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Crazy things happen in households where guns are present ( USA) but there should never be any live weapons/ bullets in a film studio props department …it’s as crazy as having them lying around in a school classroom .. its just completely ridiculous
live guns are everywhere in america :laugh:
live guns are everywhere in america :laugh:
In some states for sure but they shouldn’t ever be in a film studio props department ( on a film featuring guns ) .
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Mystic Mock
05-06-2024, 09:29 PM
Do you know that for sure? Or are you just taking his word for it?
I'm putting trust in Alec Baldwin not being a deranged psychopath.
I'm putting trust in Alec Baldwin not being a deranged psychopath.
Agreed
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Vanessa
06-06-2024, 09:40 AM
I don't think he meant to kill anyone. But yes he should have checked.
Livia
06-06-2024, 10:36 AM
People may call it a prop gun like it wasn't a real firearm but it was. It was a Colt .45 that, according to testimony from the armourer's trial, had been used by crew to fire live ammunition at tin cans that morning. It's clear what happened, one of more live rounds was left in the chamber then it wasn't checked by the armourer nor by Baldwin. Also, Baldwin claims he never pulled the trigger but the pistol was checked by the FBI who concluded that the gun couldn't have fired without the trigger being pulled. It's a sh1t show, for sure.
People may call it a prop gun like it wasn't a real firearm but it was. It was a Colt .45 that, according to testimony from the armourer's trial, had been used by crew to fire live ammunition at tin cans that morning. It's clear what happened, one of more live rounds was left in the chamber then it wasn't checked by the armourer nor by Baldwin. Also, Baldwin claims he never pulled the trigger but the pistol was checked by the FBI who concluded that the gun couldn't have fired without the trigger being pulled. It's a sh1t show, for sure.
Well in that case WHOEVER handed that gun to Baldwin for the scene should be jailed for gross negligence.
End of .
How many people could actually tell if its a real gun with live ammo .
The whole idea is preposterous ..
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Livia
06-06-2024, 01:01 PM
Well in that case WHOEVER handed that gun to Baldwin for the scene should be jailed for gross negligence.
End of .
How many people could actually tell if its a real gun with live ammo .
The whole idea is preposterous ..
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The armourer was jailed for 18 months for manslaughter. She's been fired from other films for negligence. Why anyone would employ her is beyond me. Baldwin should face a similar custodial sentence, I reckon. You never point a firearm at anyone, ever, unless you mean to shoot them, and you always check the gun. A simple check would have verified that one or more rounds were live.
lets also not forget that Baldwin was the film producer. The person ultimately responsible for the safety of staff on the set
The armourer was jailed for 18 months for manslaughter. She's been fired from other films for negligence. Why anyone would employ her is beyond me. Baldwin should face a similar custodial sentence, I reckon. You never point a firearm at anyone, ever, unless you mean to shoot them, and you always check the gun. A simple check would have verified that one or more rounds were live.
He was presumably shooting at someone in the scene .. how could he NOT point it at them ?
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arista
06-06-2024, 03:31 PM
He (aged 66) has been Busy with his younger Wife aged 40 now
https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2024/06/baldwins-tlc-hilaria-baldwin-alec-906996948.jpg?w=620
https://www.the-sun.com/tv/11540710/alec-baldwin-wife-hilaria-reality-show-tlc/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilaria_Baldwin
I think with that many kids
it will be a hit.
This is what got this thread
alive again
Livia
06-06-2024, 05:04 PM
He was presumably shooting at someone in the scene .. how could he NOT point it at them ?
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It wasn't a take. Plus, again, he should have checked.
AnnieK
06-06-2024, 05:15 PM
Agree with Livia. Anyone handling a gun should check the chamber and if in doubt the weapon should not be discharged.
At the end of the day a woman has lost her life at the hands of Bladwin. Whether he meant it or not there is a family grieving a woman who lost her life at work and it shouldn't have happened
Agree with Livia. Anyone handling a gun should check the chamber and if in doubt the weapon should not be discharged.
At the end of the day a woman has lost her life at the hands of Bladwin. Whether he meant it or not there is a family grieving a woman who lost her life at work and it shouldn't have happened
I just think he would have had so much on his mind at the time of the scene - it just wouldn’t cross your mind that it was possibly a live gun .
Has this ever happened in the last 100 years ?
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AnnieK
06-06-2024, 05:54 PM
Brandon Lee was shot on set and died making The Crow.
