Twists you’d like to see ITV implement.

[kingston]

I think in season 1 and 2 should relatively twistless… That said I had some ideas that are more series wise;

- nominations points. I’d prefer the BBAU Channel 9 era where HM’s have 5 points they can nominate with. The points can be divided in anyway as long they are divided before two people. If you really want someone up you can give them four points and the remaining one to another. Or split the points 2/3 between two people.
- being able to nominate for strategic purposes. We don’t have to introduce free range discussion of nominations but being able to nominate someone because you think their a threat shouldn’t be controversial.
- minimum 3 nominees with a public vote to save.
- more gamified elements. A return of the Big Coin task would be nice.

[LaLaLand]

The return of 24 hour/night shift shopping tasks! Always so much better.

[Kate!]

I like your ideas Kingston.

Have you been on the forum before? Welcome/welcome back. X

[Liam-]

If it does come back, I don’t want to see any nomination twists as all, it needs to be taken back to what it used to be, just a straight anonymous vote and the people with the most nominations, went up for eviction

[Strictly Jake]

I actually was a fan of the secret bedsit/house I'm BB5, BB6 and BB7. I thought they were executed well but after that became a pointless twist as people could guess what was happening. So that won't be able to be done again. The less twists the better imo

And please please do not go for series themes as a twist they never worked! Nice interesting houses yes but not themed!

[Kate!]

If it does come back, I don’t want to see any nomination twists as all, it needs to be taken back to what it used to be, just a straight anonymous vote and the people with the most nominations, went up for eviction

This. Big Brother at its best.

[kingston]

If it does come back, I don’t want to see any nomination twists as all, it needs to be taken back to what it used to be, just a straight anonymous vote and the people with the most nominations, went up for eviction

I haven’t suggested anything too crazy. Think of my suggestion as more of a change rather than a twist. The most important aspect is that nominations should be consistent throughout the series. They only started to become problematic when the process would change week to week.

[kingston]

This. Big Brother at its best.

There’s nothing wrong with change.

[kingston]

I actually was a fan of the secret bedsit/house I'm BB5, BB6 and BB7. I thought they were executed well but after that became a pointless twist as people could guess what was happening. So that won't be able to be done again. The less twists the better imo

And please please do not go for series themes as a twist they never worked! Nice interesting houses yes but not themed!

I agree The Bedsit style task has played it course and has no reason to return. I’d said fake evictions on a whole were far too overplayed.

In general the series needs a lot more integrity and production interference. They can easily create natural drama by doing things like allowing HM’s to pick their own roles in task and if there must be a secret mission have it be chosen at random.

I’d also welcome back themeless seasons… Or at least themes that are too specific. A loose theme like “Evil BB” in BB5 or “Twisted BB” in BB7 we’re fine.

[BBDodge]

More emphasis on the shopping tasks, which should last for days, and less on the nomination process.

Twists should be related to secret missions, secret rooms, etc. and not related to nomination rigging where BB just changes the outcome of the votes they didn't like.

[user104658]

Not so much twists but yes I'd always advocate for vote to save over vote to evict, and for minimum 3 people up for eviction as over the years there were some great housemates lost simply because of being head-to-head with another great housemate.

I think there should be OCCASIONAL votes to evict, and occasional head-to-heads, but those should be the exception and for specific reasons.

What absolutely MUST be avoided is the Ch5 era nonsense where they went through a phase of only deciding whether it was Vote to Evict or Vote to Save after they knew the nominations results, so that production could manipulate the likely result :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

The points idea could be interesting alright. Also agree with whether its VTE or VTS they need to be clear about that before the nominees are put up. I'd like to see way less manipulation by producers in general

[kingston]

The points idea could be interesting alright. Also agree with whether its VTE or VTS they need to be clear about that before the nominees are put up. I'd like to see way less manipulation by producers in general

IMO it’s something simple they can add in to the mix without trying to reinvent the wheel. I’m all for this revival going back to the core values of the BB format but at the same time I want to see some forward progress. I also agree that the show needs to be as transparent with the viewers as possible… If they’re going to change things up the announcement needs to happen in advance.

[BBDodge]

For me it should always be vote to evict until the final.

