What a frickin fix! Pfffft.

[Kate!]

Really? Wtf are the public thinking?

Hamza was, by far, the weakest of the four finalists. He shouldn't even have been there.

[Vanessa]

It's Bill Bailey all over again

[Kate!]

It's Bill Bailey all over again

Omg thats EXACTLY what I was thinking. He shouldn't have won either. Yas Vanessa.

[Strictly Jake]

Firstly I love you girls you know that....but you are both wrong. Bill absolutely deserved the win in his year

Plus Hamza is just the loveliest guy he's adorable and so is Jowita and I absolutely love his dances tonight apart from his showdance. Overall Fleur was the strongest tonight but she was a dancer long before a singer so of course she would be. I'm gutted she didn't win. But whoever won tonight I'd have been happy with I loved all of them. Hamza is such a lovely person I don't get why anyone could be angry at his win

[Kate!]

Aww Jake. Bless you. I'm annoyed at the public rather than Hamza himself. They really got it wrong.

[Kate!]

He looked embarrassed to win.

[Strictly Jake]

Even right at the end you could see him saying to Jowita to take the glitterball and she was saying to him no you deserve it take it take it. He's such a lovely guy he really is. And genuinely too. You can tell when someone has a fake niceness, Hamza is one of the most genuine loveliest people. I don't get how anyone can't be blown away by his salsa and couples choice either

[Kate!]

Even right at the end you could see him saying to Jowita to take the glitterball and she was saying to him no you deserve it take it take it. He's such a lovely guy he really is. And genuinely too. You can tell when someone has a fake niceness, Hamza is one of the most genuine loveliest people. I don't get how anyone can't be blown away by his salsa and couples choice either

Yes but he was just not on a par with any of the three girls tonight.

They all blew him out the water.

[Kate!]

And Bill should have been embarrassed too. The public robbed Maisie and Hrvy.

[Parmy]

Yes but he was just not on a par with any of the three girls tonight.

They all blew him out the water.

No wonder he was to tired to smile at the end.

[Mystic Mock]

Sadly the public just didn't like Fleur & Molly.

And I'd say that Helen needed her other two dances on the night to be at the level of her last dance.

Personally I feel like the standard of winner does need to get much better though, Rose & Hamza were poor most weeks and that needs to change.

[Mystic Mock]

Firstly I love you girls you know that....but you are both wrong. Bill absolutely deserved the win in his year

Plus Hamza is just the loveliest guy he's adorable and so is Jowita and I absolutely love his dances tonight apart from his showdance. Overall Fleur was the strongest tonight but she was a dancer long before a singer so of course she would be. I'm gutted she didn't win. But whoever won tonight I'd have been happy with I loved all of them. Hamza is such a lovely person I don't get why anyone could be angry at his win

I agree about Bill.

He had a Metallica Tango fgs.:laugh:

[Kate!]

I blame Shirley for forcing Hamza down the publics throats.

[pontooner]

I blame Shirley for forcing Hamza down the publics throats.

Quite, and also bringing Craig RH into line when he was criticizing him in earlier weeks. Motsi just overmarks everyone so does Anton.

Len and Darcy were great as very neutral judges - no standing up wailing from them.

Show needs a massive reset - its lost 5 million viewers since 2012.

[Alf]

The racist British public strikes again.

[UserSince2005]

got to make the black man feel special because some criminal in america got killed a few years by the police.

[Barry.]

Really? Wtf are the public thinking?

Hamza was, by far, the weakest of the four finalists. He shouldn't even have been there.

Tbf he was the strongest overall so I’m happy he won. It’s not a fox because your favourite didn’t win.

[GoldHeart]

Wow chill , atleast Hamza can actually dance .

I'm pleased for Hamza ... well done to him :clap1: , he's much better than previous overrated dancers who get praised to death in past strictly series!.

Yes Shirley is a mess , but that's not Hamza's fault . He's a lovely guy who put the effort in.

For me Fleur was the best technically , and she edged Molly . But overall i liked all 4 and all of them should be so proud of themselves especially for getting to the final :cheer2:.

[arista]

Really? Wtf are the public thinking?

