J.K. Rowling claims she has received many death threats.

[Alf]

This is part of a thread by JK Rowling on twitter, so click on the tweet, there are more tweets.



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[bots]

i believe it's verifiable fact that she has had many, many death threats

[Oliver_W]

It's never ending for her, plenty of angry males get their underwear knotted over the fact she understands men are men and women are women.

[arista]

HBO is doing a special with the Actors
But Banned JK?

[Alf]

It's never ending for her, plenty of angry males get their underwear knotted over the fact she understands men are men and women are women.I hear a lot about her run ins with the trans activists, but I don't really take too much notice. I might start following it a bit more and join in with some ridiculing of these prats. They sound like they need a good ribbing. The best way to tackle bullies is to give them some of their own medicine, they hate that. And I enjoy the battle.

[Liam-]

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

[bots]

So everyone should send out death threats cause it's just nasty words on a screen ... got it

[Liam-]

So everyone should send out death threats cause it's just nasty words on a screen ... got it

At no point did I say anything even close to that, but yeah let’s brush over trans people being attacked in the street to try and do a ‘gotcha’, you do you

[Alf]

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about thatI'm all ears. Any cases of this you can share with us?

[jet]

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

It could become more than nasty words on a screen when her home address is being displayed on Twitter. That is totally unacceptable.

[Niamh.]

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

People like JK Rowling are concerned about women's rights and preserving them, she's not actually said anything transphobic at all, all she's ever spoken about was the erosion of our rights and of the language we use to describe ourselves

[Niamh.]

The last part of her tweets here is absolutely spot on too :

Perhaps – and I’m just throwing this out there – the best way to prove your movement isn’t a threat to women, is to stop stalking, harassing and threatening us

[thesheriff443]

People like JK Rowling are concerned about women's rights and preserving them, she's not actually said anything transphobic at all, all she's ever spoken about was the erosion of our rights and of the language we use to describe ourselves

Just a question would you be ok for a trans person to use women’s facilities if they had full gender reassignment?

[Tom4784]

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[Niamh.]

Just a question would you be ok for a trans person to use women’s facilities if they had full gender reassignment?

Well, transwomen have used women's toilets etc for years and really no women ever complained about it, I never had an issue with it, it's only in recent years where all the gender identity politics have taken over that it's become an issue, personally I think it's because the umbrella of what trans actually is nowadays has become so wide and basically anyone can say they're trans and you can't challenge that, it's become a meaningless phrase. It used to be transsexual but now it's transgender and there in lies the problem, sex has become meaningless according to trans-activists and this is a problem for women as the whole reason we needed our own sports and spaces was for sex based reasons, biology, nothing to do with a gender identity, women don't get raped because of their gender identity, we need segregated sports because of biological differences from men

[thesheriff443]

Well, transwomen have used women's toilets etc for years and really no women ever complained about it, I never had an issue with it, it's only in recent years where all the gender identity politics have taken over that it's become an issue, personally I think it's because the umbrella of what trans actually is nowadays has become so wide and basically anyone can say they're trans and you can't challenge that, it's become a meaningless phrase. It used to be transsexual but now it's transgender and there in lies the problem, sex has become meaningless according to trans-activists and this is a problem for women as the whole reason we needed our own sports and spaces was for sex based reasons, biology, nothing to do with a gender identity, women don't get raped because of their gender identity, we need segregated sports because of biological differences from men
I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

[jet]

A penis doesn't belong in a woman's toilet or changing facility. End of imo.

[jet]

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

There are mixed wards nowadays and all wards have privacy screens anyway.

[Niamh.]

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

It's difficult for me to answer that really, like I said I wouldn't have had an issue with it years ago but I think this widening of the umbrella has made it very difficult for both women and I think it has for genuine transexuals, I think they're facing a push back from people who never would have because of the aggressive way women are being told to shut up and let basically anyone into their spaces/sports and raising concerns makes you a bigot.

[Oliver_W]

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

There are lots of mixed-sex wards nowadays, but if there is a ward which is meant to just be for women ... It should only permit women.

[thesheriff443]

It's difficult for me to answer that really, like I said I wouldn't have had an issue with it years ago but I think this widening of the umbrella has made it very difficult for both women and I think it has for genuine transexuals, I think they're facing a push back from people who never would have because of the aggressive way women are being told to shut up and let basically anyone into their spaces/sports and raise concerns makes you a bigot.

Wise words.

[user104658]

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

There's a lot to be said about this and you could do a real deep dive, but the basic issue is one that's been looming for years, and has a much wider-ranging effect than just Trans rights and issues.

