Macy Gray says 'surgery doesn't make a woman'

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers Morgan slams 'trans activist mob' as Macy Gray says 'surgery doesn't
make a woman'


Macy Gray has been dubbed "transphobic" after she told Piers Morgan on his
TalkTV show: "Just because you go change your parts, doesn’t make you
a woman, sorry." [B]6.50 in vid below

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If there’s one thing worse than the vicious trans activist mob coming for women who defend women, it’s virtue-signalling men like this fuelling the pile-on. Repulsive. 👇 <a href="https://t.co/5iVhAD1avA">https://t.co/5iVhAD1avA</a></p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1544225048277520384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Today feels like a good day to ensure I’ve bought <a href="https://twitter.com/MacyGraysLife?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MacyGraysLife</a>’s entire back catalogue 🔥 <a href="https://t.co/iIrPc9WvAQ">pic.twitter.com/iIrPc9WvAQ</a></p>&mdash; J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) <a href="https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1544245111609085952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Broadcaster India Willoughby wrote: “Sad and desperate. This is why it’s
virtually impossible for anyone trans to work in British media. Easy to
dehumanise a group when they’re not represented in the office.”
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https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/macy-gray-trans-piers-morgan-b2115786.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/piers-morgan-slams-trans-activist-27398873

[Nicky91]

:bawling:

no no she didn't WHYYY WHYYYYY, why couldn't it be once again that vile Ted Cruz who is saying these repulsive crap things, WHYYY does it have to be two of the sweetest ladies on earth :bawling:


call me transphobe then but i myself am not cancelling Macy Gray and Bette Midler


two of my fave singers, especially Macy literally have grown up with her work, like ''sweet sweet baby'' :flutter: such a unique sound this woman has

[Cherie]

who is Ernest Owens when he is at home :skull:

[bots]

who is Ernest Owens when he is at home :skull:

someone with a big smiling face, so what he says must be gospel

[The Slim Reaper]

Whatever your individual opinions on this subject (and everyone is entitled to one), I think it's important to understand that Piers' ratings are really struggling, so if you have genuine fears or questions around trans people, just know that your fears are being monetised to save a struggling career.

I understand the free speech angle, but this is the guy who walked off his own show to deny someone their free speech.

I do find the new career path of constantly minimising a severely at risk minority, extremely ghoulish. It has caused deaths, and will cause many more before you all eventually pretend you always accepted trans people in about 20-30 years time.

[Niamh.]

She just answered Piers questions, she barely said anything really just that being a girl and growing up as a girl into a woman isn't the same as getting surgery to look like a woman, how can anyone argue against that?

[Niamh.]

Whatever your individual opinions on this subject (and everyone is entitled to one), I think it's important to understand that Piers' ratings are really struggling, so if you have genuine fears or questions around trans people, just know that your fears are being monetised to save a struggling career.

I understand the free speech angle, but this is the guy who walked off his own show to deny someone their free speech.

I do find the new career path of constantly minimising a severely at risk minority, extremely ghoulish. It has caused deaths, and will cause many more before you all eventually pretend you always accepted trans people in about 20-30 years time.

Piers definitely had an agenda there but there was actually nothing out there with what she said either

[The Slim Reaper]

Piers definitely had an agenda there but there was actually nothing out there with what she said either

Yeah, that's why I didn't really go into anything beyond offering a comment on the monetisation of wheeling people out on tv to talk trash.

[Niamh.]

Also i quite liked her American Flag design :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Why doesn't Ernest Owens do what they want to do, and let the other Twitter users decide for themselves if they want to not follow Macy Gray anymore.

One thing I can't stand about Twitter is when people try to form a mob trying to dictate to people how they should feel.

But with Macy Gray's initial comment, it just feels unnecessary tbh.

I don't get why people can't just try to be civil with each other.

[Mystic Mock]

She just answered Piers questions, she barely said anything really just that being a girl and growing up as a girl into a woman isn't the same as getting surgery to look like a woman, how can anyone argue against that?

Oh is that all she said?

[The Slim Reaper]

Why doesn't Ernest Owens do what they want to do, and let the other Twitter users decide for themselves if they want to not follow Macy Gray anymore.

One thing I can't stand about Twitter is when people try to form a mob trying to dictate to people how they should feel.

