Actor Alec Baldwin shoots two people on set (one dead) [Archive] - ThisisBigBrother.com

arista

22-10-2021, 05:50 AM

[A woman has died and a man has been injured after
actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on a New Mexico film set.

Police in the US state said Mr Baldwin
discharged the weapon during filming for
the 19th Century western Rust.
The woman was taken to hospital but died of
her injuries. The man, the film's director,
was receiving emergency care.
A spokesperson for Mr Baldwin told AP news agency
the incident involved the misfiring of
a prop gun with blanks.

The woman has been named as
Halyna Hutchins, 42, who was working as
director of photography.
The man being treated is Joel Souza, 48,
the film's director.
Police are still investigating the incident
at Bonanza Creek Ranch,
a popular filming location,
and no charges have been filed.
In a statement to AFP news agency,
a Santa Fe sheriff spokesman said
Mr Baldwin had spoken with detectives.
"He came in voluntarily and he left the building
after he finished his interviews,"
the spokesperson said.
According to her personal website,
Ms Hutchins was from Ukraine and grew
up on a Soviet military base in the Arctic Circle.
She studied journalism in Kyiv,
and film in Los Angeles,
and was named a "rising star" by
the American Cinematographer
magazine in 2019.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59005500

https://news.sky.com/story/woman-dies-after-alec-baldwin-fires-prop-firearm-on-film-set-12440839

GoldHeart

22-10-2021, 06:01 AM

Someone who put the Blanks in,
put in real bullets
tragic error.

It's more than a tragic error when it's cost someone their life , it's dodgy aswell . How would they not make sure the gun is working properly first??.

I also found it hard to believe Brandon Lee's death was a complete accident ,when the very same thing happened to him aswell.

Unless these movie crews are just hiring complete sloppy idiots behind the scenes ??? ,with zero safety checks ?.

I guess these directors and crew only care about filming and nothing else, yet ironically they were probably taking Covid precautions .

Alf

22-10-2021, 06:05 AM

With the protocols put in place after the Brandon Lee tragedy, this should never have happened. Somebody did wrong.

arista

22-10-2021, 06:06 AM

Maybe no Test shots now
due to cut backs costings

Alf

22-10-2021, 06:09 AM

What a dark World Hollywood is.

GoldHeart

22-10-2021, 06:12 AM

Maybe no Test shots now
due to cut backs costings

You would think they'd learn from Brandon Lee's death , in this day and age who doesn't make sure something is safe before use ??? , and with or without cutbacks it's no excuse really ,not when it's something that important and risky.

This is negligence at its worst. And when it's cost someone their life and badly injured another person, things need to be taken seriously and have to change.

arista

22-10-2021, 06:30 AM

Yes they can not say it was to save money
Tragic this talented Lady Died.

Oliver_W

22-10-2021, 06:57 AM

I can understand someone dicking around and pretending to shoot someone on set. I can't understand why real bullets were even present?!

user104658

22-10-2021, 07:04 AM

Blanks can kill if there is debris in the gun, e.g. a stone lodged in the barrel will fire out like a bullet if a blank round is fired. A blank is just a regular round without the projectile (the bullet), so add any projectile to the mix… and that blank is effectively live.

So could have been that, if not an error made when loading the gun. The other possibility of course is deliberate sabotage.

arista

22-10-2021, 07:16 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/22/06/49497731-10119331-image-m-137_1634880513195.jpg
[RIP: Halyna Hutchins was taken to
University of New Mexico Hospital where
she was pronounced dead at 42.
She was snapped in 2019 in Utah]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10119331/Brandon-Lees-family-speaks-Alec-Baldwin-film-set-tragedy-left-one-dead-one-injured.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailceleb

Nicky91

22-10-2021, 07:28 AM

feel sad for Alec :(

joeysteele

22-10-2021, 07:44 AM

What a tragedy.
Really awful.

Alf

22-10-2021, 08:06 AM

feel sad for alec :(1451388752778055680

thesheriff443

22-10-2021, 08:11 AM

GoldHeart

22-10-2021, 08:23 AM

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Why is Alec Baldwin getting all the blame, he just thought it was a prop and just think how terrible he must feel . He's not the one who loaded the gun.

Hopefully they'll investigate why the props guy thought it was ok to hand a gun to an actor, without checking it's safe first.

Vanessa

22-10-2021, 08:23 AM

Who put real bullets instead of blanks. That's who's to blame. Alec probably thought they were blanks.
Such a tragedy.

user104658

22-10-2021, 08:25 AM

He killed one and shot and wounded another so it won’t be something stuck in the barrel you been watching too much csi

True (re: multiple people being hit) but debris is something that happens and is the main reason that you should never point a loaded gun at someone even if it DOES only have blanks loaded.

Oliver_W

22-10-2021, 08:30 AM

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If you have a toy gun within reach, you play around and pretend to shoot your friends. It's a law of nature.

A real gun is a different matter ... But in America, a gun with blanks is probably regarded in the same way we see toy guns :joker:

Tbh if they're looking for malicious intent, they should see which actors were going to be "shot", and if they had any enemies...

thesheriff443

22-10-2021, 08:35 AM

True (re: multiple people being hit) but debris is something that happens and is the main reason that you should never point a loaded gun at someone even if it DOES only have blanks loaded.

Considering the amount of films that get made that have people using guns in them it’s reassuring that there are not more accidents.

michael21

22-10-2021, 08:36 AM

Maybe no Test shots now
due to cut backs costings

Real bullet are cheaper then fake ones

thesheriff443

22-10-2021, 08:39 AM

I remember the the story in this country of a young game keeper cleaning his shot gun it went off killing his teenage girlfriend so he reloaded and killed him self

user104658

22-10-2021, 08:39 AM

If you have a toy gun within reach, you play around and pretend to shoot your friends. It's a law of nature.

A real gun is a different matter ... But in America, a gun with blanks is probably regarded in the same way we see toy guns :joker:

Tbh if they're looking for malicious intent, they should see which actors were going to be "shot", and if they had any enemies...

I dunno, it's far from Baldwin's first action movie, he will be well aware of firearm safety. Assuming it was accidental, I would think it was during actual filming and the people who were hit just happened to be standing in the direction that the gun was being fired. Which is also against safety protocols but a more likely error than him jokingly pointing a gun and pulling the trigger... only someone with very little experience would ever do that.

GoldHeart

22-10-2021, 08:41 AM

If you have a toy gun within reach, you play around and pretend to shoot your friends. It's a law of nature.

A real gun is a different matter ... But in America, a gun with blanks is probably regarded in the same way we see toy guns :joker:

Tbh if they're looking for malicious intent, they should see which actors were going to be "shot", and if they had any enemies...

Yeah I think Baldwin naturally assumed it was shielded like a toy gun , he was probably being directed and pointed it to demonstrate .

Why were real bullets even around that's the question :suspect: ,were they shooting tin cans between takes? .

You'd think on set they'd try their best not to mix up blanks and bullets,what with it being so dangerous .

thesheriff443

22-10-2021, 08:41 AM

I dunno, it's far from Baldwin's first action movie, he will be well aware of firearm safety. Assuming it was accidental, I would think it was during actual filming and the people who were hit just happened to be standing in the direction that the gun was being fired. Which is also against safety protocols but a more likely error than him jokingly pointing a gun and pulling the trigger... only someone with very little experience would ever do that.

They could of simple be doing a rehearsal
All the people involved would of been on set.

Niamh.

22-10-2021, 09:10 AM

Oh my god, that's awful

Kazanne

22-10-2021, 09:16 AM

I can understand someone dicking around and pretending to shoot someone on set. I can't understand why real bullets were even present?!

I dont understand why they use real guns and why they are even loaded as special effects today are amazing and a shot could easily be faked ,they are actors afterall.

bots

22-10-2021, 09:18 AM

i think we need to wait and see what the investigation uncovers, but it quite simply shouldn't have happened

user104658

22-10-2021, 09:40 AM

I dont understand why they use real guns and why they are even loaded as special effects today are amazing and a shot could easily be faked ,they are actors afterall.

You can't fake the recoil of firing a gun so if they're going for realism, it has to be real guns loaded with blanks.

I don't entirely understand why there would be live ammo on set at all though - I assume maybe for other scenes where the set/props are shot with live bullets; perhaps that's the change in rules that's needed though. You can't accidentally load live rounds if there are strictly NO live rounds anywhere on set.

arista

22-10-2021, 09:45 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/22/09/article-10118665-49503953-976_964x564.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10118665/Rust-movie-set-starring-Alec-Baldwin-LOCKED-New-Mexico.html

Gusto Brunt

22-10-2021, 10:32 AM

:hehe: He accidentally shot two people?

Vanessa

22-10-2021, 11:23 AM

You can't fake the recoil of firing a gun so if they're going for realism, it has to be real guns loaded with blanks.

I don't entirely understand why there would be live ammo on set at all though - I assume maybe for other scenes where the set/props are shot with live bullets; perhaps that's the change in rules that's needed though. You can't accidentally load live rounds if there are strictly NO live rounds anywhere on set.

Someone must have left the real bullets. I think for the scene they were supposed to be blanks.