Friday nights are EVICTION nights. The crowd chant "Get X Out", not "Save Y & Z".

[Beso]

Looking at the state of love island, and the fakeness of towie and made on Chelsea...I wouldn't be holding ones breath for improvement, just yet.

[BBDodge]

Looking at the state of love island, and the fakeness of towie and made on Chelsea...I wouldn't be holding ones breath for improvement, just yet.

But the most successful reality TV show is ITV's I'm A Celebrity. There may be a few surgically enhanced dummies selected but the vast majority are normal-looking people of all ages and types, some world famous and some with a very tenuous claim to fame. It's the mix of types that is a big part of the show's appeal.

[Brekkie]

Agree any first series needs to establish a core format and resist the temptation to throw in twist after twist after twist.

I do agree it should be three rather than two nominees for a revival (and I think that helps resist the temptation for twists too). I'm indifferent on implementing a points system, but I did like the Channel 9 era "Superpower" twist which gives the framework for one player to have some power over the nomination process each week which varies throughout the series, but packaged as a weekly format point rather than random weekly twists to nominations. Prefer vote to evict over vote to save but indifferent really - it is important though for the momentum of the entire series to have big characters in jeopardy and indeed evicted throughout the series. Just getting rid of the "extras" makes the evictions a none event. Viewers need to care who is going.


And on that note keep the number of housemates down too. I don't think ITV2 would run it for much more than 8 weeks (perhaps 9 if they want to go for the classic C4 structure), so for 8 weeks I think 12 HMs is enough with one double eviction along the way leaving 4 in the final week. Any more makes the final a none event - the memorable BB final weeks are BB1-3 where they had just 3 or 4 in the final week. The idea that more finalists makes it more entertaining never actually played out.


As for bigger twists - try and avoid fake evictions and secret bedsits. Keep it simple for now at least. Wouldn't mind us trying out the twin twist.

[Jodie.]

I want them to PROPERLY emphasise the psychological aspect of the show, it’s the essence of Big Brother imo. Bring back a “Bit on the Psych” style show with psychologists, design the house in a way that will play with the HM’s mind (think BB5 - lowered ceiling, raised floor, sharp/angled/protruding walls). I want them to go INSANE

Tbh just reinvent the whole concept of BB5 - make it evil, lower the prize fund with each failed task, but still stick to the show’s roots without the manipulation. And LISTEN I don’t want any criticism of how “BB5 led to the slippery slope of BB becoming manipulated” because YEA that might be true but that wasn’t a problem during BB5 itself they just need to make sure they don’t go down that slippery slope again x YEA THATS WAT I THOUGHT

[Gusto Brunt]

Looking at the state of love island, and the fakeness of towie and made on Chelsea...I wouldn't be holding ones breath for improvement, just yet.

i wood agree

[Denver]

Celebrity version

[Brekkie]

Celebrity version
Because there just aren't enough celebrity shows on TV nowadays. I'd be quite happy for it to get a ten year run on ITV2 without a single run of Celebrity Big Brother. Concentrate on the format, not giving Z-listers and unknown Americans airtime.

[Greg!]

Not really a twist but they should bring back live feed. Would set it apart from the other reality shows and would really work to build hype for the show in the social media age.

Also probs an unpopular opinion but let them discuss nominations! As long as they don't just show conversations about it like they do on BBUS. I think it really worked in terms of natural drama in BB13.

[Greg!]

Keep Vote To Save. It helps to keep big characters in. It only got bad on C5 when they started putting like 6 people up for every single eviction

[Cal.]

Yeah I agree that going back to basics with live feed would actually set the show apart from everything else on TV at the moment.

[_Seth]

No twists! For the love of Mary!

[BBDodge]

Looking at the Wikipedia pages for the early shows:

BB1 - no twists at all

BB2 - only twist was the public voting in an extra housemate from a choice of 3. But the housemates were told on Day 1 that a new housemate would enter after the 1st eviction.

BB3 - the first nomination twist when the viewers put 2 up for eviction and the Housemates chose which one to keep (unwittingly creating the Jade Goody phenomenon). Then later we had the rich/poor divide. We also had the first letters from home with 2 housemates chosen to receive them in return for being put up for eviction.