But with Macy Gray's initial comment, it just feels unnecessary tbh.

I don't get why people can't just try to be civil with each other.

Do you not see the difference in power between the 2 sides? One side is just asking for acceptance they exist, the other is a majority who refuse to accept it and use their platforms almost exclusively these days, to deny their existence and minimise them. Being civil towards your oppressors wouldn't ever be suggested in any other context.

[Mystic Mock]

Do you not see the difference in power between the 2 sides? One side is just asking for acceptance they exist, the other is a majority who refuse to accept it and use their platforms almost exclusively these days, to deny their existence and minimise them. Being civil towards your oppressors wouldn't ever be suggested in any other context.

Tbf you make a fair point.

I just hate cancel culture though so seeing someone on Twitter trying to do that pissed me off.

But from what Niamh described, it does seem like people have overreacted to Macy Gray's comment.

[Niamh.]

Do you not see the difference in power between the 2 sides? One side is just asking for acceptance they exist, the other is a majority who refuse to accept it and use their platforms almost exclusively these days, to deny their existence and minimise them. Being civil towards your oppressors wouldn't ever be suggested in any other context.

You clearly see it very differently to people on "the other side" though Slim. No one is denying anyone's right to exist, it's such an odd slogan in this debate. Transwomen/transmen exist who says they don't?

[Mystic Mock]

You clearly see it very differently to people on "the other side" though Slim. No one is denying anyone's right to exist, it's such an odd slogan in this debate. Transwomen/transmen exist who says they don't?

Tbf I know what he means.

There are extremists out there that would like to see Trans have no rights.

[Niamh.]

Tbf I know what he means.

There are extremists out there that would like to see Trans have no rights.

What do you mean by no rights though? What rights don't trans people have already?

[The Slim Reaper]

You clearly see it very differently to people on "the other side" though Slim. No one is denying anyone's right to exist, it's such an odd slogan in this debate. Transwomen/transmen exist who says they don't?

That's exactly what it is though, Niamh. If a person believes themselves to be a woman or a man, goes through years of hormones and treatment, and people turn around and tell them that they aren't what they think they are, then that is absolute denial of existence.

[The Slim Reaper]

Tbf you make a fair point.

I just hate cancel culture though so seeing someone on Twitter trying to do that pissed me off.

But from what Niamh described, it does seem like people have overreacted to Macy Gray's comment.

A guy on twitter calling for cancellation isn't equal to the hour of hour of Galahad tv shows where segments are created specifically to talk crap about an at risk minority.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers tweeted: "UPDATE: Thursday's @piersmorgan with @usainbolt was our highest-rated show for 3 weeks, beating Sky News & GB News.

"In our 28 shows to date, we've beaten @SkyNews 15 times (53%) and @GBNews 21 times (75%). If this is ratings 'failure', I can't wait to see what success looks like!"

[bots]

Piers tweeted: "UPDATE: Thursday's @piersmorgan with @usainbolt was our highest-rated show for 3 weeks, beating Sky News & GB News.

"In our 28 shows to date, we've beaten @SkyNews 15 times (53%) and @GBNews 21 times (75%). If this is ratings 'failure', I can't wait to see what success looks like!"

compared to ratings on network TV they are dire though. His audience reach has shrunk to next to nothing

[Niamh.]

That's exactly what it is though, Niamh. If a person believes themselves to be a woman or a man, goes through years of hormones and treatment, and people turn around and tell them that they aren't what they think they are, then that is absolute denial of existence.

But they are transwomen/men though, how is that denying anyone's existence? I'm happy to call anyone by whatever name they want etc but biology matters too especially for women. You talk about oppressors etc but you haven't acknowledged at all that women have always been oppressed because of our sex not our gender identity, just look at what's happening in the states right now fgs, that's 100% discriminating, controlling and oppressing women because of our Biology. Self ID is threatening to eradicate that right for women and girls to name themselves as such based on our biology, in fact you talk about people's "right to exist" what about our right to exist as a biological class? Why is that not important?

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Macy Gray, as she predicted, is already being abused, hounded, shamed &amp; branded ‘transphobic’ by the usual vile, vicious mob who attack women that defend women’s rights. I stand with you <a href="https://twitter.com/MacyGraysLife?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MacyGraysLife</a> - thanks for your courage and honesty. 👍 <a href="https://t.co/91v17mgIMY">https://t.co/91v17mgIMY</a></p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1544071035330387970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[The Slim Reaper]

You talk about oppressors etc but you haven't acknowledged at all that women have always been oppressed

Think I'll leave it there for the exact same reason I always leave it there.