Hamza was, by far, the weakest of the four finalists. He shouldn't even have been there.


Yes he has a BBC Job
Doing Nature shows.

[Kate!]

Tbf he was the strongest overall so I’m happy he won. It’s not a fox because your favourite didn’t win.

Oh now, I can't agree at all. He was hyped to the max to the win by Shirley. The bias was undeniable.

[Kate!]

Wow chill , atleast Hamza can actually dance .

I'm pleased for Hamza ... well done to him :clap1: , he's much better than previous overrated dancers who get praised to death in past strictly series!.

Yes Shirley is a mess , but that's not Hamza's fault . He's a lovely guy who put the effort in.

For me Fleur was the best technically , and she edged Molly . But overall i liked all 4 and all of them should be so proud of themselves especially for getting to the final :cheer2:.

We know it's not Hamza's fault and yes he can boogie but he wasn't a patch on any of the girls and it screams fix. Shirley hyped him to death fgs. Even Craig gave him a ten over Molly who nailed it so completely. Hamza looked mortified and embarrassed to win tbh.

[GoldHeart]

We know it's not Hamza's fault and yes he can boogie but he wasn't a patch on any of the girls and it screams fix. Shirley hyped him to death fgs. Even Craig gave him a ten over Molly who nailed it so completely. Hamza looked mortified and embarrassed to win tbh.

Well the BBC should release the voting stats , but they never do .

I'm shocked Molly didn't get a perfect 40 ! insane :facepalm: .

Like i said previous series ...i've thought the same , when the best dancers get hate in the media or they lose support for no reason. It isn't fair. But i liked all 4 contestants so well done to them all , they should be proud .

I don't think Hamza expected to win ... i think that's all it is , i always knew it was between him & Helen though .

[Kate!]

Well the BBC should release the voting stats , but they never do .

I'm shocked Molly didn't get a perfect 40 ! insane :facepalm: .

Like i said previous series ...i've thought the same , when the best dancers get hate in the media or they lose support for no reason. It isn't fair. But i liked all 4 contestants so well done to them all , they should be proud .

I don't think Hamza expected to win ... i think that's all it is , i always knew it was between him & Helen though .

I agree he didn't expect to win. I think he knew himself he wasn't as good as the three girls. He really did look embarrassed. They are human, they and their partners must surely have felt robbed. Gorka was apparently fuming. I don't blame him.

[Mystic Mock]

Quite, and also bringing Craig RH into line when he was criticizing him in earlier weeks. Motsi just overmarks everyone so does Anton.

Len and Darcy were great as very neutral judges - no standing up wailing from them.

Show needs a massive reset - its lost 5 million viewers since 2012.

I feel like the Show needs to fill the missing roles of what Len & Darcy brought to the Show.

I think one of Motsi or Anton as a Bruno figure is fine, but both is overkill imo, and Shirley doesn't fill the Len quota very well due to how bias she is.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf he was the strongest overall so I’m happy he won. It’s not a fox because your favourite didn’t win.

Was he the strongest though? I remember him being average most weeks.

I do agree with you that it's not a vote fix though, fixing in other areas though I am more open to.

[AnnieK]

I thought Helen should have won, her and Gorka were my picks from early on and they danced great last night.

I'm happy for Hamza and Jowita though....I have such a girl crush on her :laugh:

[Nicky91]

and yet i am a drama queen :hehe:

[joeysteele]

I actually think Hamza will have won by a good margin if we ever were to get the voting figures.

Definitely not my choice to win on the final night.
However I've expected this for weeks as really he has been overmarked by the judges week after week.

I agree with Mock, that Fleur and Molly likely didn't have the public voting base.
That's unfortunate because they really stepped up in the final.

There was likely only Helen of the last 4 who could have had the chance to win over Hamza.
I fear she too was however a fair way behind Hamza in votes.

It is true however too that now Strictly IS more a popularity contest of the chosen celebrities to be on the show.
Where the actual dancing becomes secondary once the public and even some of the judges, become attached to any particular celebrity.

Well done to Hamza certainly.
He only needed to get more public votes than any of the others which he did manage.
It doesn't alter that in that final he made errors and wasn't the best of the 4 finalists at all.