Certain groups (trans rights is one) somewhere along got the idea that the way to force progress for your cause is to refuse discussion, shout down, chant mantras, have zero tolerance for debate, and brand people's concerns as hateful rather than engage in open discussion to try to dispel those concerns. There's been a fundamental misunderstanding that a small group shouting loud enough can push an agenda without wider support from outside of that group.

It's an inherently extreme and dogmatic position; but it worked in the very-short-term and got a lot of support from large organisations and even governments, so it was believed to be working, and people doubled-down.

But it's an unreasonable and unsustainable position and the inevitable outcome has been the rapid destruction of the mainstream support base for Trans issues.

Does that mean that violence (actual violence, not imaginary "violence" such as asking for perfectly reasonable debate on topics where rights conflict) against Trans people or anyone else is ever accaptable? No, of course it absolutely does not, and anyone who engages in it or encourages it (again, in the real sense, not the bizarre imaginary sense where any questioning = murder) should be legally dealt with accordingly.

However, the erosion of empathy is inevitable. People have several perfectly reasonable concerns when it comes to gender ideology, youth mental health, how women's rights are affected, basic criticisms of the concept at a philosophical level (e.g. the reliance on often somewhat offensive sex-stereotyping in the very definitions of gender) and they have been told to sit down, shut up, and branded hateful.

And then wonder why empathy appears lacking?

People are generally fairly simple creatures. And it doesn't even matter when empathy isn't lacking, it's immediately branded disingenuous if it comes from someone who isn't fully signed up to the prescribed thinking.

It's a mess basically, and still spiraling.

[thesheriff443]

There are lots of mixed-sex wards nowadays, but if there is a ward which is meant to just be for women ... It should only permit women.

I can’t really answer as a woman because I’m not one but it my eyes I see someone who has had a full operation as a woman

In biological terms they can never be a woman but in term of living as a woman then they should be allowed to be on a woman’s ward

[Oliver_W]

I can’t really answer as a woman because I’m not one but it my eyes I see someone who has had a full operation as a woman

In biological terms they can never be a woman but in term of living as a woman then they should be allowed to be on a woman’s ward

What is "living as a woman"?

[thesheriff443]

What is "living as a woman"?

Having the same rights has a woman that was born female

[user104658]

What is "living as a woman"?

This is of course where a lot of it starts to fall apart because it is of course based on personality stereotyping... and any logical arguments for it very quickly start to conflict with themselves let alone with counter-arguments. For example, the concept of the gender non-binary is largely incompatible with the concept of trans. One argues against the other in really very basic ways. Of course you don't have to worry about that incompatibility if you refuse to acknowledge any discussion of either issue, which I suspect might be part of the reason people find those discussions so confronting and upsetting.

[Oliver_W]

Having the same rights has a woman that was born female

Oh? The same rights? Such as the right to a single sex space? And sex-segregated sports?

Women can't have those rights if transwomen muscle in...

[thesheriff443]

Oh? The same rights? Such as the right to a single sex space? And sex-segregated sports?

Women can't have those rights if transwomen muscle in...

With sports It has to looked at on individual levels

Not all men are the same and in fact you can have women that are physically stronger than men

[thesheriff443]

Disclaimer, its just my opinion and I’m not forcing women to do anything they don’t want to do.

[Niamh.]

With sports It has to looked at on individual levels

Not all men are the same and in fact you can have women that are physically stronger than men

I'm sorry but with sports it should be biological females only especially at elite levels

[Tom4784]

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[thesheriff443]

I'm sorry but with sports it should be biological females only especially at elite levels

I respect your opinion

[thesheriff443]

Not at a professional level. The skill level of any professional sport is often so high that any little advantage can make the difference. The physical advantages that men have will give them huge advantages over women.

I believe the Williams sisters once took on a male tennis player who was ranked far below them and he managed to beat them both on physical advantages alone. Testosterone matters in sport.

Yes you are right but I wasn’t really focusing on the sports issues more on letting someone live their life as a woman

[Niamh.]

Not at a professional level. The skill level of any professional sport is often so high that any little advantage can make the difference. The physical advantages that men have will give them huge advantages over women.

I believe the Williams sisters once took on a male tennis player who was ranked far below them and he managed to beat them both on physical advantages alone. Testosterone matters in sport.

