New TFL Khan Mayor Tube poster outlaws STARING!

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Last month Transport for London launched a campaign to reduce harassment
One of its posters warned people that intrusive staring will not be tolerated
GMB hosted a debate on the show asking whether staring should be a crime
The segment prompted a fierce debate on Twitter, with opinions widely split


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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10699089/Row-breaks-online-GMB-debate-asking-staring-public-transport-crime.html

[Swan]

This is a tricky one. I avoid London Underground at all costs, but sometimes i have no other choice but to use it and you often see people just mindlessly staring into space. This needs to be handled carefully imo, and it's going to be hard to differentiate the pervs from the people just daydreaming and wishing they didn't have to suffer the tube for another day.

If in doubt just sink your head into your phone i guess.

[arista]

Yes it was on a Debate on GMBHD itv


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[arista]

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[arista]

https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1512339473350152197

[Alf]

You're being turned into a human robot by the upper classes. Your humanity is being stripped from you by power addicted people who have nothing better to do to justify their huge salaries.

[Cherie]

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wtaf, staring, while licking your lips and touching your leg, how often does that happen on public transport :facepalm:

[Alf]

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[Swan]

wtaf, staring, while licking your lips and touching your leg, how often does that happen on public transport :facepalm:

Yeah she actually made a good point for example, a guy noticing a woman he may have worked with and staring, basically trying to identify someone. That's a natural human reaction. But i agree, heavy breathing, licking your lips, touching your leg. It's bonkers, it's a one in a million. It just simply doesn't happen, utterly ridiculous.

[Alf]

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[Alf]

Well ladies, you can stare at me and lick your lips all you want, you have my permission.

[Beso]

It used to be funny.

https://images.app.goo.gl/QuotFbu5oDqHSmHV9

[Oliver_W]

Idiotic.

Staring isn't "intrusive".

[UserSince2005]

id need a magnifying glass to stare at little khan

[The Slim Reaper]

I'd have thought any initiative attempting to decrease danger for women would have been applauded, especially when over 50% of women in London have said they've been sexually harassed on public transport. Y'know, I'm not sure the concern for the safety of women on here is entirely genuine. :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lois McLatchie, 26, a communications officer for a legal advocacy organisation, criticised the poster, saying it leaves police officers with “an impossible mind-reading task”.

“I commend the TfL campaign for tackling serious violations against women on public transport, including upskirting and exposing, but when it comes to criminalising staring, we must have some pause for thought,” she said.

“As a young female who frequents public transport, I certainly know that unwelcome stares can cause feelings of unease. However, practically, police officers have been given an impossible mind-reading task in being asked to determine whether somebody on the tube is staring innocently or ‘intrusively’.

“Unfortunately, this is part of a growing trend where police officers are being asked to monitor internal thoughts.

“While the policy of banning staring on the train is well-intentioned, criminalising thought is neither practical nor effective in tackling sexual harassment. Such overreach is detrimental to the fundamental freedoms at the core of a democratic society.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/10/staring-sexual-harassment-sadiq-khan-tells-london-commuters/

[Beso]

I'd have thought any initiative attempting to decrease danger for women would have been applauded, especially when over 50% of women in London have said they've been sexually harassed on public transport. Y'know, I'm not sure the concern for the safety of women on here is entirely genuine. :shrug:



You dont need a poster on a wall to tell you when someones face needs smashed in, if you are a proper man travelling on the tube.

[The Slim Reaper]

You dont need a poster on a wall to tell you when someones face needs smashed in if you are a proper man travelling on the tube.

I think offering women the comfort of knowing they they will be supported should these incidents happen is important. They shouldn't be unsure about whether they can report something/seek assistance if feeling vulnerable. versus worrying about over-reacting and putting themselves potentially in harms way. Obviously the prosecution element isn't going to happen, but a large number of the polled complaints were inappropriate body pressing, which obviously happens when big 'ard men like you are already on the train in packed carriages.

[Oliver_W]

I'd have thought any initiative attempting to decrease danger for women would have been applauded, especially when over 50% of women in London have said they've been sexually harassed on public transport. Y'know, I'm not sure the concern for the safety of women on here is entirely genuine. :shrug:

How is anyone endangered by being stared at?

[Beso]

I think offering women the comfort of knowing they they will be supported should these incidents happen is important. They shouldn't be unsure about whether they can report something/seek assistance if feeling vulnerable. versus worrying about over-reacting and putting themselves potentially in harms way. Obviously the prosecution element isn't going to happen, but a large number of the polled complaints were inappropriate body pressing, which obviously happens when big 'ard men like you are already on the train in packed carriages.

I've never been in a packed carriage, I'm snobbish about that.

They need better posters imo, ones that would take the eye off an attractive person sitting opposite.....fun ones, not these serious ones.

Maybe tv screens..or if you want, everyone could continue to stare at there phones, or flap their books around trying to attract attention to their intelligence. Or the common scroungers, asking for money shuffling up the aisle..



What if I'm staring at them, all the train nutters..can they make a complaint?

[bots]

i would like to know how they are going to prove it. At what point does a glance become a stare for example. What happens if you are checking if someone is a terrorist or not. Any time i am on the tube i give people with back packs a good stare. In fact, aren't we encouraged to be vigilant. What is the difference between vigilance and staring

[Crimson Dynamo]

How is anyone endangered by being stared at?

and how on earth do you know what they are thinking and how good their eyesight is or even if they are blind?

meanwhile, young black boys continue to stab each other to death with seemingly gay abandon

:shrug:

[Oliver_W]

i would like to know how they are going to prove it. At what point does a glance become a stare for example. What happens if you are checking if someone is a terrorist or not. Any time i am on the tube i give people with back packs a good stare. In fact, aren't we encouraged to be vigilant. What is the difference between vigilance and staring
I can't remember which "studio" it was, maybe Netflix? But one had a "don't look at each other for more than five seconds" rule, and apparently no-one took it seriously, a d would loudly count down from five whenever they looked at each other :joker:

Adding some level of criminality to catcalling is at least semi understandable - while it's not something which should carry even a misdemeanor penalty, if it ended up on someone's record in some form, it could be used as showing a pattern if any actual accusations are made...

