Labour Party Conference Liverpool Sun 25th - Weds

[arista]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/23/labour-conference-whats-on-agenda-and-who-to-look-out-for


[The Labour faithful return to Liverpool
between Sunday 25 and Wednesday 28 September
for four days of debating,
speeches and singing anthems.
The three waterfront venues for
the party conference are the
ACC Liverpool arena,
Exhibition Centre Liverpool (ECL)
and the Pullman hotel.
The big issues

The cost of living crisis – and the party’s call
for a reinforced windfall tax to raise money
to freeze energy bills – is likely to
be central to the conference.

Strikes, including by rail workers in
October, are expected to feature heavily.
However, there is likely to be friction
over Keir Starmer’s ban on frontbenchers
joining picket lines,
which cost the Ilford South MP, Sam Tarry,
his shadow transport minister post in July.]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/23/labour-conference-whats-on-agenda-and-who-to-look-out-for



Yes Strikes
a good debate on them is Needed.


https://news.sky.com/story/what-to-expect-from-labours-annual-conference-as-keir-starmers-party-gathers-in-liverpool-12702471

[Gusto Brunt]

I'm voting Labour next time I vote. Not done that for about 16 years.

[joeysteele]

I'd like to see a good old fashioned conference I've heard about like decades ago.
Apparently Labour conferences were far less stage managed then than is the case now.

Obviously I support Labour and I am aware a growing number of voters are likely to vote Labour to get this despicable shower of a government OUT.

How I'd love to see a good thrashing out of policies which will strike a stronger chord with the disillusioned and voters who feel politically homeless.

Labour still has at its heart, the belief of justice, fairness and compassion.
That needs to be hammered home and reflected in policies too.

To read that a thoughtful member in Gusto feels he can maybe vote Labour after near 2 decades would indicate we've started to get some things more right however that vote needs to be earned and respected.
There is no doubt chaos is likely to continue at the next election.
However while I accept that covid and Ukraine have been factors, what this lot haven't done is prepare properly and competently for whatever was to hit.
Hence the chaotic shambles.

Labour needs to get down to looking for some foresight and not to accept hindsight.
Because hindsight comes often after really disastrous outcomes of badly planned policy making.
As is the case with the current government.

So a conference where arguments aren't actually real divisions but just passionate beliefs in an alternative policy.
I hope Starmer finds a more passionate delivery in his speech as to what he'd want Labour to achieve in government.

I've come to think Liz Gross wouldn't want an election until the new boundary changes come in from July 2023.
So likely Autumn next year or Spring 2024.

However with the changes announced yesterday to come in from April next year, it wouldn't now surprise me if she was looking at perhaps May 2023.
So Labour needs to get to be and really be ready.
To win the votes of voters and respect those votes.

So hoping for a good conference however knowing with no doubt the media will be highlighting every single tiny dispute and criticisms rather than anything positive.
Please though not a kind of fully stage managed conference is what I really am hoping for this year.

[arista]

I'm voting Labour next time I vote. Not done that for about 16 years.




Nothing wrong with that

[Oliver_W]

Nothing wrong with that

Of course not. I'm not Labourphobic, some of my best friends vote for Labour!!!!11

[arista]

Parliament Channel
used to have these Conferences Live

They have stopped doing that now

That's wrong

[arista]

Skytext :
[Keir Starmer is to unveil a green growth plan
to counter prime minister Liz Truss' tax cuts,
The Observer reports.]

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[Oliver_W]

I jus hope their "green" plan focuses on nuclear rather than biomass.

[bots]

labour wont get in power until 2024 at the earliest. That means they have 6 years to achieve net zero. It's not realistic, not a chance in hell. The entire population removing their gas boilers and dumping their current cars for electric ones in 6 years?

If you re going to make a pledge, at least make it realistic

[arista]

Today Live on all TV news stations

Around 11:25AM Angela Rayner
their deputy.