I think that male tennis player was ranked 203rd, that tell s you everything you need to know about the differences considering I'm fairly sure that was at Serena's peak and she was miles ahead of her closest female competition

[Liam-]

Can we just take a moment to consider the reaction if someone said it’s not surprising people don’t feel empathy if women got attacked because someone of them are nuts? There would be justifiable outrage because that sort of argument is grim. I’m genuinely baffled by the obvious double standards when it comes to the treatment of groups of people, people are expected to take women’s feelings, thoughts and safety into consideration, but apparently it’s understandable and unavoidable that people don’t feel empathy for trans people who are facing violence at a rising level, because a minority of trans people are weird anti-conversationalists? Horrid

[Oliver_W]

Yes you are right but I wasn’t really focusing on the sports issues more on letting someone live their life as a woman

Again, "living their life as a woman" is meaningless. A man could be a single parent and work part time as a nurse, and make amazing cakes. Stereotypically he could be said to be leading a "woman's life" , so would he be living as a woman? Or does it just involve changing one's name and clothes?

[Niamh.]

Can we just take a moment to consider the reaction if someone said it’s not surprising people don’t feel empathy if women got attacked because someone of them are nuts? There would be justifiable outrage because that sort of argument is grim. I’m genuinely baffled by the obvious double standards when it comes to the treatment of groups of people, people are expected to take women’s feelings, thoughts and safety into consideration, but apparently it’s understandable and unavoidable that people don’t feel empathy for trans people who are facing violence at a rising level, because a minority of trans people are weird anti-conversationalists? Horrid

I wouldn't like to see anyone being attacked :shrug:

[thesheriff443]

Again, "living their life as a woman" is meaningless. A man could be a single parent and work part time as a nurse, and make amazing cakes. Stereotypically he could be said to be leading a "woman's life" , so would he be living as a woman? Or does it just involve changing one's name and clothes?

There is a big difference between a man dressing as a woman and and man having an operation to remove his penis

[Crimson Dynamo]

men angry at successful women shock

[GoldHeart]

Anyone using death threats .. have already lost their little argument.

These idiots don't care about protecting trans, they just want to attack and once again it has misogynistic tones.. wow what a surprise :bored: .

[user104658]

Can we just take a moment to consider the reaction if someone said it’s not surprising people don’t feel empathy if women got attacked because someone of them are nuts? There would be justifiable outrage because that sort of argument is grim. I’m genuinely baffled by the obvious double standards when it comes to the treatment of groups of people, people are expected to take women’s feelings, thoughts and safety into consideration, but apparently it’s understandable and unavoidable that people don’t feel empathy for trans people who are facing violence at a rising level, because a minority of trans people are weird anti-conversationalists? Horrid


I didn’t say it’s an understandable mindset, I said it’s an inevitable mindset. In this case that’s a very important distinction. The people who lack empathy for transpeople being attacked are not the ones seeking open conversation, but they are lumped together as one and the same and hounded by a very vocal minority.

[Oliver_W]

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[Kazanne]

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:joker::joker: Love that.

[Beso]

Some of them are dumb enough to actually do that

[user104658]

Some of them are dumb enough to actually do that

IMO it has more to do with "joining in" (group mentality) than being dumb, per se. Worryingly enough, some very intelligent people can be drawn into these sorts of mentalities by a strong group branding.

[bots]

death threats and taking a picture of her house with the address showing is taking it to a higher level of threat i think. It's pretty crazy that can happen here in the uk for having an opinion

[Oliver_W]

death threats and taking a picture of her house with the address showing is taking it to a higher level of threat i think. It's pretty crazy that can happen here in the uk for having an opinion

She writes fiction - gets praised

She writes facts - people are after her blood.

[user104658]

One of the most ironic, troubling, but ultimately unsurprising aspects of all of this is that it's blatantly gendered. Gender critical men on Social Media don't face the threats, they don't face the harassment, they certainly aren't abused and doxxed to anything like the degree that women are. A complicated combination of women being seen as fair game, and women simply being held to higher standards. Knowing that if they get aggressive with men, men are socialised to A) not be as intimidated in the first place and B) get aggressive back at them (and have that be expected and acceptable). If women respond aggressively, it only leads to them being further branded bitter/aggressive/hateful. How many male celebrities are OPENLY gender critical all over the media and face a fraction of the backlash JK Rowling has had ... for (initially) simply seeking an open good faith discussion of the subject.

I see it literally all the time.

There's something Daniel LaRusso's daughter in Cobra Kai says at one point - obviously relating to kids beating each other up with Karate - but she says something like "When boys fight back they're called heroes, when girls fight back we're called psycho."

:shrug: Cobra Kai with the facts.

