Eurovision 2023 discussion thread

[Mystic Mock]

The guy from Finland was such a sore loser.
Compare his reaction to Sam’s reaction last year when the win was actually stolen off him.

The win was stolen off of both of them.

[Mystic Mock]

Graham was on stage during uks performance so we don’t know how he actually felt about it and you got to take Grahams comments with a pinch of salt, he just funny, he said Germany wasn’t his type of song but thought they’d do well too and he was right about Armenia being lost in the crowd of songs.

Armenia finished 14th, it beat some of the entries that he was hyping up like Portugal and France.

And tbh I didn't really feel like he was joking as there was no punchline that he normally goes for when he "attacks entries."

[Mystic Mock]

Desperately trying to connect the dots.
Flat earthers wish they were this good

The only difference between the two is that Flat Earthers are wrong about their view.

The Jury tried to say that Loreen was miles out the best last night, that alone should confirm to anyone how dodgy the Jury were being.

[UserSince2005]

The only difference between the two is that Flat Earthers are wrong about their view.

The Jury tried to say that Loreen was miles out the best last night, that alone should confirm to anyone how dodgy the Jury were being.

The 46 jury’s all colluded?

Get real.

Loreens preformance was the best from song to voice to staging.

Finland had a good song and good staging but the guy couldn’t sing.

[Mystic Mock]

what you are implying is that eurovision is a big deal, and it's simply not, so that's where the theory disintegrates :laugh:

Eurovision is one of the most watched Shows in Europe, in the TV industry there's not many things that are bigger, so therefore the theory doesn't disintegrate.

And would you say that Loreen was over 100 points better than every other competitor last night? There is a reason why the Jury are being called into question.

[Mystic Mock]

The 46 jury’s all colluded?

Get real.

Loreens preformance was the best from song to voice to staging.

Finland had a good song and good staging but the guy couldn’t sing.

Finland's song was arguably better and it is called the Eurovision Song Contest not The X Factor.

And you're just talking about Finland (who the public did give the win to by a large margin) but the Jury also tried to say that Loreen's song was miles better than Italy, Israel, and many of the other entries that were high up the leaderboard, do you not find that a little bit suspicious? Or were they all vocally incompetent as well?

I get that you are happy that Loreen won, but it's perfectly reasonable to think that her win was rigged by the Jury after buffering it's score like they did.

[Denver]

The win was stolen off of both of them.

The only difference between the two is that Flat Earthers are wrong about their view.

The Jury tried to say that Loreen was miles out the best last night, that alone should confirm to anyone how dodgy the Jury were being.

Finland wasn't a jury friendly song and everyone knew that and Sweden finished 2nd it the Televote and 1st in the Jury Vote so it wasn't stolen its the way the cookies crumbles.

Also this is the first time in a while that the Jury favourite has won as the public favourite usually overtakes them

[Vanessa]

Loreen deserved to win. Her performances was unbelievable! Very powerful and strong.
I did like Finland, the vote was close.

[UserSince2005]

Her best performance in Sweden, just iconic

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[Barry.]

Finland's song was arguably better and it is called the Eurovision Song Contest not The X Factor.

And you're just talking about Finland (who the public did give the win to by a large margin) but the Jury also tried to say that Loreen's song was miles better than Italy, Israel, and many of the other entries that were high up the leaderboard, do you not find that a little bit suspicious? Or were they all vocally incompetent as well?

I get that you are happy that Loreen won, but it's perfectly reasonable to think that her win was rigged by the Jury after buffering it's score like they did.

She came second, it’s not like she was 12th or anything, the public still loved her song

[Vanessa]

Her best performance in Sweden, just iconic

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Oh wow, love that staging as well.

[UserSince2005]

Loreen is coming for her second crown.
Heard the chorus of her song. Very good. Not europhia, but good enough to win I think.

My post on the 24th February :cool:

[Mystic Mock]

Finland wasn't a jury friendly song and everyone knew that and Sweden finished 2nd it the Televote and 1st in the Jury Vote so it wasn't stolen its the way the cookies crumbles.

Also this is the first time in a while that the Jury favourite has won as the public favourite usually overtakes them

My issue that I took with it was the lead that the Jury gave to Loreen, they deliberately put her so far out in front that the public vote didn't even matter.

I get that in the grand scheme of things it's just a harmless Music Show, but I do like to feel like the competition is actually a competition, which I feel like the Jury took away last night.

I wanted Australia to win on the night, just to clarify if anyone thinks that I'm butthurt over Finland losing.

[Mystic Mock]

She came second, it’s not like she was 12th or anything, the public still loved her song

I get that she was popular tbf, but she was always going to get votes for being a popular performer on and off Eurovision so I'm not too shocked at her vote being really strong.

But when one act is getting 376 points off the public while the other act is getting 243 points off the public, for the Jury to then completely put Loreen out of reach from Finland making out that the song is the next Euphoria is highly odd from the Jury.

I mean the Jury were hardly giving any other entries 12 points, and some of them were performed at a similar level to Sweden's entry on the night imo.

[UserSince2005]

I get that she was popular tbf, but she was always going to get votes for being a popular performer on and off Eurovision so I'm not too shocked at her vote being really strong.

But when one act is getting 376 points off the public while the other act is getting 243 points off the public, for the Jury to then completely put Loreen out of reach from Finland making out that the song is the next Euphoria is highly odd from the Jury.

I mean the Jury were hardly giving any other entries 12 points, and some of them were performed at a similar level to Sweden's entry on the night imo.

Tattoo > Euphoria

[user104658]

Have to say it felt like injustice on the night but having a listen to the Eurovision songs again I have to say, it is objectively the better song.

