[Alf]

This is part of a thread by JK Rowling on twitter, so click on the tweet, there are more tweets.

[bots]

i believe it's verifiable fact that she has had many, many death threats

[Oliver_W]

It's never ending for her, plenty of angry males get their underwear knotted over the fact she understands men are men and women are women.

[arista]

HBO is doing a special with the Actors
But Banned JK?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's never ending for her, plenty of angry males get their underwear knotted over the fact she understands men are men and women are women.

I hear a lot about her run ins with the trans activists, but I don't really take too much notice. I might start following it a bit more and join in with some ridiculing of these prats. They sound like they need a good ribbing. The best way to tackle bullies is to give them some of their own medicine, they hate that. And I enjoy the battle.

[Liam-]

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

[bots]

So everyone should send out death threats cause it's just nasty words on a screen ... got it

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So everyone should send out death threats cause it's just nasty words on a screen ... got it

At no point did I say anything even close to that, but yeah let’s brush over trans people being attacked in the street to try and do a ‘gotcha’, you do you

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

I'm all ears. Any cases of this you can share with us?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

It could become more than nasty words on a screen when her home address is being displayed on Twitter. That is totally unacceptable.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

People like JK Rowling are concerned about women's rights and preserving them, she's not actually said anything transphobic at all, all she's ever spoken about was the erosion of our rights and of the language we use to describe ourselves

[Niamh.]

The last part of her tweets here is absolutely spot on too :

Perhaps – and I’m just throwing this out there – the best way to prove your movement isn’t a threat to women, is to stop stalking, harassing and threatening us

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

People like JK Rowling are concerned about women's rights and preserving them, she's not actually said anything transphobic at all, all she's ever spoken about was the erosion of our rights and of the language we use to describe ourselves

Just a question would you be ok for a trans person to use women’s facilities if they had full gender reassignment?

[Tom4784]

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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Just a question would you be ok for a trans person to use women’s facilities if they had full gender reassignment?

Well, transwomen have used women's toilets etc for years and really no women ever complained about it, I never had an issue with it, it's only in recent years where all the gender identity politics have taken over that it's become an issue, personally I think it's because the umbrella of what trans actually is nowadays has become so wide and basically anyone can say they're trans and you can't challenge that, it's become a meaningless phrase. It used to be transsexual but now it's transgender and there in lies the problem, sex has become meaningless according to trans-activists and this is a problem for women as the whole reason we needed our own sports and spaces was for sex based reasons, biology, nothing to do with a gender identity, women don't get raped because of their gender identity, we need segregated sports because of biological differences from men

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, transwomen have used women's toilets etc for years and really no women ever complained about it, I never had an issue with it, it's only in recent years where all the gender identity politics have taken over that it's become an issue, personally I think it's because the umbrella of what trans actually is nowadays has become so wide and basically anyone can say they're trans and you can't challenge that, it's become a meaningless phrase. It used to be transsexual but now it's transgender and there in lies the problem, sex has become meaningless according to trans-activists and this is a problem for women as the whole reason we needed our own sports and spaces was for sex based reasons, biology, nothing to do with a gender identity, women don't get raped because of their gender identity, we need segregated sports because of biological differences from men

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

[jet]

A penis doesn't belong in a woman's toilet or changing facility. End of imo.

[jet]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

There are mixed wards nowadays and all wards have privacy screens anyway.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

It's difficult for me to answer that really, like I said I wouldn't have had an issue with it years ago but I think this widening of the umbrella has made it very difficult for both women and I think it has for genuine transexuals, I think they're facing a push back from people who never would have because of the aggressive way women are being told to shut up and let basically anyone into their spaces/sports and raising concerns makes you a bigot.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

There are lots of mixed-sex wards nowadays, but if there is a ward which is meant to just be for women ... It should only permit women.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's difficult for me to answer that really, like I said I wouldn't have had an issue with it years ago but I think this widening of the umbrella has made it very difficult for both women and I think it has for genuine transexuals, I think they're facing a push back from people who never would have because of the aggressive way women are being told to shut up and let basically anyone into their spaces/sports and raise concerns makes you a bigot.

Wise words.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Meanwhile actual violent crime against trans people has risen drastically over the past couple of years, are death threats bad? Obviously yes and it shouldn’t happen, but they’re nasty words on a screen, trans people are being attacked in the streets and people like Rowling don’t really seem to care all that much about that

There's a lot to be said about this and you could do a real deep dive, but the basic issue is one that's been looming for years, and has a much wider-ranging effect than just Trans rights and issues.

Certain groups (trans rights is one) somewhere along got the idea that the way to force progress for your cause is to refuse discussion, shout down, chant mantras, have zero tolerance for debate, and brand people's concerns as hateful rather than engage in open discussion to try to dispel those concerns. There's been a fundamental misunderstanding that a small group shouting loud enough can push an agenda without wider support from outside of that group.

It's an inherently extreme and dogmatic position; but it worked in the very-short-term and got a lot of support from large organisations and even governments, so it was believed to be working, and people doubled-down.

But it's an unreasonable and unsustainable position and the inevitable outcome has been the rapid destruction of the mainstream support base for Trans issues.

Does that mean that violence (actual violence, not imaginary "violence" such as asking for perfectly reasonable debate on topics where rights conflict) against Trans people or anyone else is ever accaptable? No, of course it absolutely does not, and anyone who engages in it or encourages it (again, in the real sense, not the bizarre imaginary sense where any questioning = murder) should be legally dealt with accordingly.

However, the erosion of empathy is inevitable. People have several perfectly reasonable concerns when it comes to gender ideology, youth mental health, how women's rights are affected, basic criticisms of the concept at a philosophical level (e.g. the reliance on often somewhat offensive sex-stereotyping in the very definitions of gender) and they have been told to sit down, shut up, and branded hateful.

And then wonder why empathy appears lacking?

People are generally fairly simple creatures. And it doesn't even matter when empathy isn't lacking, it's immediately branded disingenuous if it comes from someone who isn't fully signed up to the prescribed thinking.

It's a mess basically, and still spiraling.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are lots of mixed-sex wards nowadays, but if there is a ward which is meant to just be for women ... It should only permit women.

I can’t really answer as a woman because I’m not one but it my eyes I see someone who has had a full operation as a woman

In biological terms they can never be a woman but in term of living as a woman then they should be allowed to be on a woman’s ward

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I can’t really answer as a woman because I’m not one but it my eyes I see someone who has had a full operation as a woman

In biological terms they can never be a woman but in term of living as a woman then they should be allowed to be on a woman’s ward

What is "living as a woman"?