Gas & Electricty Prices Crises (Poor got £650) 11:30AM Live

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[Alf]

"Who can we blame for the mess we've created?"

"Russia is the usual avenue we take" .

"Quite right, let's pin it on Russia"

[Toy Soldier]

FFS My energy bills already went up 40% last month when my fixed tariff ended :fist:. Though my bills are like 80% electricity. We seem to use like 2x the average for a house of the same size :think:.

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First Subject On Marr
Newspapers

Gas Firms going Under,

[Cherie]

FFS My energy bills already went up 40% last month when my fixed tariff ended :fist:. Though my bills are like 80% electricity. We seem to use like 2x the average for a house of the same size :think:.

Playstation...and streaming...are the culprits

[Toy Soldier]

Playstation...and streaming...are the culprits

I think it's actually the heated airer... it's on 24/7 from October - late April... the stream of clothes that need drying is endless though. ENDLESS. It doesn't make sense, I'm convinced we wash more clothes than can possibly be being worn.

[James]

What I pay is going up 40% soon also.

Compare the Market didn't help much this time.

I think it's actually the heated airer... it's on 24/7 from October - late April... the stream of clothes that need drying is endless though. ENDLESS. It doesn't make sense, I'm convinced we wash more clothes than can possibly be being worn.

I use a washing line whenever possible now. Apparently you save 60p each time.

[Alf]

Get cold up in Scotland, does it?

[Toy Soldier]

What I pay is going up 40% soon also.

Compare the Market didn't help much this time.



I use a washing line whenever possible now. Apparently you save 60p each time.


I had to do a switch even to get just a 40% increase - my old supplier was wanting to double it!

[Toy Soldier]

Get cold up in Scotland, does it?


My house is well insulated but that’s half the issue for clothes in winter. Can’t put them outside because it’s too cold/wet, but if I have the central heating on for more than a couple of hours the house gets too hot, so so can’t dry stuff on radiators either. So the heated aired is the only option and I think it probably costs a fortune. Like £50/month :umm2:.

[bots]

electricity has increased massively over the last few years. I used to blaze out the old 60w and 100w lightbulbs all over the house without a thought. Now i have led lighting everywhere and my electric is still 3 times the cost of my gas

[Toy Soldier]

electricity has increased massively over the last few years. I used to blaze out the old 60w and 100w lightbulbs all over the house without a thought. Now i have led lighting everywhere and my electric is still 3 times the cost of my gas

Lighting is cheap as chips these days (with the 5 to 10w bulbs), like £10/year if you had a main light on 24/7. In my house it's things like desktop PC, Playstation, TV, other electronics constantly on charge (although things like laptops and phones don't use all that much usually) and the dreaded heated airer. Plus the washing machine itself tbf which runs like 2x a day :umm2:. We've also had massive industrial-sized fans running all summer.

[arista]

Utility Point and People's Energy have
announced they have gone bust
Over half a million customers are told
to wait whilst a new supplier is found]

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-9989689/Utility-Point-Peoples-Energy-goes-bust-half-million-customers-told-sit-tight.html

Sept 14th

[Toy Soldier]

Utility Point and People's Energy have
announced they have gone bust
Over half a million customers are told
to wait whilst a new supplier is found]

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-9989689/Utility-Point-Peoples-Energy-goes-bust-half-million-customers-told-sit-tight.html

Sept 14th

I keep going with small suppliers, and they keep going bust, and they keep getting transferred to ****ing EDF. I was with EDF before I started switching to small suppliers! They tried to tell me my annual Gas & Electricity combined estimate was £4000+ a year, for a family of 4 in a semi-detached :facepalm: and set my direct debit as something like £370 a month! I don't want to be with bloody EDF! :fist: Why are they forcing me to always go back.

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[arista]

Our back-up supply from France
has halted as a Base caught fire
and will not be up a running until
March 2022.


SkyNewsHD
All Out Politics

[Alf]

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[arista]

Live Now Kwasi Kwarteng
Business Secretary
Parliament


All media

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Shadow Business
Ed Miliband

Now talking

[Cherie]

no light, no heat, no food :laugh:

arrggggggggh

[arista]

no light, no heat, no food :laugh:

arrggggggggh



We are hanging in there


Norway is helping our supply

[bots]

no light, no heat, no food :laugh:

arrggggggggh

and for a change, it's not brexit :laugh:

[arista]

The Government will
not save Failed Companies.


Only Companies that can take the price fluctuations

[Beso]

I think it's actually the heated airer... it's on 24/7 from October - late April... the stream of clothes that need drying is endless though. ENDLESS. It doesn't make sense, I'm convinced we wash more clothes than can possibly be being worn.

Its cause they've got to many clothes..

Sign of the times I suppose.

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[arista]

GMBHD itv debate

They said around 70 companies
supplying Gas/Electrics
And expect it to go down to 10 companies


Last night on Ch4HDnews
A green energy company owner
Dale Vince of EcoTricity

Said 50 companies using
the gas market like a Casino.

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[Toy Soldier]

Its cause they've got to many clothes..

Sign of the times I suppose.

You're quite right to be honest, we need a good clearout as half of the youngest's stuff doesn't even fit her very well at this point. The local recycling centre just got those big metal deposit bins for clothes to go to charity so I might convince my wife we should bag a load of stuff up and just jam it all in those.

