe I'm just a wimp :joker:. It is gorgeous on a nice sunny afternoon but on a windy pitch black evening in the middle of winter? :worry: what if there's MONSTERS??

[arista]

So, how's "Build back better" going so far? Are you impressed?


It appears to be on hold
due to Covid-19

[bots]

For anyone interested, i managed to get a fixed rate for electricity that is £20 a month more than i am currently paying on the standard tariff. A couple of months ago it was 2-3 times what i am currently paying :laugh:

[Cherie]

who is that with BOTs and how long is the fix for?

[bots]

who is that with BOTs and how long is the fix for?

that's with EDF, and its fixed for a couple of years. Electricity prices may well be on their way down, but I dont believe for a moment they will approach 2021 prices for a long time, if ever, and they could go back up again.

If I consider that i'm getting £400 from the government in October, it makes it pretty compelling

[Cherie]

Will have a look at it thanks

[Toy Soldier]

For anyone interested, i managed to get a fixed rate for electricity that is £20 a month more than i am currently paying on the standard tariff. A couple of months ago it was 2-3 times what i am currently paying :laugh:

What are the actual unit prices?

[bots]

What are the actual unit prices?

i can't view that now, it only shows my current tariff which is the standard rate, if i click on change tariff, it says ive already done that :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

i can't view that now, it only shows my current tariff which is the standard rate, if i click on change tariff, it says ive already done that :laugh:


If it’s the one I’m looking at it’s an eye watering 42p per kwh for electricity. I think mine would work out £20 - £30 more than I pay currently (still on a fixed pre-October 2021 tariff) but that’s with me factoring in the £400 discount.

To be fair I don’t think it’s right as it’s also estimating that I pay equal amounts to electricity and gas, but we actually use eff all gas, despite having an ancient boiler.

[Cherie]

I did a very generic comparison it would charge me 160.00 a month for electric, now we are paying 90.00, our total bill with gas is 120.00, we pay 230.00 DD though they wanted to put it up to 290.00 ....so we should be in a decent amount of credit come the Autumn I think we will stay put :worry:

[bots]

all i can say is that it worked out ok for me, and i just don't like uncertainty

[bots]

If it’s the one I’m looking at it’s an eye watering 42p per kwh for electricity. I think mine would work out £20 - £30 more than I pay currently (still on a fixed pre-October 2021 tariff) but that’s with me factoring in the £400 discount.

To be fair I don’t think it’s right as it’s also estimating that I pay equal amounts to electricity and gas, but we actually use eff all gas, despite having an ancient boiler.

i was able to check it today and it's 35p

[bots]

an anecdotal update on this. Changing to the new tariff triggered a review on my direct debit payment and the upshot is that i am now paying £30 a month less than I was on the standard tariff :joker:

I think i've been using marginally less electricity since the price hike but not enough to equate to £30 a month :laugh: My only explanation is that they over estimated my usage by quite a large margin when they bumped up the price

[arista]

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[bots]

UK energy suppliers have been told to review the way they charge customers by direct debit amid complaints about soaring charges and credit balances.

The regulator Ofgem also urged six suppliers to take "immediate" action to tackle issues with their charging processes.

Some 500,000 households saw direct debit payments double this year, Ofgem said, despite prices rising by 54%.

It wants suppliers to check whether such a large increase was justified.

The six suppliers singled out included Ecotricity, Good Energy, Green Energy UK, Utilita Energy, TruEnergy and UK Energy Incubator Hub (which has now ceased trading).

Ofgem found they had "moderate to severe" weaknesses, ranging from inadequate charging processes to lacking a structured approach to setting direct debits.

The watchdog has now ordered all energy suppliers to review the accounts of customers whose direct debit was doubled or more between February and the end of April.

Where appropriate, Ofgem said it expected suppliers to adjust any miscalculations, including making repayments if needed, and consider whether a goodwill payment is warranted.

"Suppliers must do all they can, especially during the current gas crisis, to support customers and to recognise the significant worry and concern increased direct debits can cause," said Jonathan Brearley, Ofgem's chief executive.

"We know there is some excellent service out there, but we want to make sure that it's consistent and standard across the board. It's clear from today's findings on direct debits that there are areas of the market where customers are simply not getting the service they need and rightly expect in these very difficult times."

