[LeatherTrumpet]

• Last month Transport for London launched a campaign to reduce harassment
• One of its posters warned people that intrusive staring will not be tolerated
• GMB hosted a debate on the show asking whether staring should be a crime
• The segment prompted a fierce debate on Twitter, with opinions widely split

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...ort-crime.html

[Swan]

This is a tricky one. I avoid London Underground at all costs, but sometimes i have no other choice but to use it and you often see people just mindlessly staring into space. This needs to be handled carefully imo, and it's going to be hard to differentiate the pervs from the people just daydreaming and wishing they didn't have to suffer the tube for another day.

If in doubt just sink your head into your phone i guess.

[arista]

Yes it was on a Debate on GMBHD itv

[arista]

[arista]

[Alf]

You're being turned into a human robot by the upper classes. Your humanity is being stripped from you by power addicted people who have nothing better to do to justify their huge salaries.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

wtaf, staring, while licking your lips and touching your leg, how often does that happen on public transport

[Alf]

Youtube video

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Cherie

wtaf, staring, while licking your lips and touching your leg, how often does that happen on public transport

Yeah she actually made a good point for example, a guy noticing a woman he may have worked with and staring, basically trying to identify someone. That's a natural human reaction. But i agree, heavy breathing, licking your lips, touching your leg. It's bonkers, it's a one in a million. It just simply doesn't happen, utterly ridiculous.

[Alf]

Youtube video

[Alf]

Well ladies, you can stare at me and lick your lips all you want, you have my permission.

[parmnion]

It used to be funny.

https://images.app.goo.gl/QuotFbu5oDqHSmHV9

[Oliver_W]

Idiotic.

Staring isn't "intrusive".

[UserSince2005]

id need a magnifying glass to stare at little khan

[The Slim Reaper]

I'd have thought any initiative attempting to decrease danger for women would have been applauded, especially when over 50% of women in London have said they've been sexually harassed on public transport. Y'know, I'm not sure the concern for the safety of women on here is entirely genuine.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Lois McLatchie, 26, a communications officer for a legal advocacy organisation, criticised the poster, saying it leaves police officers with “an impossible mind-reading task”.

“I commend the TfL campaign for tackling serious violations against women on public transport, including upskirting and exposing, but when it comes to criminalising staring, we must have some pause for thought,” she said.

“As a young female who frequents public transport, I certainly know that unwelcome stares can cause feelings of unease. However, practically, police officers have been given an impossible mind-reading task in being asked to determine whether somebody on the tube is staring innocently or ‘intrusively’.

“Unfortunately, this is part of a growing trend where police officers are being asked to monitor internal thoughts.

“While the policy of banning staring on the train is well-intentioned, criminalising thought is neither practical nor effective in tackling sexual harassment. Such overreach is detrimental to the fundamental freedoms at the core of a democratic society.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...don-commuters/

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'd have thought any initiative attempting to decrease danger for women would have been applauded, especially when over 50% of women in London have said they've been sexually harassed on public transport. Y'know, I'm not sure the concern for the safety of women on here is entirely genuine.

You dont need a poster on a wall to tell you when someones face needs smashed in, if you are a proper man travelling on the tube.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You dont need a poster on a wall to tell you when someones face needs smashed in if you are a proper man travelling on the tube.

I think offering women the comfort of knowing they they will be supported should these incidents happen is important. They shouldn't be unsure about whether they can report something/seek assistance if feeling vulnerable. versus worrying about over-reacting and putting themselves potentially in harms way. Obviously the prosecution element isn't going to happen, but a large number of the polled complaints were inappropriate body pressing, which obviously happens when big 'ard men like you are already on the train in packed carriages.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'd have thought any initiative attempting to decrease danger for women would have been applauded, especially when over 50% of women in London have said they've been sexually harassed on public transport. Y'know, I'm not sure the concern for the safety of women on here is entirely genuine.

How is anyone endangered by being stared at?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think offering women the comfort of knowing they they will be supported should these incidents happen is important. They shouldn't be unsure about whether they can report something/seek assistance if feeling vulnerable. versus worrying about over-reacting and putting themselves potentially in harms way. Obviously the prosecution element isn't going to happen, but a large number of the polled complaints were inappropriate body pressing, which obviously happens when big 'ard men like you are already on the train in packed carriages.

I've never been in a packed carriage, I'm snobbish about that.

They need better posters imo, ones that would take the eye off an attractive person sitting opposite.....fun ones, not these serious ones.

Maybe tv screens..or if you want, everyone could continue to stare at there phones, or flap their books around trying to attract attention to their intelligence. Or the common scroungers, asking for money shuffling up the aisle..



What if I'm staring at them, all the train nutters..can they make a complaint?

[bitontheslide]

i would like to know how they are going to prove it. At what point does a glance become a stare for example. What happens if you are checking if someone is a terrorist or not. Any time i am on the tube i give people with back packs a good stare. In fact, aren't we encouraged to be vigilant. What is the difference between vigilance and staring

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How is anyone endangered by being stared at?

and how on earth do you know what they are thinking and how good their eyesight is or even if they are blind?

meanwhile, young black boys continue to stab each other to death with seemingly gay abandon

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i would like to know how they are going to prove it. At what point does a glance become a stare for example. What happens if you are checking if someone is a terrorist or not. Any time i am on the tube i give people with back packs a good stare. In fact, aren't we encouraged to be vigilant. What is the difference between vigilance and staring

I can't remember which "studio" it was, maybe Netflix? But one had a "don't look at each other for more than five seconds" rule, and apparently no-one took it seriously, a d would loudly count down from five whenever they looked at each other

Adding some level of criminality to catcalling is at least semi understandable - while it's not something which should carry even a misdemeanor penalty, if it ended up on someone's record in some form, it could be used as showing a pattern if any actual accusations are made...

... but to treat the direction and duration that someone points their eyes as being indicative or whatever is just ridiculous.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and how on earth do you know what they are thinking and how good their eyesight is or even if they are blind?

meanwhile, young black boys continue to stab each other to death with seemingly gay abandon

Solving gang culture (poverty and indifferent parents) is a huge task, and might result in kids from disadvantaged backgrounds bettering themselves - the government can't have that!!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How is anyone endangered by being stared at?

Sexual harassment isn't necessarily about physical/sexual violence, although it could be an antecedent. It can be about intimidation or power for example, so just creating discomfort, unease, or a feeling of danger can be the goal.

I'm sure if some drunk bloke got on a train late at night and proceeded to spend his journey staring at a loved one, who phoned you up to meet her off the train because she had a bad feeling about this guy, you wouldn't tell say to her "he was only staring at you, chill out", you'd get your arse down to the station quick smart, as most of us would.