BB4 - This was where the twists gathered momentum. The Day 1 nomination twist sealed Anouska's fate. We had Cameron jetting off to Africa with Gaetano guesting here. We had the first double eviction which saw Fed & Jon going but they then felt they had to bring Jon back to liven up the show, even though he couldn't win. Bit of a mess.

Since then the gloves were off. We've had secret rooms, fake evictions, face-to-face noms, friends and family noms, returning housemates who could win, multiple evictions, nominations reversed so those with the least noms faced the vote, killer noms, immunity for a single eviction or all the way to the final, housemates' partners being thrown in, couples in the house from the start, fake housemates, moles, etc. etc.

It became a rarity to have a week when the housemates just nominated in secret and those with the most votes faced the public vote for a single eviction with no return.

[GoldHeart]

Looking at the Wikipedia pages for the early shows:

BB1 - no twists at all

BB2 - only twist was the public voting in an extra housemate from a choice of 3. But the housemates were told on Day 1 that a new housemate would enter after the 1st eviction.

BB3 - the first nomination twist when the viewers put 2 up for eviction and the Housemates chose which one to keep (unwittingly creating the Jade Goody phenomenon). Then later we had the rich/poor divide. We also had the first letters from home with 2 housemates chosen to receive them in return for being put up for eviction.

BB4 - This was where the twists gathered momentum. The Day 1 nomination twist sealed Anouska's fate. We had Cameron jetting off to Africa with Gaetano guesting here. We had the first double eviction which saw Fed & Jon going but they then felt they had to bring Jon back to liven up the show, even though he couldn't win. Bit of a mess.

Since then the gloves were off. We've had secret rooms, fake evictions, face-to-face noms, friends and family noms, returning housemates who could win, multiple evictions, nominations reversed so those with the least noms faced the vote, killer noms, immunity for a single eviction or all the way to the final, housemates' partners being
thrown in, couples in the house from the start, fake housemates, moles, etc. etc.

It became a rarity to have a week when the housemates just nominated in secret and those with the most votes faced the public vote for a single eviction with no return.

It's hard to come up with new twists and idea , when pretty much everything has already been done to death. I really don't think they'll be able to do anything fresh and fun . It will just be the same old thing again.

I'm struggling to think of a new twist myself .

[_Seth]

Even if they did come up with new twists, the very idea of having a twist is so overdone. It'd be more of a twist to just let the core format play out.

[GoldHeart]

Even if they did come up with new twists, the very idea of having a twist is so overdone. It'd be more of a twist to just let the core format play out.

That's why I think it will just be the same old tired format again. I really don't see the point in bringing it back tbh.

[_Seth]

That's why I think it will just be the same old tired format again. I really don't see the point in bringing it back tbh.

The old format hasn't been faithfully reproduced so it isn't tired. What's old becomes new, at any rate.

[kingston]

Even if they did come up with new twists, the very idea of having a twist is so overdone. It'd be more of a twist to just let the core format play out.

The word twist is so broad that it can interpreted in a variety of ways. I guess to be more precise I should have said format changes/ideas rather than twists in the thread title. That said I created the thread because I wanted to spark some creative discussions around what the potential new series could look like and I thought twists was the best way to describe that.

As for the rest of your comments twists weren't necessarily a problem so much as the lack of integrity surrounding them.

[thom_bombadil]

The word twist is so broad that it can interpreted in a variety of ways. I guess to be more precise I should have said format changes/ideas rather than twists in the thread title. That said I created the thread because I wanted to spark some creative discussions around what the potential new series could look like and I thought twists was the best way to describe that.

As for the rest of your comments twists weren't necessarily a problem so much as the lack of integrity surrounding them.

I’ve seen you post a lot on here, and I disagree with pretty much everything you say. :shrug:

[Brekkie]

It's new "format points" rather than "twists" they need for the relaunch. And then the key format points play out almost twist free throughout. Any twists are kept simple - for example a double eviction or nominating who you want to win in the final week rather than nominating for eviction. The sort of thing we did see in BB1-4 when all twists were strictly without compromising the core format.