If a member of my family were shot in the course of their work, I would want everyone who had responsibility for their safety at work to face consequences
Having too much on their mind would not be an excuse for me I'm afraid.
It is a tragedy but accountability needs to be taken
Livia
06-06-2024, 06:02 PM
Like AnnieK says, Brandon Lee died on set. He died because the gun was emptied of cartridges but no one checked the barrel. A round his misfired and lodged in the barrel. Consequently, when it was loaded with a blank and fired, there was enough power to fire the lodged bullet. Similarly, in 1984, Actor Jon-Erik Hexum held a blank-loaded pistol against his head and fired, pretending to play Russian roulette. The power of the blank round was enough to blow a piece of his skull into his brain and he died. Everyone handling firearms, whether loaded with blanks or unloaded, should be checked and checked again and everyone on a set should understand the dangers.
arista
06-06-2024, 06:15 PM
Brandon Lee was shot on set and died making The Crow.
If a member of my family were shot in the course of their work, I would want everyone who had responsibility for their safety at work to face consequences
Having too much on their mind would not be an excuse for me I'm afraid.
It is a tragedy but accountability needs to be taken
Yes, another Massive Error.
He had a great future
GoldHeart
06-06-2024, 06:22 PM
I just think he would have had so much on his mind at the time of the scene - it just wouldn’t cross your mind that it was possibly a live gun .
Has this ever happened in the last 100 years ?
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Well maybe they should stop using real guns on set then ....If they can't even do proper checks . Health and safety should always be their priority, otherwise what's the point.
Livia
06-06-2024, 06:46 PM
Actors haven't just died because of gunfire in set. They've died by drowning, falling from a horse, aeroplane crashes, car crashes... You can't ban them all. Safety training is the way, I think, to minimise the risks.
AnnieK
06-06-2024, 07:26 PM
It's standard practice when handling firearms. My son is in the army cadets. They get to shoot weapons and prior to being able to even step foot inside the range, they had to study and pass a weapons handling test. This included checking the chamber and never, ever pointing a gun at anyone that hasn't been checked.
Well maybe they should stop using real guns on set then ....If they can't even do proper checks . Health and safety should always be their priority, otherwise what's the point.
I honestly have no idea why they would have real guns in a film studio in the first place !
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Livia
06-06-2024, 07:29 PM
It's standard practice when handling firearms. My son is in the army cadets. They get to shoot weapons and prior to being able to even step foot inside the range, they had to study and pass a weapons handling test. This included checking the chamber and never, ever pointing a gun at anyone that hasn't been checked.
I bet he'll never forget that training either.
AnnieK
06-06-2024, 07:35 PM
I bet he'll never forget that training either.
I don't think he will. Its drilled into them. He loves it though and has given him more respect for guns
GoldHeart
06-06-2024, 07:39 PM
I honestly have no idea why they would have real guns in a film studio in the first place !
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They'll probably argue it's for 'realism' , but then they should make sure only blanks are used & fired .
user104658
06-06-2024, 08:09 PM
It's standard practice when handling firearms. My son is in the army cadets. They get to shoot weapons and prior to being able to even step foot inside the range, they had to study and pass a weapons handling test. This included checking the chamber and never, ever pointing a gun at anyone that hasn't been checked.
Gosh that's new(ish) I was in the ATC and we absolutely did not have tests. We probably should have to be fair, as there was a incident where another cadet loaded his rifle while people were down range (I was one of them) and - I swear to god - I have never heard someone go off like that instructor. Kid probably still has PTSD.
But yeah the had us firing low-caliber rifles on the first week with no safety training whatsoever :joker:
AnnieK
06-06-2024, 08:14 PM
Gosh that's new(ish) I was in the ATC and we absolutely did not have tests. We probably should have to be fair, as there was a incident where another cadet loaded his rifle while people were down range (I was one of them) and - I swear to god - I have never heard someone go off like that instructor. Kid probably still has PTSD.
But yeah the had us firing low-caliber rifles on the first week with no safety training whatsoever :joker:
Yeah...they had a shooting camp recently and had to do the WHT in detachment before they went and then again at camp.
I was a nervous wreck but he loved it.
user104658
06-06-2024, 08:17 PM
Yeah...they had a shooting camp recently and had to do the WHT in detachment before they went and then again at camp.
I was a nervous wreck but he loved it.
