Grand Final Songs and dances

[Nicky91]

Fleur & Vito

Judges’ Pick: Samba to Hot Hot Hot by Arrow

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Destiny’s Child Megamix by Destiny’s Child

Show Dance: Find Me by Sigma featuring Birdy


Helen & Gorka

Judges’ Pick: Jive to Tightrope by Janelle Monáe

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Mein Herr by Liza Minnelli (from Cabaret)

Show Dance: Shine by Emeli Sandé


Molly & Carlos

Judges’ Pick: Quickstep to Love On Top by Beyoncé

Favourite Dance: Rumba to All The Man That I Need by Whitney Houston

Show Dance: Kiss/1999 by Prince


Hamza & Jowita

Judges’ Pick: Salsa to Ecuador by Sash! featuring Rodriguez

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Jerusalema - Remix by Master KG featuring Burna Boy and Nomcebo Zikode

Show Dance: Let’s Face The Music And Dance by Irving Berlin



Featuring a guest performance by Florence and the Machine.

[Nicky91]

a mix of 3 good dances for Molly & Carlos



ofc judges have to choose that jive of Helen, their little pet sooooo predictable :laugh3:




Fleur not much variation in her 3 dances, fast, fast and more fast, no contrast



Hamza a good mix of Salsa, Afrobeat and Ballroom main element in the showdance

[Strictly Jake]

Thank goodness everyone has the right choices for the final!

[Nicky91]

am more also looking forward to the eliminated contestants group dance, seeing Tony again :love: and the adams family being complete in that dance :flutter:

[Kate!]

Molly's showdance sounds amazing.

[Vanessa]

Great song choices.
I love Prince and that song is amazing.

[pontooner]

Fleur & Vito

Judges’ Pick: Samba to Hot Hot Hot by Arrow

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Destiny’s Child Megamix by Destiny’s Child

Show Dance: Find Me by Sigma featuring Birdy


Helen & Gorka

Judges’ Pick: Jive to Tightrope by Janelle Monáe

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Mein Herr by Liza Minnelli (from Cabaret)

Show Dance: Shine by Emeli Sandé


Molly & Carlos

Judges’ Pick: Quickstep to Love On Top by Beyoncé

Favourite Dance: Rumba to All The Man That I Need by Whitney Houston

Show Dance: Kiss/1999 by Prince


Hamza & Jowita

Judges’ Pick: Salsa to Ecuador by Sash! featuring Rodriguez

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Jerusalema - Remix by Master KG featuring Burna Boy and Nomcebo Zikode

Show Dance: Let’s Face The Music And Dance by Irving Berlin



Featuring a guest performance by Florence and the Machine.

3 of favourite dances being couples choice, removes what little credibility this series has left as a dance competition. We have a grand final with only one ballroom dance out of the 9 being performed. Shouldn't the judges be choosing the weakest dances rather the strongest dance as their choice?

The whole show needs a complete revamp. I'd sack Shirley and remove Couple's Choice which is just random nonsense. I'd bring the Showdance to the semi-final and make the finalists do one new dance, their worst dance and their own choice in the final. Every contestant should have to do a minimum of a Waltz, a Foxtrot, a Tango and a Quickstep by a certain point in the series - say QF. I'd have everyone have to choose to do either a Rumba or an Argentine Tango (the 2 hardest no ballroom dances if marked properly) but not both, no later than the SF.

Tens should be awarded for nothing less than a professional-level dance. We should expect to see marks as low as three on a regular basis.

[Mystic Mock]

They didn't pick Molly's Paso or Fleur's AT?:conf:

[Mystic Mock]

3 of favourite dances being couples choice, removes what little credibility this series has left as a dance competition. We have a grand final with only one ballroom dance out of the 9 being performed. Shouldn't the judges be choosing the weakest dances rather the strongest dance as their choice?

The whole show needs a complete revamp. I'd sack Shirley and remove Couple's Choice which is just random nonsense. I'd bring the Showdance to the semi-final and make the finalists do one new dance, their worst dance and their own choice in the final. Every contestant should have to do a minimum of a Waltz, a Foxtrot, a Tango and a Quickstep by a certain point in the series - say QF. I'd have everyone have to choose to do either a Rumba or an Argentine Tango (the 2 hardest no ballroom dances if marked properly) but not both, no later than the SF.