One other thing I'd like restored to ensure credibility to the series and protect the show and the housemates is a return of the formal "three strikes" system. What compromised the show in it's latter years was people being thrown out on a whim at producers discretion, or not being thrown out and being seen to not face the consequences of their action. The nominations and eviction system should be the main way housemates face consequences, but for anything beyond that use the strike system. It was only formally used in BB3 but even then we saw how getting one strike modified behaviour, never mind two.

[arista]

New Rule
if any housemate that refuses to Leave

Again put the Prize money on the Screen
take off £100 every minute
the housemate refuses to leave

Once, they rush into the Diary Room
the Clock Stops


It was done before
and worked

[Strictly Jake]

I think it would be good to completely change what we knew about big brother

But rather we have a reboot, take it back to being an experiment. But a modern day futuristic experiment. Base it off what the term 'Big Brother' is all about.

It should be sinister. Going off how far technology is advancing. Talks of people getting microchipped to work for certain businesses. How much technology phones now have. How far robot technology has come along. We are having hologram concerts. People are having relationships with virtual people. You know the list goes on and on. We aren't sure just how far it will go

However why not make big brother all about that, make it sinister, make it like a real black mirror, play on the dystopian vibe of what the future may hold, build a brand new house that has all this technology. Have people eliminated for failing Big Brothers demands. Don't cast fame hungry people, but people that want to know what a future controlled by technology will look like on the cast

I can imagine loads of people wanting to watch something like that, it would be fascinating

Yes it removes anything that big brother was as a reality show but we have seen it all pretty much haven't we

BB15 at the very start had some potential for this with the power trip vibe and the control room but it was never pulled off how it should have been

Past Big Brother is cheesy and past it's sell by date it needs dragging into the future

[Strictly Jake]

Can you imagine in city centres and stuff where the huge billboards usually are, holograms of the housemates up for the chop appearing pleading with the public for them to save them, or tasks along the lines of squid game without the death element.

I think the prize money should be £1 million due to how intense it would be

There could be even some of these advanced virtual robots on the cast too

[Nicky91]

balloons in the house, with cards in them for immunity

but whoever doesn't get a card wins the immunity instead


this was a good twist in our series this year, such a complete mind****


58 yr old Kitty especially being pissed off, first one with a card in diary room for once being the first ready, and then they do it like this :fan:

[The Slim Reaper]

Get rid of adverts.

[Liam-]

The ultimate twist would be to have no twists whatsoever

[kingston]

The ultimate twist would be to have no twists whatsoever

You’ve clearly been spending to much time with BBUS purists.

[?]

It'd be good if on entrance night, the prize fund was set as £250,000 - but with the potential of raising it to £500,000.

You could still keep the Monday/Tuesday food shopping tasks, but on the weekend, have a more 'intense' challenge and if the housemates fail, money is taken from the prize fund, and if they pass, it's added on.

It'd create more drama and increase the gameplay from the housemates (BBUS style) whilst maintaining an organic element to the 'social experiment' style of the show from the early days. If rules are broken, money is taken from the fund etc etc.

[kingston]

It'd be good if on entrance night, the prize fund was set as £250,000 - but with the potential of raising it to £500,000.

You could still keep the Monday/Tuesday food shopping tasks, but on the weekend, have a more 'intense' challenge and if the housemates fail, money is taken from the prize fund, and if they pass, it's added on.

It'd create more drama and increase the gameplay from the housemates (BBUS style) whilst maintaining an organic element to the 'social experiment' style of the show from the early days. If rules are broken, money is taken from the fund etc etc.

TBH I’m not a fan of taking money from the prize fund for fines. BBAU did it and I don’t feel it really added anything substantial to the series other than to give BB more of a reason to tell off HM’s.

In terms of making the show more competitive I did like the BigCoin twist from BB18 and would have loved to see that twist be given a rework in a future series.

I think for me any twists used in this new series need to start small and be able to be expended on in future series. Similar to the way that BB5/6/7 did.

[Josy]

None.

Needs to go back to the basic format for it to work IMO

[bots]

it's 2023 so the show has to reflect what works for that audience

[arista]

None.

Needs to go back to the basic format for it to work IMO

Also do what they did in
Australia Big Brother which was on E4HD.