I do agree with Kate here, those 3 female contestants were awesome in the final.
Definitely one of them should have been rewarded with the win this year.
In my opinion obviously.

[Nicky91]

popularity contest? how when those 3 women are more well known than Hamza was, pre-series

:laugh3:

[GoldHeart]

I agree he didn't expect to win. I think he knew himself he wasn't as good as the three girls. He really did look embarrassed. They are human, they and their partners must surely have felt robbed. Gorka was apparently fuming. I don't blame him.

Gorka needs to calm down, he didn't get this angry I bet when he lost with Alexandra Burke ....and she was ROBBED that year!!. I guess that year he was more bothered about dating Gemma than actually winning :idc: .

And I bet Carlos & Vito just accepted it , it's a competition...they have no say in the winner. Should they get upset with the public .... even though it's always been a public vote.

[Nicky91]

Gorka needs to calm down, he didn't get this angry I bet when he lost with Alexandra Burke ....and she was ROBBED that year!!. I guess that year he was more bothered about dating Gemma than actually winning :idc: .

And I bet Carlos & Vito just accepted it , it's a competition...they have no say in the winner. Should they get upset with the public .... even though it's always been a public vote.

he and Gemma make a nice couple :love: also Gem has nothing to fear from Helen lols (not by far)


make up department are happy this series is over now, many hours busy with Helen each day :laugh3: lol Helen without makeup looks so old

[GoldHeart]

he and Gemma make a nice couple :love: also Gem has nothing to fear from Helen lols (not by far)


make up department are happy this series is over now, many hours busy with Helen each day :laugh3: lol Helen without makeup looks so old



There's nothing wrong with how Helen looks.

Some people look older & some look younger ... that's life. Helen seems like a nice person.

[joeysteele]

popularity contest? how when those 3 women are more well known than Hamza was, pre-series

:laugh3:

Read the post properly Nicky.
Don't just quote 2 words.
Then take them.out of the full context.

I wasn't referring to BEFORE the series but DURING it.

[Nicky91]

Read the post properly Nicky.
Don't just quote 2 words.
Then take them.out of the full context.

I wasn't referring to BEFORE the series but DURING it.

yes, his popularity increased massively during the series, true

and in terms of what bull**** the media writes, i tend to ignore it, because most of the time that is just made up nonsense for clicks, drama, likes



i really thought Helen was a certainty to win it, glad that wasn't the case otherwise i would've never watched this version again, if we talk about someone who could do no wrong in eyes of certain judges (Motsi, Shirley, Anton) and who always got perfect music choices, perfect dresses


and no, i have remained loyal to my fave until he got eliminated and i actually remained neutral right up until last night and i just also thought Hamza had more vote winning dances than the other 3 (good choices anyway, especially their own fave dance choice, Jerusalema is a pure crowdpleaser of a bop and it is always so much more fun to see the pro also just have a good time rather than solely focus on wether her celeb partner is doing things right)


Molly had the better showdance of the 4 i guess, going for something we haven't seen before from her, rather than a best bits one

[Barry.]

Was he the strongest though? I remember him being average most weeks.

I do agree with you that it's not a vote fix though, fixing in other areas though I am more open to.

He topped the leaderboard 5 times, not bad tbh

[GiRTh]

Molly was considered a ringer. Fleur was too much of a try hard and no one likes a try hard.

When a dancer is consistently in the bottom two; no matter how good they are the public are telling the judges they are not going to win. The judges should listen to the public and not have this scenarios where two of the finalist are clearly not popular with the public.

Hamza wasn't the best but Mollie or Fleur didn't stand a chance. I was expecting Helen to win because shes a popular BBC figure. I never thought Mollie or Fleur would win

I also agree with Annie. Hamza partner, the lovely Jowita has quickly become my favourite pro dance. I have a crush on her too.

[Mystic Mock]

popularity contest? how when those 3 women are more well known than Hamza was, pre-series

:laugh3:

Molly wasn't really known before Strictly.

Fleur has always been controversial tbf.

