Godmother to Prince William resigns, after asking Black Lady what country she's from

[arista]

BBC text:
[Mirror turns its focus instead to the race row
which has embroiled Buckingham Palace.
The paper says lawyer Nazir Afzal alleged he was also
asked about his heritage
by Lady Susan Hussey - the aide who questioned
charity chief executive Ngozi Fulani at a
function at the palace.]

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[Cherie]

https://youtu.be/S_pVUKwfix4

People on this thread (myself-included) would’ve probably been better-served starting with this video first. She says a lot.

The other two women aren’t in the clip?

[arista]

David Mellor former MP
knows Hussey spoke on GBnewsHD

So what Mellor
you were not there,
as that Horrid 83 year old
bullied that nice Black Lady.

[bots]

but maybe the nice black lady came over from france in a small boat Arista

[Crimson Dynamo]

spitting facts

cqGeJ3uPb_c

[Redway]

spitting facts

cqGeJ3uPb_c

“In my opinion” and “facts” don’t always particularly correspond. There’s a difference between thinking something and actually having reasonable grounds to know it as a matter of true fact.

[arista]

but maybe the nice black lady came over from France in a small boat Arista


No

[arista]

spitting facts

cqGeJ3uPb_c


That Bitch is back in the UK


She was better off in USA

[Oliver_W]

Glad you noticed. :laugh:

Its petty but a level of disrespect for this clown that I'm comfortable with. You have to admit Fir- Rarge - doesn't sound very British. Farridge does.

I note from your earlier post regarding Ngozi's African dress that you understand this concept of 'British-ness'

What does Farage's level of apparent Britishness have to do with anything?

[Cherie]

I am bemused that a woman who founded a domestic abuse charity is intimidated by an 83 year old, its very poor in my view that she was not able to tell Susan to her face that she was offended, felt violated and abused, its very passive agressive to discuss it with the world and the wife afterwards...and fair point Katie made about William as well

[rusticgal]

I am bemused that a woman who founded a domestic abuse charity is intimidated by an 83 year old, its very poor in my view that she was not able to tell Susan to her face that she was offended, felt violated and abused, its very passive agressive to discuss it with the world and the wife afterwards...and fair point Katie made about William as well


:clap1:....and feeling violated and abused is excessive dont you think?

[Beso]

Nigel Farage, the working mans hyacinth bucket.

[Liam-]

Imagine the fuss the people who are already attacking this woman would have made, if she had made a scene at the moment in the palace, let’s not pretend it would have gone any better for her

[jet]

:clap1:....and feeling violated and abused is excessive dont you think?

It's a mystery how such a delicate little flower can handle running a charity for abused women.

[Beso]

Imagine the fuss the people who are already attacking this woman would have made, if she had made a scene at the moment in the palace, let’s not pretend it would have gone any better for her

To be fair Liam, she kind of did by saying "listen lady"

If she did say that, that is.:shrug:

[Liam-]

:clap1:....and feeling violated and abused is excessive dont you think?

Have you ever experienced racism or bigotry? Cause let me tell you, that’s actually how it feels

[Crimson Dynamo]

have you ever experienced racism or bigotry? Cause let me tell you, that’s actually how it feels

small talk isnt racism

[jet]

Imagine the fuss the people who are already attacking this woman would have made, if she had made a scene at the moment in the palace, let’s not pretend it would have gone any better for her

Why would she need to make a scene? Why would she tweet about it with a transcript of how she remembered the conversation and put herself about on news channels to relate how she was 'abused and violated' by an 83 yr old woman?
It would have been a mature thing to do to speak directly to the old lady about how her words were making her feel, and report it to Camilla (who she was seen talking and smiling with after her 'horrid' encounter.)

But no, this very capable woman who heads a charity for abused women grasped the opportunity to make a huge media fuss because she is a known anti - monarchist who has tweeted before about their (non - existent) 'racism' and domestic violence against poor Meghan. Simple as.

[rusticgal]

Have you ever experienced racism or bigotry? Cause let me tell you, that’s actually how it feels


I’m sure the 83 year old woman did not raise her voice or show any aggression…so to use the words violated and abused is well over the top. Considering this woman represents a charity for abused women…her choice of words for what she experienced were imo inappropriate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why would she need to make a scene? Why would she tweet about it with a transcript of how she remembered the conversation and put herself about on news channels to relate how she was 'abused and violated' by an 83 yr old woman?
It would have been a mature thing to do to speak directly to the old lady about how her words were making her feel, and report it to Camilla (who she was seen talking and smiling with after her 'horrid' encounter.)

But no, this very capable woman who heads a charity for abused women grasped the opportunity to make a huge media fuss because she is a known anti - monarchist who has tweeted before about their (non - existent) 'racism' and domestic violence against poor Meghan. Simple as.

yep

total agenda

sickening

[jet]

Also, I don't believe Lady Susan was being racist. She has mixed with people from all walks of life all over the world while accompanying the Queen and has never put a foot wrong.
This immediate naming, shaming and destroying the careers and lives of anyone who unintentionally offends is doing so much damage to not only that particular person, but to race relations as a whole. It creates a 'them vs us' situation. How can that help towards understanding and unity?

[Liam-]

It always amuses me when people who will never face racism or bigotry feel confident enough to tell people who do and will face it, what the correct or appropriate way to deal with said racism or bigotry, god, minorities aren’t even allowed to be abused unless they follow white peoples rules on how to

[Crimson Dynamo]

it always amuses me when people who will never face racism or bigotry feel confident enough to tell people who do and will face it, what the correct or appropriate way to deal with said racism or bigotry, god, minorities aren’t even allowed to be abused unless they follow white peoples rules on how to

its not racism

adjust your set

id suggest its more you dislike who the woman is and her position and the royal family tbh

[GiRTh]

It always amuses me when people who will never face racism or bigotry feel confident enough to tell people who do and will face it, what the correct or appropriate way to deal with said racism or bigotry, god, minorities aren’t even allowed to be abused unless they follow white peoples rules on how to:clap2:

This thread is depressing. :sad:

[GiRTh]

its not racism

adjust your set

id suggest its more you dislike who the woman is and her position and the royal family tbhTell us why its not racism?

[Oliver_W]

Liam pretending to be an oppressed minority :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

:clap2:

This thread is depressing. :sad:

My advice would be to leave it if it’s depressing

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap2:

This thread is depressing. :sad:

Girth you have literally tried that tactic twice now

play a different record or just leave the dance?

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[jet]

It always amuses me when people who will never face racism or bigotry feel confident enough to tell people who do and will face it, what the correct or appropriate way to deal with said racism or bigotry, god, minorities aren’t even allowed to be abused unless they follow white peoples rules on how to

I have read posts and watched members of minority groups disagreeing with how she handled the situation - that it was way OTT and publicity driven!
A mature, sensible way of doing things has no bearing on the colour of your skin. It's universal.

[GiRTh]

I find it fascinating but depressing, The same garbage as always

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have read posts and watched members of minority groups disagreeing with how she handled the situation - that it was way OTT and publicity driven!
A mature, sensible way of doing things has no bearing on the colour of your skin. It's universal.

Iain Dale had a phone in on weds and for an hour people of colour called up and said IT WASNT RACIST

EVERY SINGLE ONE

i dont know how clearer it could be?

(anyone can listen to the show if they want to hear it via the LBC website)

[thesheriff443]

Liam pretending to be an oppressed minority :laugh:

Liam is like an unreliable cuckoo clock, you don’t hear nothing from him then out of nowhere you get, cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo

[Liam-]

:clap2:

This thread is depressing. :sad:

Most of the people in this thread thrive off of being contrarian for the sake of ‘upsetting libs’ I very much doubt they believe half the things they say irl, this forum has been allowed to drown in trolling, which is fine in itself, it’s just nauseating that it’s been allowed at the expense of minorities

[Liam-]

I wonder if the personal comments about me will be deleted as quick as the comments about the people doing the majority of the trolling

[Crimson Dynamo]

I find it fascinating but depressing, The same garbage as always
and the same patronising bollocks from you

have a listen to yourself

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[Oliver_W]

I wonder if the personal comments about me will be deleted as quick as the comments about the people doing the majority of the trolling

You invited it by pretending to know what racism feels like :shrug:

[GiRTh]

I wonder if the personal comments about me will be deleted as quick as the comments about the people doing the majority of the trollingIndeed. There seem to be some rule breaks that go unpunished. :shrug:

[GiRTh]

and the same patronising bollocks from you

have a listen to yourself

https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/85310A64-77EF-4B66-A6E2-98B53C30E21B.gifIs my stance patronising? I dbnt mean to be but some of these comments are absurd.

[Liam-]

Indeed. There seem to be some rule breaks that go unpunished. :shrug:

Speaks volumes really doesn’t it, there’s a reason so many of the people in minorities have abandoned the forum, it’s become a toxic cesspool to be involved in

[Cherie]

It always amuses me when people who will never face racism or bigotry feel confident enough to tell people who do and will face it, what the correct or appropriate way to deal with said racism or bigotry, god, minorities aren’t even allowed to be abused unless they follow white peoples rules on how to

Yeah women have never been oppressed

[jet]

Iain Dale had a phone in on weds and for an hour people of colour called up and said IT WASNT RACIST

EVERY SINGLE ONE

i dont know how clearer it could be?