[Cherie]

death threats and taking a picture of her house with the address showing is taking it to a higher level of threat i think. It's pretty crazy that can happen here in the uk for having an opinion

and that we seem to be at the point where some people find it acceptable

like the Professor who was intimidated into resigning from her job, that is done and dusted now and forgotten about

[Niamh.]

One of the most ironic, troubling, but ultimately unsurprising aspects of all of this is that it's blatantly gendered. Gender critical men on Social Media don't face the threats, they don't face the harassment, they certainly aren't abused and doxxed to anything like the degree that women are. A complicated combination of women being seen as fair game, and women simply being held to higher standards. Knowing that if they get aggressive with men, men are socialised to A) not be as intimidated in the first place and B) get aggressive back at them (and have that be expected and acceptable). If women respond aggressively, it only leads to them being further branded bitter/aggressive/hateful. How many male celebrities are OPENLY gender critical all over the media and face a fraction of the backlash JK Rowling has had ... for (initially) simply seeking an open good faith discussion of the subject.

I see it literally all the time.

There's something Daniel LaRusso's daughter in Cobra Kai says at one point - obviously relating to kids beating each other up with Karate - but she says something like "When boys fight back they're called heroes, when girls fight back we're called psycho."

:shrug: Cobra Kai with the facts.

Absolutely spot on. You forgot the most important one we're called though "hysterical" :p

[Niamh.]

and that we seem to be at the point where some people find it acceptable

like the Professor who was intimidated into resigning from her job, that is done and dusted now and forgotten about

I actually read the other day about some Doctor called Adrian harrop, he's a gay man and transactivist who is currently been investigated by the medical board for doxxing people and sharing their personal details online. He seems like a particularly nasty character

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10204933/NHS-GP-used-Twitter-account-intimidate-social-media-rivals-opposed-pro-transgender-views.html

[Niamh.]

Good article here on it by Julie Bindel

https://unherd.com/thepost/the-sinister-stunt-against-jk-rowling/

[user104658]

I actually read the other day about some Doctor called Adrian harrop, he's a gay man and transactivist who is currently been investigated by the medical board for doxxing people and sharing their personal details online. He seems like a particularly nasty character

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10204933/NHS-GP-used-Twitter-account-intimidate-social-media-rivals-opposed-pro-transgender-views.html

I've been aware of this fellow for a while - an example of someone who has become increasingly emboldened by lack of repercussions for "minor" social media aggression, and thus has ended up taking it past the point where it can be ignored and found himself in real trouble. And will no doubt cry "oppression" (or bigotry) in the face of the consequences.

[Niamh.]

I've been aware of this fellow for a while - an example of someone who has become increasingly emboldened by lack of repercussions for "minor" social media aggression, and thus has ended up taking it past the point where it can be ignored and found himself in real trouble. And will no doubt cry "oppression" (or bigotry) in the face of the consequences.

Well hopefully he will be struck off after this. I remember him now actually, he was the guy debating Kellie Jay keen Minshull about that Adult Human Female poster stuff a couple of years ago (Can't believe he actually says at one point that a woman's group were appropriating the definition of women, women are appropriating the word that describes themselves??)

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[Tom4784]

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[Oliver_W]

Well hopefully he will be struck off after this. I remember him now actually, he was the guy debating Kellie Jay keen Minshull about that Adult Human Female poster stuff a couple of years ago (Can't believe he actually says at one point that a woman's group were appropriating the definition of women, women are appropriating the word that describes themselves??)

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Kellie Jay :love:

She was talking about this in a recent stream, delighting in the fact he is no MISTER Harrop :joker:

[Niamh.]

Kellie Jay :love:

She was talking about this in a recent stream, delighting in the fact he is no MISTER Harrop :joker:

:laugh:

[Cherie]

Well hopefully he will be struck off after this. I remember him now actually, he was the guy debating Kellie Jay keen Minshull about that Adult Human Female poster stuff a couple of years ago (Can't believe he actually says at one point that a woman's group were appropriating the definition of women, women are appropriating the word that describes themselves??)

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He just about sums the face of these activists doesn't he :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[GoldHeart]

IMO it has more to do with "joining in" (group mentality) than being dumb, per se. Worryingly enough, some very intelligent people can be drawn into these sorts of mentalities by a strong group branding.

There's alot of jumping on bandwagons with these things, but like I said anyone sending 'death threats ' is not a rational nor a stable person to begin with.

But it's all too common with social media and trolls , celebrities seem to get 'death threats' on a daily basis, can be such a toxic place.