[Beso]

That's exactly what it is though, Niamh. If a person believes themselves to be a woman or a man, goes through years of hormones and treatment, and people turn around and tell them that they aren't what they think they are, then that is absolute denial of existence.

Mehhh..I've been a **** for years and years.
Or so I thought, everyone denies that I am one.

[Oliver_W]

That's exactly what it is though, Niamh. If a person believes themselves to be a woman or a man, goes through years of hormones and treatment, and people turn around and tell them that they aren't what they think they are, then that is absolute denial of existence.

Surgery and synthetic hormones don't change reality. Actively declining to play along with someone's delusions isn't denying their existence, especially when they literally aren't what they think they are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

surgery and synthetic hormones don't change reality. Actively declining to play along with someone's delusions isn't denying their existence, especially when they literally aren't what they think they are.

excellent point

[ThomasC]

She just answered Piers questions, she barely said anything really just that being a girl and growing up as a girl into a woman isn't the same as getting surgery to look like a woman, how can anyone argue against that?

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!

But they are transwomen/men though, how is that denying anyone's existence? I'm happy to call anyone by whatever name they want etc but biology matters too especially for women. You talk about oppressors etc but you haven't acknowledged at all that women have always been oppressed because of our sex not our gender identity, just look at what's happening in the states right now fgs, that's 100% discriminating, controlling and oppressing women because of our Biology. Self ID is threatening to eradicate that right for women and girls to name themselves as such based on our biology, in fact you talk about people's "right to exist" what about our right to exist as a biological class? Why is that not important?

And transwomen are more oppressed.

I don't know what it is about tibbs obsession with trans. So many threads.

I can't even be bothered to debate it anymore. Some people get it, some don't.

[ThomasC]

Surgery and synthetic hormones don't change reality. Actively declining to play along with someone's delusions isn't denying their existence, especially when they literally aren't what they think they are.


And you are a big part of the problem.

How is it harming you?

You are denying their existence because you won't accept what they want to call themselves. Who actually gives a toss, focus on your own life. You can call yourself a lollypop for all I care as long as you're happy.

You insult a whole community by calling them delusional.

I think it's ****ing disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself

[Niamh.]

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.

I don't know what it is about tibbs obsession with trans. So many threads.

I can't even be bothered to debate it anymore. Some people get it, some don't.

With all due respect Thomas you are neither a woman or a transwoman (as far as I'm aware?) so that's a lot of guess work you have going on there. Regardless that isn't the point I was making, my point is the realities of being a woman and being a transwoman are not that same, the struggles and issues are not the same either.

[ThomasC]

I'm stepping out of this thread because I really can't debate it rationally without getting pissed off.

The world is a cruel place

[ThomasC]

With all due respect Thomas you are neither a woman or a transwoman (as far as I'm aware?) so that's a lot of guess work you have going on there. Regardless that isn't the point I was making, my point is the realities of being a woman and being a transwoman are not that same, the struggles and issues are not the same either.

You're ignorant. My last words on the matter

[Niamh.]

You're ignorant. My last words on the matter

Your last word on the matter is to insult me? Good for you.

[bots]

And you are a big part of the problem.

How is it harming you?

You are denying their existence because you won't accept what they want to call themselves. Who actually gives a toss, focus on your own life. You can call yourself a lollypop for all I care as long as you're happy.

You insult a whole community by calling them delusional.

I think it's ****ing disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself

it's aggressive crap like that, that's the problem in all of this

[arista]

I'm stepping out of this thread because I really can't debate it rationally without getting pissed off.

The world is a cruel place


You need Shaking.


It just one USA Performer
giving her views



It goes out Online USA
Fox Nation 4:30PM
every day.

They love his show.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's aggressive crap like that, that's the problem in all of this

PRECISELY

[Oliver_W]

How is it harming you?
Never said it was :shrug: it does harm women though, when single sex spaces are taken away for transwomen.


You are denying their existence because you won't accept what they want to call themselves.
I'll call them whatever name they want.


