USA: Man gets genetically-modified pig heart

[arista]

Lucky old Fella
can get back with his Dog

[A US man has become the first person in the
world to get a heart transplant from
a genetically-modified pig.
David Bennett, 57, is doing well three days
after the experimental seven-hour
procedure in Baltimore, doctors say.

The transplant was considered the last hope
of saving Mr Bennett's life,
though it is not yet clear what his
long-term chances of survival are.
"It was either die or do this transplant,"
Mr Bennett explained a day before the surgery.
"I know it's a shot in the dark,
but it's my last choice," he said.
Doctors at the University of Maryland Medical Center
were granted a special dispensation
by the US medical regulator to
carry out the procedure,
on the basis that Mr Bennett
would otherwise have died.]



I guess, if it was me
I would stay off eating Bacon
for respect to my new heart etc


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59944889


4 weeks before
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/10CB0/production/_122648786_4f61f140-dec7-45bb-9f49-26492c2062b8.jpg

[Toy Soldier]

Read this thread title as “Man gets Guinea-pig heart” and was very confused for a moment.

[bots]

the surgeon that did the op said he didnt know if it would last a day, a week a month or a year so i think it's early days yet

[Crimson Dynamo]

hopefully his sty in hospital will be a short one

[arista]

hopefully his sty in hospital will be a short one


Yes he must get back to his Farm and Dog

[Livia]

hopefully his sty in hospital will be a short one

LOL...

[Alf]

I heard he's a bit of a swine but I ham really pleased for him. Be able to get back to doing some porking now.

[Beso]

Will he need some oinkment for it:blush:

[glib]

Shame pigs will be bred
and genetically modified for this

[Kazanne]

Shame pigs will be bred
and genetically modified for this

yep,my thoughts exactly,will we ever leave animals alone to live a full life.

[glib]

yep,my thoughts exactly,will we ever leave animals alone to live a full life.

Penny wants to run free in meadows with her friends
https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Baby-pig.jpg
Sadly she will be kidnapped from her mother at a few weeks old
by ‘scientists’ who will rip her open to steal her heart and place in a
selfish human who has had 50 years walking freely
Humans really are heartless

[Kazanne]

Penny wants to run free in meadows with her friends
https://www.greenqueen.com.hk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Baby-pig.jpg
Sadly she will be kidnapped from her mother at a few weeks old
by ‘scientists’ who will rip her open to steal her heart and place in a
selfish human who has had 50 years walking freely
Humans really are heartless

Yes, we just basically kill anything we feel we can, steal their organs flesh and skin, nothing as dangerous than humans.

[Toy Soldier]

You'd get **** all bacon from Penny.

[glib]

Yes, we just basically kill anything we feel we can, steal their organs flesh and skin, nothing as dangerous than humans.

I have been vegetarian 6 year nearly
No regrets
If I got the chance to live with a pig heart inside me I would decline
I’d rather die
And save the little pig

[Niamh.]

I have been vegetarian 6 year nearly
No regrets
If I got the chance to live with a pig heart inside me I would decline
I’d rather die
And save the little pig

You say that but I wonder if push came to shove would you really?What if your brother or sister or mother or father were going to to die unless they got a Pig heart, would you be telling them to take it or saying they shouldn't because of the Pig?

[Kazanne]

I have been vegetarian 6 year nearly
No regrets
If I got the chance to live with a pig heart inside me I would decline
I’d rather die
And save the little pig

Fair play to you glib,Im also a veggie and dont think I would want a pigs heart either, it doesnt belong to me, and enough animals are killed for us already, i do understand that people have different opinions on it and each to their own, just not for me.

[glib]

You say that but I wonder if push came to shove would you really?What if your brother or sister or mother or father were going to to die unless they got a Pig heart, would you be telling them to take it or saying they shouldn't because of the Pig?

Yes I would thank you darlin if you die you die
And it’s my family’s choice whether they want a pig heart in them not mine

[glib]

Fair play to you glib,Im also a veggie and dont think I would want a pigs heart either, it doesnt belong to me, and enough animals are killed for us already, i do understand that people have different opinions on it and each to their own, just not for me.