[Toy Soldier]

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"They're asking for £100 up-front"
"That's been around for a couple of years and is just standard"

Bull**** sir, I switched supplier last month (got in there on a fixed tariff just in time it seems, quite lucky) and I didn't have to make any such payment. I also switched at the same time last year, and didn't have to make a payment.

[Alf]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/79B1/production/_120635113_dailystar.jpgSo it'll be a rush to get beef.

If you want turkey, then my advice would be to buy one or two of Icelands frozen turkey joints. Then you can freeze it until Christmas and just in case the scare mongering is true, you'll have turkey for Christmas.

I've had one of their turkey joints and they're fairly good, you can get one that's wrapped in bacon.

Personaly, I'd have a good Christmas day if it was just spaghetti hoops on toast for dinner, as long as I can get pi55ed.

[smudgie]

So it'll be a rush to get beef.

If you want turkey, then my advice would be to buy one or two of Icelands frozen turkey joints. Then you can freeze it until Christmas and just in case the scare mongering is true, you'll have turkey for Christmas.

I've had one of their turkey joints and they're fairly good, you can get one that's wrapped in bacon.

Personaly, I'd have a good Christmas day if it was just spaghetti hoops on toast for dinner, as long as I can get pi55ed.

Was just thinking about the turkey joint from Iceland yesterday Alf.
Easy to cook and slice.
Might see if I can get one ordered before the rush.

[Alf]

We don't use gas, do we, Eddie ?

- I don't even know what it is !
- All right, don't spoil it !

How do you keep it so warm in here, then ?

We make love !

Not together, you understand ? On our own.

[Alf]

Warning, lots of swear words. So if you're under 18, no watching this video.


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Was just thinking about the turkey joint from Iceland yesterday Alf.
Easy to cook and slice.
Might see if I can get one ordered before the rush.



Yes sounds OK.

[Toy Soldier]

Warning, lots of swear words. So if you're under 18, no watching this video.


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Is that Prince Harry?

[arista]

"They're asking for £100 up-front"
"That's been around for a couple of years and is just standard"

Bull**** sir, I switched supplier last month (got in there on a fixed tariff just in time it seems, quite lucky) and I didn't have to make any such payment. I also switched at the same time last year, and didn't have to make a payment.



Sure TS
but there is still a large amount
needing £100 up front
for a "new customer"

[Alf]

Is that Prince Harry?No, this is Prince Harry.

His Joe Biden is my personal favourite.



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as major carbon dioxide supplier
to restart production after government talks]

https://news.sky.com/story/boost-for-shoppers-as-major-carbon-dioxide-supplier-restarts-production-after-government-talks-12413566

Good news.

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as major carbon dioxide supplier
to restart production after government talks]

https://news.sky.com/story/boost-for-shoppers-as-major-carbon-dioxide-supplier-restarts-production-after-government-talks-12413566

Good news.

They better get a priority shipment to the Irn Bru factory or Wee Nic is going to go ****ing HAM.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10016753/Energy-firms-supplying-six-million-UK-homes-face-collapse.html

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the business model of the failed companies was to assume that the price of gas would always fall, and to tempt other companies customers away by offering prices that reflected a falling gas price trend. It's hardly a surprise that they go out of business when there is a price cap to protect consumers and they were selling their gas for cheaper than they bought it. It's a very blinkered business model and was bound to fail as soon as their was a gas price rise. Consumers will be able to switch to another supplier so its no big deal, no matter how much the media try and panic everyone

[Beso]

Tibb should sell itself to the national grid, the money we could make with all this gas, imagine.

This time next year rodney.

[Cherie]

Our energy supplier has gone belly up :fist:

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They are predicting that gas prices are going to go through the roof next year. Who is on a fixed price plan or who is going to join one now? I signed up for one last week with no exit fees, so if the price comes down I can always exit the plan and go for a cheaper option.

[joeysteele]

Really concerning.
Not for myself, I'm able to absorb more costs even though I find them sickening.
All it is now, is bills up and then up again and again.

For those, even in work, who find these extra costs crippling.
My heart goes out to them all.

Sadly, it's termed necessary and apparently our government can do nothing or WON'T do anything about it.
So we are really up the creek without a paddle.

[bots]

Really concerning.
Not for myself, I'm able to absorb more costs even though I find them sickening.
All it is now, is bills up and then up again and again.

For those, even in work, who find these extra costs crippling.
My heart goes out to them all.

Sadly, it's termed necessary and apparently our government can do nothing or WON'T do anything about it.
So we are really up the creek without a paddle.

Russia basically control the price. We get next to no gas from them, but they drive the market and so heavily influence the price. They want europe to take russian gas from their new pipeline and are controlling the price to try and force countries to take their gas and get it cheaper.

Also, our drive for the environment actually means that we will be using more gas until we get greener options on line, so we are ****ed from every angle

[Cherie]

They are predicting that gas prices are going to go through the roof next year. Who is on a fixed price plan or who is going to join one now? I signed up for one last week with no exit fees, so if the price comes down I can always exit the plan and go for a cheaper option.

our energy supplier went bust so basically waiting to see what Octopus are going to charge us now, I don't think it is worth looking around at this point though

[Toy Soldier]

They are predicting that gas prices are going to go through the roof next year. Who is on a fixed price plan or who is going to join one now? I signed up for one last week with no exit fees, so if the price comes down I can always exit the plan and go for a cheaper option.