Livia

22-10-2021, 12:14 PM

user104658

22-10-2021, 12:23 PM

Firing blanks is dangerous. You still have the case and the gunpowder so you still get an explosion so there’s a realistic flash, but anything in the barrel is fired out at velocity, maybe a piece of the case or something that’s entered the barrel accidentally. It’s a risky business. Films like this have armourers to look after the guns so for one not to have been checked or a real bullet slipping through seems unlikely to me. In any case, it’s a bloody tragedy. Can’t imagine how Alec Baldwin feels right now.

Yeah, it reminds me of Brandon Lee's death. They used a deactivated bullet in a previous take (bullet, primer, no gunpowder) and the primer was enough to dislodge the bullet from the case but obviously not fire it - it was sitting half way down the barrel. They then switched to blanks for the next take, without anyone noticing the deactivated bullet had separated, and firing a blank with a bullet lodged in the barrel is basically exactly the same as firing a live round (it's how a musket works for example).

That's why I assumed similar happened here but Sheriff is right in pointing out that this explanation makes it strange that TWO people were shot. I suppose it's possible it hit one and then the other if they were stood together? More info will come, I'm sure.

Nicky91

22-10-2021, 12:23 PM

Livia

22-10-2021, 12:28 PM

Yeah, it reminds me of Brandon Lee's death. They used a deactivated bullet in a previous take (bullet, primer, no gunpowder) and the primer was enough to dislodge the bullet from the case but obviously not fire it - it was sitting half way down the barrel. They then switched to blanks for the next take, without anyone noticing the deactivated bullet had separated, and firing a blank with a bullet lodged in the barrel is basically exactly the same as firing a live round (it's how a musket works for example).

That's why I assumed similar happened here but Sheriff is right in pointing out that this explanation makes it strange that TWO people were shot. I suppose it's possible it hit one and then the other if they were stood together? More info will come, I'm sure.

I hadn't seen your previous post where you explained about blanks...

I suppose it's all about what it was that was fired and where it hit the two people... or maybe more than one projectile. Like you say, more info will come.

bots

22-10-2021, 12:45 PM

if it was pieces of debris in the barrel, i guess it would behave more like a shotgun, spraying that debris, so its going to cover a larger arc

GoldHeart

22-10-2021, 02:15 PM

Yeah, it reminds me of Brandon Lee's death. They used a deactivated bullet in a previous take (bullet, primer, no gunpowder) and the primer was enough to dislodge the bullet from the case but obviously not fire it - it was sitting half way down the barrel. They then switched to blanks for the next take, without anyone noticing the deactivated bullet had separated, and firing a blank with a bullet lodged in the barrel is basically exactly the same as firing a live round (it's how a musket works for example).

That's why I assumed similar happened here but Sheriff is right in pointing out that this explanation makes it
strange that TWO people were shot. I suppose it's possible it hit one and then the other if they were stood together? More info will come, I'm sure.

The bullet/s must have ricocheted , either way it's horrible and should never have happened.

Niamh.

22-10-2021, 02:18 PM

Yeah, it reminds me of Brandon Lee's death. They used a deactivated bullet in a previous take (bullet, primer, no gunpowder) and the primer was enough to dislodge the bullet from the case but obviously not fire it - it was sitting half way down the barrel. They then switched to blanks for the next take, without anyone noticing the deactivated bullet had separated, and firing a blank with a bullet lodged in the barrel is basically exactly the same as firing a live round (it's how a musket works for example).

That's why I assumed similar happened here but Sheriff is right in pointing out that this explanation makes it strange that TWO people were shot. I suppose it's possible it hit one and then the other if they were stood together? More info will come, I'm sure.

I was only telling Luke about Brandon Lee earlier today

Cherie

22-10-2021, 02:20 PM

this is inexplicable, why would he be pointing or shooting a gun at the director and cinematographer, it would make sense if he shot a fellow actor

GoldHeart

22-10-2021, 02:25 PM

this is inexplicable, why would he be pointing or shooting a gun at the director and cinematographer, it would make sense if he shot a fellow actor

I think he must have been demonstrating / following directions.

bots

22-10-2021, 02:31 PM

i think the fact that it happened in the past and all sorts of safety measures were introduced makes this one seem very dodgy

GoldHeart

22-10-2021, 02:43 PM

rusticgal

22-10-2021, 04:18 PM

It said on the news just now...they were blanks not live ammo.

Absolute tragedy...

Nicky91

22-10-2021, 04:23 PM

this is inexplicable, why would he be pointing or shooting a gun at the director and cinematographer, it would make sense if he shot a fellow actor

:umm2:

do you not know how filming stuff works?

they do not point a gun at the other cast member, but at the camera, and they later on edit that as if he points the gun at the opponent, and i think this particular scene was a ''duel''

user104658

22-10-2021, 05:11 PM

this is inexplicable, why would he be pointing or shooting a gun at the director and cinematographer, it would make sense if he shot a fellow actor

It could be a shot facing the camera with director and cinematographer stood behind the camera. It’s a western (I think?) so that would actually be quite a common framing for a shootout type scene (firing towards camera).

user104658

22-10-2021, 05:13 PM

:umm2:

do you not know how filming stuff works?

they do not point a gun at the other cast member, but at the camera, and they later on edit that as if he points the gun at the opponent, and i think this particular scene was a ''duel''

I was actually wondering if it could be a gun duel scene - as the main character firing directly towards camera is sort of a “classic shot” in that type of western scene.

user104658

22-10-2021, 05:16 PM

And this has happened 3 times now , most people know about Brandon Lee ,but apparently another horrific incident happened in the 80s where a guy shot himself in the head with what he thought was just a prop! .

Why were the safety protocols neglected so badly. Surely there must have been other ways ,they could have made the gun shots more realistic without it being fatal .

A blank at point blank range is likely to cause serious injury or death even with no projectile at all. At that range the muzzle flash itself (hot gas expelled from the gun barrel) is enough to penetrate and kill you.

user104658

22-10-2021, 05:19 PM

It said on the news just now...they were blanks not live ammo.

Absolute tragedy...

Has to have been debris in the gun then. I think it seems like this is maybe more common with revolver-type weapons? That’s what they’d be using in a Western; and is also the type of gun that killed Brandon Lee. I think maybe because they function in a relatively “simple” way. More modern-style guns would be more likely to jam than misfire if there was debris in them.

Cherie

22-10-2021, 05:50 PM

Anyway however it happened it’s a tragedy for all involved

Alf

22-10-2021, 06:20 PM

Interesting stat

Brandon Lee's funeral was on Alec Baldwin's birthday.

It doesn't mean anything, it's just an interesting stat.

Alf

22-10-2021, 06:24 PM

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arista

22-10-2021, 10:39 PM

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Beso

22-10-2021, 10:59 PM

It could be a shot facing the camera with director and cinematographer stood behind the camera. It’s a western (I think?) so that would actually be quite a common framing for a shootout type scene (firing towards camera).

It's actually a western about a young man who shoots someone by mistake.

But everyones not picked up on that yet

arista

23-10-2021, 01:01 AM

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arista

23-10-2021, 01:02 AM

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bots

23-10-2021, 10:03 AM

the responsibility is with the person who shoots the gun, not the person that handed him it. He is obviously going for the, it wasnt my fault defence

Niamh.

23-10-2021, 10:27 AM

the responsibility is with the person who shoots the gun, not the person that handed him it. He is obviously going for the, it wasnt my fault defenceReally though? I wouldn't have thought so, he's trusting the people who deal with the guns

user104658

23-10-2021, 10:36 AM

the responsibility is with the person who shoots the gun, not the person that handed him it. He is obviously going for the, it wasnt my fault defence

I think there#s actually quite a lot of precedent - assuming it was indeed an accident - for the responsibility in deaths during movie shoots/stunts for "stunts gone wrong" falling with stunt coordinators and health and safety people, and not the actors or stunt people themselves. In normal circumstances, the person handling the gun is ALWAYS responsible for knowing if that gun is loaded or not, that it's in good working order, etc. but that's different during something like a movie shoot.

Another example would be, if a stuntperson pushes another off a high fall and they're supposed to land safely on an air bag below - but the stunt handlers ****ed up and it's faulty or in the wrong place and they die or are severely injured - the other stuntperson who pushed them off the ledge is not guilty of murder or manslaughter but the people who set up the equipment might be guilty of criminal negligence.

bots

23-10-2021, 11:54 AM

i would disagree with that. It is still the responsibility of the stunt man in your example to make sure that everything is in order, you never rely on other people in any safety issue, you always take your own responsibility

Vicky.