Tens should be awarded for nothing less than a professional-level dance. We should expect to see marks as low as three on a regular basis.

The Show is too soft nowadays to do what you're suggesting sadly.

[joeysteele]

For me.
They look a surprising selection and not the better of the series.

Plus for me only likely, I've found the enjoyment of Strictly this year spoiled a lot of the time by inappropriate music selection for the dance routines.

I always moan at the judges I know, I am sick of Shirley's inconsistent voting and bias particularly even more this series.
However the music has been dire as to the dance routines it's been assigned to.

I think Hamza is likely to win, however I hope I'm wrong.
As his last few dances have been only in the main standing about a lot doing lifts.
Plus I'm still stunned at the votes he got for that dire tedious waltz he did last week.

I hope Fleur or Helen win this.

Overall however, I haven't enjoyed this series anywhere near as much as previous ones.
Far too much time given to and taken by and for the judges.
Who frankly are just really annoying to me more now.
Rant over.

[Nicky91]

3 of favourite dances being couples choice, removes what little credibility this series has left as a dance competition. We have a grand final with only one ballroom dance out of the 9 being performed. Shouldn't the judges be choosing the weakest dances rather the strongest dance as their choice?

The whole show needs a complete revamp. I'd sack Shirley and remove Couple's Choice which is just random nonsense. I'd bring the Showdance to the semi-final and make the finalists do one new dance, their worst dance and their own choice in the final. Every contestant should have to do a minimum of a Waltz, a Foxtrot, a Tango and a Quickstep by a certain point in the series - say QF. I'd have everyone have to choose to do either a Rumba or an Argentine Tango (the 2 hardest no ballroom dances if marked properly) but not both, no later than the SF.

Tens should be awarded for nothing less than a professional-level dance. We should expect to see marks as low as three on a regular basis.

couples choice is not a random nonsense, what do you know anyway


3 different sets of dance styles

Fleur: street/commercial
Helen: theatre/jazz
Hamza: afrobeat

[Vanessa]

I was so annoyed that Will never got to dance his tango/AT. Ballroom is is strength and it's madness not to give him ballroom in the semifinals.
Nancy needs to remember that for next year. Keep a ballroom for the semifinal.

[Nicky91]

some nice concept changes for strictly would be

indeed fairer scoring, and no 8's 9's 10's in early weeks unless they really really deserve those high marks


more variation in themed weeks maybe and label them differently too for a refreshing change
Halloween Week to be Horror Night

Movie Week to be Film & TV Tunes

get rid of musicals night, go with around the world week again

or a Magic Moments Week for all couple's choice/freestyles all in one week only

one week of Jury Team Dances + 80's or 90's Week

Blackpool night i should be combining with Eurovision Night, lots of over the top cheesiness, fun, drama

the semi finals being Two Dances + Impro Dance Extreme (with a live draw on the night itself who gets which dance assigned and 1 minute 30 seconds to come with a back to basics routine)


the grand final
Jury Dance with a new song
Showdance but even bigger than before, more over the top like a music video or movie feel
Favourite Dance



change of hosts
a male/female combo for me personally
Anton Du Beke & AJ Odudu


my judges line up
Craig Revel Horwood
Motsi Mabuse
Natalie Lowe
AJ Pritchard


and 16 celebrities instead of the uneven 15, more equality in terms of 8 male and 8 female pro's who get a partner, lesser on the bench

[Nicky91]

Fleur & Vito

Judges’ Pick: Samba to Hot Hot Hot by Arrow 9

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Destiny’s Child Megamix by Destiny’s Child 10

Show Dance: Find Me by Sigma featuring Birdy 10


Helen & Gorka

Judges’ Pick: Jive to Tightrope by Janelle Monáe 1000.0

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Mein Herr by Liza Minnelli (from Cabaret) 1000.0

Show Dance: Shine by Emeli Sandé 1000000000.0


Molly & Carlos

Judges’ Pick: Quickstep to Love On Top by Beyoncé 10

Favourite Dance: Rumba to All The Man That I Need by Whitney Houston 10

Show Dance: Kiss/1999 by Prince 10


Hamza & Jowita

Judges’ Pick: Salsa to Ecuador by Sash! featuring Rodriguez 10

Favourite Dance: Couple's Choice to Jerusalema - Remix by Master KG featuring Burna Boy and Nomcebo Zikode 10

Show Dance: Let’s Face The Music And Dance by Irving Berlin 10



Featuring a guest performance by Florence and the Machine.


my personal score predictions in bold

[GoldHeart]

Thank goodness everyone has the right choices for the final!