British Gas, EDF, Scottish Power and SO Energy were given a clean bill of health. Bulb, E.ON, Octopus Energy, Outfox the Market, Ovo, Shell and Utility Warehouse were found to have some minor issues.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62148487

[Cherie]

Octopus tried to double ours, I wouldn't call it a minor issue

[Zizu]

Octopus tried to double ours, I wouldn't call it a minor issue


Why would you ever trust in a financial company called Octopus :)


I never understood the attraction of getting a Goldfish credit card either

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[Cherie]

Why would you ever trust in a financial company called Octopus :)


I never understood the attraction of getting a Goldfish credit card either

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I was moved there when my Energy company went bust, that said I am happy with the service they give

and their electric is fully green :love:

[bots]

my electricity is apparently 100% green too, which means it must be nuclear

[Vanessa]

My electric is going like crazy. The gas not so much.

[Cherie]

my electricity is apparently 100% green too, which means it must be nuclear

not necessarily 100%

At Octopus we use renewable energy sources primarily from wind, solar and hydro (water) sources to power our 100% green electricity.

[Zizu]

I was moved there when my Energy company went bust, that said I am happy with the service they give

and their electric is fully green :love:


That’s good


I just wonder what they were thinking at the first meeting ...

“ right we need a good , memorable name that sounds reliable and trustworthy “

“ Octopus !! “


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[smudgie]

Ours have gone silly.
In the downwards direction.
We pay £96 a month direct debit fixed until February, but we can’t be using much as this months bill is only £56 so we are another £40 in credit.

[Zizu]

Ours have gone silly.
In the downwards direction.
We pay £96 a month direct debit fixed until February, but we can’t be using much as this months bill is only £56 so we are another £40 in credit.


Sounds like a glitch ..

I’d start saving up ;)


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[bots]

my payment also came down, i forced them to do a review of what i was paying them .... boom big reduction

[arista]

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[Gusto Brunt]

People on Working Tax Credit have to wait more than 3 months until the autumn before they get any of this money.

But no date has been mentioned. Could be late October/November.

[Nicky91]

https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/27/dutch-gas-prices-second-highest-europe

The Netherlands has the second highest gas price in Europe, with Dutch consumers paying about double the EU average. Only Sweden has a higher gas price, Energievergelijk.nl reports after analyzing figures from the Household Energy Price Index on 33 European countries.

Netherlands residents pay 0.2319 euro per kilowatt hour (kWh) of gas, or 2.25 euro per cubic meter of gas, including taxes and grid costs. Sweden pays 0.2379 euros per kWh or 2.31 euros per cubic meter of gas. Gas is significantly cheaper in Germany (0.14 euros per kWh) and Belgium (0.12 euros per kWh).

“We owe our high gas price to a large extent to the high taxes. Over 37 percent of our gas bill consists of government levies, namely energy tax and VAT. Nowhere else in Europe is this share so high,” said Koen Kuijper of Energievergelijk.nl. The rest of the Dutch gas price consists of 57 percent of fixed and variable supply costs paid to the energy supplier and just over 6 percent to grid management costs.

Because gas also plays a significant role in Dutch electricity production, the Netherlands electricity price is also above average. Netherlands residents pay 30.5 euro cents per kWh of electricity, 4 cents more than the European average. The Netherlands has the 10th highest electricity price in Europe.

[arista]

1552540992850563072


[Energy giants Shell and Centrica enjoy soaring profits as prices rise

British Gas owner Centrica enjoyed half-year
profits five times higher than those in 2021's first six months,
while Shell attributed its enormous numbers to higher prices,
refining profits, and gas trading.

Shell has reported record profits of $11.5bn (£9.4bn)
for the second quarter, more than double
last year's figure of $5.5bn (£4.5bn).

The oil giant had already smashed its own
quarterly record at the start of the year when
it clocked up profits of $9.1bn (£7.2bn),
but the sums continued to rise into Q2.

Shell attributed the enormous numbers to
higher prices, refining profits and gas trading,
though this was partly offset by
lower liquefied natural gas trading.]