You insult a whole community by calling them delusional.
They literally hold a delusion, or at least a strong form of body dysmorphia. Either way they have a mental disorder. I know I said this before but indulging them is akin to provide emetics to someone with an eating disorder, or amputating legs from someone with dissociated limb syndrome.

[Liam-]

Lmao, blatant bigotry is fine, but an emotional response to said bigotry is the problem, this place man, the state it’s been allowed to get into is appalling

[Swan]

I said it before and i'll say it again, it's amazing how it seems it's mostly men who think they better than biological women on this subject.

But dare have any opinion other than the one you 'SHOULD' agree with or you're bigot. The irony is incredible.

[Oliver_W]

Lmao, blatant bigotry is fine, but an emotional response to said bigotry is the problem, this place man, the state it’s been allowed to get into is appalling

Where's the bigotry?

[Jordan.]

Yeah this is generally the opinion transphobes have.... are we supposed to care because some washed up singer from decades ago said it?

[Mystic Mock]

What do you mean by no rights though? What rights don't trans people have already?

Some people don't like the rights that trans people have right now was what I should've clarified in my earlier post.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some people don't like the rights that trans people have right now was what I should've clarified in my earlier post.

mock what do you think a woman is?

[Mystic Mock]

A guy on twitter calling for cancellation isn't equal to the hour of hour of Galahad tv shows where segments are created specifically to talk crap about an at risk minority.

Tbf I haven't seen a lot of these Shows that you're talking about because they are too agenda driven for my liking, and for me I always like to make my own mind up on things.

Piers Morgan is clever with how he presents things though from when I have caught the odd segments of his Shows, he just basically takes controversial elements about a community and then generalises the entire group.

It's largely thanks to him that I never trust political Shows.

[Mystic Mock]

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.

I don't know what it is about tibbs obsession with trans. So many threads.

I can't even be bothered to debate it anymore. Some people get it, some don't.

Tbf both groups are oppressed to some extent.

[Oliver_W]

No it's a lot worse for transwomen.

You think you've got it hard, well, try being a transwomen!!



And transwomen are more oppressed.



How are they more oppressed? Women are literally being asked to stand aside for a subset of male, and allow them into their single-sex spaces and sports, and to make "compromises" with female terminology... This is just the latest version of males stepping over women.

So, by what definition are transwomen more oppressed?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tbf both groups are oppressed to some extent.

so in the UK there are around 33,000,000 women and 200,000 trans women

[Mystic Mock]

mock what do you think a woman is?

Biologically speaking they're born female is my answer.

And personally in Sports I sadly couldn't see a way for biological women and transwomen to fairly play against each other, so I do support the decision that some of the Sports have taken.

However I honestly don't hate the Trans community, why would I? Unless they've done something heinous then I say let them live in peace.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Biologically speaking they're born female is my answer.

And personally in Sports I sadly couldn't see a way for biological women and transwomen to fairly play against each other, so I do support the decision that some of the Sports have taken.

However I honestly don't hate the Trans community, why would I? Unless they've done something heinous then I say let them live in peace.

why would you hate them

[Mystic Mock]

why would you hate them

That's my point.

It's weird to me that some people just hate Trans people, and I'm not talking about the people concerned for biological women's rights, I'm talking about the people that despised BB contestants ffs just because they were Trans.

They're the people that I don't understand.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's my point.

It's weird to me that some people just hate Trans people, and I'm not talking about the people concerned for biological women's rights, I'm talking about the people that despised BB contestants ffs just because they were Trans.

They're the people that I don't understand.

mock

there are people who hate old people
young people, circus acts, football players, people who like eggs etc

this is not a surprise to you?

[bots]

That's my point.

It's weird to me that some people just hate Trans people, and I'm not talking about the people concerned for biological women's rights, I'm talking about the people that despised BB contestants ffs just because they were Trans.

They're the people that I don't understand.

i haven't seen anyone on any media channel hate trans people. I've seen a lot of trans activists behaving inappropriately to woman. Are you sure you have that right mock?

[Mystic Mock]

mock

there are people who hate old people
young people, circus acts, football players, people who like eggs etc

this is not a surprise to you?

But they're weird imo.:laugh:

I'd ridicule someone if they hated me just because I was younger or older than them.:joker:

I don't know, I think it's best to judge people on their behaviour imo.