I agree ,but I'm surprised Molly & Carlos picked Rumba instead of the paso or something.

[GoldHeart]

They didn't pick Molly's Paso or Fleur's AT?:conf:

Yeah I'm surprised by this aswell . Also to add , I'm surprised Helen didn't get the quickstep ..as that was her first outstanding turning point dance I thought.

[Vanessa]

Nor everyone doing their couples choice :skull:

[Nicky91]

Nor everyone doing their couples choice :skull:

except Molly, and understandable her fave dance being the rumba, with the king of rumba as her partner

[Nicky91]

I agree ,but I'm surprised Molly & Carlos picked Rumba instead of the paso or something.

because that was a stunning performance + Carlos is a rumba specialist & one of her favourite songs


she has 3 good dances i think, also in terms of contrast (1 ballroom, showdance with 2 very great prince classic hits, and a slow dance)


same goes for Hamza (Salsa, a ballroom inspired showdance very likely, Afrobeat CC)


Helen also i think (Jive, i think an emotional showdance, Jazz CC)


only Fleur who lacks contrast, everything very fast

[Mystic Mock]

For me.
They look a surprising selection and not the better of the series.

Plus for me only likely, I've found the enjoyment of Strictly this year spoiled a lot of the time by inappropriate music selection for the dance routines.

I always moan at the judges I know, I am sick of Shirley's inconsistent voting and bias particularly even more this series.
However the music has been dire as to the dance routines it's been assigned to.

I think Hamza is likely to win, however I hope I'm wrong.
As his last few dances have been only in the main standing about a lot doing lifts.
Plus I'm still stunned at the votes he got for that dire tedious waltz he did last week.

I hope Fleur or Helen win this.

Overall however, I haven't enjoyed this series anywhere near as much as previous ones.
Far too much time given to and taken by and for the judges.
Who frankly are just really annoying to me more now.
Rant over.

I agree with you Joey on most of your points, especially the judges.

In particular Shirley & Anton are in a contest for who can be the most annoying to watch, and I normally like Anton but he doesn't suit being a judge imo.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah I'm surprised by this aswell . Also to add , I'm surprised Helen didn't get the quickstep ..as that was her first outstanding turning point dance I thought.

What a coincidence that Hamza gets his two most popular dances for the final though.:think:

[GoldHeart]

What a coincidence that Hamza gets his two most popular dances for the final though.:think:


Has this ever happened before??? . Well I don't know what to make of it ,as now the rag tabloid is printing about Hamza dancing when he was younger. So it feels like they're trying to push for a Helen win,but then why not give her the Quickstep ....and why are the media trying to sabotage Hamza by printing that :rolleyes:.

Oh well I'll still enjoy the routines,even if some of the choices are unexpected.

Also I'm fed up of hearing about 'previous dance experience ' , when 90% of celebrities have danced before in their life!!! :joker: . Or had some fitness advantage.

Like I've said time after time again, if people want a competition with total dance virgins & zero advantage,then all the contestants would be news readers & politicians ,and it would be very boring.

[Nicky91]

Has this ever happened before??? . Well I don't know what to make of it ,as now the rag tabloid is printing about Hamza dancing when he was younger. So it feels like they're trying to push for a Helen win,but then why not give her the Quickstep ....and why are the media trying to sabotage Hamza by printing that :rolleyes:.

Oh well I'll still enjoy the routines,even if some of the choices are unexpected.

Also I'm fed up of hearing about 'previous dance experience ' , when 90% of celebrities have danced before in their life!!! :joker: . Or had some fitness advantage.

Like I've said time after time again, if people want a competition with total dance virgins & zero advantage,then all the contestants would be news readers & politicians ,and it would be very boring.

Helen has zero experience, from nothing to this perfect dancer :clap1: :clap1:

[Anglooo]

Today's press shows video of Hamza dancing on stage in front of an audience ten years ago. including Pasa Doble "to an advanced level"; and salsa.

The accusation is on video, so scarcely disputable. It also includes quotation from "Yassin" stating that he had never danced before Strictly.