(anyone can listen to the show if they want to hear it via the LBC website)

Yep!

[thesheriff443]

I wonder if the personal comments about me will be deleted as quick as the comments about the people doing the majority of the trolling

We put up with your nonsense
You feel the need to jump on any minority boat carrying on like you actually care
You have got absolutely nothing in common with the people in question
You must feel it makes you a better member of society but it doesn’t
Your as rack as fcuk

[GiRTh]

Speaks volumes really doesn’t it, there’s a reason so many of the people in minorities have abandoned the forum, it’s become a toxic cesspool to be involved in
I cannot disagree

[Oliver_W]

We put up with your nonsense
You feel the need to jump on any minority boat carrying on like you actually care
You have got absolutely nothing in common with the people in question
You must feel it makes you a better member of society but it doesn’t
Your as rack as fcuk
Nah unnecessary.

Plenty of people have White Savior Syndrome. Doesn't make them bad or racist tbh

[thesheriff443]

Nah unnecessary.

Plenty of people have White Savior Syndrome. Doesn't make them bad or racist tbh

I never said racist I said fake.
All the twats constantly complaining about the forum can leave like all the other snow flakes that have left, thinking they can dictate who can post on the forum

[Swan]

Nah unnecessary.

Plenty of people have White Savior Syndrome. Doesn't make them bad or racist tbh

Liam does this countless times, he speaks for black people as if he's black or something, as if he understands their historical struggle. Im sure that is just as insulting to black people as anything like the topic of thread is. A white man pretending he knows the black struggle.

I knew this thread would turn out like it has. At the end of the day, all this is getting 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000x more coverage than almost daily stabbings of children in London. It's good to see where peoples priorities lie!

[Glenn.]

Most of the people in this thread thrive off of being contrarian for the sake of ‘upsetting libs’ I very much doubt they believe half the things they say irl, this forum has been allowed to drown in trolling, which is fine in itself, it’s just nauseating that it’s been allowed at the expense of minorities

Couldn’t agree more. Even worse when you get the people telling people to leave because they don’t like being called up on being *****

[thesheriff443]

Liam does this countless times, he speaks for black people as if he's black or something, as if he understands their historical struggle. Im sure that is just as insulting to black people as anything like the topic of thread is. A white man pretending he knows the black struggle.

I knew this thread would turn out like it has. At the end of the day, all this is getting 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000x more coverage than almost daily stabbings of children in London. It's good to see where peoples priorities lie!

Great post swan

[thesheriff443]

Couldn’t agree more. Even worse when you get the people telling people to leave because they don’t like being called up on being *****

You have been trolling the forum for three years calling people obsessed
No one’s interested in your bollox
But continue to try and fail.

[Liam-]

Couldn’t agree more. Even worse when you get the people telling people to leave because they don’t like being called up on being *****

Just bloody well leave it you don’t like all of the racism and general bigotry, ****ing snowflake!

[Glenn.]

You have been trolling the forum for three years calling people obsessed
No one’s interested in your bollox
But continue to try and fail.

And there you are yet again telling people what they can post about… the very thing you just been moaning about. It would be funny if you weren’t such a tragic little man

[Glenn.]

Just bloody well leave it you don’t like all of the racism and general bigotry, ****ing snowflake!

It’s hilarious and incredibly sad

[thesheriff443]

And there you are yet again telling people what they can post about… the very thing you just been moaning about. It would be funny if you weren’t such a tragic little man

Your as fake as your hair that you paid for

And if a little man what does make you!
A wet patch on the sofa

[Swan]

You have been trolling the forum for three years calling people obsessed
No one’s interested in your bollox
But continue to try and fail.

It's a shame he can't just admit what a huge royalist he is really, im sure no one would think any less of him. I thought his avi was to troll at first, but now i realise he's just a massive royalist. He worships The Duke and Duchess, that's why he runs to their defence in every single thread that so much questions them. He wont have it, he's on the defence immediately, like any true worshipper would be.

[Glenn.]

Your as fake as your hair that you paid for

And if a little man what does make you!
A wet patch on the sofa

Lmao not sure how I’m fake but ok. Whatever makes you think you’ve got a gotcha moment.

I don’t know how many times I have to say this to you but I don’t respect you enough to even care about the ‘insults’ you think you’re hurling at me. Haven’t got much time for a lonely single incel.

[thesheriff443]

Lmao not sure how I’m fake but ok. Whatever makes you think you’ve got a gotcha moment.

I don’t know how many times I have to say this to you but I don’t respect you enough to even care about the ‘insults’ you think you’re hurling at me. Haven’t got much time for a lonely single incel.

You sad bastard

[The Slim Reaper]

Gotta love the crickets from admin when the same posters get to say whatever they like about others continually, but sarcasm is baiting :laugh2:

[Redway]

Her lies were well covered at the time

I think there were around 30 major ones that were published/exposed as i recall

https://youtu.be/L2lFvFhWE2Y

^ I do think one’s better-off watching the full interview between her and Oprah. Harry’s there for more-or-less third-party witness so it’s a case I wouldn’t expect anyone to not take seriously even if not for Meghan’s supposedly track-record-blemished sake.

[Glenn.]

You sad bastard

:joker: :joker:

[AnnieK]

We've spent weeks on here debating if its bullying when people were ganging up on Matt Hancock and that pack mentality was bullying. The same posters on here are talking directly about Liam, agreeing with each other and generally doing the exact same thing they were declaring as bullying. Its a bit rich really. Liam has a different perspective to some people on this forum....doesn't make him wrong, or right but he has the right to put his point across. He has not personally insulted anyone individually but has had lots thrown at him personally - wgich is against the rules. (Sorry Liam to compare you to Matt Hancock).

[Redway]

You okay, Liam?

[GiRTh]

Gotta love the crickets from admin when the same posters get to say whatever they like about others continually, but sarcasm is baiting :laugh2::clap1:

Crickets when a forum member is told to leave a thread for pointing out the lack of progress on this forum. This thread is the same reaction these threads were getting 5 or 10 years ago. :sad:

[Jordan.]

Everyone knows who the pack of bullies are on here.

[Swan]

We've spent weeks on here debating if its bullying when people were ganging up on Matt Hancock and that pack mentality was bullying. The same posters on here are talking directly about Liam, agreeing with each other and generally doing the exact same thing they were declaring as bullying. Its a bit rich really. Liam has a different perspective to some people on this forum....doesn't make him wrong, or right but he has the right to put his point across. He has not personally insulted anyone individually but has had lots thrown at him personally - wgich is against the rules. (Sorry Liam to compare you to Matt Hancock).

That's correct, but it works both ways. In this thread for example, was the old white woman racist, or just clumsy? Up for debate, right? Yet so many on here will scream "racist" if you don't agree with them that this case in particular is 100% racist no questions asked. Well, no, we should ask questions. People are too quick to judge to suit their own narrative, both "sides" are guilty of this!

[Liam-]

We've spent weeks on here debating if its bullying when people were ganging up on Matt Hancock and that pack mentality was bullying. The same posters on here are talking directly about Liam, agreeing with each other and generally doing the exact same thing they were declaring as bullying. Its a bit rich really. Liam has a different perspective to some people on this forum....doesn't make him wrong, or right but he has the right to put his point across. He has not personally insulted anyone individually but has had lots thrown at him personally - wgich is against the rules. (Sorry Liam to compare you to Matt Hancock).

I’ll allow it this once

[Redway]

That's correct, but it works both ways. In this thread for example, was the old white woman racist, or just clumsy? Up for debate, right? Yet so many on here will scream "racist" if you don't agree with them that this case in particular is 100% racist no questions asked. Well, no, we should ask questions. People are too quick to judge to suit their own narrative, both "sides" are guilty of this!

Like you said it goes both ways.

[Liam-]

You okay, Liam?

Of course, the comments don’t bother me, it’s the forum hypocrisy in the entire situation that’s winds me up

[Swan]

Like you said it goes both ways.

Exactly, so why do so many kick up a fuss when others see a different side to the story? Not just this one either.

If they don't agree they just dismiss you as some sort of phobe or racist. It's a terrible mentality. Listen to others, accept difference in an opinion. But it's people like those mentioned who just can't accept anything different than what they believe. As soon as you go against their opinion you are insulted and accused of being racist. It's such bollocks. Most people in this multi cultured country aren't racist at all. They just get on with it.

But it does beg the question, why does this crap, and it is crap, get so much attention when young black kids are stabbed to death daily in London?!

[The Slim Reaper]

That's correct, but it works both ways. In this thread for example, was the old white woman racist, or just clumsy? Up for debate, right? Yet so many on here will scream "racist" if you don't agree with them that this case in particular is 100% racist no questions asked. Well, no, we should ask questions. People are too quick to judge to suit their own narrative, both "sides" are guilty of this!

I'm not quite sure both ways is a fair representation, when it goes:

None of you know what it's like to feel racially abused

Versus

Leave you balding semen stain

[Beso]

Of course, the comments don’t bother me, it’s the forum hypocrisy in the entire situation that’s winds me up

Eurovision week does that to me.