23-10-2021, 12:09 PM

The press are going to hound this guy to death and then say its a huge shock and such a shame as it was clearly eating him up inside and he should have been left alone as it was obviously not on purpose. Can see it coming. I ****ing hope I am wrong but what a messed up situation..

rusticgal

23-10-2021, 01:07 PM

the responsibility is with the person who shoots the gun, not the person that handed him it. He is obviously going for the, it wasnt my fault defence

I read the gun was given to him by a director who believed it to be unloaded shouting out 'cold' gun...meaning safe and unloaded. The chief armourer on set is a young lady who was responsible for checking the firearms.
As an actor if your director hands you a gun he claims is unloaded you are going to believe him..:shrug:

bots

23-10-2021, 01:15 PM

I read the gun was given to him by a director who believed it to be unloaded shouting out 'cold' gun...meaning safe and unloaded. The chief armourer on set is a young lady who was responsible for checking the firearms.
As an actor if your director hands you a gun he claims is unloaded you are going to believe him..:shrug:

i can't agree, responsibility never rests with the most junior person. With something like a gun, the responsibility rests with the person firing it, it's not a toy

rusticgal

23-10-2021, 02:26 PM

i can't agree, responsibility never rests with the most junior person. With something like a gun, the responsibility rests with the person firing it, it's not a toy

I wouldnt say a chief Amourer is a junior person? He is there to do a job and getting paid to do a job properly.

arista

23-10-2021, 02:36 PM

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user104658

23-10-2021, 02:39 PM

i can't agree, responsibility never rests with the most junior person. With something like a gun, the responsibility rests with the person firing it, it's not a toy

I just don’t think the same would apply on a film set - there are people whose entire job is ensuring stunt and equipment safety, and not all actors being asked to be in a scene involving firearms are going to have much (or sometimes, any) real experience in handling them and will purely be following direction.

Also, it’s not particularly easy for an inexperienced person to tell the difference between a blank and live round, nor to know if the gun is properly cleaned and maintained. You’re essentially saying that it should be the actors responsibility to ensure the weapon is in good order and load it themselves, instead of people with extensive firearms handling experience. That would almost certainly result in FAR more accidents.

When you consider how many hours of film/television are filmed every year using things like guns and explosives, fatal accidents are actually extremely rare. I can see that changing pretty quickly if all of a sudden Scarlett Johansson is loading and maintaining her own Glock 26.

arista

23-10-2021, 02:47 PM

['I wasn't sure if I was ready': The 24-year-old armorer
who had doubts before being put in
charge of guns on Alec Baldwin film set
where he shot cinematographer dead - after
some crew walked out over safety
Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed and
assistant director Dave Halls were named
in search warrant on Friday
Gutierrez-Reed, 24, laid out three guns,
and Halls picked up a Colt pistol
and handed it to Baldwin
'Cold gun!' shouted Halls,
a veteran assistant director who
worked on Fargo and The Matrix Reloaded
When Baldwin pulled the trigger,
a bullet was fired, killing the
cinematographer and injuring
the director
Gutierrez-Reed is the daughter
of legendary Hollywood armorer Thell Reed
who trained her from a young age
She recently served as head armorer on a film
for the first time, on The Old Way,
starring Nicolas Cage
In a podcast interview after filming ended,
she said she wasn't sure if she was
ready to be a head armorer
Meanwhile, troubling reports highlight
safety concerns on the set of
Baldwin's Western film, Rust
Production crew on the set of Rust walked
out on Thursday morning in a row over
safety and long hours
On Thursday, when they arrived to pack up,
they found a team of non-union workers
waiting to replace them
Halyna Hutchins decided to stay on the
set and film with Alec Baldwin
and the film director Joel Souza
She had been advocating on behalf
of her team for better working conditions,
but was killed by the bullet]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10123003/I-wasnt-sure-ready-Doubts-head-armorer-24-charge-guns-Alec-Baldwin-film.html

Not good on that film set
before the Death.
Having to bring in, Non Union Workers.

I wonder if this film will now be completed ?

arista

23-10-2021, 02:50 PM

[Workers had been protesting over the
fact production wouldn't pay for them
to stay in hotels and motels in Sante Fe,
instead forcing them to drive an hour to Albuquerque]

arista

23-10-2021, 04:13 PM

Its being called a Low Budget Western.

Meaning Cut Backs can effect the gear.

Mystic Mock

23-10-2021, 10:27 PM

feel sad for Alec :(

It must be awful for him.

Mystic Mock

23-10-2021, 10:47 PM

the responsibility is with the person who shoots the gun, not the person that handed him it. He is obviously going for the, it wasnt my fault defence

Nah they hire people to make sure that the Props are safe to use.

The responsibility lies with them over Alec imo.

arista

24-10-2021, 12:25 AM

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Alf

24-10-2021, 02:21 AM

Very interesting Mr Bond

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Alf

24-10-2021, 07:30 AM

Director Joel Souza, who was the other person shot is out of hospital.

Niamh.

24-10-2021, 12:36 PM

Nah they hire people to make sure that the Props are safe to use.

The responsibility lies with them over Alec imo.Yep totally agree

arista

24-10-2021, 12:51 PM

Yes Alec is the Producer as well
he had to save money
so he hired the young lady Hannah.

Niamh.

24-10-2021, 01:01 PM

Yes Alec is the Producer as well
he had to save money
so he hired the young lady Hannah.How do you know she was cheaper or is this your usual sexist bs? [emoji848]

arista

24-10-2021, 01:05 PM

How do you know she was cheaper or is this your usual sexist bs? [emoji848]

Easy
she is not Fully Qualified
so they pay her a lot less

Movies go over budget a great deal
he had to cut costs

arista

24-10-2021, 01:33 PM

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Hannah Gutierrez-Reed

arista

24-10-2021, 03:55 PM

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['Careless' and 'inexperienced'
armorer, 24, in charge of firearms on
Alec Baldwin's Rust brought filming
to a HALT on her last movie set after
'giving gun to child actress, 11,
without checking it'

The young armorer who allegedly
handed Alec Baldwin the gun that
killed the cinematographer on the
set of his movie Rust was 'inexperienced' with guns
Sources claim Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24,
had a history of reckless behavior
around weapons and was 'a bit careless with guns'
Two production sources claim
Rust Gutierrez-Reed previously gave
a child actor a gun without checking
it on set of the Nicholas Cage's The Old Way
The sources said she was seen
loading blanks in an 'unsafe' fashion
Other sources add that blame also
lies with Dave Halls,
the assistant director who failed to
check the gun when he told
Baldwin it was safe to use
Baldwin tweeted a Variety article
on Friday that he 'was told prop gun
was safe before fatal shooting' as experts
said he ignored basic gun safety rules]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125505/Filming-halted-Alec-Baldwin-Rust-movie-inexperienced-24-year-old-gave-gun-child-set.html

arista

25-10-2021, 01:48 AM

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arista

25-10-2021, 01:49 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/22A6/production/_121207880_telegraph-nc.png

arista

25-10-2021, 01:52 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/97D6/production/_121207883_star-nc.png

GoldHeart

25-10-2021, 02:17 AM

Why did they hire such an inexperienced person :facepalm: , when it came to handing guns.

Alf

25-10-2021, 02:24 AM

Pass the blame from the Democrat supporting shooter.

"Alec is one of us, he can't be blamed"

arista

25-10-2021, 03:45 AM

Why did they hire such an inexperienced person :facepalm: , when it came to handing guns.

It saves a Great Deal of Money.

And Alec is also a Producer

arista

25-10-2021, 06:13 AM

The Film was running behind Schedule
so Alec the Producer
Hired a Cheaper Arms lady
saving money.

The Film must be Stopped
It Stinks

Ref: CNN HD /WION HD/GMBHD itv / SkyNewsHD

Alf

25-10-2021, 06:35 AM

Here's another conspiracy for you, the shooting took place 55 minutes away from one of Jeffery Epsteins ranches.

Just type "Baldwin Epstein" into the twitter search and there's plenty of theories. Or you could watch some South Korean mumbo jumbo on Netflix instead

bots

25-10-2021, 06:47 AM

Alf, you are on fire :laugh:

Alf

25-10-2021, 07:03 AM

Alf, you are on fire :laugh:I just find it bizarre that you're not interested in this stuff. It's all out there in the public space and we're living in crazy times, I don't understand why you wouldn't want to try and work out what's going on in the World. You have loads to say on Harry and Meghan, and they're quite obviously just a distraction story.

bots

25-10-2021, 07:05 AM

i'm able to filter what is nonsense and what is not. That's the difference Alf

Alf

25-10-2021, 07:11 AM

i'm able to filter what is nonsense and what is not. That's the difference AlfThen you're probably an egotistical, snob who thinks they know it all.

arista

25-10-2021, 07:14 AM

Then you're probably an egotistical, snob who thinks they know it all.

No Alf
he seems a fair poster

arista

25-10-2021, 07:16 AM

bots

25-10-2021, 07:19 AM

Then you're probably an egotistical, snob who thinks they know it all.

you are clearly easily led

Alf

25-10-2021, 07:22 AM

you are clearly easily ledNo, I am in total control of myself, I question everything. I even sometimes question whether Trump is a plant.

I feel like some people are just scared to talk about certain things, that's communism.

Alf

25-10-2021, 07:28 AM

Remember the Las Vegas massacre a few years ago? What ever happened with that story? It just disappeared.

arista

25-10-2021, 07:46 AM

No, I am in total control of myself, I question everything. I even sometimes question whether Trump is a plant.

I feel like some people are just scared to talk about certain things, that's communism.

I look at Everything

But saying 5G causes Covid
is Bonkers

You must agree, Alf.

Alf

25-10-2021, 07:50 AM

I look at Everything

But saying 5G causes Covid
is Bonkers

You must agree, Alf.I never took any notice of the 5G stuff. I think that was a David Icke one. I once listened to a David Icke speech at one of those protests on Youtube and most of what he said I could have proved why he was wrong.