And Helen I feel had a slow first half of the competition, so unfortunately for her that probably harmed her vote versus Hamza who made a more striking impression in the first half of the competition.

[Mystic Mock]

He topped the leaderboard 5 times, not bad tbh

That doesn't really mean he was the best on all of those nights.

And don't forget that Ellie T topped a night with these judges.

I honestly think that if Hamza hadn't have had his Salsa and Couples Choice performances we'd be having another Rose type of winner, where someone completely unremarkable in their performances wins the Show.

I mean it's honestly not the end of the world that he won, and Hamza as a person seems like a really nice guy, but to me it's absurd that the public snubbed Fleur on the night, and tbh in general throughout the series when she probably has the best collection of dances for this particular series.

Along with Molly tbf.

[Nicky91]

Molly wasn't really known before Strictly.

Fleur has always been controversial tbf.

And Helen I feel had a slow first half of the competition, so unfortunately for her that probably harmed her vote versus Hamza who made a more striking impression in the first half of the competition.

Molly is a intergalactic pop superstar

she is the most known celeb to do this show so far

[joeysteele]

That doesn't really mean he was the best on all of those nights.

And don't forget that Ellie T topped a night with these judges.

I honestly think that if Hamza hadn't have had his Salsa and Couples Choice performances we'd be having another Rose type of winner, where someone completely unremarkable in their performances wins the Show.

I mean it's honestly not the end of the world that he won, and Hamza as a person seems like a really nice guy, but to me it's absurd that the public snubbed Fleur on the night, and tbh in general throughout the series when she probably has the best collection of dances for this particular series.

Along with Molly tbf.

I agree with all that.

I do think Strictly needs to assess itself and how the judging is done.
Plus the voting too.

No matter their personal view no judge should be showing preferences for one or more contestants and not others.

Admittedly it is an entertainment show and it is to be fair.

The 3 things I'd do is cut the judges to 3 so no need for a head judge at all to overrule 2 others.

The dance off, I'd scrap doing the same dance already voted on by the judges, and have the dance off couples doing the same dance to be judged on.

I'd also make it that the public vote decides who goes only from the quarter final stage.
That probably wouldn't help but something needs to be done re the public voting too.
I haven't a thought on that.

However there's too much inconsistency from at least 2 of the judging panel as to their comments and then the marks they dish out.
To the ones they like or to the ones they clearly don't care for.
That's NOT professional even in a more light hearted competitive setting.

[GoldHeart]

Molly is a intergalactic pop superstar

she is the most known celeb to do this show so far

I didn't know who Molly was prior to Strictly,but then again ...I usually don't recognise a few of the celebs on these shows :laugh:.

But in the end Molly became a strong favourite of mine along with Fleur :) .

[GoldHeart]

That doesn't really mean he was the best on all of those nights.

And don't forget that Ellie T topped a night with these judges.

I honestly think that if Hamza hadn't have had his Salsa and Couples Choice performances we'd be having another Rose type of winner, where someone completely unremarkable in their performances wins the Show.

I mean it's honestly not the end of the world that he won, and Hamza as a person seems like a really nice guy, but to me it's absurd that the public snubbed Fleur on the night, and tbh in general throughout the series when she probably has the best collection of dances for this particular series.

Along with Molly tbf.

The way I see it ....I'm so use to Strictly doing this , I'm just glad all the finalists were likeable this year. And it's still an amazing achievement that Vito & Carlos made the final ....as newbies.

And I'm still happy for Hamza and his partner and her first win as a newbie.

I know not everyone will agree with me ,but tbh I've seen a ugly side of Gorka... I saw a clip of his reaction.

And lovely Fleur and Molly and even Helen are all cheering Hamza on for winning. And Gorka looks like someone poured salt & vinegar on his cornflakes. Helen had to drag him by the hand to congratulate Hamza.

Does he not think Fleur or Molly wanted to win aswell??? ...look how badly they got treated , if anything Gorka should be happy that he never had to do a dance off with Helen .

Everyone knows what they signed up for with strictly,and loads of celebs have been robbed over the years,yet they just accept defeat graciously :shrug:. His reaction is pure sour arrogance. I'm not a fan of his anymore :bored: .