[Mystic Mock]

i haven't seen anyone on any media channel hate trans people. I've seen a lot of trans activists behaving inappropriately to woman. Are you sure you have that right mock?

Oh I'm thinking more about the general public than the media.

The media has always been split on born women, so the people that are anti-women are probably having an orgasm at the thought of being able to verbally attack biological women and have another community back them up.

The general public however definitely has more of an issue with Trans people, some can't even handle them appearing on TV Shows fgs, like it's gonna be the end of the world or something.

Tbh though with Macy Gray she is from a different generation to me and a lot of us on this Forum, so the people that are expecting her to have modern views on this controversial topic is incredibly unrealistic.

[Swan]

Yeah this is generally the opinion transphobes have.... are we supposed to care because some washed up singer from decades ago said it?

If you shared her opinion she'd be a strong independent black woman, standing up for what she believes in. But because you disagree with her she's nothing but a washed up piece of sh!t in your eyes. People like you are the problem. But you'll never, ever see that so no point even trying to debate it.

Also you saying just because she isn't really famous anymore her opinion doesn't matter? Means nothing? So what, only the opinion of currently famous people matters? Who is one of, if not THE (for better or worse) most famous person in the world right now, Donald Trump? Does his opinion matter to you? (as he's rich and famous).

[UserSince2005]

This bitch is cancelled. I’m deleting her songs from my iPhone. Bitter hag.

[Jordan.]

If you shared her opinion she'd be a strong independent black woman, standing up for what she believes in. But because you disagree with her she's nothing but a washed up piece of sh!t in your eyes. People like you are the problem. But you'll never, ever see that so no point even trying to debate it.

Also you saying just because she isn't really famous anymore her opinion doesn't matter? Means nothing? So what, only the opinion of currently famous people matters? Who is one of, if not THE (for better or worse) most famous person in the world right now, Donald Trump? Does his opinion matter to you? (as he's rich and famous).

Sure I'm the problem. Are you still calling women that reject you romantically ugly and undesirable? I'll be glad if you don't want a debate because I don't really have time to be on the receiving end of your incel rage.

If you'd have just asked the second part instead of going straight on the attack I'd have told you - no that isn't what I'm saying at all, she's perfectly entitled to her opinion. I just don't know what makes it thread worthy when it's a basic opinion shared by many like minded people. What makes her saying it any more notable? Do we need a thread every time someone denies trans women their existence?

[Swan]

Sure I'm the problem. Are you still calling women that reject you romantically ugly and undesirable? I'll be glad if you don't want a debate because I don't really have time to be on the receiving end of your incel rage.

If you'd have just asked the second part instead of going straight on the attack I'd have told you - no that isn't what I'm saying at all, she's perfectly entitled to her opinion. I just don't know what makes it thread worthy when it's a basic opinion shared by many like minded people. What makes her saying it any more notable? Do we need a thread every time someone denies trans women their existence?

Come into one of my twitch streams, Incels hate women, right? Half the people in my chat are women, and my best friend online and speedrun buddy is a woman. Im not an incel, so don't throw insults at me just because you feel your opinion is above mine.

You were discrediting an obviously very talented musician back in her time of fame purely because you disagree with her opinion. Just another white man telling another black woman they're wrong, huh? That's just vicious and tragic. But again, you disagree with me so im an 'incel' now and full of 'rage'.

And i know what you're referring to with your comment about calling a woman ugly and undesirable, have a read of that thread back and you'll see that wasn't the case at all. In fact i said she was the most beautiful woman i'd ever seen. So once again you've failed on that personal attack.

Nobody is denying a trans woman's existence, as per you're only hearing what you want to hear.

[GoldHeart]

Why are people feeding into Piers Morgan's BS , he's probably wetting himself with joy at the drama he's caused now.

He's the one stirring things up as PER usual . This is the same pompous fog horn who left the GMB studio because he was losing a debate .... he ran away in a pathetic infantile mood. He's clearly trying anything controversial now to get more exposure , as his show is dropping in ratings.

[Swan]

Why are people feeding into Piers Morgan's BS , he's probably wetting himself with joy at the drama he's caused now.

He's the one stirring things up as PER usual . This is the same pompous fog horn who left the GMB studio because he was losing a debate , so he ran away in a pathetic infantile mood. He's clearly trying anything controversial now to get ratings, as his show is dropping in ratings.