The comment above from Mystick Mock just prompts me to believe that BBC manipulates the audience in the way no public service should. So it has an agenda in seeking to promote Hamza to becoming the new Sir David Attenborough; but if it were to pursue such a goal in underhand manner by manipulating viewers' votes, the BBC would merely go down a route where his career will be tarnished.

He seems like a nice chap. One could also wonder whether the BBC told him to hush up his previous extensive dance lessons and experience and performace.

This evening's final needs to be reviewed. If the BBC do not take immediate action now that their cat, or, to maintain the wildlife theme, raging tiger is out of the bag, the controversy will rage on well into 2023 and will also tarnish the Come Dancing story of 75 years in the way it should not be allowed to. The first disqualified champion?

The BBC is quick to air ACCUSATIONS against European EU officials in the Qatargate scandal this week because it suits their own highly questionable agenda.

The lack of transparancy in Strictly voting has stunk for years. Given the many possible methods of voting, we can be sure some smug BBC administrator is sitting there ready to juggle the facts and figures to justify in the face of any accusation.

The BBC has every chance to to make voting visible, transparent, fun - in the way the more creative European broadcasting organisation does in the annual song contest.

That the BBC has any agenda would be worrying in a world where those who are BEST should be promoted, not slow-tracked because their personal profile doesn't rank favourably against others'.

That such an agenda might be allowed to manifiest itself, with such scant respect for the viewers at large, is a mere reconfirmation of what many have felt for some years.

If the Final goes ahead regardless of today's press revelation in an attempt to sweep this tiger under the carpet, we can be sure that Qatargate will be a tiny back door in comparison with the Brandenburg-scale Hamzagate that will dominate the months to come.

[Nicky91]

welcome to the forum :wavey:

and Hamza has said after week 1, he had secret dance lessons just one week before the launch show or something

[Nicky91]

also who posts this pile of garbage again, of course the know it all stupid media site The Sun :laugh2: wonder how much of it is actually true


was it actually Hamza who they saw in that video, or some other POC with dreadlocks (knowing the scum i wouldn't be surprised if they made 95% of it up with 5% of truths)

[Anglooo]

No Nicky, not The Sun. Best to keep it factual, please.

[Nicky91]

No Nicky, not The Sun. Best to keep it factual, please.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/20784083/strictly-fix-row-hamza-yassin-dancing-past/

oh yeah what's this then not you having to make me click on a link from that vile rubbish so called newspaper

[Nicky91]

a bunch of made up nonsense


whats next Helen has PERFECT HEALTH CONDITION due to her many years of marathons, kayakking, which helped her through all these weeks of HARD TRAINING


whatever the sun can do, i can do it better :laugh:

[Anglooo]

Whilst I bow to your great experience with 58,571 posts, dear Nicky, the video I refer to was not on The Sun site.

True, I am a mere novice and clearly prone to all mannner of mistakes as I dip my toe into this new pool of experience with my first post, but at least I have a 100% accuracy rate.

[Nicky91]

no on the mirror site

you're correct


in terms of all this, Molly at least has been honest from moment one about her stage school background (ok she has been punished for it with all those dance offs, but lying about something like this seems worse in my opinion, good for Hamza this only comes out now, not many weeks back otherwise he would've been a likely candidate for a shock exit/shock dance off)

[Kazanne]

Molly's showdance sounds amazing.

I like Molly,I think she is a bit underrated.

[Anglooo]

Certainly I am naive, dear Nicky 91.

I greatly appreciate that you correct yourself, thank you.

So let's reset. You wrote in relation to may maiden post:

"also who posts this pile of garbage again"

Clearly as a newbie, this was most unsettling to read.

Now that you realise your inaccuracy, what are your thoughts on my maiden post?

I see you are a great advocate for deceit, when describing "Yassin" you write: "good for Hamza this only comes out now"

Vardy needed your logic.

[Nicky91]

Certainly I am naive, dear Nicky 91.

I greatly appreciate that you correct yourself, thank you.

So let's reset. You wrote in relation to may maiden post:

"also who posts this pile of garbage again"

Clearly as a newbie, this was most unsettling to read.

Now that you realise your inaccuracy, what are your thoughts on my maiden post?