I was lucky enough to have my previous plan expire literally 2 weeks before all of this began and got on a 12 month fixed at that point... however, it's with a small company so they might just end up busting :think:. That said I've been with a bust company before and the company that took over honoured any fixed plans that were in place.

Thankfull we use **** all in terms of gas, like £40 a month and that's with a gas cooker (both hob and oven, and we cook frequently). If they really do go through the roof, will probably swap out for an all electric cooker, or at least an electric oven/gas hob combo, which would probably at least half our usage if not more.

Electricity also went up significantly between my last fixed term and this one though. Exaceerbated, I've realised, but us using a tonne more electricity during lockdowns 1 & 2 than normal so their estimates of our usage are way off. We had 3 desktop PC's running all day, plus my youngest was in a phase where playing in the shower was a guaranteed way to keep her amused and calm, so there were multiple days per week that she was in there for literally 2 - 3 hours (electric shower) :joker:

[Toy Soldier]

Things like supplementing with solar panels are definitely becoming more attractive options as electricity prices increase...

[arista]

Martin Lewis took a Call (this morning ITV1HD)
A lady got a Discount from Bulb
but she had to add £100 in credit

He thinks Bulb are trying to get customers
to keep the company afloat
by getting extra Cash in?


Martin has a Special on energy tonight Live at 8:30PM ITV1HD

[Vanessa]

I have a meter. It's so much cheaper.

[arista]

I have a meter. It's so much cheaper.


One you have to put cash in?

[bots]

the next price rise is early in the new year when the poop is going to hit the fan and the cap is going to be raised by a lot. It will probably all settle down come the spring, but a lot of energy companies will be trying to recover astronomical losses which is never good for the consumer

[Vanessa]

One you have to put cash in?
No, I use a card.

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[Britain is facing a bleak winter of soaring energy costs,
with gas prices rising by a staggering 37 % in one day
The price of gas reached 400p per therm - the first time
it has reached that level - and up 600% in 2021
It fell again to 270p after Putin said Russia was
ready to increase gas supplies before raising
delayed new pipe
Families face paying £1,600 more for energy
in April and an extra £1,800
for other essentials by Christmas]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10067779/At-mercy-Putin-Russia-flexes-muscles-gas-supplies.html

[arista]

No, I use a card.

OK

[bots]

if gas prices go up by 600% to the consumer, it's going to be crazy town

[arista]

if gas prices go up by 600% to the consumer, it's going to be crazy town


Yes its got to be stopped
by the Government

[Toy Soldier]

I have a meter. It's so much cheaper.

1) it isn't cheaper, per-unit prices are literally always higher.

2) the prices (how much energy you get per £1 on your card) are still dictated by the market.


The only benefit of a pay-as-you-go meter is that you have no unexpected bills, and can control your spend.

[Vanessa]

1) it isn't cheaper, per-unit prices are literally always higher.

2) the prices (how much energy you get per £1 on your card) are still dictated by the market.


The only benefit of a pay-as-you-go meter is that you have no unexpected bills, and can control your spend.
Yes, I prefer it. No bills.

[Cherie]

I was lucky enough to have my previous plan expire literally 2 weeks before all of this began and got on a 12 month fixed at that point... however, it's with a small company so they might just end up busting :think:. That said I've been with a bust company before and the company that took over honoured any fixed plans that were in place.

Thankfull we use **** all in terms of gas, like £40 a month and that's with a gas cooker (both hob and oven, and we cook frequently). If they really do go through the roof, will probably swap out for an all electric cooker, or at least an electric oven/gas hob combo, which would probably at least half our usage if not more.

Electricity also went up significantly between my last fixed term and this one though. Exaceerbated, I've realised, but us using a tonne more electricity during lockdowns 1 & 2 than normal so their estimates of our usage are way off. We had 3 desktop PC's running all day, plus my youngest was in a phase where playing in the shower was a guaranteed way to keep her amused and calm, so there were multiple days per week that she was in there for literally 2 - 3 hours (electric shower) :joker:

that is not happening now, plus electric prices will be driven up as well

[Gusto Brunt]

I've not used ANY gas for about four years. My electric bill per quarter is around £120. I expect that will rise quite a bite too. :(

[Gusto Brunt]

Or even a bit. :p But the price rises are biting. :p So maybe I was right the first time. ;)

[Nicky91]

for cooking we don't use gas for a very long time now, switched to electrical with that much safer

so we use up lesser gas than before, now just for the heater i think



but yeah it is kinda a gas crisis here in my nation, mostly for farmers who grow their crop in greenhouses and require gas for power in those (and we got very large greenhouses here)

so prices on tomatoes, lettuce, other veg can go up this winter they fear



and drilling for more gas, well lol not a option either because of moaning people in Groningen due to dangers of earthquakes there from the drilling

