[LeatherTrumpet]

Piers Morgan slams 'trans activist mob' as Macy Gray says 'surgery doesn't
make a woman'


Macy Gray has been dubbed "transphobic" after she told Piers Morgan on his
TalkTV show: "Just because you go change your [body] parts, doesn’t make you
a woman, sorry." 6.50 in vid below

Youtube video

Broadcaster India Willoughby wrote: “Sad and desperate. This is why it’s
virtually impossible for anyone trans to work in British media. Easy to
dehumanise a group when they’re not represented in the office.”



https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2115786.html
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/...ivist-27398873

[Nicky91]

no no she didn't WHYYY WHYYYYY, why couldn't it be once again that vile Ted Cruz who is saying these repulsive crap things, WHYYY does it have to be two of the sweetest ladies on earth


call me transphobe then but i myself am not cancelling Macy Gray and Bette Midler


two of my fave singers, especially Macy literally have grown up with her work, like ''sweet sweet baby'' such a unique sound this woman has

[Cherie]

who is Ernest Owens when he is at home

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

who is Ernest Owens when he is at home

someone with a big smiling face, so what he says must be gospel

[The Slim Reaper]

Whatever your individual opinions on this subject (and everyone is entitled to one), I think it's important to understand that Piers' ratings are really struggling, so if you have genuine fears or questions around trans people, just know that your fears are being monetised to save a struggling career.

I understand the free speech angle, but this is the guy who walked off his own show to deny someone their free speech.

I do find the new career path of constantly minimising a severely at risk minority, extremely ghoulish. It has caused deaths, and will cause many more before you all eventually pretend you always accepted trans people in about 20-30 years time.

[Niamh.]

She just answered Piers questions, she barely said anything really just that being a girl and growing up as a girl into a woman isn't the same as getting surgery to look like a woman, how can anyone argue against that?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Whatever your individual opinions on this subject (and everyone is entitled to one), I think it's important to understand that Piers' ratings are really struggling, so if you have genuine fears or questions around trans people, just know that your fears are being monetised to save a struggling career.

I understand the free speech angle, but this is the guy who walked off his own show to deny someone their free speech.

I do find the new career path of constantly minimising a severely at risk minority, extremely ghoulish. It has caused deaths, and will cause many more before you all eventually pretend you always accepted trans people in about 20-30 years time.

Piers definitely had an agenda there but there was actually nothing out there with what she said either

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Piers definitely had an agenda there but there was actually nothing out there with what she said either

Yeah, that's why I didn't really go into anything beyond offering a comment on the monetisation of wheeling people out on tv to talk trash.

[Niamh.]

Also i quite liked her American Flag design

[Mystic Mock]

Why doesn't Ernest Owens do what they want to do, and let the other Twitter users decide for themselves if they want to not follow Macy Gray anymore.

One thing I can't stand about Twitter is when people try to form a mob trying to dictate to people how they should feel.

But with Macy Gray's initial comment, it just feels unnecessary tbh.

I don't get why people can't just try to be civil with each other.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She just answered Piers questions, she barely said anything really just that being a girl and growing up as a girl into a woman isn't the same as getting surgery to look like a woman, how can anyone argue against that?

Oh is that all she said?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Why doesn't Ernest Owens do what they want to do, and let the other Twitter users decide for themselves if they want to not follow Macy Gray anymore.

One thing I can't stand about Twitter is when people try to form a mob trying to dictate to people how they should feel.

But with Macy Gray's initial comment, it just feels unnecessary tbh.

I don't get why people can't just try to be civil with each other.

Do you not see the difference in power between the 2 sides? One side is just asking for acceptance they exist, the other is a majority who refuse to accept it and use their platforms almost exclusively these days, to deny their existence and minimise them. Being civil towards your oppressors wouldn't ever be suggested in any other context.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Do you not see the difference in power between the 2 sides? One side is just asking for acceptance they exist, the other is a majority who refuse to accept it and use their platforms almost exclusively these days, to deny their existence and minimise them. Being civil towards your oppressors wouldn't ever be suggested in any other context.