I see you are a great advocate for deceit, when describing "Yassin" you write: "good for Hamza this only comes out now"

Vardy needed your logic.

i don't advocate deceit? i more meant it in a way ''good for Hamza himself this news only comes out now otherwise he would have been in more dance offs''


but honestly another shady thing going on, 3/4 finalists with their couples choice, and BBC kinda sabotaged Molly not having a genuine couples choice but one with grange hill theme tune a show which was long before she was even born, couples choice is a personal story with a dance style of their choice (other than the normal 10 dance and specialty dance)


in all fairness there should be one particular ''magic moments'' week for the couples choices, like they do on the german version

[Vanessa]

I like Molly,I think she is a bit underrated.

I like her. It's Carlos I'm not keen on.

[Anglooo]

You clearly advocate deceit. Kindly take control of your words.

[Nicky91]

You clearly advocate deceit. Kindly take control of your words.

no

but just saying i believe that to be true, if that article was published some weeks back, i like to think he wouldn't have been a finalist (same what happened to Danny John-Jules when that negative media article about him came out, him abusing his dance partner Amy, not knowing if it were to be true but negative publicity always hurts a contestant's chances)


and i don't advocate deceit, he's not my favourite anyway, he lacks a bit of star quality for my liking, he doesn't give me ''winner vibes'' either, unlike what i had with Lili & Massimo, Kelvin & Oti, Rose & Giovanni


for me personally someone like Molly has exactly that extra bit of oomph, star quality

[Strictly Jake]

Angloo I wouldn't bother getting into a debate with Nicky, the rest of us are used to him he flips his opinions minutely, he can completely hate someone on strictly and then a minute later they will be his absolute favourite. So I wouldnt bother

[Nicky91]

Angloo I wouldn't bother getting into a debate with Nicky, the rest of us are used to him he flips his opinions minutely, he can completely hate someone on strictly and then a minute later they will be his absolute favourite. So I wouldnt bother

only on this forum though? never have i ever flip flopped my opinions in real life

more because i feel cornered, alone in my opinions

[Anglooo]

Thanks Jake.

I'm not so worried about who my favourite is, we are all entitled to that view. Anyway, Elly T was eliminated!

I just read today's article and video as incontrovertibly true and yet another example of BBC shady behaviour - when they want to pontificate on how everyone should behave, and think.

Enjoy the show!

[Crimson Dynamo]

So Hamza is a ringer

No wonder the BBC as desperate for him to win

:facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

Has this ever happened before??? . Well I don't know what to make of it ,as now the rag tabloid is printing about Hamza dancing when he was younger. So it feels like they're trying to push for a Helen win,but then why not give her the Quickstep ....and why are the media trying to sabotage Hamza by printing that :rolleyes:.

Oh well I'll still enjoy the routines,even if some of the choices are unexpected.

Also I'm fed up of hearing about 'previous dance experience ' , when 90% of celebrities have danced before in their life!!! :joker: . Or had some fitness advantage.

Like I've said time after time again, if people want a competition with total dance virgins & zero advantage,then all the contestants would be news readers & politicians ,and it would be very boring.

I didn't know that the Media had printed negative press about Hamza, that's interesting information.

And I agree with you on the dance experience argument, as long as it's not someone that's a dancer for a living I don't see the issue.

[Mystic Mock]

Today's press shows video of Hamza dancing on stage in front of an audience ten years ago. including Pasa Doble "to an advanced level"; and salsa.

The accusation is on video, so scarcely disputable. It also includes quotation from "Yassin" stating that he had never danced before Strictly.

The comment above from Mystick Mock just prompts me to believe that BBC manipulates the audience in the way no public service should. So it has an agenda in seeking to promote Hamza to becoming the new Sir David Attenborough; but if it were to pursue such a goal in underhand manner by manipulating viewers' votes, the BBC would merely go down a route where his career will be tarnished.

He seems like a nice chap. One could also wonder whether the BBC told him to hush up his previous extensive dance lessons and experience and performace.

This evening's final needs to be reviewed. If the BBC do not take immediate action now that their cat, or, to maintain the wildlife theme, raging tiger is out of the bag, the controversy will rage on well into 2023 and will also tarnish the Come Dancing story of 75 years in the way it should not be allowed to. The first disqualified champion?

The BBC is quick to air ACCUSATIONS against European EU officials in the Qatargate scandal this week because it suits their own highly questionable agenda.

The lack of transparancy in Strictly voting has stunk for years. Given the many possible methods of voting, we can be sure some smug BBC administrator is sitting there ready to juggle the facts and figures to justify in the face of any accusation.