[Cherie]

for cooking we don't use gas for a very long time now, switched to electrical with that much safer

so we use up lesser gas than before, now just for the heater i think



but yeah it is kinda a gas crisis here in my nation, mostly for farmers who grow their crop in greenhouses and require gas for power in those (and we got very large greenhouses here)

so prices on tomatoes, lettuce, other veg can go up this winter they fear



and drilling for more gas, well lol not a option either because of moaning people in Groningen due to dangers of earthquakes there from the drilling

:laugh:

[Nicky91]

for cooking we don't use gas for a very long time now, switched to electrical with that much safer

so we use up lesser gas than before, now just for the heater i think



but yeah it is kinda a gas crisis here in my nation, mostly for farmers who grow their crop in greenhouses and require gas for power in those (and we got very large greenhouses here)

so prices on tomatoes, lettuce, other veg can go up this winter they fear



and drilling for more gas, well lol not a option either because of moaning people in Groningen due to dangers of earthquakes there from the drilling

:laugh:

it is fair they have rights to moan of course, their homes being damaged a lot

so drilling for gas just isn't possible there

[Kazanne]

Bring back coal fires :laugh:

[bots]

The Kaz solution to save the planet :laugh:

[arista]

Bring back coal fires :laugh:


But look at India
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/10/6/as-coal-stocks-shrink-india-faces-escalating-power-crisis


The average Poor Folk
home only has Coal to use to cook
and stocks running low.

Millions in India have no Electric supply.

[joeysteele]

Bring back coal fires :laugh:

Yes indeed Kazanne.

[bots]

Energy bills will rise to reflect soaring wholesale energy prices, the energy regulator has warned.

A price cap limits the impact of rising energy costs for customers, but Ofgem said this would increase.

Chief executive Jonathan Brearley said the cap was "designed to reflect fair costs and therefore will need to adjust over time".

Nine UK energy suppliers collapsed last month and Mr Brearley said more could follow.

"Given the continued volatility in the market, it is likely more suppliers will exit the market," he told a conference organised by Energy UK.

Natural gas prices are at record highs as economies around the world begin to recover from the Covid crisis.

As a result, firms are running into trouble because they have agreed to sell gas at less than the price it now costs them to buy it.

More than 1.7 million customers saw their energy provider go bust in September.

They have already seen annual bill increases of hundreds of pounds when they moved to a new provider and away from whichever low-rate fixed deal their supplier had offered.

Ofgem's advice to those affected is that they should wait for the regulator to appoint a new supplier and refrain from switching in the meantime.

It says customers can rely on their energy supply as normal.

The warning from Ofgem's Mr Brearley came after analysts Cornwall Insight predicted that household energy bills could rise by hundreds of pounds next year.

They said the energy price cap, which works by limiting how much firms can charge domestic customers for a unit of gas, could soar by £400 in the spring to about £1,660.

That is about 30% higher than the record £1,277 level for the cap set for winter 2021-22, which began at the start of October.

"With wholesale gas and electricity prices continuing to reach new records, successive supplier exits during September 2021 and a new level for the default tariff cap, the Great British energy market remains on edge for fresh volatility and further consolidation," said Craig Lowrey, senior consultant at Cornwall Insight.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58831110

[Cherie]

Pull out the woolley jumpers I think, its back to the 70s, I remember my Mom and Dad used to just heat one room and when we went to bed it was baltic :laugh: I think that is why I cant sleep in a heated bedroom now, it has to be cold :think:

[Vanessa]

I have an electric oven as well to use.

[bots]

I have an electric oven as well to use.

to warm your slippers? :hee:

[Vanessa]

to warm your slippers? :hee:

:joker: I use it when I'm in a rush. It's so much faster than the gas oven.

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[Here comes your £2,000 energy bill: Soaring prices
could push average annual charge
through the barrier for the first time as
Putin holds UK over a barrel and Britain braces for blackouts
Rising energy prices may push average annual
bills past £2,000 for first time - costing
many an extra £900
Industry analysts suggested current gap
of £1,277 may rise by as much as £800
as energy firms go bust
Ofgem warned its level would have to
'adjust' in April next year after rising prices
amid cost of living crisis
Vladimir Putin was accused of using gas
supply issues as leverage with Europe
to push through new pipeline]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10070485/Soaring-prices-push-average-annual-charge-2-000-barrier-time.html



Novo Backed Putin
he needs to say Sorry.

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[Vanessa]

My gas provider is Eon. So far I'm happy with them.
Having a meter is so convenient.

[arista]

My gas provider is Eon. So far I'm happy with them.
Having a meter is so convenient.



Yes at this time
but within weeks, prices can change again.

[arista]

Oil Barrel now at $82.74
Natural Gas gone up another 26% 5.692

USA has more Women working at home.
Using more power, than ever.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40713995.html


India's lack of Coal supply more Power Cuts
Brazil lack of rain water causing Power Cuts.

In China, the Government has ordered 72 Big Coal Mines
to boost output

(China Leader says China will Carbon Neutral by 2060)
far to long.


Ref: WION HD, CNN HD

[Cherie]

Lets put a cheery spin on this, we will all be using a lot less gas so good for the environment :hee:

[bots]

Lets put a cheery spin on this, we will all be using a lot less gas so good for the environment :hee:

we cant really, it depends on the winter weather. If it's -16C, you need your heating :laugh:

[Cherie]

we cant really, it depends on the winter weather. If it's -16C, you need your heating :laugh:

tbf Bots how many people walk around in shorts and tshirts with the heating on full pelt when its not particularly cold, I know it happens in my house, not any more!