Tbf you make a fair point.

I just hate cancel culture though so seeing someone on Twitter trying to do that pissed me off.

But from what Niamh described, it does seem like people have overreacted to Macy Gray's comment.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Do you not see the difference in power between the 2 sides? One side is just asking for acceptance they exist, the other is a majority who refuse to accept it and use their platforms almost exclusively these days, to deny their existence and minimise them. Being civil towards your oppressors wouldn't ever be suggested in any other context.

You clearly see it very differently to people on "the other side" though Slim. No one is denying anyone's right to exist, it's such an odd slogan in this debate. Transwomen/transmen exist who says they don't?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You clearly see it very differently to people on "the other side" though Slim. No one is denying anyone's right to exist, it's such an odd slogan in this debate. Transwomen/transmen exist who says they don't?

Tbf I know what he means.

There are extremists out there that would like to see Trans have no rights.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf I know what he means.

There are extremists out there that would like to see Trans have no rights.

What do you mean by no rights though? What rights don't trans people have already?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You clearly see it very differently to people on "the other side" though Slim. No one is denying anyone's right to exist, it's such an odd slogan in this debate. Transwomen/transmen exist who says they don't?

That's exactly what it is though, Niamh. If a person believes themselves to be a woman or a man, goes through years of hormones and treatment, and people turn around and tell them that they aren't what they think they are, then that is absolute denial of existence.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf you make a fair point.

I just hate cancel culture though so seeing someone on Twitter trying to do that pissed me off.

But from what Niamh described, it does seem like people have overreacted to Macy Gray's comment.

A guy on twitter calling for cancellation isn't equal to the hour of hour of Galahad tv shows where segments are created specifically to talk crap about an at risk minority.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Piers tweeted: "UPDATE: Thursday's @piersmorgan with @usainbolt was our highest-rated show for 3 weeks, beating Sky News & GB News.

"In our 28 shows to date, we've beaten @SkyNews 15 times (53%) and @GBNews 21 times (75%). If this is ratings 'failure', I can't wait to see what success looks like!"

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Piers tweeted: "UPDATE: Thursday's @piersmorgan with @usainbolt was our highest-rated show for 3 weeks, beating Sky News & GB News.

"In our 28 shows to date, we've beaten @SkyNews 15 times (53%) and @GBNews 21 times (75%). If this is ratings 'failure', I can't wait to see what success looks like!"

compared to ratings on network TV they are dire though. His audience reach has shrunk to next to nothing

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's exactly what it is though, Niamh. If a person believes themselves to be a woman or a man, goes through years of hormones and treatment, and people turn around and tell them that they aren't what they think they are, then that is absolute denial of existence.

But they are transwomen/men though, how is that denying anyone's existence? I'm happy to call anyone by whatever name they want etc but biology matters too especially for women. You talk about oppressors etc but you haven't acknowledged at all that women have always been oppressed because of our sex not our gender identity, just look at what's happening in the states right now fgs, that's 100% discriminating, controlling and oppressing women because of our Biology. Self ID is threatening to eradicate that right for women and girls to name themselves as such based on our biology, in fact you talk about people's "right to exist" what about our right to exist as a biological class? Why is that not important?

[LeatherTrumpet]

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You talk about oppressors etc but you haven't acknowledged at all that women have always been oppressed

Think I'll leave it there for the exact same reason I always leave it there.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's exactly what it is though, Niamh. If a person believes themselves to be a woman or a man, goes through years of hormones and treatment, and people turn around and tell them that they aren't what they think they are, then that is absolute denial of existence.

Mehhh..I've been a **** for years and years.
Or so I thought, everyone denies that I am one.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's exactly what it is though, Niamh. If a person believes themselves to be a woman or a man, goes through years of hormones and treatment, and people turn around and tell them that they aren't what they think they are, then that is absolute denial of existence.

Surgery and synthetic hormones don't change reality. Actively declining to play along with someone's delusions isn't denying their existence, especially when they literally aren't what they think they are.