Trust me, i don't give a toss about Piers Morgan, i know what he's doing here. But Macy Grey's opinion is worth listening to. The fact it was done on his show shouldn't mean anything really.

[Mystic Mock]

Why are people feeding into Piers Morgan's BS , he's probably wetting himself with joy at the drama he's caused now.

He's the one stirring things up as PER usual . This is the same pompous fog horn who left the GMB studio because he was losing a debate .... he ran away in a pathetic infantile mood. He's clearly trying anything controversial now to get more exposure , as his show is dropping in ratings.

Tbh I wish that people ignored him as well.

It's people like him why people are so divided, these people make money by us dehumanizing each other due to their "journalism" setting off the metaphorical bomb.

[Mystic Mock]

Trust me, i don't give a toss about Piers Morgan, i know what he's doing here. But Macy Grey's opinion is worth listening to. The fact it was done on his show shouldn't mean anything really.

I get what you're saying, but I think holding these opinions on a Piers Morgan programme definitely will make people question Macy Gray as a person, rightly or wrongly.

[Oliver_W]

Do we need a thread every time someone denies trans women their existence?

No-one denies that transwomen exist, they're very visible indeed :joker: declining to play along with a misheld belief isn't the same as denying someone's existence.

[Jordan.]

No-one denies that transwomen exist, they're very visible indeed :joker: declining to play along with a misheld belief isn't the same as denying someone's existence.

Okay pick me, just wait until its your sexuality the people you enable decide they dont want to play along with anymore.

[bots]

this has nothing to do with sexuality, it's about gender identification. Two completely different things

[Swan]

this has nothing to do with sexuality, it's about gender identification. Two completely different things

Yeah, kinda sad some people don't even understand what they're actually arguing here.

[Oliver_W]

Okay pick me, just wait until its your sexuality the people you enable decide they dont want to play along with anymore.

What? :joker:

Sexuality is something which literally exists, people are attracted to whoever they're attracted to. There's nothing to "play along" with, as it's not imaginary.
Gender identity is just a belief, it has no material existence.

[Jordan.]

What? :joker:

Sexuality is something which literally exists, people are attracted to whoever they're attracted to. There's nothing to "play along" with, as it's not imaginary.
Gender identity is just a belief, it has no material existence.

Yeah you'll be regurgitating this a lot.

[Oliver_W]

Yeah you'll be regurgitating this a lot.

Because people keep acting like transwomen are women, and that gender identity is comparable to sexuality.

[Jordan.]

Because people keep acting like transwomen are women, and that gender identity is comparable to sexuality.

Do you really think the conservative types care about any of that? keep playing your part in speeding up the process.

[Oliver_W]

Do you really think the conservative types care about any of that? keep playing your part in speeding up the process.

Even "conservative types" seem to play along - has our government done anything you consider anti-trans? If anything they're just as complicit.

[Crimson Dynamo]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Absolutely insane. <a href="https://t.co/fSaiedZzo1">https://t.co/fSaiedZzo1</a></p>&mdash; Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1546929397579583488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Swan]

"do you think men can get pregnant"

"no i don't"

"then you are denying that Transpeople exist"

Ah, makes sense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"do you think men can get pregnant"

"no i don't"

"then you are denying that Transpeople exist"

Ah, makes sense.

Its a standard shut-down argument

[bots]

i think "you deny transpeople exist" is a boilerplate response to any question. I've seen it used on here too and thought ... what?

[Cherie]

why would a transman want to get pregnant, i get that they can get pregnant while they are transitioning but it is the last thing I think any transman would want?

and non binary are just that, non binary, why exclude the word woman because it upsets someone who doesnt want to be called a woman, makes no sense, if they want to be called a person who can get pregnant that is their choice to make not to have it foisted on others

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think "you deny transpeople exist" is a boilerplate response to any question. I've seen it used on here too and thought ... what?

Its all they have when faced with the absurdity of their position

[Nicky91]

if only we could deny Piers Morgan's existance :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

if only we could deny Piers Morgan's existance :laugh:

:joker:

Not bad Nicky

[Crimson Dynamo]

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this ridiculous woman is a teacher??

[Mystic Mock]

if only we could deny Piers Morgan's existance :laugh:

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