[arista]

Starmer Live was live on SkyNewsHD
and GBnewsHD

Lady Singing the National Anthem.



BBCnewsHD stuck on a Repeat of Corbyn
talking to Nick Robinson.

[Gusto Brunt]

For me, Keir Starmer was always a figure of fun. But after the Tories most evil budget, Labour cannot be any worse. It simply cannot be.

[arista]

Rayner Now Live

All media

[Zizu]

Rayner Now Live

All media


Sorry but she is utterly dreadful on so many levels …

I can’t abide to the watch or listen to her inane uttering - another fake millionaire politician trying to be one of us ..

Who’s gonna vote for a party with her at the forefront !?


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[Gusto Brunt]

Nothing wrong with that

:hee:

[Zizu]

I'm voting Labour next time I vote. Not done that for about 16 years.


Even after sitting through that rally call from
Rayner ?


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[arista]

Rayner was only on for just under 30mins.

Who is speaking now?

No longer shown on our parliament Channel.

[arista]

This says it is the Live Feed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC0UdGPUnsI

[Oliver_W]

Still going on about wallpaper and trips to castles isn't the best look. No-one cares, there's been more stuff since then.

(Arista it's being streamed uninterrupted on Labours YouTube channel)

[arista]

Still going on about wallpaper and trips to castles isn't the best look. No-one cares, there's been more stuff since then.

(Arista it's being streamed uninterrupted on Labours YouTube channel)

Yes just posted the Live Link

[Oliver_W]

I liked the lady who stood up to speak just so she could humblebrag about how wonderful she is.

She regaled the audience with tales about how she's a judge, a governor, and is going to be head sheriff...

She majestically drank in the applause... Then she hastily added that she supports the motions being discussed...

Then she disappeared up her own arse :love:

[joeysteele]

Got off to a pretty good start.
So far.

[Gusto Brunt]

Even after sitting through that rally call from
Rayner ?


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'Fraid so. I'm done with the Evil Tories.

[The Slim Reaper]

'Fraid so. I'm done with the Evil Tories.

Have you just realised? Austerity killing people, not quite at the evil level?

[Swan]

Your man Wes Streeting (i know you love him really Slim) is gaining popularity. He was saying that Trusting the Tories to sort out the NHS now is beyond ridiculous, which is very true.

[The Slim Reaper]

Your man Wes Streeting (i know you love him really Slim) is gaining popularity. He was saying that Trusting the Tories to sort out the NHS now is beyond ridiculous, which is very true.

That slimy **** wants to do it using private companies, which means it will only continue to get more expensive rather than being fixed. He's a red tory liar.

[Swan]

That slimy **** wants to do it using private companies, which means it will only continue to get more expensive rather than being fixed. He's a red tory liar.

His pretty much joint fave to be next Labour leader next to Burnham.

I can't ever seen a Labour run Government privatising the NHS. It just wont happen. Wes is the kick up the arse Labour need imo. He really isn't a Tory Slim.

[The Slim Reaper]

His pretty much joint fave to be next Labour leader next to Burnham.

I can't ever seen a Labour run Government privatising the NHS. It just wont happen. Wes is the kick up the arse Labour need imo. He really isn't a Tory Slim.

Doesn't have to be fully privatised, and that's not the point. When private companies are involved, they are involved only for profits. Profits that should be going directly into the NHS.

[Swan]

https://www.wesstreeting.org/about/

He's a good bloke imo. I don't know anything about him wanting to privatise any sectors of the NHS. Has he gone on record saying he would?

[arista]

Got off to a pretty good start.
So far.

Tomorrow

BBC2HD 11:45AM - 1PM
Politics Live Conference 2022

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.wesstreeting.org/about/

He's a good bloke imo. I don't know anything about him wanting to privatise any sectors of the NHS. Has he gone on record saying he would?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/wes-streeting-keirs-not-superman-he-cant-do-it-all-by-himself

[Swan]

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/wes-streeting-keirs-not-superman-he-cant-do-it-all-by-himself

Interesting little read!