The BBC has every chance to to make voting visible, transparent, fun - in the way the more creative European broadcasting organisation does in the annual song contest.

That the BBC has any agenda would be worrying in a world where those who are BEST should be promoted, not slow-tracked because their personal profile doesn't rank favourably against others'.

That such an agenda might be allowed to manifiest itself, with such scant respect for the viewers at large, is a mere reconfirmation of what many have felt for some years.

If the Final goes ahead regardless of today's press revelation in an attempt to sweep this tiger under the carpet, we can be sure that Qatargate will be a tiny back door in comparison with the Brandenburg-scale Hamzagate that will dominate the months to come.

Welcome to the Forum.:)

And I agree with you 100%

[Nicky91]

So Hamza is a ringer

No wonder the BBC as desperate for him to win

:facepalm:

:umm2:

the BBC never want those with dance experience to win, they usually steer for the novices, but if Hamza held this info back, that is kinda being deceitful indeed

so we don't know what Jowita's teaching skills are like then, or well we do, from last years xmas special, unless Adrian Chiles has any secret dance background nobody knows of :laugh3:


like i keep saying, BBC want Helen as the winner

[GoldHeart]

So Hamza is a ringer

No wonder the BBC as desperate for him to win

:facepalm:

By that silly logic, most the celebrity's are
'ringers' then . An image of Hamza doing a dance routine , from God knows when ...does not equal 'professional dancer ' .

If Brendan Cole re entered Strictly as a celebrity learning routines,then I could understand the fuss ... but That's not it . Helen is going to win anyway.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I take it he made his dancing experience quite clear in the first episode?

[Anglooo]

The article states: "In October he also claimed never to have danced with a partner apart from some Gaelic dancing."

And that he said: "“I like dancing in the shower...."

And also: "The former Bangor student said: “There were many rehearsals leading up to any shows. As you can tell in the videos, he was rehearsed. The fact that I recall him in the club indicates he was involved for some time.”

Most sinister of all:

"The BBC declined to comment when approached by the Mirror about the video of his university dance exploits."

Either:
I am a twit and have misunderstood.
Or:
The Mirror article is hocus-pocus.
Or:
There is a lot of explaining to be done.

NB: this is not based on "an image" but of dance videos on stage. Why would he talk about dancing in the shower rather than remembering dancing salsa and paso doble on stage?

[Anglooo]

Mystic Mock: I greatly appreciate such feedback from someone with over 50,000 comments.

[Crimson Dynamo]

rigged

[Nicky91]

who cares?

[Nicky91]

this is not important as Hamza is not going to win :idc:


people never vote for judges pets so

[GoldHeart]

The article states: "In October he also claimed never to have danced with a partner apart from some Gaelic dancing."

And that he said: "“I like dancing in the shower...."

And also: "The former Bangor student said: “There were many rehearsals leading up to any shows. As you can tell in the videos, he was rehearsed. The fact that I recall him in the club indicates he was involved for some time.”

Most sinister of all:

"The BBC declined to comment when approached by the Mirror about the video of his university dance exploits."

Either:
I am a twit and have misunderstood.
Or:
The Mirror article is hocus-pocus.
Or:
There is a lot of explaining to be done.

NB: this is not based on "an image" but of dance videos on stage. Why would he talk about dancing in the shower rather than remembering dancing salsa and paso doble on stage?

And yet nobody cared when Jill Halfpenny had previous dance experience.

Or Joe McFadden ,who from what I heard performed on stage ballroom prior to strictly.


Caroline Flack took part in a disabled version of strictly, so already gained dance experience before she won strictly.

Kimberly Wyatt was also a dancer beforehand .

Those are just a few I can think of.

Like I said if people hate dance experience ,then the competition would be full of Anne widdecombs & ed Balls .

It's impossible for strictly not to have contestants with some advantages in dance .

It's funny how nobody minds dancing on ice ,which I always found unfair when not everyone has ever set foot on the ice , Clearly some people have dabbled in ice skating though so will have an advantage.

Maybe BBC should axe strictly,seen as there's too much media bs & people get their knickers in a twist every year over "dance experience".

People seemed fine with the sister show 'strictly dance fever ' , as that was always clear about the contestants all being dancers . Difference being they were non celebrity.