... but to treat the direction and duration that someone points their eyes as being indicative or whatever is just ridiculous.

[Oliver_W]

and how on earth do you know what they are thinking and how good their eyesight is or even if they are blind?

meanwhile, young black boys continue to stab each other to death with seemingly gay abandon

:shrug:

Solving gang culture (poverty and indifferent parents) is a huge task, and might result in kids from disadvantaged backgrounds bettering themselves - the government can't have that!!

[The Slim Reaper]

How is anyone endangered by being stared at?

Sexual harassment isn't necessarily about physical/sexual violence, although it could be an antecedent. It can be about intimidation or power for example, so just creating discomfort, unease, or a feeling of danger can be the goal.

I'm sure if some drunk bloke got on a train late at night and proceeded to spend his journey staring at a loved one, who phoned you up to meet her off the train because she had a bad feeling about this guy, you wouldn't tell say to her "he was only staring at you, chill out", you'd get your arse down to the station quick smart, as most of us would.

[Beso]

Sexual harassment isn't necessarily about physical/sexual violence, although it could be an antecedent. It can be about intimidation or power for example, so just creating discomfort, unease, or a feeling of danger can be the goal.

I'm sure if some drunk bloke got on a train late at night and proceeded to spend his journey staring at a loved one, who phoned you up to meet her off the train because she had a bad feeling about this guy, you wouldn't tell say to her "he was only staring at you, chill out", you'd get your arse down to the station quick smart, as most of us would.



You underestimate the female...she would simply move carriages...


There would be no difference in the big brave man coming to rescue her..the only place he would be meeting her, would be her stop..only thing that would change that is if he wasnt arsed picking her up from the station, "late at night"

[The Slim Reaper]

Solving gang culture (poverty and indifferent parents) is a huge task, and might result in kids from disadvantaged backgrounds bettering themselves - the government can't have that!!

You very often, nearly get there with your posts, but end up stopping yourself from working things out to a conclusion.

Knife crime is indeed governed by socioeconomic factors, not skin colour. Only racists keep saying it is, despite the mountain of evidence saying otherwise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

TFL grandstanding whilst putting all the onus on the police

disgusting woke bolloxcks

[Beso]

You very often, nearly get there with your posts, but end up stopping yourself from working things out to a conclusion.

Knife crime is indeed governed by socioeconomic factors, not skin colour. Only racists keep saying it is, despite the mountain of evidence saying otherwise.



I'm not sure about that worldwide...some people are born with a knife in their hands.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not sure about that worldwide...some people are born with a knife in their hands.

That still relates to their socioeconomic status.

[Oliver_W]

You very often, nearly get there with your posts, but end up stopping yourself from working things out to a conclusion.

Knife crime is indeed governed by socioeconomic factors, not skin colour. Only racists keep saying it is, despite the mountain of evidence saying otherwise.
I didn't mention skin colour, only ... socioeconomic circumstances. Black people can be rich, white people can be poor. I didn't mention race at all.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not sure about that worldwide...some people are born with a knife in their hands.

Whether you're born with a knife or silver spoon in your hands can dictate your entire life. It doesn't have to, but more often than not....

[The Slim Reaper]

I didn't mention skin colour, only ... socioeconomic circumstances. Black people can be rich, white people can be poor. I didn't mention race at all.

I know you didn't. I was supporting your post, but saying you never go far enough to work things out to their natural conclusion.

[Alf]

I'd have thought any initiative attempting to decrease danger for women would have been applauded, especially when over 50% of women in London have said they've been sexually harassed on public transport. Y'know, I'm not sure the concern for the safety of women on here is entirely genuine. :shrug:Nah, we don't like the nanny state. Their job is to do our administration work, that's what we pay them for. They're not there to tell us what we can and can't do and try to surpress our our natural instincts.

It's addiction to power that makes them believe that they should be able to control people.

[Beso]

That still relates to their socioeconomic status.

No it dont..in some countries only the rich and privaliged can afford a knife...or are able to supply others with knives...in other cultures it's a sign of honour to have a massive blade..

It's when these cultures come to other parts of the world, that's when the problems start..

[user104658]

in other cultures it's a sign of honour to have a massive blade..

It's when these cultures come to other parts of the world, that's when the problems start..

... ... ... Australia!

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/This-is-a-knife.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

... ... ... Australia!

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/This-is-a-knife.gif

:joker:

[bots]

TFL grandstanding whilst putting all the onus on the police

disgusting woke bolloxcks

the police can't enforce it, so its meaningless. It's overreach on a massive scale

[Crimson Dynamo]

the police can't enforce it, so its meaningless. It's overreach on a massive scale

"hi a guy is staring at me, im on the Victoria line, wait no im off now and on way to Jubilee"


:facepalm:

[Beso]

... ... ... Australia!

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/This-is-a-knife.gif

India, Pakistan.

[Beso]

Slim, can you see an underprivileged person in this clip?

https://youtu.be/qYf3f1r3iT4

[user104658]

India, Pakistan.

No he's definitely Australian, that's just a well developed tan.

[Beso]

No he's definitely Australian, that's just a well developed tan.


I thought it was pure leather, but it's a tan..never knew that.:shrug:

Cheers.