I’m going to be the patients’ champion, and I’m not going to have any patience with producer interests, and with the sort of bureaucratic excuses that let patients down sometimes

[bots]

it depends how purest your definitions are. Tony Blair started the privatisation of the NHS a long time ago, they privatised more of it than the tories have. By that I mean they started contracting out more and more services, which really isnt privatisation. If the NHS was truly public it would be manufacturing and supplying its own drugs and stuff, which is clearly ludicrous

[The Slim Reaper]

Interesting little read!

He and Starmer are getting donations from Tories involved in US private healthcare companies that are already established in the NHS.

[The Slim Reaper]

it depends how purest your definitions are. Tony Blair started the privatisation of the NHS a long time ago, they privatised more of it than the tories have. By that I mean they started contracting out more and more services, which really isnt privatisation. If the NHS was truly public it would be manufacturing and supplying its own drugs and stuff, which is clearly ludicrous

It still remained committed to funding and improvement - even though I despise Blair, that has to be recognised.

Tories have collapsed funding and improvement and opened it up as a bank for the private sector.

[joeysteele]

Labour would never privatise the NHS.
They brought into being for goodness sake.

If they ever were to really go down that road then Labour would be and would rightly be thrown out of ALL office.
Government, local or otherwise.

Wes won't privatise the NHS either, I have no doubt on that myself.
Not a single doubt at all.

[The Slim Reaper]

Again, I never said he wanted to privatise the NHS. He wants to use private companies, which means money being wasted on profits rather than service delivery.

[bots]

it's perfectly legitimate for the nhs to concentrate on care, their primary obligation, and contract everything else out

[Oliver_W]

I've had referrals before for private services (I have a weird condition lol) and I get it on the NHS - the way it works is they carry out the service, and send an "invoice" to the NHS.

I'm guessing it would work in a similar way, but more so.

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[Swan]

Again, I never said he wanted to privatise the NHS. He wants to use private companies, which means money being wasted on profits rather than service delivery.

He would be inheriting a mess made by Blair and the Tories. Something has got to give. 20 plus years of deterioration will need, not drastic, but realistic measures in a hope of genuine rebuild.

[The Slim Reaper]

He would be inheriting a mess made by Blair and the Tories. Something has got to give. 20 plus years of deterioration will need, not drastic, but realistic measures in a hope of genuine rebuild.

The NHS wasn't a mess when the Tories took over; waiting times were low, and customer satisfaction was high.

There is not an unlimited budget, so when large private companies filter money out of the NHS, then services are automatically impacted. If you don't like what has happened to the NHS under the Tories, then no one should think labour doing the same things will be better. It's honestly really simple, so have no idea why folks want to turn themselves in knots to pretend it would be different.

You also have a slippery slope, so when NHS specialists see private specialists earning more for less hassle, then of course, they will leave the NHS too, and services are further impacted.

Us healthcare donors aren't giving money to starmer and streeting for a laugh, they expect that to be paid back with interest in profits.

[The Slim Reaper]

Here's the kicker - I make my money by taking money out of public sector healthcare. Not the NHS, but from the social care budgets,

The covid pandemic was the greatest stimulus package I've ever received, and because of that, I paid lots of people a lot more money than they should have been getting, which would have been invested in their local communities through shopping etc. When US private sector does that, it goes straight to American shareholders, and offers zero benefit to the UK at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great to see Angela sing God save the King

[Swan]

The NHS wasn't a mess when the Tories took over; waiting times were low, and customer satisfaction was high.

There is not an unlimited budget, so when large private companies filter money out of the NHS, then services are automatically impacted. If you don't like what has happened to the NHS under the Tories, then no one should think labour doing the same things will be better. It's honestly really simple, so have no idea why folks want to turn themselves in knots to pretend it would be different.