Alf

26-10-2021, 01:18 AM

I know you all love your conspiracies, so here's another one.

Alec Baldwin shot a woman who grew up in Murmansk on a Soviet base in the Arctic Circle surrounded by nuclear submarines, her father served in the Soviet navy.

Alec Baldwin starred in the film, "The Hunt for Red October" wherein he helps hunt down a Russian nuclear submarine that was originally docked in Murmansk on a Soviet base in the Arctic Circle.

What month are we in right now? October!

Maybe that's just a coincidence?

Halyna Hutchins was a former investigative journalist who was married to someone with a connection to Hillary Clinton lawyers on the Russiagate scandal.

Her husband is called Matthew Hutchins, who just happens to be an attorney for Washington DC powerhouse law firm Latham & Watkins.

Latham & Watkins is representing Hillary Clinton lawyer Michael Sussmann.

Michael Sussmann has recently been indicted by special counsel John Durham over Russiagate.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Feel free to fact check any of this information, Halyna Hutchins has a Wikipedia page that tells you about her early life and where she grew up, if that helps, and you can find locations for the film "The Hunt for Red October" and you should be able to find out that Sussmann has recently been indicted by Special Counsel John Durham.

Anyway, here's a song by The Doors

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Alf

26-10-2021, 04:28 AM

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Alf

26-10-2021, 04:30 AM

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Alf

26-10-2021, 04:33 AM

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arista

26-10-2021, 05:53 PM

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bots

26-10-2021, 07:31 PM

Elsewhere, a T-shirt which declares: "Guns Don't Kill People, Alec Baldwin Kills People" is being sold for $27.99 (£20.32) on a merchandise site linked to Donald Trump Jr, the son of the former US President - who Baldwin has routinely mocked on Saturday Night Live.

Many have criticised the T-shirts but Trump Jr has defended the product, tweeting: "Spare me your fake sanctimony."

Liam-

26-10-2021, 08:00 PM

That family literally have zero morals, imagine being so callous you use the tragic death and an innocent woman, to make a little bit of money off of your devoted, braindead masses

Alf

26-10-2021, 08:03 PM

That family literally have zero morals, imagine being so callous you use the tragic death and an innocent woman, to make a little bit of money off of your devoted, braindead massesPeople sell tshirts with Chairman Mao on them and he killed millions of people. You should just treat young Donnie the same way you treat them by not even caring.

hijaxers

26-10-2021, 09:39 PM

arista

27-10-2021, 03:04 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/27/14/49667113-10134061-image-a-14_1635339935369.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10134061/Criminal-charges-not-ruled-shooting-Alec-Baldwin-film-report.html

arista

27-10-2021, 04:04 PM

Live on SkyNewsHD

County Sheriff USA

FBI supporting

Charges will go ahead

bots

27-10-2021, 04:08 PM

a person died, someone will be held responsible, but after that, the producers will all get sued in court, no-one in charge will escape from this

arista

27-10-2021, 04:14 PM

It was a Colt 45 Gun.

Alf

27-10-2021, 04:22 PM

Alec can answer his own question from 2017 now.

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Alf

27-10-2021, 04:35 PM

1452844828564275202The mainstream media finally gets up to speed with the conspiracy theorists

I posted this information two days ago. Back then it was probably just a conspiracy theory.

Alf is ahead of the mainstream news.

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arista

28-10-2021, 01:42 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16FAC/production/_121242149_sheriffgetty.jpg

Yes Sheriff Adan Mendoza
Lock Hannah Up.

She grabbed the Real Gun
handed it over.

And Charge Alec
with a mega Fine/

He was the Producer Cutting Costs.

Vanessa

28-10-2021, 08:49 AM

I don't think Alec Baldwin should be charged. It wasn't his fault.
I just wish he had double checked the gun.
So I think he should definitely get a fine.

arista

28-10-2021, 09:23 AM

I don't think Alec Baldwin should be charged. It wasn't his fault.
I just wish he had double checked the gun.
So I think he should definitely get a fine.

Vanessa
Alec Baldwin is also a Producer of this film
as well as the main actor.

As the Producer, he lost staff
and had to hire cheaper crew.

He has got to be Fined, as well as Hannah to be charged.

Or this will happen,
again.

arista

31-10-2021, 06:23 AM

Alec has spoken outside his Home Ranch

His kids are crying
He took that lady he killed for a Dinner
they were good friends

Sorry Alec
you had Money Control of this Film
as Producer you had to cut corners

Alec must be Charged in that Capacity

Young Hannah will get the Main charge.

This Film is never going to be completed.

arista

31-10-2021, 07:05 AM

SkyNewsHD is showing
the new Alec interview

at the start of each hour

At one part they add subtitles as the Wind drowns
out his voice

BBC not showing it?

arista

31-10-2021, 09:09 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/30/23/49839097-10148115-Hilaria_waved_the_photographers_over_after_they_pu lled_over_to_t-a-10_1635631513947.jpg
[Hilaria waved the photographers
over after they pulled over to talk to them]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/30/20/49839053-10148115-Alec_Baldwin_and_his_wife_Hilaria_stopped_to_talk_ to_photographe-a-1_1635623848381.jpg
with his Wife.

arista

31-10-2021, 09:11 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/30/23/49841895-10148115-image-a-2_1635634081358.jpg
[On at least three occasions,
Alec appeared to grow agitated with his wife, Hilaria,
as she interjected]

arista

31-10-2021, 09:14 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/30/23/49841887-10148115-image-a-3_1635634135083.jpg
His wife recording all the interview.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10148115/Alec-Hilaria-Baldwin-talk-photographers-going-hiding-Vermont.html

arista

31-10-2021, 09:16 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/30/23/49841885-10148115-image-a-6_1635634140218.jpg

Take it easy Lady
those reporters have a job to do,

Cherie

31-10-2021, 09:22 AM

You can see how stressed they both are, and the interviewer not knowing Helena’s name is shameful, just shows he wanted a reaction with no respect for the person who died

arista

31-10-2021, 09:35 AM

You can see how stressed they both are, and the interviewer not knowing Helena’s name is shameful, just shows he wanted a reaction with no respect for the person who died

Yes Alec is trying to say Sorry

But as the Producer
he lost good staff
and employed much cheaper Hannah

Hannah Guilty
Alec Guilty of Care as producer.

bots

31-10-2021, 10:52 AM

Yes Alec is trying to say Sorry

But as the Producer
he lost good staff
and employed much cheaper Hannah

Hannah Guilty
Alec Guilty of Care as producer.

you are just making that up Arista, you have no idea of what Baldwins responsibility was at all.

arista

31-10-2021, 11:03 AM

you are just making that up Arista, you have no idea of what Baldwins responsibility was at all.

Rubbish loads of Live Debates on CNN HD USA
TRTworldHD, Wion HD have all said he must be charged

A Producer deals on the Money side of the project.
He is Guilty.

bots

31-10-2021, 11:12 AM

Rubbish loads of Live Debates on CNN HD USA
TRTworldHD, Wion HD have all said he must be charged

A Producer deals on the Money side of the project.
He is Guilty.

You are talking trash. We don't know she was hired on the cheap, and we don't know that Baldwin was responsible for her hiring.

arista

31-10-2021, 11:15 AM

You are talking trash. We don't know she was hired on the cheap, and we don't know that Baldwin was responsible for her hiring.

We know as Producer
he has control over all the Cash

That Movie is now Dead

No Trash talking.

user104658

31-10-2021, 01:09 PM

We know as Producer
he has control over all the Cash

Nonsense, these days TV and Movie stars are regularly given "Executive Producer" credit as part of their contract, usually for purely financial reasons or as recognition of their contribution. He was not Lead Producer and probably had very little input in any day-to-day running of the set, budget or shooting schedule. It's just an accolade for the film credits.

arista

31-10-2021, 01:34 PM

We will find out at
Court.

He was in charge
workers left under his errors
now he has shot a top technician lady , who has died.

Young Hannah
was not up to the job.,

rusticgal

31-10-2021, 02:41 PM

Niamh.

31-10-2021, 03:22 PM

Is his wife the one who got in trouble for pretending to be Latino?

rusticgal

31-10-2021, 03:48 PM

Is his wife the one who got in trouble for pretending to be Latino?

I dunno...but she looks like a complete nutcase. Just a weird interview and weird behaviour considering they are discussing a fatal incident.

arista

31-10-2021, 03:59 PM

Just watched that 'bizarre' interview on television. The wife approaching him whilst he was talking and him saying 'excuse me' to her quite rudely I thought...then she continued to keep walking across and in front of him recording it....interviewed on a busy road....the weirdest thing ever.

Yes his Wife got in his way
they are both under stress.
SkyNewsHD video had to put subtitles on
as the Wind picked up on the mics.

I can understand the Road
as Cameras on his home is dangerous
for his kids/

Nicky91

02-11-2021, 02:39 PM

https://www.tmz.com/2021/11/02/alec-baldwin-hilaria-cat-missing-rust-shooting/

When it rains it pours ... as Alec Baldwin reels from the fatal shooting on the 'Rust' set, his wife just revealed a member of their family is MIA.