[arista]

Even if they did come up with new twists, the very idea of having a twist is so overdone. It'd be more of a twist to just let the core format play out.


But on E4HD Australia Celeb Big Brother
the Twists made is very Exciting

[arista]

Get rid of adverts.

But you can pay extra online
on the ITV Site
to get no ads



So NO Slim
ads are staying
unless you can afford the daily fee,

[joeysteele]

If it does come back, I don’t want to see any nomination twists as all, it needs to be taken back to what it used to be, just a straight anonymous vote and the people with the most nominations, went up for eviction

This for me too.

The twists on nominations really got to ruin things in my opinion.
Just awful.

[Jessica.]

none

[kingston]

None.

Needs to go back to the basic format for it to work IMO

Back to basics doesn’t mean there can’t be twists.

[Babayaro.]

Not really a twist but they should bring back live feed. Would set it apart from the other reality shows and would really work to build hype for the show in the social media age.

Also probs an unpopular opinion but let them discuss nominations! As long as they don't just show conversations about it like they do on BBUS. I think it really worked in terms of natural drama in BB13.

Tbh this would actually be a really good change. It would help bring more of a gameplay element to the show which will engage a lot of new/younger viewers, but at the same is not too big a ‘twist’ to implement and won’t mess with the overall format all that much.

[kingston]

Tbh this would actually be a really good change. It would help bring more of a gameplay element to the show which will engage a lot of new/younger viewers, but at the same is not too big a ‘twist’ to implement and won’t mess with the overall format all that much.

If they’re going to allow discussion of nominations then going with a hybrid of the North American format is the way to go.

For me the most ideal format would be:

HoH - Weekly competition decides HoH. They nominate 2 HM’s for eviction. HoH cannot vote to evict but will have the power to chose a HM who’s eviction vote won’t count. Cannot be won in consecutive weeks by the same person.

Golden Key - Chosen by public vote. Is safe for the week and will chose a third nominee. Will still vote to evict. Also cannot be won by the same person in consecutive weeks.

Battle of the Block: Replaces the traditional Power of Veto. The 3 nominees complete for safety. The winner is removed from the block leaving the remaining two nominees to face eviction.

Eviction - The house votes to evict. The public vote will take the place of the HM votes the HoH chooses to nullify. If the vote results in a deadlock the public vote reins supreme.

Game ends with a final 3. There is an even number of HM’s on the jury and the public will vote as the final jury member.

[Liam-]

You might as well just watch the American one, that’s hardly a hybrid :laugh:

Our version doesn’t need the strategic element at all

[Denver]

You might as well just watch the American one, that’s hardly a hybrid :laugh:

Our version doesn’t need the strategic element at all

We as a country don't even like that stuff, it shows with how the most poper RTV shows in history all and the public making the decisions

[UserSince2005]

Twins who don’t know they have a twin please .

[kingston]

None.

Needs to go back to the basic format for it to work IMO

Anyone going in to this revival thinking ITV plan to produce a carbon copy of the show as it was on Channel 4 are going to be disappointed.

ITV have made it clear in their press release that while they want to bring back a level of authenticity and respect for the fundamental principles of BB they do plan on updating the show for 2023.

The basic pillars such as nominations, evictions, tasks, and public input will all be there but will be refreshed and new twists will be introduced that speak to a modern audiences.

[kingston]

You might as well just watch the American one, that’s hardly a hybrid :laugh:

Our version doesn’t need the strategic element at all

While I’m not suggesting a move to the North American format is necessary I do think BBUK needs something more than just people living in a house and the traditional nominations/eviction format to keep it fresh. I also believe ITV will incorporate some sort of strategic/competitive element in to this refreshed format.

[Denver]

Anyone going in to this revival thinking ITV plan to produce a carbon copy of the show as it was on Channel 4 are going to be disappointed.

ITV have made it clear in their press release that while they want to bring back a level of authenticity and respect for the fundamental principles of BB they do plan on updating the show for 2023.

The basic pillars such as nominations, evictions, tasks, and public input will all be there but will be refreshed and new twists will be introduced that speak to a modern audiences.
You do realise they have already confirmed live Evictions that Viewers will have a say in?