The Government must tell them
to reduce their prices

https://news.sky.com/story/energy-giants-shell-and-centrica-enjoy-soaring-profits-as-prices-rise-12660367

[bots]

There are predictions now that energy costs could be £500 a month over the winter. A completely different strategy is required now from the government

[The Slim Reaper]

I know the British right always harkens to times past, but sending folks back to the Victorian times seems a little extreme, even for tories.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Another £400 energy bills discount
to support households this winter


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/400-energy-bills-discount-to-support-households-this-winter

[The Slim Reaper]

Bills are going up another £500/month in January, so that £400 isn't going to last very long.

Instead of addressing the main cause - energy profiteering, they are doing next to nothing. Jeremy would have sorted this out by nationalising them.

[arista]

Bills are going up another £500/month in January, so that £400 isn't going to last very long.

Instead of addressing the main cause - energy profiteering, they are doing next to nothing. Jeremy would have sorted this out by nationalising them.


I agree Slim.


But I had to update the thread

I posted a Solution on the Keir Starmer thread

[joeysteele]

Another £400 energy bills discount
to support households this winter


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/400-energy-bills-discount-to-support-households-this-winter

It's not another one it's the one announced ages ago now.
The way they are planning to pay it seems a bit off too.

I don't need it myself but for those who get bills in December January this isn't going to ease the burden significantly at that moment in time.

[arista]

It's not another one it's the one announced ages ago now.
The way they are planning to pay it seems a bit off too.

I don't need it myself but for those who get bills in December January this isn't going to ease the burden significantly at that moment in time.


Sorry Joey
they put yesterdays date on it
and tricked me,

[The Slim Reaper]

I agree Slim.


But I had to update the thread

I posted a Solution on the Keir Starmer thread

Nice of you to agree that jeremy would have sorted this mess out.

[arista]

Nice of you to agree that jeremy would have sorted this mess out.


Look Corbyn
is not the only one
asking Labour to change its mind

[The Slim Reaper]

Look Corbyn
is not the only one
asking Labour to change its mind

Well no, but Corbyn is the only one to have a policy to solve this before it even became an issue.

[arista]

For Slim

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FY7jZlRWIAMaWEz?format=jpg&name=900x900

By Cold War Steve

[bots]

BP has reported massive profits for the three months to June after oil and gas prices soared.

The energy giant saw underlying profits hit $8.45bn (£6.9bn) - more than triple the amount it made at the same time last year.

The figure is the second highest in the firm's history and takes its half-year profits to $14.6bn.

[Cherie]

BP has reported massive profits for the three months to June after oil and gas prices soared.

The energy giant saw underlying profits hit $8.45bn (£6.9bn) - more than triple the amount it made at the same time last year.

The figure is the second highest in the firm's history and takes its half-year profits to $14.6bn.

what a joke

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[James]

Spain introducing a law to ban air conditioning being set below 27°C and heating above 19°C in the winter, in public and commercial buildings. :shocked:


Europe's energy crisis: Controversy as Spain bans air conditioning from dropping below 27°C
By Laura Llach • Updated: 03/08/2022 - 14:38

A debate has been sparked after Spain's government moved to prevent offices, shops and other venues from setting air conditioning below 27°C in the summer.

It is part of plans to cut the country's energy consumption and limit dependency on Russian gas.

The decree, published on Tuesday morning, will also stop heating from being raised above 19°C during the winter.



The rules will be mandatory in all public and commercial buildings, including bars, cinemas, theatres, airports and train stations.

It is extended as a recommendation to Spanish households.


“Right now, perhaps suggested by the heat wave we are experiencing, I would say that with 27 degrees we will be very hot," Andrea Castillo, a worker at Castellón university, told Euronews. "Perhaps we could work at 25 degrees, but not at 27.”

Laura Berge, a civil servant in Valencia, questioned the practicality of the measure.

“Generally speaking, you can work at 27 degrees, but to reach that temperature in hot areas, you need to put the air conditioner at 22 or 23 degrees for a couple of hours, so I am worried that it will not be allowed to exceed 27 degrees. at any time,” she told Euronews.

"In that case, the air would have to be turned on well in advance and it would be counterproductive in terms of energy savings."

Winter is coming: All you need to know about the EU's 15% gas reduction plan
France orders air-conditioned shops to close their doors - with fines if they leave them open
Sales of electric heaters soar in Germany amid winter gas crisis fears
Berge's colleague, María Isabel Ruiz, agrees.