Hilaria Baldwin just posted, "We can't find our cat, Emilio. If anyone sees him, please help him get home. We are all so upset. He's microchipped but no collar.

Presumably, the cat was with the family in Vermont, where the Baldwins have been staying since the fatal shooting last month that left Halyna Hutchins dead.

Alec and Hilaria got Emilio for their 8-year-old daughter, Carmen, back in April ... when Emilio was just a kitten.

Emilio is an exotic-looking feline ... a Bengal cat to be exact. The cats are actually created by breeding domestic cats with Asian leopards. The kittens run between $1,500 and $3,000.

Turns out Alec is allergic to most cats, but Bengals are hypoallergenic.

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/f3/4by3/2021/11/02/f362f887d5d945aca0f3aff12ae6a478_md.jpg

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/6c/4by3/2021/11/02/6ccbc9f1c3ba43769d89967a096291f9_md.jpg

No word on how the cat got away, but Bengals have a rep for having behavioral issues.

As we reported, Alec is heartbroken over the death of Hutchins, so this is just one more source of grief.

Cherie

11-11-2021, 10:02 AM

A member of the lighting crew is suing Baldwin for emotional distress...I wonder if this will start a chain of cases, I hope he is well insured

user104658

11-11-2021, 11:26 AM

A member of the lighting crew is suing Baldwin for emotional distress...I wonder if this will start a chain of cases, I hope he is well insured

I would imagine there's not much point suing until the investigation/official legal responsibility has been assigned. Someone will be "suable", certainly, but if the conclusion of the investigation is that the production itself (i.e. poor safety standards) were the cause of the incident and to Baldwin's error, then it would be the production company they'd need to sue... not him as an individual...

GoldHeart

11-11-2021, 05:15 PM

Some people think its insensitive that he posted a Halloween photo with his kids online , I don't know how I feel about it.

Maybe it shouldn't have been posted on social media ,however he's celebrating Halloween with his kids :shrug:.

Alf

18-11-2021, 05:44 AM

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Alf

18-11-2021, 07:41 AM

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bots

18-11-2021, 07:48 AM

this should all be viewed in the context of someone trying to cash in while the goings good.

If we look at each and every one of our own actions, there is always the possibility of doing something differently in hindsight. The simple fact remains that if the prop hadn't been loaded with live ammo, there wouldnt have been a problem

Zizu

18-11-2021, 08:21 AM

I haven’t read through the thread or been following the case closely BUT wouldn’t it be down to the props guys and the weapons experts to ensure the gun was safe ??

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

arista

18-11-2021, 08:26 AM

I haven’t read through the thread or been following the case closely BUT wouldn’t it be down to the props guys and the weapons experts to ensure the gun was safe ??

Yes, the Young Lady (Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
employed
was not qualified to do the job.

Alec was also the Producer
he may have to go bankrupt

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/24/02/49533357-10124421-Hannah_Gutierrez_Reed_was_described_as_inexperienc ed_and_green-m-15_1635038698568.jpg

arista

21-11-2021, 11:16 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/11/21/18/50781301-10227083-Sporting_a_long_jacket_he_is_seen_holding_a_shoppi ng_bag_contain-a-111_1637519422786.jpg

Life goes on/
for now.................

Alf

22-11-2021, 10:57 AM

Yes, the Young Lady (Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
employed
was not qualified to do the job.

Alec was also the Producer
he may have to go bankrupt

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/10/24/02/49533357-10124421-Hannah_Gutierrez_Reed_was_described_as_inexperienc ed_and_green-m-15_1635038698568.jpgSomeone needs to go to jail, the buck stops with the producer who incidentally was also the shooter. Will he go down or will we see what real privilege is?

Alf

16-12-2021, 11:21 PM

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Beso

16-12-2021, 11:38 PM

My opinion on the original story was deleted, so I wont repeat it.

arista

04-02-2022, 02:24 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/03/20/53746361-0-image-m-4_1643919049526.jpg
[Deep in conversation: Alec Baldwin was seen chatting
on his cell on a coffee run, weeks after he turned
over the device to police as they
investigate the fatal Rust shooting]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10474413/Alec-Baldwin-chats-phone-FINALLY-turned-cell-cops-investigating-Rust-tragedy.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top

_Seth

04-02-2022, 02:28 PM

Why is he wearing his mask beneath his nose? What's the point of even having one on, the ****wit.

UserSince2005

04-02-2022, 02:30 PM

whys he yellowfacing, offensive.

Alf

19-03-2022, 04:07 AM

That time Alec Baldwin shot dead a Ukranian lady. Remember that?

When does he go to jail?

glib

19-03-2022, 10:13 AM

That time Alec Baldwin shot dead a Ukranian lady. Remember that?

When does he go to jail?

When does the Met release their report on Boris

This war has played in a lot of peoples favour

arista

20-04-2022, 05:55 PM

A Maximum $136,793 (£105,000) fine to
Rust Movie Productions.

[Alec Baldwin: Rust film producers fined over fatal shooting on set]

[Halyna Hutchins was killed and
director Joel Souza
injured in October as Baldwin
rehearsed with what he believed
to be a safe gun.
The actor, who was also a producer on
the film, has previously said he did not
pull the trigger and has no idea how
a live bullet came to be on the
set near Santa Fe.
The company said it disagreed with
the findings and would appeal.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61169495

Alf

13-08-2022, 08:11 PM

After 10 months the FBI have worked something out.

I could have told them that during the commercial break. A Liverpool fan could have worked that out.

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thesheriff443

13-08-2022, 09:16 PM

After 10 months the FBI have worked something out.

I could have told them that during the commercial break. A Liverpool fan could have worked that out.

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Clearly you not that clever.
He said he never pulled the trigger so you have to test the gun to see if it was faulty or worn to the extent it could go off by itself.

Alf

13-08-2022, 09:21 PM

Clearly you not that clever.
He said he never pulled the trigger so you have to test the gun to see if it was faulty or worn to the extent it could go off by itself.I've never claimed to be clever, I just have my own mind.

Look through this page on this thread. I more or less said that Baldwin shot the innocent lady.

thesheriff443

13-08-2022, 09:28 PM

I've never claimed to be clever, I just have my own mind.

Look through this page on this thread. I more or less said that Baldwin shot the innocent lady.

You said you could of told them he pulled the trigger during the commercial break
You have to fully investigate the possibilities not just say he pulled the trigger because he was holding the gun.

Alf

13-08-2022, 09:30 PM

You said you could of told them he pulled the trigger during the commercial break
You have to fully investigate the possibilities not just say he pulled the trigger because he was holding the gun.I'm not being totally serious. I'm using sarcasm to ridicule the situation.

I shouldn't need to explain that.

thesheriff443

13-08-2022, 09:35 PM

I'm not being totally serious. I'm using sarcasm to ridicule the situation.

I shouldn't need to explain that.

There is a time and a place for sarcasm and this isn’t the time or the place.
After all an innocent woman was killed.

Alf

13-08-2022, 09:37 PM

There is a time and a place for sarcasm and this isn’t the time or the place.
After all an innocent woman was killed.Will you let me know when the time is up so I can make fun of the FBI?

Just send it in a PM if you like.

thesheriff443

13-08-2022, 09:46 PM

Will you let me know when the time is up so I can make fun of the FBI?

Just send it in a PM if you like.

Its never going to happen

arista

13-08-2022, 10:06 PM

[Police in Sante Fe will NOT rule out
criminal charges after
damning FBI report concludes that
Alec Baldwin DID pull the trigger on set of
Rust and killed
cinematographer - despite claiming he did NOT

A new FBI report has concluded that the gun
would only have shot a bullet if the trigger
had been pulled
Testing revealed that Baldwin's claims that
he had been playing with the hammer were
not enough to get the gun to fire
Baldwin has consistently denied that
he pulled the trigger on the gun,
which was supposed to be loaded dummy bullets
The actor, 64, says he's cooperating
with police and said he is hoping there
will not be criminal charges
Hayla Hutchins' death is still under
investigation by the
Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office
She died after being shot in the
armpit by a live round
that somehow made its way into
Alec Baldwin's gun on October 21, 2021]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/13/19/61356915-11108999-image-a-168_1660415765955.jpg
[The actor, pictured with Hutchins and
director Joel Souza, also injured Souza
in the same incident with the .45 Colt]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11108999/Damning-FBI-report-concludes-Alex-Baldwin-DID-pull-trigger-set-Rust.html

Gusto Brunt

14-08-2022, 09:52 AM

Never liked Baldwin ever since he took a political stance. He criticizes others yet his own life is a sham.

I've always thought there was something very fishy about this shooting. I hope justice is served.

Redway

14-08-2022, 04:24 PM

Yes not good
Police will have to do something.

Alec is one of the producers, as well.

Was just on France24HD

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Of course it’s not good. Is that the extent of your sympathy?

Redway

14-08-2022, 04:25 PM

How could such terrible 'mistakes' like this happen.

Why wasn't the gun checked before use , where was the health and safety tests??!.

Sadly this is America. Gun checks don’t run.

R.I.P. to the poor victims.

Redway

14-08-2022, 04:27 PM

It's more than a tragic error when it's cost someone their life , it's dodgy aswell . How would they not make sure the gun is working properly first??.