[Swan]

I'm not quite sure both ways is a fair representation, when it goes:

None of you know what it's like to feel racially abused

Versus

Leave you balding semen stain

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

[Redway]

Eurovision week does that to me.

You’ll have to go for a pint in Liverpool during Euro.-2023, parm. There’s no city quite like Liverpool when it comes to Eurovision celebrations and booze to go with it.

[Jordan.]

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

You don't need to be openly shouting slurs and looking to cause offense to be racist. It's a mentality and she let it slip out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

well said swan

expose them

[thesheriff443]

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

People can’t even grasp the fact that one of them was fully miked up to record what was being said at that gathering

Why would that be

[Beso]

You’ll have to go for a pint in Liverpool during Euro.-2023, parm. There’s no city quite like Liverpool when it comes to Eurovision celebrations and booze to go with it.


Oh yes, I must.

[GoldHeart]

You don't need to be openly shouting slurs and looking to cause offense to be racist. It's a mentality and she let it slip out.

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured' ,even Vine himself had to correct them by saying they don't use that term .

I could tell the caller didn't think it was wrong what they said,so yeah it isn't always from a place of hate ...but clearly ignorance especially the older generation.

[Beso]

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured' ,even Vine himself had to correct them by saying they don't use that term .

I could tell the caller didn't think it was wrong what they said,so yeah it isn't always from a place of hate ...but clearly ignorance especially the older generation.



The older generation wernt allowed to use the word black back in my day..

It's like being told diesels the best thing to be then told no, it's not.

It can be very confusing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured'

and people of colour is ok?

:laugh2:

you just cant make it up

[Redway]

Exactly, so why do so many kick up a fuss when others see a different side to the story? Not just this one either.

If they don't agree they just dismiss you as some sort of phobe or racist. It's a terrible mentality. Listen to others, accept difference in an opinion. But it's people like those mentioned who just can't accept anything different than what they believe. As soon as you go against their opinion you are insulted and accused of being racist. It's such bollocks. Most people in this multi cultured country aren't racist at all. They just get on with it.

But it does beg the question, why does this crap, and it is crap, get so much attention when young black kids are stabbed to death daily in London?!

As far as that goes (ignoring that last sentence, because stabbings down-south aren’t really associated with any ethnicity, just like U.S. shootings; there’s often some sort of provocation behind the evenings but sometimes it just happens to whatever unfortunate kid’s hanging around), you might have a point. A lot of blank people are quick to tar white people with a brush that makes them sound a lot more overall racist than they are, true, and little room for disagreement’s granted when someone just wants to play the race-card and paint all white people as raggedy, pale trash but six times out of ten there’s underlying trauma at work there so when it comes to things like this I just try and hear people out seriously and let them tell their story instead of invalidating or gaslighting them further. People who bang on about the supposed micro-aggressions around them when the white people are literally just trying to get on with it do kind of get on my nerves (not that I can’t understand how they feel) but on this thread whenever there’s been a one-sided response it’s been more in favour of the old lady and how it’s ‘not okay,’ even to the point of being ageist, to paint her as racist. But given what we’ve seen and heard from NGOZI (who said several times that she did more-than account for the generation the older woman was from) I’d say there’s less room for questioning whether or not she was victim to racism than to support and believe in her. She’s not exactly wanting in third-party verification either.

[GoldHeart]

The older generation wernt allowed to use the word black back in my day..

It's like being told diesels the best thing to be then told no, it's not.

It can be very confusing.

Actually for a long time they've been told it's perfectly fine to say black, nobody in 2022 should be calling a black person 'coloured' ... it's patronising and they're not a crayon .

I know some people still use the term 'poc' .... but it's about context ,and I guess they also use that to describe a non white person in general.

[Beso]

Actually for a long time they've been told it's perfectly fine to say black, nobody in 2022 should be calling a black person 'coloured' ... it's patronising and they're not a crayon .

I know some people still use the term 'poc' .... but it's about context ,and I guess they also use that to describe a non white person in general.

How long is a long time?

[GiRTh]

and people of colour is ok?

:laugh2:

you just cant make it up
This comment alone shows the lack of progress. I have personally explained this on a number of occasions.

The word 'coloured' is a word that was used under Apartheid and Jim Crow to seperate people of colour. Sections were separated into 'whites' and 'non-whites' or 'whites' and 'coloureds' Thus, is frowned upon. I need say no more than that. Whether you like it or not, thats it. Look thru my many times explaining this. :thumbs:

Shame cuz ten years ago this debate was actually a debate.

[GoldHeart]

and people of colour is ok?

:laugh2:

you just cant make it up

Where did I say POC is ok?? :rolleyes: , I said people use that as a more general term & the context is different. I don't use that term personally.

[Redway]

and people of colour is ok?

:laugh2:

you just cant make it up

Yes. This is how it’s been since the ’80s (likewise for half-caste vs. mixed-race). Most people who say “coloured” have good intentions but for anyone who still uses that term it’s a habit for them to get out of, really.

[Beso]

"it's patronising and they're not a crayon"


Gold heart

That's rather patronising in itself...


The way you are calling black people they....when you said they're..thats blind racism imo.something this old woman is being accused 9ff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

cant say BAME now it seems :laugh2:

Council ditches the term 'BAME' and will start using the phrase 'global majority' to refer to
black and Asian people as part of drive to be more 'inclusive and diverse'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11462983/Westminster-council-start-using-phrase-global-majority-dropping-term-BAME.html

absolute farce

[GoldHeart]

cant say BAME now it seems :laugh2:

Council ditches the term 'BAME' and will start using the phrase 'global majority' to refer to
black and Asian people as part of drive to be more 'inclusive and diverse'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11462983/Westminster-council-start-using-phrase-global-majority-dropping-term-BAME.html

absolute farce

There's nothing wrong with BAME , people are just being silly.

[GoldHeart]

it's patronising and they're not a crayon




Rather patronising in itself...


The way you are calling black people they....when you said they're..thats blind racism imo.something this old woman is being accused 9ff.

Yeah sure :hee:

[Redway]

cant say BAME now it seems :laugh2:

Council ditches the term 'BAME' and will start using the phrase 'global majority' to refer to
black and Asian people as part of drive to be more 'inclusive and diverse'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11462983/Westminster-council-start-using-phrase-global-majority-dropping-term-BAME.html

absolute farce

Considering the world originated in Africa and the most-populous countries in the world are conspicuously non-white (I mean, duh; it’s not like Europeans actually own the world or anything), I agree with that. “Ethnic minority” sounds incredibly patronising.

[Beso]

Yeah sure :hee:




It is..
discussing blacks with a bunch of white folks, and you are using they them they're.

[GoldHeart]

Yes. This is how it’s been since the ’80s (likewise for half-caste vs. mixed-race). Most people who say “coloured” have good intentions but for anyone who still uses that term it’s a habit for them to get out of, really.

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.

[Beso]

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.

What's the new word for half cast?

[Zizu]

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.


That phrase was commonly used when I was a youngster ..


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[GoldHeart]

That phrase was commonly used when I was a youngster ..


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Yeah when I was a kid I heard some people say it , it's still a daft word to describe someone's race . Even if it isn't meant in a 'offensive' way .

[GiRTh]

cant say BAME now it seems :laugh2:

Council ditches the term 'BAME' and will start using the phrase 'global majority' to refer to
black and Asian people as part of drive to be more 'inclusive and diverse'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11462983/Westminster-council-start-using-phrase-global-majority-dropping-term-BAME.html

absolute farceI fail to see why anyone would care but look 2 thousand comments. :facepalm:

[Redway]

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.

I’ve heard a lot of young people (and black people, even) innocently say half-caste as well and to me that one just is what it is. I get that there’s a history associated with it but to me it just sounds like a dated term. I wouldn’t have a heart attack over it.

On a similar token you do get black people sometimes refer to Asian-owned Afro-Asian stores in the U.K. as ‘paki shop/s’ and again to me that one just is. It’s literally short-hand for Pakistan and left to me I wouldn’t say it always has to be associated with negative tidings. British-Asians don’t have anything like the same historical association with racial abuse as black people so I wouldn’t bother going against someone’s defence for using that term innocently. Especially when it’s also even people of colour who use it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

look what black people call each other.....

grim

[Redway]

look what black people call each other.....

grim

And how exactly is that grim?

[Beso]

And how exactly is that grim?

Cause you are using the abuses of your forefathers to excuse the behaviour of todays youth.

[GoldHeart]

What's the new word for half cast?

70 years old and you haven't heard of mixed race sure ok :hee: .

[GiRTh]

look what black people call each other.....

grim
How would you know? We all know you dont have any black friends - you've admitted it a few times. Where are you getting this info? I'm actually scared to ask

[The Slim Reaper]

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

[Beso]

70 years old and you haven't heard of mixed race sure ok :hee: .

Oh them.

[Redway]

70 years old and you haven't heard of mixed race sure ok :hee: .

Is he actually that old??

[The Slim Reaper]

How would you know? We all know you dont have any black friends - you've admitted it a few times. Where are you getting this info? I'm actually scared to ask

Some folks are just angry they don't get to use it in public, too.

[Beso]

Is he actually that old??

No, shes just ticking of another ism tonight.

[Redway]

I definitely need some Bacardi and popcorn to continue with this thread.