You also have a slippery slope, so when NHS specialists see private specialists earning more for less hassle, then of course, they will leave the NHS too, and services are further impacted.

Us healthcare donors aren't giving money to starmer and streeting for a laugh, they expect that to be paid back with interest in profits.

I understand what you're saying, but something needs to be done, and if regulated and controlled, i think it can work. I feel it can help the NHS run more efficiently, again, if rules and regulations are put in place.

Nothing can beat the Tories and Truss' scumminess, it's clear keeping the wealthy happy and adding to their wealth is the main goal.

Bit off putting Labour singing God save the King. But they do need to appeal to the on the fence voter, and it's clear the support for the royals is as strong as ever here.

[Oliver_W]

Bit off putting Labour singing God save the King.

What's wrong with that?

[Swan]

What's wrong with that?

What's right with it?

[Oliver_W]

What's right with it?

It's the national anthem? :shrug:

If there is a god, if want him to save people :laugh:

[Swan]

It's the national anthem? :shrug:

If there is a god, if want him to save people :laugh:

It's just weird, and transparent, that's all.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Good Debate on Live BBC2HD

Hydrogen Zone stall (Too Expensive to use)

behind the BBC desk as the debate.

Rachel Reeves now Live all media.


Starmer Seated
Clapping her

To many Claps again

[arista]

Take the Clapping out,
She could get more words in.


LBC not going live to her.
The one station that choose, to ignore her.


Radio 5 and Times Radio
went with Rachel Live.

[Zizu]

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Why is Gary Neville getting involved in politics ??


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[arista]

Why is Gary Neville getting involved in politics ??




He has been for a few years now.
Backing Labour.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why is Gary Neville getting involved in politics ??


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The multi-millionaire was also reportedly written to by HMRC 12 years ago
over alleged tax avoidance when he was a footballer, where he earned an
estimated £60,000-a-week.

Twitter users have asked him to explain whether he legally avoided tax on
some of his earnings. One said: 'What a hypocrite @GNev2 is! He avoided
tax himself when he was earning millions. Now he thinks the rich should pay
more tax'. Another wrote: 'Write a big cheque out then. Send it to HMRC. Get
it off your chest. If you don’t, you’re a hypocrite'.

Another said: 'Gary Neville - the world-renowned economist - condemns tax
cuts. Can he - hand on heart - say he NEVER used a single tax avoidance
scheme to protect his millions? Says the millionaire ex footballer that without
doubt used tax avoidance schemes'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11248981/Ex-England-star-Neville-conference-Labour-sets-investment-plan.html

[Oliver_W]

Why is Gary Neville getting involved in politics ??


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Why did Marcus Rashford get involved? :shrug:

If prominent personages want to use their platform to spread the word, that's up to them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Why did Marcus Rashford get involved? :shrug:

If prominent personages want to use their platform to spread the word, that's up to them.

Exactly. If he came out and said vote tory, these complaints would never have existed.

[bots]

and they will get deservedly roasted if appropriate

[The Slim Reaper]

It's almost like he can be a dick, and still be right on this. Who knew?

[Zizu]

Why did Marcus Rashford get involved? :shrug:

If prominent personages want to use their platform to spread the word, that's up to them.


Rashford was trying to help out the kidz.

Gary Neville has been making political statements for months on his personal Twitter


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[Oliver_W]

Rashford was trying to help out the kidz.

Gary Neville has been making political statements for months on his personal Twitter


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A Labour government would be more helpful to the kids than a Tory one.

[arista]

Leader Starmer goes
Live with his Speech today
All Media around 2PM

[arista]

[Simply Red tweet

This awful, AWFUL Conservative tenure has been
disastrous for the UK.
This cannot stand.
If they won’t resign and call a General Election,
then an all out General Strike seems
the only option. Brexit Britain is on
its knees. #PoundSterling]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SimplyRedHQ/status/1574325683161022464

Look Mick, Stick to Good Music
not Politics.


Even Starmer does not want
a General Stike.