"I am in favour of saving energy and that this requires sacrifices, but these proposed temperatures are not adequate," she said.

"It would be necessary to indicate a range of 2 or 3 degrees to adapt it to the outside temperatures since in each region of Spain it is different."

The government passed the bill as part of a bid to reduce the country's gas consumption by 7% in line with the recent European Union energy agreements to limit dependency on Russian gas.

"We see that it saves energy and is good for climate change, but our concern is that it affects families, especially the most vulnerable," said Ana Isabel Gracia, secretary of social policies and housing at the Spanish trade union UGT (Unión General de Trabajadores).

“Instead of taking global measures, it should be specified by establishments so that they can have a different temperature. It is not the same to work, for example, in a place where there is a lot of machinery and the temperature is very high, and in another type of environment where there is none of that.

“There are studies that say that the optimal temperature is 24 degrees. Therefore, perhaps, instead of raising it to 27 degrees, we could stay at 25.”

Teresa Ribera, Spain's ecological transition minister, said the measures -- which include switching off store window lights after 10 pm but not street lighting -- would initially be maintained until November 2023.

She encouraged Spaniards to join the cuts, saying it would not only reduce consumption levels but also bring down households' energy bills.


https://www.euronews.com/2022/08/02/controversy-as-spain-bans-air-conditioning-from-dropping-below-27c

[arista]

Yes that makes sense in Spain
saving their power, is the correct way forward.

Germany already asking their people
to cut power usage in the evening.

France has the most Nuclear Power
lucky them.

[arista]

Street lights in the UK should be turned off at 2AM.

Suggested on This morning HD itv
newspaper review.

Criminals would love that
But if you go out Late night
take a Torch
Small LED power beam

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Don't Pay UK

https://dontpay.uk/

[Denver]

BP has reported massive profits for the three months to June after oil and gas prices soared.

The energy giant saw underlying profits hit $8.45bn (£6.9bn) - more than triple the amount it made at the same time last year.

The figure is the second highest in the firm's history and takes its half-year profits to $14.6bn.
EON now annoubce a £3.47b profit but Ofgem will make you think they are struggling bad

[arista]

Don't Pay UK

https://dontpay.uk/


[We are a movement against the rise in energy bills

We demand a reduction in energy bills to an affordable level.
We will cancel our direct debits from Oct 1, if we are ignored.
We will take this action if pledges reach 1 million by then.]


What happens if they do not
reach one million?

[Cherie]

[We are a movement against the rise in energy bills

We demand a reduction in energy bills to an affordable level.
We will cancel our direct debits from Oct 1, if we are ignored.
We will take this action if pledges reach 1 million by then.]


What happens if they do not
reach one million?

it probably won't go ahead as the impact would not be enough

[bots]

not paying will likely put you in further financial debt through fines or court costs

[Vanessa]

Thank god I don't get gas and electricity bill. I have NatWest. But I will still have to be careful.

[Cherie]

Thank god I don't get gas and electricity bill. I have NatWest. But I will still have to be careful.

Vanessa if you are on a payment meter you pay more per kilowatt then if paying by DD or quarterly bill :skull:

[Cherie]

not paying will likely put you in further financial debt through fines or court costs

True but I think some people feel they can't just sit around and do nothing while the energy companies rake in record profits and maybe the threat of 1 million people suddenly cancelling DDs will be a wake up call

[Vanessa]

Vanessa if you are on a payment meter you pay more per kilowatt then if paying by DD or quarterly bill :skull:
I'll try not to use the gas too much.

[bots]

True but I think some people feel they can't just sit around and do nothing while the energy companies rake in record profits and maybe the threat of 1 million people suddenly cancelling DDs will be a wake up call

well truss is going to be PM and she isn't going to do anything

[Cherie]

well truss is going to be PM and she isn't going to do anything

No she isn’t, think there will be riots

[Beso]

The cost of energy that gave you 14 days usage, now gives you 3 days.

[bots]

Supermarkets are not cutting fuel prices by as much as they should do to match the "significant" drop in the cost of wholesale fuel, the RAC has said.

The motoring group said the gap between pump prices and wholesale prices was the widest in almost a decade.

The price of petrol on Tuesday was about £1.76 per litre, but RAC analysts suggested it should be about £1.62.