The part I don't think I agree with is having a previous winner back to compete again. Acts having multiple attempts is one thing, but when they've already been proven to be winners... it seems questionable. What if every country just started having popular winning acts back every year :think:.

[user104658]

Tattoo > Euphoria

The issue I would say is that it's derivative of Euphoria ... it plays like a sequel rather than an entirely unique track. Euphoria was quite a "new" sound (for Eurovision) when it won.

[Mystic Mock]

Tattoo > Euphoria

Well you've just reminded me that the song is called Tattoo.:laugh:

But fair enough, I strongly disagree with you on that, but I get that it's different tastes and all that.

[Mystic Mock]

Have to say it felt like injustice on the night but having a listen to the Eurovision songs again I have to say, it is objectively the better song.

The part I don't think I agree with is having a previous winner back to compete again. Acts having multiple attempts is one thing, but when they've already been proven to be winners... it seems questionable. What if every country just started having popular winning acts back every year :think:.

There's a couple of potential slippery slopes that could happen after this year's Eurovision result imo.

1. Like you've rightly said, countries will now try to send out popular acts from previous years to try and grab a cheap win.

2. To kind of quote one of Barry's posts, I could see the Jury in future years severely abusing their power and start pushing acts that are finishing 12th in the public vote, and pushing them to victory because they've just proven that to get the winner that they want they'll give them over 300 points before it even gets to the public vote.

[Liam-]

People really need to stop seeing conspiracy theories where there aren’t any, your favourite song didn’t win, that doesn’t mean there was rigging, or cheating or favouritism, it just means a different song was more popular overall and let’s be real, the public were trusted entirely in the semi finals and it send absolute guff like Croatia and Moldova through, the jury is very much needed

[Vanessa]

The jury rightly loved Tattoo.
Loreen performance was incredible!

[joeysteele]

There's a couple of potential slippery slopes that could happen after this year's Eurovision result imo.

1. Like you've rightly said, countries will now try to send out popular acts from previous years to try and grab a cheap win.

2. To kind of quote one of Barry's posts, I could see the Jury in future years severely abusing their power and start pushing acts that are finishing 12th in the public vote, and pushing them to victory because they've just proven that to get the winner that they want they'll give them over 300 points before it even gets to the public vote.

Personally I'd now remove the jury vote.
I have my own probable doubts as to it now.

Not saying anything is that dodgy about it but for me anyhow, does there need to be it with such a massive public vote being done .

[UserSince2005]

Public can’t be trusted.
Look at the acts that were at the bottom of the leader board on public vote.
Public vote for joke acts and their neighbours.
The current format works.

[Mystic Mock]

People really need to stop seeing conspiracy theories where there aren’t any, your favourite song didn’t win, that doesn’t mean there was rigging, or cheating or favouritism, it just means a different song was more popular overall and let’s be real, the public were trusted entirely in the semi finals and it send absolute guff like Croatia and Moldova through, the jury is very much needed

So you thought that Sweden's entry deserved such a large lead over every other entry?

Plus Finland wasn't my favourite song, but it's not really a conspiracy theory what the Jury did on the night.

I never get why some people choose to ignore rigging when it does go in their favour personally.

For example you can be happy that Loreen won, but also still see what the Jury did for what it was, they literally tried to say that the song was at a masterpiece level compared to every other entry on the night, and that's because they knew that Finland was gonna win the public vote, so they embellished Sweden's points tally to get Sweden to win.

If the Jury had've just given her a more normal lead, I honestly wouldn't have taken any notice of it (and I doubt many other people would've either) but the lead they gave her for a song that's not even that level of good is just too blatant to not notice.

Especially when we also have to take into account the 50 year anniversary of when Abba won is coming around the corner next year, that is more than a coincidence imo.

But I get that we see it differently, and I suppose it would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything.

[Mystic Mock]

Public can’t be trusted.
Look at the acts that were at the bottom of the leader board on public vote.
Public vote for joke acts and their neighbours.
The current format works.

Tbf I don't agree with the public a lot of the time either.

But rightly or wrongly it should be up to the public who wins imo, I've never liked it when Eurovision interferes with the Jury system.

[Nicky91]

i wasn't on Sweden or Finland's side and a contest in sweden is so dull


my no.1 was Croatia, am super happy about their 13th place, amazing result for their banger :clap1:

am also happy with Poland's result, Blanka slayed big time



as for next year, am looking forward to Luxembourg's comeback, maybe Andorra too idk, and very likely also return of Monaco (with a new broadcaster)


and Faroe Islands want to join us as well apparently, they want to look into making that happen (i'd say yes to make up the numbers for semi's a little more) but also Gibraltar is one who i hope for a debut at some point (they already gave music, albert hammond the legend! :flutter:)


San Marino didn't deserve 0 points :bawling:

Romania well go back to fun entries asap pls and someone who can sing

i expect Azerbaijan to go back to swedish composed entries now

North Macedonia could return too next year i feel, their public already felt eager to vote this year too so

[UKTVForever]

Sam or Rylan to represent the Eurovision 2024

[Zizu]

Sam or Rylan to represent the Eurovision 2024


I won’t be watching then :)


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[Nicky91]

viewer ratings worldwide: 162 Million

https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-2023-reaches-162-million

[UserSince2005]

There’s always one song that I don’t care for pre contest but love post contest. 2023 it’s Cyprus Broken heart, love it

[Crimson Dynamo]

viewer ratings worldwide: 162 Million

https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-2023-reaches-162-million

uk audience 1990m 23 million

2023 9 million

:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

uk audience 1990m 23 million

2023 9 million

:joker:

Most of the UK audience were probably streaming it tbf, or recording it to skip the filler segments.