[GoldHeart]

I’ve heard a lot of young people (and black people, even) innocently say half-caste as well and to me that one just is what it is. I get that there’s a history associated with it but to me it just sounds like a dated term. I wouldn’t have a heart attack over it.

On a similar token you do get black people sometimes refer to Asian-owned Afro-Asian stores in the U.K. as ‘paki shop/s’ and again to me that one just is. It’s literally short-hand for Pakistan and left to me I wouldn’t say it always has to be associated with negative tidings. British-Asians don’t have anything like the same historical association with racial abuse as black people so I wouldn’t bother going against someone’s defence for using that term innocently. Especially when it’s also even people of colour who use it.


Yeah Redway I've heard the same stuff aswell ,so I understand what you're saying.

Is he actually that old??

Lol

[GiRTh]

Some folks are just angry they don't get to use it in public, too.Some truth in this, for sure

[Crimson Dynamo]

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

" As Dave (the rapper) said"

yes folks this is the depths...

:laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

" As Dave (the rapper) said"

yes folks this is the depths...

:laugh:

Are you the same guy that posts all his opinions through the medium of farage and Peterson videos? Might need to sit this one out :smug: :hehe:

[Alf]

This is a non story. It doesn't affect any of your lives in the slightest. You're only talking about it because the media are pushing it and you're controlled by the media and you do as they say.

Break your chains and set yourself free.

[Redway]

How would you know? We all know you dont have any black friends - you've admitted it a few times. Where are you getting this info? I'm actually scared to ask

B.I.B. I: does L.T. have any friends?

B.I.B. II: daily fail, most-probably.

[Oliver_W]

I’ve heard a lot of young people (and black people, even) innocently say half-caste as well and to me that one just is what it is. I get that there’s a history associated with it but to me it just sounds like a dated term. I wouldn’t have a heart attack over it.

On a similar token you do get black people sometimes refer to Asian-owned Afro-Asian stores in the U.K. as ‘paki shop/s’ and again to me that one just is. It’s literally short-hand for Pakistan and left to me I wouldn’t say it always has to be associated with negative tidings. British-Asians don’t have anything like the same historical association with racial abuse as black people so I wouldn’t bother going against someone’s defence for using that term innocently. Especially when it’s also even people of colour who use it.
Ha, there's a shop in my hometown that's colloquially known as ... an alliterative name that uses that mild slur along with the old man's name (or possibly assumed name, most of his family have more Indian-sounding names) which people around here use with no malice or anything.

[GoldHeart]

This is a non story. It doesn't affect any of your lives in the slightest. You're only talking about it because the media are pushing it and you're controlled by the media and you do as they say.

Break your chains and set yourself free.

Because the orange man will set us free right??? :hee: .

https://i.postimg.cc/vTgVMM7Z/2vy.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[Alf]

Because the orange man will set us free right??? :hee: .

https://i.postimg.cc/vTgVMM7Z/2vy.gif (https://postimages.org/)You can only set yourself free, the Orange man is just trying to wake you up from your sleep.

[Redway]

Ha, there's a shop in my hometown that's colloquially known as ... an alliterative name that uses that mild slur along with the old man's name (or possibly assumed name, most of his family have more Indian-sounding names) which people around here use with no malice or anything.

Yeah, and I get that. It’s not my narrative to tell (I ain’t got one drop of Indian/Pakistani blood in me as far as I know) but when people of all races occasionally use that word in certain contexts (not to someone’s face, obviously, because that would be disparaging) I just don’t think it can intrinsically be that bad.

[The Slim Reaper]

You can only set yourself free, the Orange man is just trying to wake you up from your sleep.

Orange man needs to concentrate on keeping himself free :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

B.I.B. I: does L.T. have any friends?

B.I.B. II: daily fail, most-pronably.

nothing to add or defend but personal school ground insults again

not nice to see

https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/fuuuck.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

pronably..

[Redway]

nothing to add or defend but personal school ground insults again

not nice to see

https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/fuuuck.gif

And the funny thing is I actually want to like you sometimes but your bait doesn’t exactly make it easy. One can only wonder whether you’re baiting or speaking from a place of actual personal conviction most of the time.

[Alf]

Orange man needs to concentrate on keeping himself free :smug:He's fine. If they could get him, they'd have got him by now. He holds all the aces, because they have nothing on him, whilst he has everything on the power hungry Globalist criminals.

Trump and the Patriots win this war

[The Slim Reaper]

He's fine. If they could get him, they'd have got him by now. He holds all the aces, because they have nothing on him, whilst he has everything on the power hungry Globalist criminals.

Trump and the Patriots win this war

He keeps admitting he broke the law by stealing documents. They've cleared the special master out of the way now, so things should start to pick up (if they are going to).

[Redway]

This thread’s more convoluted than the Paddy-the-four-eyed-teddy—bear | Chas. | Al. love-hexagonal triangle over at Emmerdale. God knows why I’m still trying to keep up with it on a Friday night.

[Redway]

This thread’s more convoluted than the Paddy-the-four-eyed-teddy—bear | Chas. | Al. love-hexagonal triangle over at Emmerdale. God knows why I’m still trying to keep up with it on a Friday night.

Kerry and Cain have taught me that the only way out prematurely is to either go to jail or work on a cruise-shop on a five-minute whim so I’m just going to have to stay put with my cheap popcorn bucket and cola-rum.

[GoldHeart]

Orange man needs to concentrate on keeping himself free :smug:

:laugh:

[Redway]

https://youtu.be/STn6P23HFeM

Uncle Rafool’s here to lighten the vibe.

[Mystic Mock]

Imagine the fuss the people who are already attacking this woman would have made, if she had made a scene at the moment in the palace, let’s not pretend it would have gone any better for her

That's a fair point.

[Mystic Mock]

Also, I don't believe Lady Susan was being racist. She has mixed with people from all walks of life all over the world while accompanying the Queen and has never put a foot wrong.
This immediate naming, shaming and destroying the careers and lives of anyone who unintentionally offends is doing so much damage to not only that particular person, but to race relations as a whole. It creates a 'them vs us' situation. How can that help towards understanding and unity?

The one part I do agree with is I believe that she deserves a second chance.

Especially if she can learn from her mistake, which imo asking an English woman "what part of Africa do you come from" repeatedly to be a mistake, and obviously offensive.

[Mystic Mock]

I never said racist I said fake.
All the twats constantly complaining about the forum can leave like all the other snow flakes that have left, thinking they can dictate who can post on the forum

I think that this Forum is good for having different opinions, which Liam is providing tbf.

The last thing that this Forum needs is an echo chamber, we get that already from Twitter & Facebook.

[Zizu]

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[Redway]

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When was this?

[Alf]

I've had a post deleted from here. So because of that, I'll be taking myself of the forum for 6 months.

See you in June.

Have a good Christmas

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well, well just who would have thunk it??


BDWB3_45yPg

[Beso]

I've had a post deleted from here. So because of that, I'll be taking myself of the forum for 6 months.

See you in June.

Have a good Christmas

Can someone delete this so alf cant do it.:shrug:

[rusticgal]

Well, well just who would have thunk it??


BDWB3_45yPg



Well...thats very interesting. Its quite sad really because this isnt helping the cause.

[AnnieK]

Why must she have had a tape recorder on her? I'm sure if she wanted to record the conversation she could have just used her phone lol. Doesn't have to have been as pre-planned as taking a tape recorder.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well...thats very interesting. Its quite sad really because this isnt helping the cause.

someone who obviously hates the Royal Family goes to an event they hosted? Its the devious nature of it all :shocked:

[arista]

Well, well just who would have thunk it??


BDWB3_45yPg


Yes she is connected to BLM
it has been reported.


But why did that Nasty 83 year old
pick on her for so long??????

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/22/12/2048x1152/skynews-ngozi-fulani-king-charles_5983215.jpg?20221201084657


Very Large mage
Prince Charles and Fulani
Back in 1997

https://news.sky.com/story/who-is-ngozi-fulani-the-domestic-abuse-charity-founder-subjected-to-racism-at-buckingham-palace-12759220

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes she is connected to BLM
it has been reported.


But why did that Nasty 83 year old
pick on her for so long??????

Chatting to people and being interested in them is what one does at a function of this nature., If the "charity worker" dressed in full African garb had simply answered her question instead of deliberately using obfuscation tactics to entrap the lady in her mid 80s then she would have moved on.

[arista]

Chatting to people and being interested in them is what one does at a function of this nature., If the "charity worker" dressed in full African garb had simply answered her question instead of deliberately using obfuscation tactics to entrap the lady in her mid 80s then she would have moved on.