Fuel prices have hit record highs this year, but are slowly starting to fall.

The RAC said at the start of the week, the average petrol price at the big four supermarkets, Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury's and Morrisons, was £174.4 per litre. Diesel was £1.86

Meanwhile the average for the delivered wholesale petrol price last week was £1.24, while diesel was £1.38.

After factoring in VAT, fuel duty and a "generous" retailer margin of 10p per litre, the RAC said "forecourts should soon be selling unleaded for no more than £1.62".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62494404

[bots]

Energy bills could increase ahead of the expected rise in October, the UK's energy regulator has revealed.

Ofgem and industry body Energy UK said it was "possible" for suppliers to raise customers' direct debits before the new cap on energy prices kicks in.

Any rises would be to help spread the cost of higher energy use in the winter months, Ofgem said.

Households have been warned of sharp rises in energy prices, with average bills forecast to reach £4,200 in 2023.

Ofgem said direct debits are usually charged in a way so that customers build up "credit" during the warmer summer months when usage is lower, to spread out the cost of using more energy in the colder months.

"It's therefore possible for direct debits to increase ahead of a price cap rise or even when a customer's use has remained constant," an Ofgem spokesperson said.

However, Ofgem said customers can ask for their excess credit to be "returned at any time and can contact their suppliers to change how their direct debit is spread".

"For example, they pay for exactly what they used in that month and do not build up a credit ahead of winter," Ofgem said.

Ofgem confirmed direct debits could be increased before October, after Martin Lewis of Money Saving Expert, told the Today programme that direct debits were going to "start rising pretty much immediately on the 26 August before the new prime minister's in place".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62494406

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Denver]

Bills are expected to rise to £571 in January as Ofgem wants to make energy bosses even richer

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

Why does this predicted annual amount get higher each week ( seemingly ) ?


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[arista]

Also expected to Rise
is Oil.

[bots]

Why does this predicted annual amount get higher each week ( seemingly ) ?


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because they want to apply pressure on the government. The price of oil has been dropping for weeks now

[arista]

BBCText:
Treasury officials are working on plans
that could reduce future rises in energy bills
by £400,
the Sunday Times reports.
The paper says the proposals involve
a government-backed lending scheme
for suppliers to reduce the amount
they need to charge households,
though adds the scheme would only
be in place in time for the January rise
in the price cap, not the one scheduled for October.]

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[arista]

BBC Text:
[Starmer is to call for a ban on the rise in the
energy price cap set to be introduced this autumn.
The paper says the rise would be
"crippling" if it goes ahead and that
a ban would save the average household
£2,000 a year on their gas and energy bills.]


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[arista]

BBC TEXT:
[Polling suggesting three in four Tory voters
back Sir Keir's energy plan.
It also reports that charities have warned
children will go hungry unless existing support
packages are doubled,
though notes that Ms Truss,
currently the bookmakers' favourite to be the
next prime minister,
has said a windfall tax of the sort proposed
by Labour would raise the risk of recession.]


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[Nicky91]

russia delivers far better sanctions against us nazi-west, as usual

[arista]

BBC Text:
[A dying mother has is forgoing days out with
her two children because she can't afford
them due to the cost of energy bills,
the Mirror reports. Tammy Prescott tells the paper
the bills are "robbing them of happy times".]

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[arista]

BBC text :
[The paper tells the story of a
"savvy worker" packing his bags to move to Spain
for winter to save cash on fuel bills.
"There's a drastic option available if you're
able to work remotely," he tells the paper,
after looking at how much his
energy bills would be.]

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[Zizu]

Our daughter who lives in a small , mid terrace house just received a letter instructing her to start paying £500 a month for her electric and gas !!


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[Cherie]

Our daughter who lives in a small , mid terrace house just received a letter instructing her to start paying £500 a month for her electric and gas !!


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They haven't even confirmed the price cap yet and prices will not rise until Oct, some companies are taking the pee, she needs to look at her bills and what she is using and adjust her DD according to what the price cap increases to

[arista]

They haven't even confirmed the price cap yet and prices will not rise until Oct, some companies are taking the pee, she needs to look at her bills and what she is using and adjust her DD according to what the price cap increases to


Yes Bastards

[bots]

They haven't even confirmed the price cap yet and prices will not rise until Oct, some companies are taking the pee, she needs to look at her bills and what she is using and adjust her DD according to what the price cap increases to

Some companies have started putting the monthly charge up now so that its less of an impact when the new cap hits.