[arista]

[Heavy industry leaders call for
'urgent action' as electricity supply set to be
tighter than last year]

https://news.sky.com/story/national-grid-confident-lights-will-stay-on-this-winter-despite-energy-crunch-12427909

[Cherie]

[Heavy industry leaders call for
'urgent action' as electricity supply set to be
tighter than last year]

https://news.sky.com/story/national-grid-confident-lights-will-stay-on-this-winter-despite-energy-crunch-12427909

TS's airer in jeprody :omgno:

[Toy Soldier]

TS's airer in jeprody :omgno:

It's my airer causing the national shortage.

[bots]

It's being reported that the government are intending to add a green tax on to our gas bills .... couldn't make it up !!

[arista]

It's being reported that the government are intending to add a green tax on to our gas bills .... couldn't make it up !!


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[Gusto Brunt]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBKdtBzWYBEDf9g?format=jpg&name=small

:joker::fist:

[arista]

Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng MP
on AM TV and Radio
Will not Help Industry
they are on their own.

[bots]

The fault is entirely with the government for not securing energy at a cost that business and the public can afford. It was in their power to do that and they simply didn't

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

i think Kwarteng is a complete fool

[arista]

Civil Servant gang
in the Treasury, do not like him.

[arista]

1447469200100970503


Crazy the Prime Minister is not there
he is on Holiday abroad.



Police Remove Them.


Whatever Final Oil
is under contract
it can not be halted - you Lemmings

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBZ6pnhXMAUigKj?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBa9L7KVcAMUH0j?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBc0HTTVkAEZUBF?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

[Johnson is to sign off on hundreds of millions in loans
for hard-hit firms after
Cabinet row despite Rishi Sunak's objections
Prime Minister sides with Business Secretary
Kwasi Kwarteng in his spat with Chancellor
Rishi Sunak over extra funds
Bail-out worth hundreds of millions
of pounds to affect industries including steel,
chemicals, ceramics and paper
It is reported that the support will most
likely come in the form of loans,
rather than handouts]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10081851/Businesses-bailout-Boris-Johnson-sign-hundreds-millions-hard-hit-firms.html

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBe6nLfWEAAMom1?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Just Reported On WION HD Gravitas Show (Ch523 on SkyHD)

Severe Flooding in China's
Northern Shanxi
has Shut Down China's Big Coal Hub.
Over 400 Coal Sites.

Massive Landslides
Many have died.

1.76 Million People affected

Public told not use lifts
Use the Stairs


Some Factories have switched to Diesel

China has 94,000 Dams
Rivers can no longer cope.

The Coal was used to power the Electric Supply.

A UK Link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58879481

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBj3kgHWUAUAGY8?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
visited Brand New Homes by Bovis
or Wimpey Taylor

All had Air leaks
all had Unsealed areas
brand new.

An Expert poured special smoke through a Brand New Home
it even leaked through the brand-new roof.
Shocking

One Ladies mother has been moved out
they are demanding a Refund.

[arista]

2 More
have gone bust today

Pure Planet, which is backed by oil giant BP, and Colorado Energy join a number of small energy firms that have gone bust recently.

[arista]

Another company today

Bluegreen is the latest energy firm to go bust

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59125866

[Cherie]

How are Bulb hanging on

my friend is with the, there are 5 of them in the house and they pay 70.00 a month for gas and electric and my friend is someone who literally has the washing machine going round the clock, cooks at home most nights ...I mean!

[bots]

i recently had a gas smart meter fitted so now i can sit and watch my gas usage rocket as the temperature outside drops. Ignorance was bliss :laugh:

[arista]

How are Bulb hanging on

my friend is with the, there are 5 of them in the house and they pay 70.00 a month for gas and electric and my friend is someone who literally has the washing machine going round the clock, cooks at home most nights ...I mean!



They could be next to close.

[arista]

Four more energy firms collapse taking total
number failing during crisis to 18

[Omni Energy,
MA Energy Limited,
Zebra Power and
Ampoweruk
served a total of 21,400 domestic
and 2,300 non-domestic customers.]

https://news.sky.com/story/four-more-energy-firms-collapse-taking-total-number-of-firms-failing-during-crisis-to-18-12458114



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59137440

[Toy Soldier]

The one I’m with is definitely going to bust :joker: it’s like Poundland Energy or something.

Starting to wonder if it’s all a scheme to consolidate the energy market under the big names.