Maybe


But that Nasty 83 year old
went on for too long.
She was Stupid.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe


But that Nasty 83 year old
went on for too long.
She was Stupid.

we have only heard ONE very agenda-led biased report

[arista]

we have only heard ONE very agenda-led biased report


Well that
Nasty 83-year-old has worked with Media

I would tell her to go live on a
News Conference

SkyNewsHD
would drive her to their studio
and home again



Is that not very Nice
of NBC owned SkyNewsHD

[The Slim Reaper]

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

:blush:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well that
Nasty 83-year-old has worked with Media

I would tell her to go live on a
News Conference

SkyNewsHD
would drive her to their studio
and home again



Is that not very Nice
of NBC owned SkyNewsHD

No she would never watch Sky TV so they would not be appealing, perhaps she could go on The BBC with Fiona Bruce or Lorraine asking gentle questions and getting to know her?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can say with authority, however, that Susan Hussey has never knowingly
offended anyone in her life. She upholds a clean tradition of honesty and equity.
She possesses the milk of human kindness by the quart. This morning a
mutual friend told me she is ‘shattered and heartbroken and will never recover.’
The wasteland that is now her life will be far more devastating than any injury
done to Ms Fulani, who far from being the sensitive plant she portrays herself
as, is currently taking herself on a tour of every television studio in London.

And now we come to the crux of this tragedy. Susan Hussey has no prejudices
at all. She spent much of her life married to a man called Marmaduke, who had
one leg. She has never sought publicity or the acclaim of the yelling
multitudes. She abhors discrimination and once ticked me off for an article I
wrote about Italians on the grounds it was both ‘racist’ and ‘unkind’.

There is tremendous pressure now to behave in accordance with a particular
bourgeois stereotype, enforced by social media and discourteous people like Ms Fulani.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-defence-of-lady-susan-hussey/

[GiRTh]

Why you posting vids I've already posted and editorial opinions.

This line here

The wasteland that is now her life will be far more devastating than any injury done to Ms Fulani,

Tells me all I need to know about this writer.

[The Slim Reaper]

Spectator journalist admits writing a racist article. Earth shattering news, I'm sure everyone is shocked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good to see you both reading the excellent Spectator articles.

[GiRTh]

Thank you for posting. If you didn't post this tosh, I'd never read it.

[joeysteele]

Maybe


But that Nasty 83 year old
went on for too long.
She was Stupid.

I don't agree with the nasty bit as to her but it's clear the Palace accept she was wrong, for them to both comment and let her leave her post.
Plus for Prince William to condemn it too.

They'll know the fuller facts to have concluded they needed just to comment even.

She likely wasn't intentionally being racist but her questioning I agree with you, got to a grossly inappropriate point.
No need for it at all.

[rusticgal]

So this lady runs a charity to help African victims of abuse is that right?

[arista]

No she would never watch Sky TV so they would not be appealing, perhaps she could go on The BBC with Fiona Bruce or Lorraine asking gentle questions and getting to know her?


No that is not true


SkyNewsHD

or ITV1HD News

or Ch4HDnews (run but ITV news)

or Ch5HDnews (run by ITVnews)

or GBnewsHD studio in Paddington.



Sod the BBC
they get confused

[Crimson Dynamo]

So this lady runs a charity to help African victims of abuse is that right?

Yes

[rusticgal]

Yes


So if a white woman wants their help they will be denied because of the colour of their skin…:shrug:
Is that not the epitome of Racism?…

[thesheriff443]

60 years of loyal service and a woman’s reputation ruined for having one conversation

[Oliver_W]

Why must she have had a tape recorder on her? I'm sure if she wanted to record the conversation she could have just used her phone lol. Doesn't have to have been as pre-planned as taking a tape recorder.
Meh, semantics. How many (older) people say they're going to "tape" something when using the telly box? It's obvious what he meant, and he's old.

Maybe


But that Nasty 83 year old
went on for too long.
She was Stupid.

Lady SH probably thought the woman didn't understand what she was being asked or something.

[Swan]

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

I understand what you're saying. I guess the problem is, is there always has to be sides. Im not either side in this case. Yes, both these women have their side of the story, but i honestly think it'll be better if they just came together in private and talked it out. So there could be some understanding. I do certainly agree that a wealthy 83 year upper class white woman has lived a different life to us regulars on the front line. Im sure she feels a superiority to most people, no matter race. But it's just an opinion, i have no idea what either women are really like. Like i said, i feel she was just clumsy. That doesn't mean i care, doesn't mean i feel sorry for her. You know my stance on class, and royals. I feel more for the little old dears who have done right all their lives, been good people, and now can't afford to heat their homes. This woman doesn't know hardship, not in the general sense...

Assumption is the "guilty" party here. But that can, and should be explored. If, you see a black woman, wearing her African gear, a high up in a charity for African woman, and with her name, it's not wrongto assume she's African herself. Her Grandparents were most likely born in Africa, i apologise if im wrong about that!

I don't think it's racist to assume, in most cases anyway. It's kinda like, if you see a white Chav from Landan dressed in his trackies and Burberry hat, and you ask him where he's from, and he says "im from Uganda mate innit" you'd be like "hmm ok, but where are your parents/grandparents originally from" would you be deemed racist?

I think, this white woman pushed too much, not because of race, but because of class superiority. More of a "i asked you a question and you will answer me" situation. I bet, had a rich Arab been there, this white woman wouldn't of quizzed them in any form, or a wealthy black African at that.

To conclude, im not gonna scream racism in this case, it was probably more to do with class and social standing, in which this white woman felt the charity worker woman was beneath her.

[AnnieK]

Meh, semantics. How many (older) people say they're going to "tape" something when using the telly box? It's obvious what he meant, and he's old.



Lady SH probably thought the woman didn't understand what she was being asked or something.

I don't agree. Him implying she took a tape recorder means that an interaction of this nature was pre-planned. Whereas using the record function on a phone you have on you doesn't. He works in the media, he's no doddering old fool who doesn't understand technology. He's trying to force intent

[rusticgal]

I don't agree. Him implying she took a tape recorder means that an interaction of this nature was pre-planned. Whereas using the record function on a phone you have on you doesn't. He works in the media, he's no doddering old fool who doesn't understand technology. He's trying to force intent


No one uses a Tape recorder these days…he was simply implying she recorded it and in this day and age it’s pretty obvious he is referring to recording it on her phone….

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't agree. Him implying she took a tape recorder means that an interaction of this nature was pre-planned. Whereas using the record function on a phone you have on you doesn't. He works in the media, he's no doddering old fool who doesn't understand technology. He's trying to force intent

so are you saying that she deliberately recorded a chit chat conversation?

why?

[AnnieK]

No one uses a Tape recorder these days…he was simply implying she recorded it and in this day and age it’s pretty obvious he is referring to recording it on her phone….

Then why say she had a tape recorder on her and therefore she pre-planned it? They were his words. I hazard that 95% of the people there had phones with recording capabilities. They had not taken them with intent....so why had this women?

There is actually no evidence that is was recorded, the "transcript" only has been released and from what I can gather that is Ngozi's recollection of the conversation. I would hazard if there was a recording it would be out there now. He's pushing a taped conversation that no-one knows exists as proof of intent to cause this row. It's lazy journalism and baiting

[AnnieK]

so are you saying that she deliberately recorded a chit chat conversation?

why?

Again, no proof that it was recorded but it takes less than a second to hit record....maybe she was recording the whole affair for prosperity, maybe she hit record when the conversation turned to where she is from. I don't know. Neither do you,neither does Farage. Its proof of nothing

[Redway]

I've had a post deleted from here. So because of that, I'll be taking myself of the forum for 6 months.

See you in June.

Have a good Christmas

That got deleted but other people’s insults from a page or two back didn’t?

[Crimson Dynamo]

B.I.B. I: does L.T. have any friends?

B.I.B. II: daily fail, most-probably.

That got deleted but other people’s insults from a page or two back didn’t?

do you mean this one?

[Redway]

So if a white woman wants their help they will be denied because of the colour of their skin…:shrug:
Is that not the epitome of Racism?…

No because black people in this part of the world have been oppressed in a very specific way and sometimes need a specific kind of support/common ground to get the most appropriate help for their needs. White people don’t need specific protection in the U.K. just because they’re white.

[thesheriff443]

Again, no proof that it was recorded but it takes less than a second to hit record....maybe she was recording the whole affair for prosperity, maybe she hit record when the conversation turned to where she is from. I don't know. Neither do you,neither does Farage. Its proof of nothing

She released a full transcript of the conversation

She is pro Meghan and anti royals

[Swan]

No because black people in this part of the world have been oppressed in a very specific way and sometimes need a specific kind of support/common ground to get the most appropriate help for their needs. White people don’t need specific protection in the U.K. just because they’re white.

Wasn't it you who said all Polish, Albanians, Romanians etc in this country are oppressed in this part of the world ie the UK? When 99% of European immigration is white.

Btw, if it wasn't you who said that i apologise.

[thesheriff443]

The queen was no fool, if this woman was racist she wouldn’t of been part of the queens inner circle for 60 years.

[Redway]

Wasn't it you who said all Polish, Albanians, Romanians etc in this country are oppressed in this part of the world ie the UK? When 99% of European immigration is white.

Btw, if it wasn't you who said that i apologise.

Yeah, I definitely don’t remember saying anything like that.

As far as what’s actually relevant goes my point is a lot of black people do need black-tailored services when it comes to certain things (including in the police-force, for the black people in the U.K. & Ireland who are officers). Arguing against that with reverse-racism (which so isn’t a thing, by the way) isn’t the best form.

[Oliver_W]

No because black people in this part of the world have been oppressed in a very specific way and sometimes need a specific kind of support/common ground to get the most appropriate help for their needs.