Once this gains a bit more publicity I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag

[Niamh.]

Yes I would thank you darlin if you die you die
And it’s my family’s choice whether they want a pig heart in them not mine

Fair enough, it was any of my family I'd be making sure they took it..........sweetheart :p

[Niamh.]

Once this gains a bit more publicity I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion

[Mystic Mock]

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion

I was gonna say the reasoning for this one makes it less black and white versus wearing animal fur.

[glib]

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion
animal testing has now been outlawed in over 41 countries…
Including the EU

https://valevets.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kitten1.jpg

“more than 100 million animals—including mice, rats, frogs, dogs, cats, rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs, monkeys, fish, and birds” peta

“ Around two-fifths (of the uk) say they oppose the testing of completed medicines (41%) and medical ingredients (44%) on animals. ” yougov

I will repeat
Animals should not suffer for humans

[glib]

BBC report on the controversy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59951264

‘ In 1984, doctors in California tried to save a baby girl's life by giving her the heart of a baboon, but she died 21 days later’

‘ unethical, dangerous, and a tremendous waste of resources’

‘ Some campaigners have concerns regarding the unknown long-term effects of genetic modification on the pig's health.’

[Niamh.]

animal testing has now been outlawed in over 41 countries…
Including the EU

https://valevets.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/kitten1.jpg

“more than 100 million animals—including mice, rats, frogs, dogs, cats, rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs, monkeys, fish, and birds” peta

“ Around two-fifths (of the uk) say they oppose the testing of completed medicines (41%) and medical ingredients (44%) on animals. ” yougov

I will repeat
Animals should not suffer for humans

Well first of all you've moved the goal posts here, you're now talking about medical testing of drugs on animals rather than using animal organs as a life saving procedure and secondally you said "I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag" which is blatantly not true, people are never going to think using animals for medical reasons and life saving reasons is on par with using an animal's skin or fur for fashion. And I'm sure a you.gov Poll would have the %'s twice the height for that

[bots]

where does one draw the line, should a guide dog not be used as an aid to a blind person, should the world be banned from keeping pets?

Lots of moral arguments that could be used concerning animals, but there is no way they will happen

[glib]

Well first of all you've moved the goal posts here, you're now talking about medical testing of drugs on animals rather than using animal organs as a life saving procedure and secondally you said "I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag" which is blatantly not true, people are never going to think using animals for medical reasons and life saving reasons is on par with using an animal's skin or fur for fashion. And I'm sure a you.gov Poll would have the %'s twice the height for that

I moved no ‘goal post’, you brought up the medical side and seemed very confident that no one has a problem with the use of animals for medical reasons, which I have disproven’

[glib]

https://dogtime.com/assets/uploads/2011/03/puppy-development.jpg

[glib]

where does one draw the line, should a guide dog not be used as an aid to a blind person, should the world be banned from keeping pets?

Lots of moral arguments that could be used concerning animals, but there is no way they will happen

Well I’d hope your pets and guide dogs aren’t bred and slaughtered for their organs

[Niamh.]

I moved no ‘goal post’, you brought up the medical side and seemed very confident that no one has a problem with the use of animals for medical reasons, which I have disproven’

I said no one has a problem with the use of animals for medical reasons? :suspect: Quote where I said that please. What I said was :


It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion
In response to you saying that using a pigs heart to save a mans life will have the same stigma to killing animals for fashion (see your post below)


Once this gains a bit more publicity I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag

[glib]

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion

Here
You claim there will ‘definitely’ be (no stigma) against using animals for ‘medical reasons’

In other words

No one will have a problem against using animals for medical reasons
Or
Everyone will be fine with using animals for medical purposes 100%

I’m sorry if English isn’t your first language., stigma is not a common word..

https://i.redd.it/tcc6ekfcq5l01.jpg

[bots]

yeah english is not neems native tongue :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Here
You claim there will ‘definitely’ be (no stigma) against using animals for ‘medical reasons’

In other words

No one will have a problem against using animals for medical reasons
Or
Everyone will be fine with using animals for medical purposes 100%

I’m sorry if English isn’t your first language., stigma is not a common word..

https://i.redd.it/tcc6ekfcq5l01.jpg

Less of your cheek tyvm.