We just had an indoor rifle range on site that we could more or less use when we wanted, the main thing they worried about was the price of ammo :joker:. That would have been around 1997-2001ish... Good old 90's health and safety...
arista
10-07-2024, 03:08 PM
Live now on SkyNewsHD
9AM Court Feed Santa Fe
Strict Lady Judge
just said no jury can google this case.
Alec Baldwin has his Glasses on.
Lady Lawyer
now attacking Alec.
She stated "Tight Budget" was on the Film.
arista
10-07-2024, 03:20 PM
The Attacking Lawyer
said the Replica Gun maker
stated the prop gun was in working order
https://news.sky.com/story/alec-baldwins-rust-film-set-shooting-trial-begins-today-here-are-the-key-things-you-need-to-know-13175108
Live Feed now CNN HD on UK Feed
arista
10-07-2024, 03:43 PM
Amazing they playing
clips from the Movie
ON CNN HD
Alec Baldwins Lawyer
saying he was acting
The Lady they set the Gun up
is guilty.
Not him.
I watched the Hannah Guiterrez Reed trial in full. Listening to this when I can while waiting for power post hurricane.
Livia
11-07-2024, 10:54 AM
I watched the Hannah Guiterrez Reed trial in full. Listening to this when I can while waiting for power post hurricane.
I'd be very interested to hear your take on it, Maru.
my takeaway from what i've seen so far is that the prosecution just doesn't have a case. They may have been able to pin it on him previously, but the court has ruled that he can only be viewed as an actor and not as a producer
Laws are for peasants.
'It's a big club and we're not in it"
Kari Morrisey (prosecutor) was a completely different animal during this trial and showed unprofessional conduct. I watched a pretrial hearing and she was practically telling off the judge and behaving in a manner I have never seen a prosecutor behave. It didn't change much in open court. I don't think Hancock (case manager) was very competent, probably inexperienced for such a small sheriffs dept, but she seemed to know so little about her own case and always referred to others for answering questions.
Morrissey had to testify for the dismissal hearing. She claims she did not have prejudice against Baldwin and likes his movies and politics, etc. Anyone who watched both trials could see she is rabid. Even bragged that she would go after him later in closing for Hannahs case that he was next. She knows how to intimidate and control a courtroom and that's the thing. She won the original Rust case and so it went to her head with Baldwin. She was far more aggressive, if that were even possible, going against the other lawyers in a personal manner about their type of lawyering and even the judge telling them how to do their job. She is used to being a bully and it showed. She failed and it is 100% her fault. The other special prosecutor that was brought on just for Baldwin resigned today when they found out what had been missed.
Wild finish to the trial :laugh:
I'd be very interested to hear your take on it, Maru.
:love:
I couldn't catch all of it for the obvious. But I think going back to follow back up on past 3 days will be good. If for anything, as a general PSA for how not to conduct oneself in front of a judge. Baldwin's facial impressions and demeanor made my skin crawl as he stomped off at one point when jury was out of room during a reading. Even though I think he deserves some kind of punishment for his behavior with regards to firearms safety, it will need to be civil or karmic. The judge, imo, has been fair but firm in both trials. More curious now if Hannahs will be overturned, which I think is highly likely.
arista
13-07-2024, 03:50 AM
Alec Baldwin manslaughter case dismissed by judge
https://news.sky.com/story/alec-baldwin-manslaughter-case-dismissed-by-judge-13177207
arista
13-07-2024, 03:54 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/13/02/87276803-0-image-a-7_1720832852656.jpg
[Actor Alec Baldwin interacts with his wife
Hilaria Baldwin during his hearing in
Santa Fe County District Court]
arista
13-07-2024, 03:57 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/13/02/87276809-0-image-a-9_1720832874994.jpg
it's not over for him yet, it seems it's going to civil court where the burden of proof is much less
user104658
22-07-2024, 08:45 PM
it's not over for him yet, it seems it's going to civil court where the burden of proof is much less
He wasn't even found not guilty, it was declared a mistrial, and because it was on the grounds of prejudice from the prosecutor they can't prosecute again.
TBQFH though it was the safety folks/armorer at fault, I think it's a daft precedent to set to say that random actors should be responsible, I think it's basically just a technicality (i.e. if you're an adult holding a firearm what happens with it is your responsibility). I get it but if it's something like this... just seems slightly not quite on the money.
it's not over for him yet, it seems it's going to civil court where the burden of proof is much less
He has insurance paying for a portion of that perhaps especially now as he is not liable criminally. That makes a difference in any costs he can recover from his work. Amber Heard's representation was paid for by Travelers iirc, at least, until she lost her case...
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