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[arista]

[Liz Truss says she will use emergency budget
to 'ensure support' amid soaring bills

It comes as energy regulator Ofgem
is expected to announce on Friday
that the price cap will rise from
£1,971 to about £3,500 - significantly more than
previously forecast.]


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[Strictly Jake]

Scary times

[arista]

A Scottish Power CEO
Keith Anderson

Has a great plan
The Government must pay out £100 Billion
to underwrite all the ability of power companies
not to charge this terrible rate
for the next 3 years or so.

Then pay back the Government Loan
over 7 or more years.

[bots]

so the people must take on a loan for 7+ years? Don't see how that is a great idea, it guarantees recession for 10 years

[arista]

so the people must take on a loan for 7+ years? Don't see how that is a great idea, it guarantees recession for 10 years


The Government takes on the loan
not us.


It is a clever pan.


Better than Starmer's plan

[arista]

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Keith Anderson

[arista]

The Isle of Man
has a system like what the Scottish Power CEO says.

[MTVN]

£100 billion is a lot of money though, that's even more than the furlough scheme cost

[Zizu]

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/price-cap-increase-ps693-april

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[arista]

£100 billion is a lot of money though, that's even more than the furlough scheme cost


Yes
but it is possible.

[Strictly Jake]

Just hoping it's a reasonable temp this winter and not a freezing one

[bots]

The Government takes on the loan
not us.


It is a clever pan.


Better than Starmer's plan

where do you think the government gets its money from?

[arista]

where do you think the government gets its money from?


Banks in China

[The Slim Reaper]

A Scottish Power CEO
Keith Anderson

Has a great plan
The Government must pay out £100 Billion
to underwrite all the ability of power companies
not to charge this terrible rate
for the next 3 years or so.

Then pay back the Government Loan
over 7 or more years.

Nationalisation would cost around £2billion. Tories and Labour will both bail out these companies rather than trying to help the people. Absolutely crazy.

[arista]

Nationalisation would cost around £2billion. Tories and Labour will both bail out these companies rather than trying to help the people. Absolutely crazy.


Much more than that low number.


But in any case, both parties are too scared of Nationalisation

[arista]

Left Winger James on LBC
started off his 10AM show saying he wants to Punch
a government member.
He was angry No Government Minister was on Any Media.

But on his Conclusion
he played Johnson PM
at a hospital talking to the media today.

[The Slim Reaper]

Much more than that low number.


But in any case, both parties are too scared of Nationalisation

No, they are committed to business over people. It's really that simple.

[bots]

Banks in China

you are living in fantasy land. If the government payout 100 billion in support they will either cut services or raise taxes to pay for it. That will keep us firmly in recession

[arista]

you are living in fantasy land. If the government payout 100 billion in support they will either cut services or raise taxes to pay for it. That will keep us firmly in recession


This is Not me.


It is Keith Anderson,
CEO of Scottish Power
His New Plan

[The Slim Reaper]

You did say that bailing out energy companies was a great plan :laugh:

[bots]

nationalising the energy companies doesnt solve anything either, we still have to buy the energy at the market rate. The only way is to become energy self sufficient and that will take decades

[The Slim Reaper]

nationalising the energy companies doesnt solve anything either, we still have to buy the energy at the market rate. The only way is to become energy self sufficient and that will take decades

All of those profits go back into reducing bills and improving services, rather than shareholders. EDF is 85% owned by the French gov and their energy rises have been capped at 4%. To say nationalisation doesn't solve anything is blatantly false.

[arista]

Liz Truss
will have an Emergency Budget

She has the chance to save us.

[The Slim Reaper]

Liz Truss
will have an Emergency Budget

She has the chance to save us.

Save us with her willingness to get involved in nuclear destruction? Yeah, why not :laugh:

[bots]

Save us with her willingness to get involved in nuclear destruction? Yeah, why not :laugh:

the unemployed will be sent to fight in ukraine ..... win/win

[Gusto Brunt]

I was thinking of what £650 means now ever since shop and energy prices are going sky high.

That money has devalued masively. Probably worth less than £50 now.