[Kazanne]

I just watched it on catch up, I really don't think Hamza was Shirleys' favourite tbh ,she gave some lovely comments to Fleur , I don't think it was fixed ,I just think Hamza was liked by the public more, I thought they were all excellent and was happy with whoever won.

[Niamh.]

I don't watch Strictly but weren't the other finalists already experienced in performing and had some dancing in their background? If that's the case surely the guy who didn't is a deserved winner

[GoldHeart]

I don't watch Strictly but weren't the other finalists already experienced in performing and had some dancing in their background? If that's the case surely the guy who didn't is a deserved winner

It's a no win situation Niamh, the tabloid rags tried to expose Hamza as some 'michael flatley'. But then people are still saying he wasn't the best dancer ...so they can't make their mind up :conf::joker: .

[Niamh.]

It's a no win situation Niamh, the tabloid rags tried to expose Hamza as some 'michael flatley'. But then people are still saying he wasn't the best dancer ...so they can't make their mind up :conf::joker: .

Oh really? :laugh: I thought he was a cameraman for nature programs?

[GoldHeart]

Oh really? :laugh: I thought he was a cameraman for nature programs?

He IS , but some silly rag newspaper ...had an image of him dancing or something. So people were saying he had previous experience. Which is silly ,as it's obvious Hamza ISN'T a professional dancer :shrug: .

But every year there's always a debate over who has & hasn't had previous dance experience, but like I've said aslong as James Jordan doesn't sneak back into the competition as a amateur...then I don't care :shrug: lol ,as all these celebrities are still out their comfort zone,and non of them were professionals.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with all that.

I do think Strictly needs to assess itself and how the judging is done.
Plus the voting too.

No matter their personal view no judge should be showing preferences for one or more contestants and not others.

Admittedly it is an entertainment show and it is to be fair.

The 3 things I'd do is cut the judges to 3 so no need for a head judge at all to overrule 2 others.

The dance off, I'd scrap doing the same dance already voted on by the judges, and have the dance off couples doing the same dance to be judged on.

I'd also make it that the public vote decides who goes only from the quarter final stage.
That probably wouldn't help but something needs to be done re the public voting too.
I haven't a thought on that.

However there's too much inconsistency from at least 2 of the judging panel as to their comments and then the marks they dish out.
To the ones they like or to the ones they clearly don't care for.
That's NOT professional even in a more light hearted competitive setting.

I agree with you 100% Joey, especially on the dance-off because nine times out of ten whoever is lower on the leaderboard goes home.

[Mystic Mock]

The way I see it ....I'm so use to Strictly doing this , I'm just glad all the finalists were likeable this year. And it's still an amazing achievement that Vito & Carlos made the final ....as newbies.

And I'm still happy for Hamza and his partner and her first win as a newbie.

I know not everyone will agree with me ,but tbh I've seen a ugly side of Gorka... I saw a clip of his reaction.

And lovely Fleur and Molly and even Helen are all cheering Hamza on for winning. And Gorka looks like someone poured salt & vinegar on his cornflakes. Helen had to drag him by the hand to congratulate Hamza.

Does he not think Fleur or Molly wanted to win aswell??? ...look how badly they got treated , if anything Gorka should be happy that he never had to do a dance off with Helen .

Everyone knows what they signed up for with strictly,and loads of celebs have been robbed over the years,yet they just accept defeat graciously :shrug:. His reaction is pure sour arrogance. I'm not a fan of his anymore :bored: .

Has Gorka been taking it out on Hamza? Because that's harsh if he is.

[GoldHeart]

Has Gorka been taking it out on Hamza? Because that's harsh if he is.

No I think he was just pulling a miserable face, I'm guessing he moaned to Gemma about the results.

[Nicky91]

glad Helen didn't win with her ''sympathy votes'' :laugh3:

[Kate!]

glad Helen didn't win with her ''sympathy votes'' :laugh3:

Not again Nicky. You are getting ridiculous and tiresome. If anyone got the sympathy vote it was Hamza.