[arista]

Labour Needs Scotland to Win a General Election
or it will be a Hung Parliament in 2024.

Also, if they take power with the SNP

Their Debt when taking over,
would be over 100 Billion.



Ref:Politics Live BBC2HD

[joeysteele]

Labour Needs Scotland to Win a General Election
or it will be a Hung Parliament in 2024.

Also, if they take power with the SNP

Their Debt when taking over,
would be over 100 Billion.



Ref:Politics Live BBC2HD

They really don't.

Would be good to win some back but that's not the case at all.

In 1945, 1966, 1997, 2001 and just about 2005.
Labour would still have won WITHOUT Scottish seats.

So HALF of the elections Labour won would have been won without the Scottish seats.

I'm not bothered though.
The SNP could never justify allowing the Cons to govern from Westminster.
They would be hammered by Scots voters if they risked a Con government again being in place.

The SNP wouldn't need to be in coalition with Labour or do any deals.

Just by abstaining on votes, would leave Labour governing comfortably .
However I think the SNP would be more likely to support a lot of what Labour would do.
I've no worries on the SNP.

Plus if it was okay for the bigoted DUP to do a deal and keep the Cons in power.
It's hypocrisy to moan at any possibility of SNP support for a Labour led government

[arista]

YouGov

Labour are at 45%
Conservative at 28%
Lib Dem 9%
Green 7%
SNP 4%
Reform UK 3%



Of course a few years to go, yet.

[bots]

if enough people are pissed off, labour will win by a landslide. Bear in mind, this is just the beginning of the Truss era

[Oliver_W]

I wonder if SNP would stand down in SNP-Labour marginal seats in order to help oust the Tories.

[joeysteele]

YouGov

Labour are at 45%
Conservative at 28%
Lib Dem 9%
Green 7%
SNP 4%
Reform UK 3%



Of course a few years to go, yet.



Not for one second do I believe the Cons are on 28%
They've never scored less than 30% in a general election.
Even in 1997 they were just over 30%

It's nice to see a poll like that one for me however.
However I doubt the gap is 17%

The main thing is, for the Cons to now have any chance of governing they will need to be at least 4% ahead of Labour.
That is looking a hard call now.

[joeysteele]

I wonder if SNP would stand down in SNP-Labour marginal seats in order to help oust the Tories.

No, and they shouldn't either.
Labour only has one seat in Scotland anyhow.

[bots]

We don't know what the uk will look like in 2 years time. We may be at war, we may already have been nuked. Only a mad man would predict an election result this far out from the vote :laugh:

[Cherie]

I wonder if SNP would stand down in SNP-Labour marginal seats in order to help oust the Tories.

Not a hope

[bots]

don't the SNP want the next GE to be an effective independence ref if the dont get one from the UK government? They will be wanting to win every single seat

[joeysteele]

don't the SNP want the next GE to be an effective independence ref if the dont get one from the UK government? They will be wanting to win every single seat

They're predicted to take all but a couple of seats in Scotland anyway.

Plus after July 2023 the boundary changes are taking some seats away from Scotland and Wales.
Adding more to England.

Which are projected to hand 10 more seats to the Cons and take 4 off Labour in an election after July 2023.

[arista]

Starmer now Live all media

[Oliver_W]

Plus after July 2023 the boundary changes are taking some seats away from Scotland and Wales.

Adding more to England.



Which are projected to hand 10 more seats to the Cons and take 4 off Labour in an election after July 2023.

Funny how that works out ain't it!

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[arista]

Million new jobs

of the First 100 days of Labour

Bold Claim.

[bots]

we have a jobs excess at the moment so creating a million new ones makes no sense at all

[arista]

He wants to Nationalise the Railways
as each company contract runs out.

[joeysteele]

Good speech.
Still lacks the inspirational passion it could but that's his style I guess.

Overall fine by me nothing to create controversy which will irritate the Cons intensely.