I also found it hard to believe Brandon Lee's death was a complete accident ,when the very same thing happened to him aswell.

Unless these movie crews are just hiring complete sloppy idiots behind the scenes ??? ,with zero safety checks ?.

I guess these directors and crew only care about filming and nothing else, yet ironically they were probably taking Covid precautions .

You’ve got to remember that arista’s basically a robot. Whatever human emotion and sensitivity he may or may not have are either buried so deep in his repressed psyche that they can’t be consciously-acknowledged or flat-out non-existent. He doesn’t do sympathy or acknowledgment of fatalities that shouldn’t have ever happened beyond “yes not good.” Barely even a comment about the necessity of checking guns.

bots

05-10-2022, 05:31 PM

Alec Baldwin has reached a settlement with the family of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, after she was killed on a film set when he fired a prop gun.

Filming of Rust will continue in January, with Ms Hutchins' widower Matthew on board as the movie's executive producer.

All parties believe Ms Hutchins' death was an accident, her husband said.

A lawsuit filed against Mr Baldwin, producers and others, had alleged violations of industry standards.

The exact terms of the settlement, which is subject to court approval, have not been disclosed.

In a statement, Mr Hutchins said that "all the original principal players" would be involved when filming resumes, which he said would be a way to "pay tribute" to his late wife's final work.

"I have no interest in engaging in recriminations or attribution of blame," he added.

"All of us believe Halyna's death was a terrible accident.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63149155

Niamh.

05-10-2022, 06:17 PM

Bit ****ed up that the husband is going to finish the film imo

Mystic Mock

06-10-2022, 01:42 AM

Bit ****ed up that the husband is going to finish the film imo

Tbf it is Hollywood.

When was the last time something sane actually happened over there?

Cherie

06-10-2022, 07:47 AM

Bit ****ed up that the husband is going to finish the film imo

That was my first thought too but maybe he is doing it in his wife’s memory, it’s a strange one for sure

arista

06-10-2022, 07:59 AM

Bit ****ed up that the husband is going to finish the film imo

But he wants to Honour her work
being Executive Producer means he gets profits,
if any.

I am sure his good lady who was shot dead
would want her project completed

arista

19-01-2023, 04:43 PM

Alec Baldwin to be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter

His Lawyers
are going to fight it.

arista

19-01-2023, 04:46 PM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2DC7/production/_121191711_star-nc.png

Back in 2021

arista

19-01-2023, 04:49 PM

Some Staff had left the set
just before the death.

bots

19-01-2023, 04:49 PM

the armourer is going to take the fall

arista

19-01-2023, 04:55 PM

the armourer is going to take the fall

Yes going to a Court Trial

arista

19-01-2023, 04:55 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/19/16/66754445-0-image-m-35_1674144611988.jpg

Nicky91

19-01-2023, 04:57 PM

the armourer is going to take the fall

well whose responsibility are the guns for, the armourer

any person even those with the lowest IQ's can understand that duh :laugh:

the gun props are locked in storage and the armourer has to guard those and hand them to the actors, producers when being taken to set

soooo lock that person up, for life hopefully, for murder

arista

19-01-2023, 04:59 PM

She (Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
is Young
Nicky

Ideal to get the Blame

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/19/15/66749629-11653589-image-a-5_1674141867128.jpg
Hannah

Nicky91

19-01-2023, 05:03 PM

She (Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
is Young
Nicky

Ideal to get the Blame

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/19/15/66749629-11653589-image-a-5_1674141867128.jpg

a girl????? lmao, whose idea was it to hire a girl for that sort of job

:facepalm:

that's literally asking for trouble, because that is a man's job, nothing for a schoolgirl :umm2:

arista

19-01-2023, 05:05 PM

a girl????? lmao, whose idea was it to hire a girl for that sort of job

:facepalm:

that's literally asking for trouble, because that is a man's job, nothing for a schoolgirl :umm2:

Yes, in the USA, Women have Rights
maybe she was cheap enough
as a Proper Qualified Fella
would cost so much more.

Alec had to trim the Production costs
to keep the movie being made

Beso

19-01-2023, 05:30 PM

She (Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed)
is Young
Nicky

Ideal to get the Blame

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/19/15/66749629-11653589-image-a-5_1674141867128.jpg
Hannah

Skinhead girl.

Mystic Mock

20-01-2023, 02:44 AM

Alec Baldwin to be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter

His Lawyers
are going to fight it.

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

It appears to have been an accident from his perspective.

bots

20-01-2023, 06:05 AM

That's a bit harsh isn't it?

It appears to have been an accident from his perspective.

not really, he was the films producer and ultimately responsible for those employed on the set and their safety. The fact he also fired the weapon is just an added complication

arista

20-01-2023, 07:21 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16AB7/production/_128355829_sunfront-nc.png.webp

Livia

20-01-2023, 11:08 AM

a girl????? lmao, whose idea was it to hire a girl for that sort of job

:facepalm:

that's literally asking for trouble, because that is a man's job, nothing for a schoolgirl :umm2:

Grow up, nicky.

Livia

20-01-2023, 11:12 AM

Everyone who handled the pistol, from the armourer to Baldwin himself, should have checked the firearm. The final person who should have checked was Baldwin. They ALL failed.

arista

20-01-2023, 11:40 AM

Everyone who handled the pistol, from the armourer to Baldwin himself, should have checked the firearm. The final person who should have checked was Baldwin. They ALL failed.

Yes, but Baldwin is blaming
the young lady

And so are his Lawyers

I was amazed to learn
he wants the film to get made, still.

GoldHeart

20-01-2023, 12:41 PM

Zizu

20-01-2023, 05:04 PM

Whoever was in charge of the weapon is guilty,but Baldwin should have also checked it. I will never understand why in this day & age ...when health & safety is meant to be the priority ,that live ammunition was ACTUALLY USED when it's supposed to be a prop .

Have production teams learnt nothing from previous disasters & deaths ... Brandon Lee being the one that really sticks in my mind.

Baldwin should have checked it over ?

I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off ..

:)

But seriously, why should Baldwin be expected to check the gun first ?

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bots

20-01-2023, 05:16 PM

they have a whole series of protocols that need to be followed when using fire arms on set, none of them seem to have been followed. As the films producer, that is Baldwin's responsibility

user104658

20-01-2023, 05:27 PM

the armourer is going to take the fall

I would say that in a case like this, the person whose actual role is to be responsible for the operation and safety of the firearms is genuinely "more" to blame and I also think it's right that Baldwin's part in the blame is being part of the production (and thus ultimately responsible for everyone's safety) rather than being the actor who fired the gun. If he was JUST an actor in it I would have said it's harsh for him to be charged at all.

I think in the end though, with CGI being as good as it is these days, there's a very good argument to be made for simply not allowing live ammunition to be on film sets at all. Blanks only.

The Brandon Lee case is actually slightly different - a bullet from a previous take was lodged in the barrel and it WAS a blank that was loaded for the scene when he was shot... but a live round is basically a blank (case & powder) + a bullet... so the blank fired the lodged bullet that was stuck. It's still a handling error, and it still would have been avoided if they hadn't been using live rounds at all, in any take.

user104658

20-01-2023, 05:29 PM

they have a whole series of protocols that need to be followed when using fire arms on set, none of them seem to have been followed. As the films producer, that is Baldwin's responsibility

It suggests to me unfortuantely that complacency is maybe quite common on film sets - or has been - because accidents have been extremely rare. Hopefully if anything has come of this, it's that productions actually stick to those protocols.

And as I said above - use live rounds far less, or not at all, and rely more on post-processing.

GoldHeart

20-01-2023, 06:17 PM

user104658

20-01-2023, 11:04 PM

Because wasn't Baldwin producing the film aswell , He wasn't just acting was he ?. He's been in the business a long time aswell. But like I said.... especially the person dealing with the gun ,but everyone on set should have done safety checks.

I don't know about everyone on set - not everyone will even be cleared to handle them at all let alone start fiddling with them or inspecting them... And even if they were, it's not a very good idea to start "checking" guns if you don't know how to handle them, that's how MOST firearms accidents happen.

But yes everyone involved in handling the gun in any way should have checked it including Baldwin, and those in charge of the production had a responsibility to make sure everything was being done with the right procedures.

GoldHeart

20-01-2023, 11:35 PM

I don't know about everyone on set - not everyone will even be cleared to handle them at all let alone start fiddling with them or inspecting them... And even if they were, it's not a very good idea to start "checking" guns if you don't know how to handle them, that's how MOST firearms accidents happen.

But yes everyone involved in handling the gun in any way should have checked it including Baldwin, and those in charge of the production had a responsibility to make sure everything was being done with the right procedures.

This is what i meant , obviously i don't mean literally everyone ...as like you say it would have to be people who know how to handle a gun. I guess with it being America aswell... chances are more people over there have more of an understanding and experience with guns than over here.

Someone has sadly lost their life over such tragic stupid negligence, and the people involved have to be held accountable .

And as i keep saying ... why were they even using REAL BULLETS to start with. They can do so much with technology/CGI and props today, without putting themselves and people around them in real danger and jeopardy. It just doesn't make sense to me... on the choices for this film.