[joeysteele]

Not again Nicky. You are getting ridiculous and tiresome. If anyone got the sympathy vote it was Hamza.

It has got really tiresome I agree Kate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not again Nicky. You are getting ridiculous and tiresome. If anyone got the sympathy vote it was Hamza.

+1

[Mystic Mock]

No I think he was just pulling a miserable face, I'm guessing he moaned to Gemma about the results.

He sounds very competitive.:laugh:

Tbf I can kinda respect that.

[Mystic Mock]

glad Helen didn't win with her ''sympathy votes'' :laugh3:

Alright you've got me here.

What sympathy vote was there for Helen? If anything she seemed to be too chilled out about the whole process.

[Kazanne]

Alright you've got me here.

What sympathy vote was there for Helen? If anything she seemed to be too chilled out about the whole process.

I agree,if anyone was going for the sympathy vote it was Fleur ,Helen was quite called I think and a good dancer.

[Nicky91]

the whole ''my husband cheated on me with another woman'' been there done that sympathy sob story :rolleyes:




LOL Kaz, Helen was far from a good dancer, judges pet you mean, very wooden and lame moves she had, that theatre jazz too, not very innovative and Faye Tozer's Jazz is still for me the better Jazz dance to Fever in halloween week

[joeysteele]

Alright you've got me here.

What sympathy vote was there for Helen? If anything she seemed to be too chilled out about the whole process.

Nothing really Mock.
It's no surprise you're mystified.

[Strictly Jake]

Not again Nicky. You are getting ridiculous and tiresome. If anyone got the sympathy vote it was Hamza.

Don't worry she will be all over Nicky's profile again in no time. Everyone is sick of this thing he does all the time! Almost as bad as Michael21! :fist:

[Nicky91]

Don't worry she will be all over Nicky's profile again in no time. Everyone is sick of this thing he does all the time! Almost as bad as Michael21! :fist:

why do i have to, she didn't win so i got my way :love: and now she's gone for good from the reality tv radar, and her career ended i can happily ignore her again :clap1: :clap1:


i can dance way better than her btw

[Anglooo]

Fix is one thing. But it equates to underhand manipulation of the public's votes, and their minds, too.

[Nicky91]

Fix is one thing. But it equates to underhand manipulation of the public's votes, and their minds, too.

like how? people have own opinions though, own freedom who to vote for, it's not like people are held at gunpoint :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

[Kate!]

like how? people have own opinions though, own freedom who to vote for, it's not like people are held at gunpoint :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

But I agree with Angloo here Nicky, the judges rammed Hamza down the publics throats, overpraising and overmarking to a ridiculous extent.

[Nicky91]

But I agree with Angloo here Nicky, the judges rammed Hamza down the publics throats, overpraising and overmarking to a ridiculous extent.

another one for my ignore list then

[Kate!]

another one for my ignore list then

Please yourself.

[Nicky91]

so peaceful having those irritating things on ignore :flutter:

[Crimson Dynamo]

so peaceful having those irritating things on ignore :flutter:

so peaceful after 6 when Nick's mum pulls his laptop plug and he cant bother the forum :flutter:

[Mystic Mock]

I agree,if anyone was going for the sympathy vote it was Fleur ,Helen was quite called I think and a good dancer.

Tbh I think that the only people getting sympathy votes in the series were Hamza & Ellie S, because some people love to patronise certain groups of people on these Shows.

[AnnieK]

Nicky, why are you being so horrid?

[Nicky91]

Nicky, why are you being so horrid?

i'm not?


also i'll never put you on ignore :hug:

[Nicky91]

you guys were saying what exactly?????


at least Hamza isn't from a closet affair relationship from that Boris Becker fraud scumbag



more of a fix last night, as if miss closet affair kid was such a great dancer, just average maybe and Valentin has had better celeb partners :(


Llambi also shouting like ''thank god Anna signed up with us and not the lame british version strictly''



#Philipp&PatriciawereRobbed :bawling: their barbie & ken showdance was brilliant

[MTVN]

Really? Wtf are the public thinking?

Hamza was, by far, the weakest of the four finalists. He shouldn't even have been there.

Is this about the SNP leadership contest?