[Nicky91]

who is Anglooo a multi of?


if BBC axe strictly, then also no more shows on ITV and Channel 4 pls


id you british trolls take everything away from me, only focus on the stupid troll news :yuk:

[GoldHeart]

I'm just fed up of every year people moaning about "dance experience" & "ringers" , yet these same people never have the same energy for the Jill Halfpenny's or the Joe McFadden's :idc: . Certain people get free passes ,yet others get grief & rubbish written in the rags about them . It's double standards.

I personally don't care who has or hasn't got previous dance experience, as long as it's not a professional dancer like Michael Flatley , then I don't see the problem. Most of them have a fitness advantage discipline or some dance experience, it's life..... so what :shrug: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jill was a wonderful dancer and winner

so much better that the current lot

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/336xn/p00wpfj6.jpg

[Anglooo]

Today's revelation indicates that the BBC have used this year's competition to force through to stardom someone they have earmarked for success in coming years.

At the expense of others more worthy.
At the expense of the integrity of the contest.
At the expense of the viewers and voters.
At the expense of other entrants who had never had dance lessons or danced on stage.

Manipulation by a quango.

Or the quango has been hoodwinked.

Nicky91, I am trying hard to ignore you but your inaccuracies are delightfully irresistible:

"who is Anglooo a multi of?" please translate.
"who cares?" - with 58,989 posts, you clearly do.

[Kate!]

Today's revelation indicates that the BBC have used this year's competition to force through to stardom someone they have earmarked for success in coming years.

At the expense of others more worthy.
At the expense of the integrity of the contest.
At the expense of the viewers and voters.
At the expense of other entrants who had never had dance lessons or danced on stage.

Manipulation by a quango.

Or the quango has been hoodwinked.

Nicky91, I am trying hard to ignore you but your inaccuracies are delightfully irresistible:

"who is Anglooo a multi of?" please translate.
"who cares?" - with 58,989 posts, you clearly do.

I think you've started out on the wrong foot here by attacking our Nicky. Rewind and erase.

[pontooner]

And yet nobody cared when Jill Halfpenny had previous dance experience.

Or Joe McFadden ,who from what I heard performed on stage ballroom prior to strictly.


Caroline Flack took part in a disabled version of strictly, so already gained dance experience before she won strictly.

Kimberly Wyatt was also a dancer beforehand .

Those are just a few I can think of.

Like I said if people hate dance experience ,then the competition would be full of Anne widdecombs & ed Balls .

It's impossible for strictly not to have contestants with some advantages in dance .

It's funny how nobody minds dancing on ice ,which I always found unfair when not everyone has ever set foot on the ice , Clearly some people have dabbled in ice skating though so will have an advantage.

Maybe BBC should axe strictly,seen as there's too much media bs & people get their knickers in a twist every year over "dance experience".

People seemed fine with the sister show 'strictly dance fever ' , as that was always clear about the contestants all being dancers . Difference being they were non celebrity.

The true amateurs to win Strictly were the cricketers Darren Gough and Mark Ramprakash. When a hard ball is being bowled at your head at 90 mph you have to have natural dancing feet.

Strictly is soft as ****e now - the next stage in reducing credibility will be giving everyone 2 X couples choice dances to wave arms and legs around and not make the celebs do anything too difficult like the nasty Foxtrot or Waltz.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The true amateurs to win Strictly were the cricketers Darren Gough and Mark Ramprakash. When a hard ball is being bowled at your head at 90 mph you have to have natural dancing feet.

Strictly is soft as ****e now - the next stage in reducing credibility will be giving everyone 2 X couples choice dances to wave arms and legs around and not make the celebs do anything too difficult like the nasty Foxtrot or Waltz.

the show jumped the shark years ago by pandering to the woke crowd

terrified of not being inclusive id be amazed if they dont have a Vulcan and Black Mermaid and a Trans Lepricaun next year

[pontooner]

the show jumped the shark years ago by pandering to the woke crowd

terrified of not being inclusive id be amazed if they dont have a Vulcan and Black Mermaid and a Trans Lepricaun next year

I wouldn't care if they did - provided they are required to do ballroom and latin dances, in hold and are marked properly.

The wokeism for me is that introduction of contemporary and street / commercial etc - non-traditional dances, once you do that why not have cheerleader dancing, or why not have tap or even ballet. Of course, they would never allow ballet - far too elitist...

[Anglooo]

I think you've started out on the wrong foot here by attacking our Nicky. Rewind and erase.