[kingston]

You do realise they have already confirmed live Evictions that Viewers will have a say in?

Live evictions but they did not confirm the public would choose who goes. You just read what was said and saw what you wanted it to say.

The action will all play out under the roof of the iconic Big Brother house, which will be given its own contemporary new look ready for this reimagining of the show. Clever tasks, nail-biting nominations and live evictions will be back, with the public once again playing a crucial role, voting throughout the series and ultimately determining the winner, who will walk away with a life changing cash prize.

The public vote throughout the series playing a crucial role is NOT a confirmation that the public will choose who goes. It’s so vague that it could mean anything.

[Crimson Dynamo]

just keep "twists" to a minimum

try to avoid tabloid takeaway tax credits sensationalism

[UserSince2005]

They should do a black vs White House divide twist. May the best race win.

[Liam-]

Just leave our format alone tbh, with the right housemates there’s literally nothing wrong with it at all

[kingston]

We as a country don't even like that stuff, it shows with how the most poper RTV shows in history all and the public making the decisions

I disagree. Australians used to say the same thing prior to 10 reviving Survivor in 2016. The Circle also had strategic/competitive elements and while Channel 4 decided not to continue with it the show still had a cult following on Netflix. Survivor UK I’m fact had more viewers than BB did on Channel 4. ITV had expected US style success with the format and decided the cost wasn’t worth the ratings the show received.

[kingston]

Just leave our format alone tbh, with the right housemates there’s literally nothing wrong with it at all

ITV think otherwise.

[Liam-]

ITV think otherwise.

Well we don’t know until we get more confirmation do we? But the implication of going back to the good years speaks volumes

[kingston]

Well we don’t know until we get more confirmation do we? But the implication of going back to the good years speaks volumes

We have this…

https://www.itv.com/presscentre/press-releases/big-brother-back

[Liam-]

We have this…

https://www.itv.com/presscentre/press-releases/big-brother-back

I’m aware, at what point does it suggest anything close to the US format?

”This refreshed, contemporary new series of Big Brother will contain all the familiar format points that kept viewers engaged and entertained the first time round, but with a brand new look and some additional twists that speak to today’s audience.“

Seems pretty clear that they’re going to stick to the classic format, they wouldn’t waste all of this money, promise to take it back to basics and then present us with a show with a completely new format, it’s not logical

[UserSince2005]

Just leave our format alone tbh, with the right housemates there’s literally nothing wrong with it at all

This isn’t The Real World. Organic has never worked on big brother. I always find it funny how people think putting a £100k cash prize and weekly evictions isn’t producer manipulation. But having a house divide twist is.

[kingston]

I’m aware, at what point does it suggest anything close to the US format?

”This refreshed, contemporary new series of Big Brother will contain all the familiar format points that kept viewers engaged and entertained the first time round, but with a brand new look and some additional twists that speak to today’s audience.“

Seems pretty clear that they’re going to stick to the classic format, they wouldn’t waste all of this money, promise to take it back to basics and then present us with a show with a completely new format, it’s not logical

I never said it was. They also never said it would be the “classic format”.

[Denver]

I never said it was. They also never said it would be the “classic format”.

Do you know what Familiar Format that kept the viewers engaged and entertained first time means?

[kingston]

Do you know what Familiar Format that kept the viewers engaged and entertained first time means?

Yes and I also know what reimagined and refreshed mean too.

[kingston]

I don’t expect the show to be drastically different but I do expect that ITV mean business when they talk about the show being refreshed and reimagined. The format will be familiar but will also have unique elements that differentiate it from past series. As I’ve said a few times now those going into this series expecting ITV are just going to rehash the past are in for a massive disappointment. What can be taken from the press release is that evictions will be live, the public will choose the winner and vote in some capacity through the series, that the pillars of the show will be there but not necessarily implement in the same way. By no means does any of that mean “classic format” or “back to basics”.

[GoldHeart]

It's not really a twist , but they should air as much as possible and bring back live feed.

And if there's an altercation or someone gets removed/kicked out they should actually show us the full reason & video clip why, instead of rumours flying about and sweeping it under the carpet.

When Lewis F got removed back in the last BB in 2018, we never saw what actually happened.