[bots]

all he has to to is stand there muttering nothing in particular and the rest of his party destroys him. Last year it was tory scum, this year it's racist slurs, previously it was antisemitism.... it really doesn't get any worse than that

[joeysteele]

we have a jobs excess at the moment so creating a million new ones makes no sense at all

There are part time workers being threatened with Universal credit cuts unless they step up to finding better paid and/ or full time work.
Often they can't do so, as like with a supermarket near me.
Where their contracts of 33 hours guaranteed weekly were reduced to 16 guaranteed.
However, they are expected to be on call at short notice to do more hours if staff are off sick or otter reasons.

I'd love to see undisputable genuine figures of how many people are actually called on the payroll who have only part time hours or even zero hours contracts.

So actually possibly creating more FULL TIME jobs in a whole new venture may prove to be far more a sensible approach for the future.
I'd think do anyhow.

[joeysteele]

One racist slur doesn't reflect on a Party.
She's lost the whip, that's right, she should.
It's dealt with rapidly.

There have been many complaints as to racism in the Con party.

Fully how Cons sidestep those.

Whatever happened to this open independent inquiry into racism in the Con part that Javid made all the leadership candidates put their hands up to commit to.

This MP was wrong absolutely.
How the party acted is the more important and they acted rapidly too.
I'm happy and proud with that .

[joeysteele]

all he has to to is stand there muttering nothing in particular and the rest of his party destroys him. Last year it was tory scum, this year it's racist slurs, previously it was antisemitism.... it really doesn't get any worse than that

It would be unprintable what I've called Johnson and some of the Cabinet.
Scum would be a more moderate word.

Scum means like dregs that rise to the top.
Pretty appropriate that seems in my view, looking at Johnson rising to the top of the Cons when he did and was.

[arista]

Labour will Jail
water companies releasing Sewer
into rivers and the sea.

[Liam-]

Labour will Jail
water companies releasing Sewer
into rivers and the sea.

Sounds like a good plan

[bots]

how are they going to jail them ..... it will never happen. They inherited a load of **** and were told they didnt have to fix it

[joeysteele]

Labour will Jail
water companies releasing Sewer
into rivers and the sea.

At the very least it should be made a strongly serious criminal act to release sewage into rivers and the sea.
Good move.

[arista]

Labour Party to set up the GB Energy Group.
[a new, publicly owned company that will generate
renewable sources "to cut bills, create jobs and
deliver energy independence".]

Like France's EDF

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-pledges-to-create-publicly-owned-energy-company-to-cut-bills-and-create-jobs-12706291

[joeysteele]

Labour Party to set up the GB Energy Group.
[a new, publicly owned company that will generate
renewable sources "to cut bills, create jobs and
deliver energy independence".]

Like France's EDF

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-pledges-to-create-publicly-owned-energy-company-to-cut-bills-and-create-jobs-12706291

I'd be fully behind this certainly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour will Jail
water companies releasing Sewer
into rivers and the sea.

good

[The Slim Reaper]

Starmers best showing since taking over, with lots of progressive agenda items. Unfortunately it's starmer, so he could go back on everything tomorrow, but we live in hope.

[arista]

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[arista]

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Well Starmer in that case
Do Not Forgive New Labours mess
As well.

[arista]

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[arista]

Starmer went first on GMBHD itv
news Live at 7:22AM

He is going on every TV news and Radio

[Oliver_W]

Jesus, all the tabloids seem to like what they're saying!

[arista]

Jesus, all the tabloids seem to like what they're saying!


Its a Blip


And the Conservatives have to sort they Money Mess up
if they do that before Saturday (their conference),
it would be best
as Labour can Capitalise on their poo

[arista]

Starmer Live on Times Radio
now

[arista]

6:25PM ITV1HD

Also BBC1 6:54PM

Labour Party Political Broadcast.
Starmer Alone talking


Backing piano
do not need it


Sickly Orchestra
do not need it