[arista]

Bulb Energy now going into Admin


the first energy company
to be placed into "special administration",
where it is run by the government through
the regulator Ofgem.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59373198

https://news.sky.com/story/bulb-on-brink-of-collapse-amid-government-talks-with-creditor-12475565

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/22/18/50830811-10229901-image-a-1_1637604874979.jpg



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10229901/Government-steps-millions-taxpayer-cash-prop-Bulb-Energy.html

[arista]

The 22 UK energy firms which have gone bust so far

Neon Energy Limited
Social Energy Supply Ltd
CNG Energy
Omni Energy Limited
MA Energy Limited
Zebra Power Limited
Ampoweruk Ltd
Bluegreen Energy Services Limited
GOTO Energy Limited
Daligas Limited
Pure Planet
Colorado Energy
Igloo Energy
Symbio Energy
Enstroga
Avro Energy
Green Supplier Limited
Utility Point
People's Energy
PFP Energy
MoneyPlus Energy
HUB Energy

[bots]

my gas provider wrote to us saying everything was fine, they had bought their gas months in advance .... and that just made me concerned where previously i couldnt care less .... Its like when the board say they have complete confidence in the manager and sack him a week later

[arista]

Zog Energy is now ceasing to trade

Ofgem have stated


Ref: All Out Politics SkyNewsHD

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Vanessa]

I'm with Eon. So far so good.

[bots]

February is when they announce the rise and March is when they implement it. Then there will be another rise in 6 months

[arista]

Which, is why Rishi must give out Money help.

[Toy Soldier]

I'm on a fixed tariff until October (assuming they don't bust) but after that I'll probably be hit with a double hike just in time for next winter lol.

[bots]

im good for 2 years, but i dont think this will even be resolved in that time

[Beso]

Which, is why Rishi must give out Money help.

There is talk of a one of payment for the poorest of up to 500 quid.


Which is obviously been posted already.

[arista]

There is talk of a one of payment for the poorest of up to 500 quid.


Which is obviously been posted already.


Yes better than Labours Plan

[arista]

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[arista]

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[glib]

1/2 of the front page a Pontins Advert, what a *****ing time waster the mirror is

[arista]

[The prime minister will announce state-backed loans
to help people cope with rising energy prices]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

we will find out what the new cap is at 11am this morning

[UserSince2005]

What crisis? Seems pretty cheap for me at the moment. Oh wait that’s cause I live in American ahahahahah

[Cherie]

What crisis? Seems pretty cheap for me at the moment. Oh wait that’s cause I live in American ahahahahah

Hopefully your illegal ass will be deported soon :hehe:

[arista]

£1,971 New Energy Price Cap for the UK.


A Rise of £693

From April.



SkyNewsHD Live

[bots]

54% rise

[Cherie]

heatings off!

[UserSince2005]

Hopefully your illegal ass will be deported soon :hehe:

if by soon you mean 10 years time ahahahaha

[arista]

£200 off the Electric bills in October



[And so all domestic electricity customers will
receive a £200 discount on their electricity bills
from October and this discount will automatically
be repaid from people's bills in equal £40
instalments over the next five years.]

[Toy Soldier]

£200 off the Electric bills in October



[And so all domestic electricity customers will
receive a £200 discount on their electricity bills
from October and this discount will automatically
be repaid from people's bills in equal £40
instalments over the next five years.]

That's called a loan, not a "discount" :idc:.

The only real solution for anyone who is going to struggle to pay more is to cut usage. Eating vs Heating. Shameful in a supposedly 1st world country.

[Vanessa]

I have a meter, so at least I can manage it better than the bills.

[AnnieK]

This crisis could end up killing more than Covid for the lower income families. As TS said its shameful for a country like this for people to be seriously thinking about having to choose between heat and eat.

[arista]

That's called a loan, not a "discount" :idc:.

The only real solution for anyone who is going to struggle to pay more is to cut usage. Eating vs Heating. Shameful in a supposedly 1st world country.



Yes its a Loan
on slow pay back over 5 Years
at £40 a year increase


BBC called it a Discount
not me.

[bots]

it stems from a complete failure to be self sufficient in our energy needs. Gross mismanagement across government and our energy producers/suppliers

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thank goodness we have not had a winter

[arista]

Also many will get a £150 off their Council Tax
that is not a payback

[Cherie]

Thank goodness we have not had a winter

hopefully we can say the same next winter?

[arista]

Thank goodness we have not had a winter


Yes a Shorter Winters are now normal.

[Toy Soldier]

Also many will get a £150 off their Council Tax
that is not a payback

£150 off council tax for the lowest income families means absolutely nothing, the lowest income families already get council tax discounts or pay none at all. This is how they make it seem like they're doing something whilst actually doing nothing at all.

[UserSince2005]

struggling people should try moving to america.

[Cherie]

struggling people should try moving to america.

How is that 2ft of snow going for you

[UserSince2005]

How is that 2ft of snow going for you

its a winter wonderland and sooooo cosy in my heated penthouse :flutter:

[Cherie]

Also many will get a £150 off their Council Tax
that is not a payback

Only in bands A to D ....

[Cherie]

its a winter wonderland and sooooo cosy in my heated penthouse :flutter:

Sure :joker:

[arista]

Only in bands A to D ....


Yes only those 2 housing bands

[arista]

£150 off council tax for the lowest income families means absolutely nothing, the lowest income families already get council tax discounts or pay none at all. This is how they make it seem like they're doing something whilst actually doing nothing at all.


Yes, not for those that are not paying it
of course

[UserSince2005]

Do you know how many packs of cigs they can get for £150? enough to last a week! although im sure they will still complain that they have to ration them because its not enough money.

[arista]

Do you know how many packs of cigs they can get for £150? enough to last a week! although im sure they will still complain that they have to ration them because its not enough money.