No-one who's alive now will even have had great-grandparents who were slaves. There comes a point where if they're not over it by now, no amount of support will help them get their lives together.

[rusticgal]

Then why say she had a tape recorder on her and therefore she pre-planned it? They were his words. I hazard that 95% of the people there had phones with recording capabilities. They had not taken them with intent....so why had this women?

There is actually no evidence that is was recorded, the "transcript" only has been released and from what I can gather that is Ngozi's recollection of the conversation. I would hazard if there was a recording it would be out there now. He's pushing a taped conversation that no-one knows exists as proof of intent to cause this row. It's lazy journalism and baiting


Because it’s probably a a mis use of words…and we have been told there is a transcript :shrug:….so you can only think that it’s a recording on her phone. Having said that if there is no recording are we to believe that everything she has said actually happened the way it did?… are there witnesses?
The Royal in question has resigned so I guess she is taking account of her own actions…but was it THAT bad or is everybody treading on eggshells and just doing what ‘looks’ the right thing to do :shrug:

[AnnieK]

She released a full transcript of the conversation

She is pro Meghan and anti royals

And? I could release a transcript of a conversation I just had, I don't have a recording of it but its my recollection and the transcript would be out there.
No proof that she intentionally took a recording device to cause this as Farage said. That's my argument here.

[Swan]

Yeah, I definitely don’t remember saying anything like that.

As far as what’s actually relevant goes my point is a lot of black people do need black-tailored services when it comes to certain things (including in the police-force, for the black people in the U.K. & Ireland who are officers). Arguing against that with reverse-racism (which so isn’t a thing, by the way) isn’t the best form.

Alright well then i apologise.

But you would have to agree the UK has taken leaps and strides in combating historical racism. I remember asking the question a long time ago, this country is a heaven for millions of migrants, it's why they come here, from all races and walks of life. As much as im against the class structure and royalty, over all this country is light-years ahead of others when it comes to acceptance and multi culture. (im not talking about this case, im just freestyling thoughts)

[Redway]

No-one who's alive now will even have had great-grandparents who were slaves. There comes a point where if they're not over it by now, no amount of support will help them get their lives together.

It’s not so much about slavery (especially outside America). It’s more about having specific cultural niches that are better-understood by fellow black people and the collective experience of racism. Passively-denying black people the right to feel their real experiences (theirs, not yours) really is gaslighting and 99% of the time I don’t use that word lightly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And? I could release a transcript of a conversation I just had, I don't have a recording of it but its my recollection and the transcript would be out there.
No proof that she intentionally took a recording device to cause this as Farage said. That's my argument here.

but its my recollection

--------

but you accept that means zero and is proof of nothing

I can say i met you and you said you despise black people

and without your input it means utterly nothing?

and even with your input in the eyes of law

it means nothing

without actual evidence

[thesheriff443]

And? I could release a transcript of a conversation I just had, I don't have a recording of it but its my recollection and the transcript would be out there.
No proof that she intentionally took a recording device to cause this as Farage said. That's my argument here.

Reality check

Is that old woman any threat to the black population having equal rights in this world, the answer is no

There is a reason this is making headlines and it’s not for the benefit of black lives.

[Redway]

Alright well then i apologise.

But you would have to agree the UK has taken leaps and strides in combating historical racism. I remember asking the question a long time ago, this country is a heaven for millions of migrants, it's why they come here, from all races and walks of life. As much as im against the class structure and royalty, over all this country is light-years ahead of others when it comes to acceptance and multi culture. (im not talking about this case, im just freestyling thoughts)

It’s come a long way but racism still exists. Not everyone’s going to be aware of the subtleties of covert/institutional racism (and as far as that goes it’s also an unfortunate tale to witness many younger black males, for example now, being seen as an inherent threat when they haven’t actually done anything but want to just get on and mine their business) but there’s no point trying to have an honest good-intentioned discussion about racism while wilfully invalidating black people’s experiences of racism on a more intrinsic level.

[AnnieK]

but its my recollection

--------

but you accept that means zero and is proof of nothing

I can say i met you and you said you despise black people

and without your input it means utterly nothing?

and even with your input in the eyes of law

it means nothing

without actual evidence

I completely agree.

But also saying she took a recording device as she intended to cause this means nothing also, particularly as there is NO PROOF the recording exists :shrug: Don't even really know what your arguement is here, you posted the Farage clip as proof of something, I am just disputing one part of what HE said

[Crimson Dynamo]

Racism in places like Africa and Asia dwarfs places like the UK. The least racist country on earth

[Crimson Dynamo]

I completely agree.

But also saying she took a recording device as she intended to cause this means nothing also, particularly as there is NO PROOF the recording exists :shrug: Don't even really know what your arguement is here, you posted the Farage clip as proof of something, I am just disputing one part of what HE said

im glad you agree her recollections of what was said is biased and suspect

[AnnieK]

Reality check

Is that old woman any threat to the black population having equal rights in this world, the answer is no

There is a reason this is making headlines and it’s not for the benefit of black lives.

I don't need a reality check thank you very much :smug:

I have merely queries the words and intentions of part of a Farage clip that is trying to push intent on this situation

[Redway]

Racism in places like Africa and Asia dwarfs places like the UK. The least racist country on earth

So you are admitting racism exists in the U.K. (which is what this whole discussion’s about, not how you think it is in India or South Africa). Good. That’s a start.

[thesheriff443]

It’s come a long way but racism still exists. Not everyone’s going to be aware of the subtleties of covert/institutional racism (and as far as that goes it’s also an unfortunate tale to witness many younger black males, for example now, being seen as an inherent threat when they haven’t actually done anything but want to just get on and mine their business) but there’s no point trying to have an honest good-intentioned discussion about racism while wilfully invalidating black people’s experiences of racism on a more intrinsic level.

But are you aware of jungle justice being carried out in African countries, in which Some one gets sentenced to death has a burning tyre put around their neck

Or African men giving young girls aids by forcing them to have sex with out a condom

Some people you can help and some you can’t and that is found in every skin colour

[Swan]

It’s come a long way but racism still exists. Not everyone’s going to be aware of the subtleties of covert/institutional racism (and as far as that goes it’s also an unfortunate tale to witness many younger black males, for example now, being seen as an inherent threat when they haven’t actually done anything but want to just get on and mine their business) but there’s no point trying to have an honest good-intentioned discussion about racism while wilfully invalidating black people’s experiences of racism on a more intrinsic level.

It's invalidating to ask the question in 2022. The saddest thing about all this -
1. Whites thinking they "understand" a black persons current/historical struggle better than other whites. Truth is, none of us will ever really know!
2. We buy into this hyperbol the media spin puts on race relations.
3. Why can't us regular people just get along, black, white, brown etc. We're all in the same boat, all just trying to get on in life. It's depressing, there has been million of normal, polite, friendly interactions with white people, black people, brown people today in this country. Yet no one sees that.

If only this much effort, time and debate went on why, and to try and make better the black teens in London stabbing each other daily.

It's sad.

Anyway, back to the football. :wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So you are admitting racism exists in the U.K. (which is what this whole discussion’s about, not how you think it is in India or South Africa). Good. That’s a start.

yes mainly among the African and Asian communities but we are making great strides there

:fc:

[thesheriff443]

I don't need a reality check thank you very much :smug:

I have merely queries the words and intentions of part of a Farage clip that is trying to push intent on this situation

It’s an old woman having a conversation

Regardless of what was said or what can be proven

She didn’t pull out a knife and start stabbing all the African guests or were ever the fcuk they are from.

[Redway]

yes mainly among the African and Asian communities but we are making great strides there

:fc:

I’d stop here as you’re really not doing yourself any favours.

@ sheriff, I’m aware (and, yes, good and bad exists in every race) but I’m struggling to see what that has to do with what we’re talking about.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i dress 100% African

i run an exclusive African-ONLY charity

my name is 100% African

oh are you from Africa?

"Racist"

[Redway]

i dress 100% African

i run an exclusive African-ONLY charity

my name is 100% African

oh are you from Africa?

"Racist"

She runs an Afro.-Caribbean charity, not a solely African one.

[Redway]

It's invalidating to ask the question in 2022. The saddest thing about all this -
1. Whites thinking they "understand" a black persons current/historical struggle better than other whites. Truth is, none of us will ever really know!
2. We buy into this hyperbol the media spin puts on race relations.
3. Why can't us regular people just get along, black, white, brown etc. We're all in the same boat, all just trying to get on in life. It's depressing, there has been million of normal, polite, friendly interactions with white people, black people, brown people today in this country. Yet no one sees that.

If only this much effort, time and debate went on why, and to try and make better the black teens in London stabbing each other daily.

It's sad.

Anyway, back to the football. :wavey:

Why do I get the impression that animal-abuse matters more to you than racism?

[Liam-]

As Dave the rapper says ‘the least racist is still racist’ :smug:

[Redway]

As Dave the rapper says ‘the least racist is still racist’ :smug:

Meaning what exactly when lots of decent people with racism-awareness (probably more than you know) have commented in this thread?

[Crimson Dynamo]

As Dave the rapper says ‘the least racist is still racist’ :smug:

as Barney from JLS says

Dave the rapper is a wanker

[thesheriff443]

I’d stop here as you’re really not doing yourself any favours.