Alf

20-01-2023, 11:50 PM

Not sure if there's any truth in it or not, but apparently the lady who was shot was about to drop some information on Hilary Clinton.

There was a tweet from her, which I did see that confirms that. Whether that tweet was a real tweet or fake I don't know.

Zizu

21-01-2023, 12:33 AM

Mystic Mock

21-01-2023, 12:55 AM

not really, he was the films producer and ultimately responsible for those employed on the set and their safety. The fact he also fired the weapon is just an added complication

But it doesn't seem like he deliberately set out to harm her, or anyone else on set.

Alf

21-01-2023, 12:58 AM

Sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory Alf

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bots

21-01-2023, 07:42 AM

But it doesn't seem like he deliberately set out to harm her, or anyone else on set.

When ever a live round gets in to a prop, i would say there must be a deliberate action involved. People are saying things like .... he didn't deliberately do it, because of the actors name and nothing else

Mystic Mock

21-01-2023, 08:06 AM

When ever a live round gets in to a prop, i would say there must be a deliberate action involved. People are saying things like .... he didn't deliberately do it, because of the actors name and nothing else

Tbf couldn't it be possible that someone else meant to do harm on set?

I mean tbf it could also be Baldwin having a vendetta against the victim, but the other option could be someone is setting him up.

If there is any malice involved.

bots

21-01-2023, 09:48 AM

Tbf couldn't it be possible that someone else meant to do harm on set?

I mean tbf it could also be Baldwin having a vendetta against the victim, but the other option could be someone is setting him up.

If there is any malice involved.

after investigation, the police have said Baldwin and the girl are responsible for the womans death, and thats why they will be charged and sent to court. They obviously think there is enough evidence to convict them or it wouldnt go to trial

Livia

21-01-2023, 11:08 AM

Baldwin should have checked it over ?

I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off ..

:)

But seriously, why should Baldwin be expected to check the gun first ?

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Baldwin should have checked first because firearms are dangerous and he was the one who pulled the trigger and killed someone. I don't believe it "just went off".

Anyone who picks up a gun has a responsibility to check it. If you go to a gun range and take out a gun to fire that you know is empty, you still check it.

When Brandon Lee was shot on Crow they wanted the revolver to look like it was loaded with real bullets so for safety sake they removed the powder from each leaving just the empty cartridge and the bullet giving the appearance at close-up of a gun loaded with live rounds. At some point someone pulled the trigger and there was just enough gunpowder in the cartridge to move the bullet up into the barrel. Later the armourer emptied the gun into a bucket and didn't check it. Consequently when it was loaded with a blank, that had enough power to shoot the bullet that had lodged in the barrel and it killed someone. All for the want of people checking and treating firearms with respect.

We don't know the whole story with the Baldwin case but you can bet that there was several missed opportunities to spot the mistake if only people had taken a couple of seconds to check.

Livia

21-01-2023, 11:10 AM

But it doesn't seem like he deliberately set out to harm her, or anyone else on set.

That's why he's been charged with involuntary manslaughter and not murder.

user104658

21-01-2023, 11:23 AM

When ever a live round gets in to a prop, i would say there must be a deliberate action involved. People are saying things like .... he didn't deliberately do it, because of the actors name and nothing else

Some movies that want to be "authentic" and rely on practical effects use live rounds to shoot objects in one scene, then swap to blanks with the same prop gun for another scene where people will be in the line of fire. So basically (assuming accident) either someone left a live round in the gun from a previous take, or someone messed up when they were loading it for that take and loaded the wrong rounds.

To reiterate again I think in a time of cheap, effective CGI there's no real reason to have live rounds anywhere near a film set - you can get close enough with post processing effects. TV shows for example will unlikely ever be using live rounds, and people just don't notice.

Livia

21-01-2023, 11:32 AM

Some movies that want to be "authentic" and rely on practical effects use live rounds to shoot objects in one scene, then swap to blanks with the same prop gun for another scene where people will be in the line of fire. So basically (assuming accident) either someone left a live round in the gun from a previous take, or someone messed up when they were loading it for that take and loaded the wrong rounds.

To reiterate again I think in a time of cheap, effective CGI there's no real reason to have live rounds anywhere near a film set - you can get close enough with post processing effects. TV shows for example will unlikely ever be using live rounds, and people just don't notice.

You don't get the same muzzle-flash from blanks. You can mock it up with a blank flash... but it doesn't look the same. Sometimes they use live rounds for authenticity... but knowing that, you'd think it'd make it more important for everyone to check. There are so many laws surrounding guns on set, look at all the shoot-em-up films that get made without anyone being shot.

user104658

21-01-2023, 03:48 PM

You don't get the same muzzle-flash from blanks. You can mock it up with a blank flash... but it doesn't look the same. Sometimes they use live rounds for authenticity... but knowing that, you'd think it'd make it more important for everyone to check. There are so many laws surrounding guns on set, look at all the shoot-em-up films that get made without anyone being shot.

CGI is good enough to get the effect now, but it's obviously more expensive than just firing the gun for real. Plus some directors are probably "purists" for the art. But IMO 99% of the audience won't notice.

arista

20-04-2023, 04:08 PM

[Alec Baldwin to resume filming Rust - 18 months
after the movie's cinematographer was shot dead

The filming will take place amid ongoing
legal battles, and there are still at least five civil cases
against Baldwin and the producers of Rust.
He has also been charged with involuntary manslaughter,
which carries a maximum 18-month prison sentence.]

https://news.sky.com/story/alec-baldwin-begins-filming-rust-again-18-months-after-the-movies-cinematographer-was-shot-dead-12861493

arista

21-04-2023, 01:28 AM

[Alec Baldwin: All criminal charges against actor
over fatal shooting on Rust set are dropped]

https://news.sky.com/story/alec-baldwin-all-criminal-charges-against-actor-over-fatal-shooting-on-rust-set-are-dropped-12862134

joeysteele

21-04-2023, 07:03 AM

arista

19-12-2023, 05:05 AM

From CNN HD USA Live on UK TV

Alec Baldwin
had to have Police Protection
as he walked to a Teaching/Acting Session.

He was mobbed by Pro Palestine Protestors
in Manhattan

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/19/00/79107695-12878841-image-a-14_1702944000324.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12/19/03/79109585-12878841-image-a-5_1702955459788.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12878841/Palestine-Israel-protest-NYC-penn-station-grand-central-blocked.html

Mystic Mock

19-12-2023, 05:11 AM

Tbf to him, I don't believe either side of the Israel vs Palestine debate should be harassing someone over the topic when Alec Baldwin's job has absolutely nothing to do with Israel vs Palestine.

arista

19-12-2023, 05:18 AM

Tbf to him, I don't believe either side of the Israel vs Palestine debate should be harassing someone over the topic when Alec Baldwin's job has absolutely nothing to do with Israel vs Palestine.

He was not aware of the Massive Demo,
he was walking to his Teaching Acting session.

Mystic Mock

19-12-2023, 05:21 AM

He was not aware of the Massive Demo,
he was walking to his Teaching Acting session.

Exactly.

So why is someone bothering him during that time? Especially given that Alec Baldwin isn't even a Politician.

arista

19-12-2023, 05:23 AM

Easy Target

arista

19-01-2024, 08:21 PM

He has now been Charged with involuntary manslaughter

Faces Court

arista

19-01-2024, 08:23 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/19/19/80236279-12984687-The_grand_jury_indictment_charges_Baldwin_with_inv oluntary_mansl-m-60_1705693995522.jpg

arista

19-01-2024, 08:24 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/19/20/80236181-12984687-Alec_Baldwin_pictured_in_November_was_today_indict ed_by_a_New_Me-m-61_1705694919488.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12984687/Alec-Baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter-Rust-shooting-New-Mexico-grand-jury.html

Alf

20-01-2024, 12:16 AM

Easy TargetI said from the start that he was the guilty party and needs to be sentenced for his crime.

It's only his Hollywood celebrity status that has seen him get away with a crime that a normal person would already be in prison for.

Thank God for Trump for making the little people equal to the elites again.

Zizu

20-01-2024, 02:49 AM

I thought he’d been given a loaded gun rather than a replica by the weapons expert on set ?

How can it be his fault ?

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Alf

20-01-2024, 02:55 AM

I thought he’d been given a loaded gun rather than a replica by the weapons expert on set ?

How can it be his fault ?

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProHe shot an innocent women dead. He was the director of the movie (he made the decisions)

He did it.

Why try and defend him?

He F'd up big time. He shouldn't be let off just because he's an elite actor. You wouldn't be allowed get away with it. You'd already be In Prison.

Zizu

20-01-2024, 04:35 AM

He shot an innocent women dead. He was the director of the movie (he made the decisions)

He did it.

Why try and defend him?

He F'd up big time. He shouldn't be let off just because he's an elite actor. You wouldn't be allowed get away with it. You'd already be In Prison.

He wouldn’t have pointed the gun at anyone if he knew it was loaded/dangerous though ..

There has to be the element of intent , plus motive ..

Again I don’t know all the details ..

Was he convicted of murder ?