£150.00,
is a mega Free Amount
for those in A & D homes
off their Council Tax.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Sky Text:
[The US president has ordered a record
release of oil from the country's emergency reserves
to cool the price of crude.]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPNhd9yWYAQ7Qzm?format=jpg&name=small
Photo taken from twitter



Newsnight BBC2HD reports
Rishi Sunak & his family is having a Holiday
on Monday
in his other home in California, USA

Its his first Holiday

MP Jenrick said.

[GoldHeart]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPNhd9yWYAQ7Qzm?format=jpg&name=small
Photo taken from twitter



Newsnight BBC2HD reports
Rishi Sunak & his family is having a Holiday
on Monday
in his other home in California, USA

Its his first Holiday

MP Jenrick said.

It's alright for some :bored:

[arista]

[Germany accuses Putin of 'blackmail' and refuses
to back down after Russian President threatened
to turn off Europe's gas supplies in HOURS
if countries refuse to pay in roubles]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10672659/Putin-threatens-turn-Europes-gas-supplies-TOMORROW-countries-refuse-pay-roubles.html

[arista]

Rishi now on BBCnewsHD


Recorded in the daytime for NewsCast.



He says we are Facing High Inflation.
And it is not sensible to borrow more.

[Kizzy]

Guess who forgot to submit a meter reading :(

[bots]

Guess who forgot to submit a meter reading :(

you can usually submit it within a week and it should be no problem

[Kizzy]

Thanks just got in and did it, the cut off for octopus is midnight tomorrow.

[Toy Soldier]

If you're still on a fixed tariff there's no need to submit a reading until the tariff ends (the time to do it would be the day before the tariff ends). The change in capped price doesn't affect you until your tariff ends (so you go to variable rate; i.e. the capped rate) or you switch to a new fixed tariff (there are currently none worth taking).

[arista]

Thanks just got in and did it, the cut off for Octopus is midnight tomorrow.


Yes Octopus
the one energy company
that is Not making any Profit

The BBC have said

[michael21]

Shadow Business
Ed Miliband

Now talking

The problem is mp are good at talking but not so good at actions that help people

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/08/56086025-0-image-m-2_1648799038286.jpg

[Zizu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPNhd9yWYAQ7Qzm?format=jpg&name=small
Photo taken from twitter



Newsnight BBC2HD reports
Rishi Sunak & his family is having a Holiday
on Monday
in his other home in California, USA

Its his first Holiday

MP Jenrick said.


His first holiday this month :)


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[Zizu]

Guess who forgot to submit a meter reading :(


We did ours a few days ago so hopefully we will be ok ...


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/09/56086713-10675209-image-a-42_1648801068313.jpg

[arista]

Macron France is paying an extra 4%

They have made EDF to get Billion hit.

The UK its 50% increase

[arista]

Biden Yesterday

1509695288910385165

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/04/01/07/56071287-10675209-A_record_rise_in_energy_bills_kicks_off_a_year_of_ economic_pain_-a-1_1648793410071.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10675209/Awful-April-arrives-Millions-face-1-600-hit-household-bill-rise.html

[Cherie]

If they can let energy rise by this amount...they will do the same with food

Its a scandalous rise, on the plus side they will reach net zero quickly as no one will be turning on their heating or driving :skull:

[Vanessa]

I need to submit my readings. Will do it after work.

[Toy Soldier]

If they can let energy rise by this amount...they will do the same with food

Its a scandalous rise, on the plus side they will reach net zero quickly as no one will be turning on their heating or driving :skull:

This is just the April rise - it's rising by another chunk in October.

[bots]

unless the market calms significantly, and thats unlikely, the price jump in october could be double the rise today. Next winter could be dire. I think i may get a wood burner in

[Kizzy]

I have a multifuel stove... the price for logs is ridiculous and coal is now outlawed :/

[Cherie]

This is just the April rise - it's rising by another chunk in October.

Yes they haven't said by how much yet have they? but likely to be similar, dont worry though you will get a 200.00 loan to offset it :skull:

[Cherie]

unless the market calms significantly, and thats unlikely, the price jump in october could be double the rise today. Next winter could be dire. I think i may get a wood burner in

I would do that sooner rather than later as prices will probably rocket

[Toy Soldier]

unless the market calms significantly, and thats unlikely, the price jump in october could be double the rise today. Next winter could be dire. I think i may get a wood burner in

The October cap is already announced... it'll be that amount, no lower (and can't be higher). The real worry is when THAT cap expires, if the government doesn't announce a new cap or an extension of that cap. Because if it's uncapped... ... ... well all bets are off. I don't think that's a likely scenario as it would get to the point where energy is literally unaffordable for most households, which would make political intervention inevitable.

[Toy Soldier]

unless the market calms significantly, and thats unlikely, the price jump in october could be double the rise today. Next winter could be dire. I think i may get a wood burner in

I mentioned in another thread, currently very jealous of my sister for still having an open fire (and contacts who can sell wood on the cheap).