@ sheriff, I’m aware (and, yes, good and bad exists in every race) but I’m struggling to see what that has to do with what we’re talking about.

It’s a reminder that some of the worlds population are scum regardless of skin colour and they are still torturing and murdering their own.

You will never see the end of racism

[Swan]

Why do I get the impression that animal-abuse matters more to you than racism?

Why do i get the impression you don't give a toss about black children being stabbed to death every day in London?

[Liam-]

Meaning what exactly when lots of decent people with racism-awareness (probably more than you know) have commented in this thread?

It’s a reference to countries, not people, slim would understand :hmph:

[AnnieK]

It’s an old woman having a conversation

Regardless of what was said or what can be proven

She didn’t pull out a knife and start stabbing all the African guests or were ever the fcuk they are from.

Again, who said she did?

Not quite sure why you keep saying this to me. I was merely pointing out that Farages words on that clip were misleading and baity. You can carry on getting more wildly accusatory about what you perceive people think happened but it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what I am saying.

I think you may need the reality check here as you are putting words in people's mouths that have never existed in this discussion

[AnnieK]

im glad you agree her recollections of what was said is biased and suspect

And I am glad you agree the Farage was trying to mislead people that this was a pre-planned occurrence

[GoldHeart]

And I am glad you agree the Farage was trying to mislead people that this was a pre-planned occurrence

Farage is a ghastly weasel , are we really surprised he would twist it .

[Crimson Dynamo]

And I am glad you agree the Farage was trying to mislead people that this was a pre-planned occurrence
and you think it wasn't?

why record a conversation?

[AnnieK]

and you think it wasn't?

why record a conversation?

Where is the proof it was :shrug:
Jeez, why are we going round in circles. A transcript has been released. Farage has assumed that it has been recorded, you believe him but NO recording has been released, just a written transcript which is one of the party's recollections.

What is hard to understand here? :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where is the proof it was :shrug:
Jeez, why are we going round in circles. A transcript has been released. Farage has assumed that it has been recorded, you believe him but NO recording has been released, just a written transcript which is one of the party's recollections.

What is hard to understand here? :shrug:

"A transcript has been released."you said

that means it was recorded unless it has a different meaning?

surely its just not this awful lady making up what was said??

i take it you know?

[AnnieK]

"A transcript has been released."you said

that means it was recorded unless it has a different meaning?

surely its just not this awful lady making up what was said??

i take it you know?

The transcript has been posted in this thread. Farage himself said a transcript has been released. Its been said its her recollection.

Continue to argue with yourself LT.....I know as much as you. Which is pretty much nothing. What I do know is there is NO recording in the public domain and Farage said there is a transcript apparently so he doesn't know either but he has taken it on himself to say she had pre planned it and recorded it. WHICH HE DOES NOT KNOW AS THERE IS NO PROOF.

I can't be clearer

[joeysteele]

Farage is a ghastly weasel , are we really surprised he would twist it .

He is.
I would be very hesitant to trust most of what he said or inferred on most issues.

[The Slim Reaper]

As Dave the rapper says ‘the least racist is still racist’ :smug:

:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The transcript has been posted in this thread. Farage himself said a transcript has been released. Its been said its her recollection.

Continue to argue with yourself LT.....I know as much as you. Which is pretty much nothing. What I do know is there is NO recording in the public domain and Farage said there is a transcript apparently so he doesn't know either but he has taken it on himself to say she had pre planned it and recorded it. WHICH HE DOES NOT KNOW AS THERE IS NO PROOF.

I can't be clearer

" there is a transcript apparently"

do you understand what that means?

the word apparently

coz if you do you have wasted quite a bit of time and energy here

[Crimson Dynamo]

5aZEbJcauH4

[AnnieK]

" there is a transcript apparently"

do you understand what that means?

the word apparently

coz if you do you have wasted quite a bit of time and energy here

There is a transcript...you know the definition of transcript is I assume?

transcript
/ˈtranskrɪpt,ˈtrɑːnskrɪpt/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
a written or printed version of material originally presented in another medium.

The other medium in this instance being a verbal conversation. It has been provided by one party and therefore should be taken with a pinch of salt.

You're the one tying yourself in knots because you posted Farage as "proof" but as there is no evidence, what you have posted is heresay....the same as the transcript.

So try and patronise me all you want hun....I've got ALL the time in the world.

[The Slim Reaper]

LT getting his arse handed to him :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is a transcript...you know the definition of transcript is I assume?

transcript
/ˈtranskrɪpt,ˈtrɑːnskrɪpt/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
a written or printed version of material originally presented in another medium.

The other medium in this instance being a verbal conversation. It has been provided by one party and therefore should be taken with a pinch of salt.

You're the one tying yourself in knots because you posted Farage as "proof" but as there is no evidence, what you have posted is heresay....the same as the transcript.

So try and patronise me all you want hun....I've got ALL the time in the world.

nope its just some words she wrote down

just like
this is a
transcript
the lady
made
it all up

now why is my transcript any better?

and do watch the vid i just posted

i think it may help you enormously

[The Slim Reaper]

https://media.tenor.com/sJeCT3uwsBEAAAAM/horse-dead.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're the one tying yourself in knots because you posted Farage as "proof"



no m8

i posted the video

[AnnieK]

nope its just some words she wrote down

just like
this is a
transcript
the lady
made
it all up

now why is my transcript any better?

and do watch the vid i just posted

i think it may help you enormously

WHO said that I thought the transcript was accurate? Show me where I said it was true and correct?

You are either being deliberately obtuse.....or are selective reading because you want a fight.

Either way, its no skin off my nose.

I'm not trusting any videos you post as the Farage contained unsubstantiated accusations.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm not trusting any videos you post as the Farage contained unsubstantiated accusations.

yes just like the charity worker did



too

shay

[Swan]

https://media.tenor.com/sJeCT3uwsBEAAAAM/horse-dead.gif

Have you seen the South Park Political Theory? It's something i happen to believe. Very much centralist, that can lean either left or right depending on circumstance.

I know you hate the centralist, but we agree with you leftist on a lot more than you think. We just sometimes happen to ask the question. And are not blinded by political agendas from either side.

Funny the left hate the centralists, as at least 75% of the time we agree with you. All or nothing i guess. Not wonderfully democratic!

[AnnieK]

yes just like the charity worker did



too

shay

:laugh:

You cant find any proof that I said the transcript was unbiased and correct can you? I didn't post the transcript or try and pass it off as gospel with a "who'd have thunk it" quip

[Redway]

Why do i get the impression you don't give a toss about black children being stabbed to death every day in London?

What exactly’s that got to do with racism?

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh:

You cant find any proof that I said the transcript was unbiased and correct can you? I didn't post the transcript or try and pass it off as gospel with a "who'd have thunk it" quip

"or try and pass it off as gospel"

then problem is Annie its only in your mind

you are arguing against yourself

and your bias against NF and what you think he said

https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/1222206481_emoji2.png

[Redway]

yes just like the charity worker did



too

shay

She wasn’t making wild accusations. She was giving her account of what happened as she was asked.

I really feel sorry for any black friends you might have (if you have any mates in any case).

[Redway]

WHO said that I thought the transcript was accurate? Show me where I said it was true and correct?

You are either being deliberately obtuse.....or are selective reading because you want a fight.

Either way, its no skin off my nose.

I'm not trusting any videos you post as the Farage contained unsubstantiated accusations.

Sadly I can’t remember LeatherTrumpet ever not being like this. This is just what he does when it comes to matters of race and sexuality. Indeed, one might wonder why we even bother engaging with his bait but supposing the likelihood that these really are his views it would be rather nice to think that someone can get through to him one day.

[rusticgal]

5aZEbJcauH4


Well I totally agree with this woman….

[Crimson Dynamo]

She wasn’t making wild accusations. She was giving her account of what happened as she was asked.

I really feel sorry for any black friends you might have (if you have any mates in any case).

welcome back Rerway

https://content.invisioncic.com/Mrangmedia/emoticons/848696413_goodpost.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I totally agree with this woman….

Brave and totally rinsed that "charity worker"

[The Slim Reaper]

Have you seen the South Park Political Theory? It's something i happen to believe. Very much centralist, that can lean either left or right depending on circumstance.

I know you hate the centralist, but we agree with you leftist on a lot more than you think. We just sometimes happen to ask the question. And are not blinded by political agendas from either side.

Funny the left hate the centralists, as at least 75% of the time we agree with you. All or nothing i guess. Not wonderfully democratic!

Haven't seen it, but I'll check it out.

I don't hate centrists, It's just become a label these days given to generally centre-right political opinions, and is just another way to enable tories.

I have little respect for tories, but I have even less for tories who pretend they're not tories, like Starmer and his new new labour party.

The only way to improve society for the better is to do something different than the capitalism of the last half century, and neither of the 2 parties are interested in anything other than business as usual.

[Swan]

What exactly’s that got to do with racism?

What exactly does being against animal abuse have to do with being against racism? You made the weird connection, i didn't. Maybe have a look at yourself if you're comparing animal abuse to racism. Says more about you than it does me?

Both things are completely underrated.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What exactly does being against animal abuse have to do with being against racism? You made the weird connection, i didn't. Maybe have a look at yourself if you're comparing animal abuse to racism. Says more about you than it does me?