I think you have missed the point.

"Our" Nicky doesn't exist for me, but thanks for the exclusion as a newbie.

I'm only interested in what is right.

[Kate!]

I think you have missed the point.

"Our" Nicky doesn't exist for me, but thanks for the exclusion as a newbie.

I'm only interested in what is right.

Apologies. I didn't mean to make you feel excluded. Of course you are welcome here. It was just that Nicky felt attacked that I wanted to point out. My bad.

[Anglooo]

Lowest judges' scores.

Wins.

Transparent scores?

BBC at its typical worst. Won't finish here.....

[Mystic Mock]

Mystic Mock: I greatly appreciate such feedback from someone with over 50,000 comments.

That's crazy to think that I've done that many posts on here.:joker:

Especially when I've nearly been permanently banned on a few occasions.:joker:

[GoldHeart]

Final performances

Fleur & Molly the BEST of the night , so much class and style . Fleur edged Molly . I'm so happy they got to the final to dance all their routines again, it was thrilling to watch :cheer2: .


Helen& Hamza have been on such a journey and i was so happy whoever won between them , Helen has gained such confidence and Hamza has such loveable energy :love: .

I liked all 4 . So whether people think the judges had favouritism or whether the producers were pushing certain celebs to win . I still enjoyed it all round . And well done to Hamza he deserves it :clap1: .

Like i said there's been previous series' where the contestants were underserving yet still won . So i don't understand the fuss here , as atleast Hamza is a humble genuine guy .

And at the end of the day we all know strictly is a popularity contest , and he was voted the winner . So he's clearly well liked ......with or without bias judging. So yes the judges are messy , but Hamza did some outstanding performances, and he was a nice guy about it .

[Mystic Mock]

Final performances

Fleur & Molly the BEST of the night , so much class and style . Fleur edged Molly . I'm so happy they got to the final to dance all their routines again, it was thrilling to watch :cheer2: .


Helen& Hamza have been on such a journey and i was so happy whoever won between them , Helen has gained such confidence and Hamza has such loveable energy :love: .

I liked all 4 . So whether people think the judges had favouritism or whether the producers were pushing certain celebs to win . I still enjoyed it all round . And well done to Hamza he deserves it :clap1: .

Like i said there's been previous series' where the contestants were underserving yet still won . So i don't understand the fuss here , as atleast Hamza is a humble genuine guy .

And at the end of the day we all know strictly is a popularity contest , and he was voted the winner . So he's clearly well liked ......with or without bias judging. So yes the judges are messy , but Hamza did some outstanding performances, and he was a nice guy about it .

No one is denying that Hamza is a nice guy.

But like Rose last year the standards have dropped dancing wise, because even with Bill Bailey the year before I would say that his Paso Doble, Quickstep, Couples Choice, Metallica Tango & his Showdance were all really standout performances imo, yes Hrvy and Maisie were technically better dancers, but Bill was also at a high standard as well.

And then bizarrely afterwards we get Rose win where all of her dances blend into being one and the same, and Hamza imo lives off two dances.

Personally I'm with you on not understanding why only Hamza is being pulled up for this when Rose won just last year, but two underwhelming winners back to back imo.

[GoldHeart]

No one is denying that Hamza is a nice guy.

But like Rose last year the standards have dropped dancing wise, because even with Bill Bailey the year before I would say that his Paso Doble, Quickstep, Couples Choice, Metallica Tango & his Showdance were all really standout performances imo, yes Hrvy and Maisie were technically better dancers, but Bill was also at a high standard as well.

And then bizarrely afterwards we get Rose win where all of her dances blend into being one and the same, and Hamza imo lives off two dances.

Personally I'm with you on not understanding why only Hamza is being pulled up for this when Rose won just last year, but two underwhelming winners back to back imo.

I didn't watch last year's,I only saw a bit of Rose dancing,but I got the impression she got alot of sympathy. She wasn't an awful dancer ...but yeah I see what you mean.

Over the years ...I've noticed some showdances aren't as exciting anymore aswell.

This is the confusing thing though,you can tell Hamza didn't have alot of experience ....yet the media rags tried to expose him for being some secret Michael Flatley:rolleyes: ,which is silly. When he struggled in some dances , just like Will & Helen struggled in some of their dances aswell. Hamza was nervous in his showdance...but I think he still did ok.

The public like supporting people who have less dance experience.