No no no sir, I don't want "in other words" or you deciding what I said, I want you to show me with my own words where I said "No one will have a problem with" or "Everyone will be 100% OK with"....... I said no such things. What I said was there will definitely not be THE SAME stigma attached to using animals for medical or life saving purposes as there is to using animals for fashion reasons.

PS Stigma is a pretty common word

[Niamh.]

yeah english is not neems native tongue :laugh:

I'll have to start speaking as Gaeilge in future then :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i'll have to start speaking as gaeilge in future then :laugh:

dont as the forum would run out of letters by june

[Liam-]

I love animals, but if a pigs organ could have saved my mum, I’d have gone and caught one and taken it to the slaughterhouse myself, moral objections be damned

[glib]

I love animals, but if a pigs organ could have saved my mum, I’d have gone and caught one and taken it to the slaughterhouse myself, moral objections be damned

You’re the one that needs a heart, heartless

[Toy Soldier]

Here
You claim there will ‘definitely’ be (no stigma) against using animals for ‘medical reasons’

In other words

No one will have a problem against using animals for medical reasons
Or
Everyone will be fine with using animals for medical purposes 100%

Incorrect, the word stigma implies disapproval from a significant number of people in a group or society. Disapproval from a small group (say, animal rights activists) is not a “stigma”.

There is a stigma to wearing furs these days because a large percentage of people are against it (perhaps the majority). Interestingly, the same doesn’t apply to leather :think:.

So it’s not going to apply to heart transplants.

The banning of animal testing refers to PRODUCTS, by the way. Make up, etc.

We still do medical research on animals.

Sorry to be the one to break the news.

[Niamh.]

Incorrect, the word stigma implies disapproval from a significant number of people in a group or society. Disapproval from a small group (say, animal rights activists) is not a “stigma”.

There is a stigma to wearing furs these days because a large percentage of people are against it (perhaps the majority). Interestingly, the same doesn’t apply to leather :think:.

So it’s not going to apply to heart transplants.

The banning of animal testing refers to PRODUCTS, by the way. Make up, etc.

We still do medical research on animals.

Sorry to be the one to break the news.Is it because leather is made from cows that have already been killed for meat where as animals that are killed and/or bred for their fur are usually traditionally wild animals and are only used for their fur?

**That's a guess I'm not 100% sure where or how they make leather but assume it's from cow hide

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parmy I cant reply as your inbox is full so i am replying here:


No i dont think they do that implant from Donkeys yet so dont bother calling 111

[glib]

Bumping this after this has emerged

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60010155

The man receiving this heart STABBED a 22 year old multiple times leaving him paralysed for life
He died in 2007 as a result of complications from the stabbing

This was all because ‘his wife sat on the mans lap’

No wonder his body hasn’t rejected the heart, hes already a pig…

[joeysteele]

I don't honestly know how I feel about this.

I'm all for advancing in medical and surgical matters.
However I would agree with Kazanne on this.

[bots]

doctors look for most medically suitable candidates, they arent interested in criminal past, and thats how it should be

[Toy Soldier]

Bumping this after this has emerged

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60010155

The man receiving this heart STABBED a 22 year old multiple times leaving him paralysed for life
He died in 2007 as a result of complications from the stabbing

This was all because ‘his wife sat on the mans lap’

No wonder his body hasn’t rejected the heart, hes already a pig…


Told you; we still do medical research on animals.

[glib]

doctors look for most medically suitable candidates, they arent interested in criminal past, and thats how it should be

Ok, we let murderers live healthy lives whilst we mass slaughter pigs for them

[Toy Soldier]

Ok, we let murderers live healthy lives whilst we mass slaughter pigs for them

It seems statistically unlikely that ALL of the genetically modified pig hearts will go to murderers. I mean... it's possible... but unlikely.

[glib]

It seems statistically unlikely that ALL of the genetically modified pig hearts will go to murderers. I mean... it's possible... but unlikely.

Think outside the box mate. Murder isn’t the only crime.