Both things are completely underrated.

well said swan

strong points made

[Redway]

Well I totally agree with this woman….

https://youtu.be/GhHIzoqlg0c

^

on the other hand Nana also says this and I’m sure the likes of LeatherTrumpet are going to draw the line at that. He doesn’t seem to even believe white-black racism still exists.

[Redway]

What exactly does being against animal abuse have to do with being against racism? You made the weird connection, i didn't. Maybe have a look at yourself if you're comparing animal abuse to racism. Says more about you than it does me?

Both things are completely underrated.

The fact that there’s a question-mark there completely gives away the game that this is deliberate ‘subtle’ reverse-bait. You’re not really sure of anything you’re saying here, are you?

[The Slim Reaper]

Riddle me this, if her version is unsubstantiated, why did she resign without challenging that version, and why did both the family and her godson condemn her remarks?

[Redway]

well said swan

strong points made

You wouldn’t know a strong argument if a barrister come up to you and whacked you with Mike Tyson’s gloves.

[Swan]

Haven't seen it, but I'll check it out.

I don't hate centrists, It's just become a label these days given to generally centre-right political opinions, and is just another way to enable tories.

I have little respect for tories, but I have even less for tories who pretend they're not tories, like Starmer and his new new labour party.

The only way to improve society for the better is to do something different than the capitalism of the last half century, and neither of the 2 parties are interested in anything other than business as usual.

That's fair. But you hammer Wes, which is fine, you see him as a Tory, that's up to you. I see him more of a Centre Left who could maybe be a bit more open minded. Because what the left are doing with Keir right now isn't working. I've admitted to you before i was wrong about Corbyn. I don't think he's a bad person, sometimes misled, but over all i can see the good in a number of his policies. I've also expressed my disdain for most Tories. I would never vote Tory. But as it stands i would never vote Labour either.


Anyway, without getting too deep. I feel the left struggle because so many want to see injustice when it isn't really there, the Central leaning person asks questions = Left "RACIST, PHOBE" The Right = "you make a fair point"

A tactical change and all that. Politics is the art of the possible. The Left continue to ask for the impossible. And berate those who question them, and brand them you know what

[Redway]

There’ll be people in the pub. tonight choking on their vodka-dipped naan bread laughing at the amount of ignorance displayed on this thread.

[Redway]

Wetherspoons had-better have a few ambulances on speed-dial. Some of the poor sods in there will need that and a certified Heimlich maneuver professional tonight.

[Swan]

The fact that there’s a question-mark there completely gives away the game that this is deliberate ‘subtle’ reverse-bait. You’re not really sure of anything you’re saying here, are you?

Im 100% sure of everything i post, and that's why instead of addressing some of the very understanding and sympathetic posts i made on this subject, you go after me with unrelated to bait, like animal abuse because you're all out of ideas and intellect to deal with actual discussion you don't agree with!

I never baited you, you telling me i feel more strongly about animal abuse than i do racism was pure bait. But people like you don't worry me, because people like you are looking for ONE answer in a situations with many questions.

Narrow mindedness is a poor trait, mate.

[Redway]

Eat your food and drink your drink safely, lads and ladettes out there reading this sorry-thread. This ignorance ain’t worth the laughter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There’ll be people in the pub. tonight choking on their vodka-dipped naan bread laughing at the amount of ignorance displayed on this thread.

Im pretty sure the pub crowd have your firmly on ignore rerway

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[Redway]

Im 100% sure of everything i post, and that's why instead of addressing some of the very understanding and sympathetic posts i made on this subject, you go after me with unrelated to bait, like animal abuse because you're all out of ideas and intellect to deal with actual discussion you don't agree with!

I never baited you, you telling me i feel more strongly about animal abuse than i do racism was pure bait. But people like you don't worry me, because people like you are looking for ONE answer in a situations with many questions.

Narrow mindedness is a poor trait, mate.

I hear there’s an unexpected surplus of Christmas turkeys doing the rounds in most shops for discounted prices. Get yourself one, use it for Sunday rice/roast and ditch the veganism for one weekend, maybe.

[Swan]

There’ll be people in the pub. tonight choking on their vodka-dipped naan bread laughing at the amount of ignorance displayed on this thread.

Wetherspoons had-better have a few ambulances on speed-dial. Some of the poor sods in there will need that and a certified Heimlich maneuver professional tonight.

Eat your food and drink your drink safely, lads and ladettes out there reading this sorry-thread. This ignorance ain’t worth the laughter.

Insults when intellectual, multiple opinions are put forth. Instead of addressing with respectable argument and debate. Toys are thrown from ones pram!!

Typical behaviour from those with narrow minds!

[Cherie]

Riddle me this, if her version is unsubstantiated, why did she resign without challenging that version, and why did both the family and her godson condemn her remarks?

Never complain, never explain, it was easier for her to take it on the chin, I’m sure at 83 you would do the same, throw yourself under the bus for the sake of it, she has not been at the Queens side for 60 years and not learned how to handle things, it’s not like she is going to rock up on Lorraine to give her side is it

[Redway]

Im pretty sure the pub crowd have your firmly on ignore rerway

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Even-so, I’d rather be ignored than laugh-mocked for astounding ignorance. At least every other person who’s posted on this thread has had at least something vaguely reasonable and honest to say. Yours are just pure bait. I won’t call you the r.-word but at the end of the day by one’s fruits we shall know one.

[Redway]

Insults when intellectual, multiple opinions are put forth. Instead of addressing with respectable argument and debate. Toys are thrown from ones pram!!

Typical behaviour from those with narrow minds!

I’ve been one of the more intellectual voices on this thread. At this point I’m just tired and having a bit of fun. I’d relax if I were you.

[bots]

what i don't understand is what the charity worker thinks she can achieve from it. It's a lady in her 80's that she has called out for not being in tune with the current times. It's a lone, isolated, old woman that she has targeted, which really isn't a good look no matter what side of the debate you are on.

If the objective is to call out old people who will be gone soon enough, i guess it's job done. If it's intending to affect the views of young people, they will be looking to their own grandparents and thinking they wouldn't want them vilified, so yeah, what's her objective

[Swan]

I hear there’s an unexpected surplus of Christmas turkeys doing the rounds in most shops for discounted prices. Get yourself one, use it for Sunday rice/roast and ditch the veganism for one weekend, maybe.

Please stop asking to be embarrassed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Please stop asking to be embarrassed.

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[The Slim Reaper]

That's fair. But you hammer Wes, which is fine, you see him as a Tory, that's up to you. I see him more of a Centre Left who could maybe be a bit more open minded. Because what the left are doing with Keir right now isn't working. I've admitted to you before i was wrong about Corbyn. I don't think he's a bad person, sometimes misled, but over all i can see the good in a number of his policies. I've also expressed my disdain for most Tories. I would never vote Tory. But as it stands i would never vote Labour either.


Anyway, without getting too deep. I feel the left struggle because so many want to see injustice when it isn't really there, the Central leaning person asks questions = Left "RACIST, PHOBE" The Right = "you make a fair point"

A tactical change and all that. Politics is the art of the possible. The Left continue to ask for the impossible. And berate those who question them, and brand them you know what

You've just placed your inherent biases into that framing, which is fine, but just be aware that you're doing it, and that it isn't neutral observation.

Corbyn wasn't misled. he stood on his platform, a great platform by the way that would actually address many of the issues the country faces, especially today. But we got may and Johnson instead. that's democracy. Offering the same things as tories, is not a strategy that will work, when the actual tories are prepared to pander to the even more base instincts of the right. It was the labour right that worked to prevent Corbyn winning in 17, when he had a chance in a non-brexit election. That is a fact that can be proved as labour files and internal documents over years have been released.

Socialism is an economic philosophy, the rest is just nonsense.

[Crimson Dynamo]

what i don't understand is what the charity worker thinks she can achieve from it. It's a lady in her 80's that she has called out for not being in tune with the current times. It's a lone, isolated, old woman that she has targeted, which really isn't a good look no matter what side of the debate you are on.

If the objective is to call out old people who will be gone soon enough, i guess it's job done. If it's intending to affect the views of young people, they will be looking to their own grandparents and thinking they wouldn't want them vilified, so yeah, what's her objective

and "in charge" of a charity

chilling

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[Redway]

what i don't understand is what the charity worker thinks she can achieve from it. It's a lady in her 80's that she has called out for not being in tune with the current times. It's a lone, isolated, old woman that she has targeted, which really isn't a good look no matter what side of the debate you are on.

If the objective is to call out old people who will be gone soon enough, i guess it's job done. If it's intending to affect the views of young people, they will be looking to their own grandparents and thinking they wouldn't want them vilified, so yeah, what's her objective

I don’t think Ngozi’s deliberately trying to vilify anyone but at the end of the day she had an experience that was quite painful to her and she wants to talk about it. Supposing she’s telling nothing but the non-biased truth (and of that I have little doubt) and this challenges (if not publicly weeds out) some of the prejudiced attitudes other people have at Buckingham Palace, I suppose that’ll be mission-accomplished. Some things really do need to be talked about and racism, merely alleged or not, is one of them. I don’t think it was her intention for an old lady to get the boot.