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Ammi

16-04-2024, 07:24 AM

Rust armourer jailed for 18 months for involuntary manslaughter…

Rust armourer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was sentenced to 18 months in prison on Monday for the involuntary manslaughter of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on a film set in March 2021.

The 27-year-old had been found guilty for her role in the fatal shooting on a New Mexico film set by a jury in March.

Sentencing her to the maximum jail term requested by prosecutors, Judge Mary Marlowe Sommer told her: “You alone turned a safe weapon into a lethal weapon.”

Hutchins, 42, was killed when the gun, which contained live bullets, went off on the set of Rust, a Western starring Alec Baldwin. The director, Joel Souza, was injured.

The court had been told that Gutierrez-Reed mistakenly loaded a live round into a reproduction Colt .45 revolver which Baldwin fired inside a film-set church.

Baldwin, who was holding the gun when it went off and fired a live bullet, is due to go on trial for involuntary manslaughter in July. He has pleaded not guilty.

Hutchins’s death was Hollywood’s first on-set fatal shooting in nearly 30 years.

Prosecutors said Gutierrez-Reed repeatedly failed to ensure firearm safety and it was her negligence that led to Hutchins’s death.

Wearing tan prison fatigues, Gutierrez-Reed choked back tears as the sentence was passed.

Pleading for leniency, she told the court: “My heart aches for the Hutchins family and friends and colleagues as well.”

“Your honour, when I took on Rust I was young and I was naive. But I took my job as seriously as I knew how to, despite not having proper time, resources and staffing, I just did my best to handle it.”

Asking the court to impose a maximum sentence, the prosecutor said Gutierrez-Reed had shown no remorse, as had been demonstrated by calls she had made from jail to her mother, boyfriend and legal teams.

At one point she described the jury that had convicted her as “a-holes and idiots”.

Friends and family of Ukrainian-born Hutchins paid an emotional tribute to the cinematographer, who was married with a young son.

Hutchins’s father said in a statement read in court: “Each person responsible… needs to carry the punishment that is equal to their guilt.

“Maybe, just maybe, this might prevent the same type of tragedies in the future to others, and spare other parents from such a heart-wrenching catastrophe.”

Emilia Mendieta, a friend and film school classmate, told the judge: “Someone didn’t do their job right. A lot of someones.”

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/rust-armourer-jailed-18-months-204441929.html

Zizu

16-04-2024, 08:32 AM

Madness

At the hearing, lead prosecutor Kari Morrissey urged the judge to issue the highest allowable sentence for the “cascade of set violations” that led to Hutchins’ death. She said Gutierrez-Reed “continues to refuse to accept responsibility for her role,” citing nearly 200 calls the prosecution monitored after she was taken into custody.

“Rather than accept responsibility, she has chosen to point blame at the witnesses who testified against her, me, you, the jury, the set medic and the paramedics who tried to save Ms. Hutchins’ life,” Morrissey said. She moved to designate the armorer a “serious violent offender” to limit her eligibility for a sentence reduction.

Sommer said that Gutierrez-Reed conveyed in those calls that the armorer largely considered the prosecution a “character attack on her” and was “dismissive” of her role in the shooting. Gutierrez-Reed also allegedly said without evidence that the judge was “getting paid off.”

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Livia

16-04-2024, 09:22 AM

He wouldn’t have pointed the gun at anyone if he knew it was loaded/dangerous though ..

There has to be the element of intent , plus motive ..

Again I don’t know all the details ..

Was he convicted of murder ?

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Regardless that the armourer was far too young and far too stupid to be working on a film, Alex Baldwin pointed a firearm and pulled the trigger without checking it. No one who knows anything about firearms would ever do that. The gun was in his hand, he had a duty to check it.

arista

05-06-2024, 09:02 AM

USA TLC will be showing
Alec Baldwin and Family Reality show
but not until 2025

Scottish Reporter in LA
told us on LorraineHD itv

arista

05-06-2024, 09:08 AM

He (aged 66) has been Busy with his younger Wife aged 40 now

https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2024/06/baldwins-tlc-hilaria-baldwin-alec-906996948.jpg?w=620

https://www.the-sun.com/tv/11540710/alec-baldwin-wife-hilaria-reality-show-tlc/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Baldwin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilaria_Baldwin

I think with that many kids
it will be a hit.

Livia

05-06-2024, 09:18 AM

arista

05-06-2024, 09:22 AM

Amuses me to see a man of his age with his much younger wife, surrounded by a hoard of screaming kids. Hope no one watches this, I suspect he's only doing it because his film career is over and rightly so.

But the Kids are the innocents in this
which is why it can be a hit.

Not until next year for TLC UK

Mystic Mock

05-06-2024, 09:23 AM

bots

05-06-2024, 09:25 AM

it's actually very difficult to shoot someone when they are not right beside you, it takes effort

Livia

05-06-2024, 09:25 AM

His intention wasn't to kill someone though.

And I do feel like the intention does matter.

He said it wasn't his job to check the pistol... But it was. If you're going to fire a gun, you check it. Rule No. 1.

Livia

05-06-2024, 09:26 AM

But the Kids are the innocents in this
which is why it can be a hit.

Not until next year for TLC UK

Hmmm. I'm not really interested in him nor his kids.

Mystic Mock

05-06-2024, 09:27 AM

arista

05-06-2024, 09:28 AM

Hmmm. I'm not really interested in him nor his kids.

Of course

But it will be better than other shows
as it is on TLC

Mystic Mock

05-06-2024, 09:32 AM

He said it wasn't his job to check the pistol... But it was. If you're going to fire a gun, you check it. Rule No. 1.

I get that he made a mistake by not checking the gun.

But I feel like I would rather Prison space being used up on people who are a genuine threat to society at large, and holds genuine malice towards other people.

I don't really want Prison space being taken up by someone who accidentally shot a live bullet off, and it unfortunately ended up killing someone.

Especially considering America (like the UK) always talk about a lack of Prison space, well in that case I would prefer that the Prison space be used on far worse people than Alec Baldwin.

user104658

05-06-2024, 09:42 AM

I agree on principle that custodial sentences should be for violent crime or people who have been criminal in a way that presents a clear ongoing danger to the public... However I also don't think he's innocent just because it was unintentional. I'd prefer the consequences (for crime in general) to be more creative than "stick em in jail" though.

Baldwin for example, prison or no prison, IMO should not be allowed around firearms ever again. Including on movie/TV sets. If the job requires an environment where there are live guns - tough, he can't do it. Full stop.

That said beyond that I'd advocate live firearms not being on ANY TV or film set in the first place. Prop guns and effects only. The risk is not worth it just to make it "slightly more authentic" - realistically, no one actually notices if it was a real gunshot, so there's no reason for a real gun.

Mystic Mock

05-06-2024, 09:50 AM

Livia

05-06-2024, 09:52 AM

I get that he made a mistake by not checking the gun.

But I feel like I would rather Prison space being used up on people who are a genuine threat to society at large, and holds genuine malice towards other people.

I don't really want Prison space being taken up by someone who accidentally shot a live bullet off, and it unfortunately ended up killing someone.

Especially considering America (like the UK) always talk about a lack of Prison space, well in that case I would prefer that the Prison space be used on far worse people than Alec Baldwin.

Don't have a problem with him not going to prison but there has to be some repercussions. I'd never let him touch any kind of firearm again and the fine should be hefty.

Mystic Mock

05-06-2024, 09:56 AM

Don't have a problem with him not going to prison but there has to be some repercussions. I'd never let him touch any kind of firearm again and the fine should be hefty.

Tbh I personally wouldn't mind this being his punishment.

Alf

05-06-2024, 05:02 PM

His intention wasn't to kill someone though.

And I do feel like the intention does matter.Do you know that for sure? Or are you just taking his word for it?

Zizu

05-06-2024, 07:47 PM

His intention wasn't to kill someone though.

And I do feel like the intention does matter.

I don’t get why he he’s expected to check that gun wasn’t a real gun / loaded with real bullets ..

Why on gawd’s earth would a film studio have a real gun loaded with real bullets in the first place !!?? Its pure madness !!

In his position I would have been concentrating on how I was actually holding the gun … I would have fired without giving it a second thought !!

Whoever put the gun and live bullets in the studio props depart should be locked away forever !!

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bots

05-06-2024, 08:09 PM

I don’t get why he he’s expected to check that gun wasn’t a real gun / loaded with real bullets ..

Why on gawd’s earth would a film studio have a real gun loaded with real bullets in the first place !!?? Its pure madness !!

In his position I would have been concentrating on how I was actually holding the gun … I would have fired without giving it a second thought !!

Whoever put the gun and live bullets in the studio props depart should be locked away forever !!

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it's part of the responsibility you take for handling a gun. There have been countless cases where someone has thought a gun was unloaded and as a joke pointed it at someones head and blown their head off. Responsibility always lies with the person firing the gun

Zizu

05-06-2024, 08:21 PM

it's part of the responsibility you take for handling a gun. There have been countless cases where someone has thought a gun was unloaded and as a joke pointed it at someones head and blown their head off. Responsibility always lies with the person firing the gun

Crazy things happen in households where guns are present ( USA) but there should never be any live weapons/ bullets in a film studio props department …it’s as crazy as having them lying around in a school classroom .. its just completely ridiculous