[bots]

i have woods at the back of my house that go on for about a 10 min walk, so not even cutting anything down, there is a massive supply right there

[Toy Soldier]

i have woods at the back of my house that go on for about a 10 min walk, so not even cutting anything down, there is a massive supply right there

Yeah my sister lives in the middle of nowhere, and also it's an island, so there's driftwood and stuff everywhere as well. But she also knows loggers, and the logging companies only haul off the nice big cut-to-length trunks, which leaves behind absolutely LOADS of "scrap" logs, and the loggers will collect them up and deliver for a small fee. Probably not supposed to technically but they're not going anywhere otherwise :shrug:.

In fact, if you have any logging nearby I reckon you could just rock up on a day when they're not working or to an area they've stripped and moved on from, and fill your boots with abandonned logs.

[Zizu]

Maybe those ‘preppers’ were right after all ...

They just weren’t sure what they were preparing for ..


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[arista]

Ch5HDnews 5pm Hour News.

Had a terrible report, some people are doing Barbecue
in their kitchen, as that is not using the Electricity or Gas.
The Expert said that is Very dangerous to do.

[arista]

On STV1HD

One place in Scotland
lets locals spend £2:50 on General Food Shopping
but get £16 worth.

[GoldHeart]

Let me know when this appalling government.... bothers to give us any good news . I won't hold my breath .

[Cherie]

Ch5HDnews 5pm Hour News.

Had a terrible report, some people are doing Barbecue
in their kitchen, as that is not using the Electricity or Gas.
The Expert said that is Very dangerous to do.

fgs how stupid can you get :facepalm:

[Zizu]

fgs how stupid can you get :facepalm:


Didn’t Mario Ballotelli set off some fireworks in his apartment once ?


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[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPVTS0pXoAA4QJc?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

All across the UK
Protestors are Marching against
these Very High Prices on Energy


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1510219344919289862/iDnyFzqu?format=jpg&name=small


https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/apr/02/protests-energy-prices-cap-uk-electricity-gas-household-bills?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Even in Cambridge.

[Kizzy]

There is going to be a real crisis in October. Finding the elderly and babies frozen in their beds will become the norm next winter. Crime will go through the roof but no doubt blamed on Ukrainian refugees.

Until now this country has never known real hardship, that's going to change.

[arista]

There is going to be a real crisis in October. Finding the elderly and babies frozen in their beds will become the norm next winter. Crime will go through the roof but no doubt blamed on Ukrainian refugees.

Until now this country has never known real hardship, that's going to change.



Very true Kizzy

[Denver]

I still don't know how the energy prices can rise so high yet they can justify giving board members billions in bonuses, nothing will change while their pals are in charge the government is all for the rich **** the poor

[hijaxers]

I still don't know how the energy prices can rise so high yet they can justify giving board members billions in bonuses, nothing will change while their pals are in charge the government is all for the rich **** the poor

The Tories always have been.

[Cherie]

People will be going back to heating just one room

I remember as a child the walk from the sitting room to the bedroom in winter used to be baltic and the sheets were like ice when you got into bed and there used to be frost patterns on the windows when we woke up :bawling:

[Toy Soldier]

People will be going back to heating just one room

I remember as a child the walk from the sitting room to the bedroom in winter used to be baltic and the sheets were like ice when you got into bed and there used to be frost patterns on the windows when we woke up :bawling:

We keep the bedrooms colder anyway (I can't sleep when it's too hot and kids seem to have inherited this trait) ... it's more the summer that's an issue - we run massive fans in the bedrooms constantly (for this same reason). The kids room gets RIDICULOUSLY hot on summer evenings. We were thinking about getting an aircon unit this summer. Probably not the best idea now :umm2:.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

I'm actually on board to see how much they can sh1t on everyone and still get elected. Go'on, Rishi lad.

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[UserSince2005]

the racial undertones of that report make me sick.

[Denver]

We need to protest in the streets, demand the energy companies give back their billions in bonus to help the energy crisis, demand the tories friends give back all the money the tories stole from the tax payers to give them, demand friends and families of tories are punished for tax invasion, demand an immediate election and demand the head of Boris and the tories

[Cherie]

We need to protest in the streets, demand the energy companies give back their billions in bonus to help the energy crisis, demand the tories friends give back all the money the tories stole from the tax payers to give them, demand friends and families of tories are punished for tax invasion, demand an immediate election and demand the head of Boris and the tories

There were protests last weekend in all the big cities, you need to use your May vote to hit them ...no point staying away go and vote for anyone other than Tory obvs

[Denver]

There were protests last weekend in all the big cities, you need to use your May vote to hit them ...no point staying away go and vote for anyone other than Tory obvs

I will be voting for Labour and I can't believe I'm saying that

[The Slim Reaper]

I will be voting for Labour and I can't believe I'm saying that

Who would you vote for normally?

[Denver]

Who would you vote for normally?

Last time I voted independent because I didn't trust any but I can't let the tories stay

[Beso]

We need to protest in the streets, demand the energy companies give back their billions in bonus to help the energy crisis, demand the tories friends give back all the money the tories stole from the tax payers to give them, demand friends and families of tories are punished for tax invasion, demand an immediate election and demand the head of Boris and the tories



But, but but....emmerdale's on..or I would.

[Toy Soldier]

demand an immediate election

They'd get re-elected. Probably with a worse PM than Boris.

[arista]

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Easy to say Yes
but living near it???