Sturgeon: Clarkson's Meghan column is "deeply misogynist"

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Nicola Sturgeon has said she feels "pity" for men like Jeremy Clarkson and
warned that "words have consequences".

The first minister was speaking after the TV presenter wrote a column for The
Sun in which he compared his hatred of the Duchess of Sussex with his feelings
for Ms Sturgeon and Rose West.

Ms Sturgeon said Clarkson's words about Meghan were "deeply misogynist and
just downright awful".

In it, Clarkson said he felt sorry for Prince Harry, following the broadcast of
Netflix documentary Harry & Meghan.

He added: "Meghan, though, is a different story. I hate her. Not like I hate
Nicola Sturgeon or Rose West. I hate her on a cellular level."


Writing in his original column, Clarkson said: "At night, I'm unable to sleep as
I lie there, grinding my teeth and dreaming of the day when she [Meghan] is
made to parade naked through the streets of every town in Britain while the
crowds chant 'Shame!' and throw lumps of excrement at her.

"Everyone who's my age thinks the same way," he added. "But what makes
me despair is that younger people, especially girls, think she's pretty cool.
They think she was a prisoner of Buckingham Palace, forced to talk about
nothing but embroidery and kittens."


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[UserSince2005]

wind your turkey neck in you old hag.

[arista]

It was all a Joke

And he has said sorry.



He has his Clarkson Farm
Amazon Prime.
Doing well.

[arista]

From Early Today.
I posted this tweet, also on Parmys thread


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[Niamh.]

It was all a Joke

And he has said sorry.



He has his Clarkson Farm
Amazon Prime.
Doing well.

His own daughter even spoke out about how vile the comments were

[Glenn.]

If this isn’t proof of the irrational hatred that surrounds them I don’t know what is.

[Kate!]

It's easy to say it was a joke after the event, but I find it very offensive tbh.

[Liam-]

If this isn’t proof of the irrational hatred that surrounds them I don’t know what is.

The way the press and commentators have proved their exact point while trying to call them liars :joker:

[Niamh.]

If this isn’t proof of the irrational hatred that surrounds them I don’t know what is.

Exactly. In a way I'm kind of glad someone that high profile illustrated it so perfectly. Can't believe some people are trying to defend his comments. Comparing Nicola Sturgeon and Meghan to an actual child serial killer as well. ****ing grim.

[Glenn.]

His column would’ve also gone through a few people who approved it. Despicable and even worse people are defending it

[arista]

His own daughter even spoke out about how vile the comments were


Yes, so she should
being so young.

[Niamh.]

Yes, so she should
being so young.

What does her age have to do with it? I'd replace that with "Yes, so she should being a woman......"

[Liam-]

*’being a decent human being’ would suffice

[Oliver_W]

Like yeah he was referencing Game of Thrones, but to those (like me) who've not seen it he just seemed unhinged.

[GiRTh]

I love it, Gary Neville's a dickhead, Lineker should stick to punditry but Clarkson....Free speech, it was a joke, etc. :laugh:

It is free speech but its such a shame this i how some people want to use such a powerful right as freedom of speech,

I agree with who ever commented on the editorial process. This article would have been checked before being published so I'm unsure how it slipped thru the editorial standards

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1604826179999076352?s=20&t=5rE04neCT6YeSdaSC-93JA

[Niamh.]

I love it, Gary Neville's a dickhead, Lineker should stick to punditry but Clarkson....Free speech, it was a joke, etc. :laugh:

It is free speech but its such a shame this i how some people want to use such a powerful right as freedom of speech,

I agree with who ever commented on the editorial process. This article would have been checked before being published so I'm unsure how it slipped thru the editorial standards

probably because they assumed Meghan was so hated that no one would care how OTT and disgusting the attack was

[Swan]

I love it, Gary Neville's a dickhead, Lineker should stick to punditry but Clarkson....Free speech, it was a joke, etc. :laugh:

It is free speech but its such a shame this i how some people want to use such a powerful right as freedom of speech,

I agree with who ever commented on the editorial process. This article would have been checked before being published so I'm unsure how it slipped thru the editorial standards

No no, don't forget the many people, myself included, who think all 3 are dickheads.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Cromwell606/status/1604834585321168896?s=20&t=Va1CzXFhNdYe9LUMCfqXkw

[GiRTh]

No no, don't forget the many people, myself included, who think all 3 are dickheads.:laugh:

[GiRTh]

probably because they assumed Meghan was so hated that no one would care how OTT and disgusting the attack was
This is probably true.

[Mystic Mock]

It was all a Joke

And he has said sorry.



He has his Clarkson Farm
Amazon Prime.
Doing well.

Where was the joke?

I'm normally quite good at detecting when people are joking, and this doesn't seem to be the case.

And obviously Battery Acid shouldn't be flung at Nigel Farage either.

[GiRTh]

Sturgeon was always going to react. So anyone who think any one is over reacting and Clarkson is playing it cool...No chance. Its the problem of calling someone name out. They have got to reply. And how did anyone think Sturgeon was going to reply. Do we think she was gonna go...That Clarkson, eh....having a laugh again.....Bless him. :wink:

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1604826179999076352?s=20&t=5rE04neCT6YeSdaSC-93JA

The way he is ignoring comparing the two women to Rose West.

[Cherie]

I thought this was a drunk tweet had no idea he had a column :facepalm:

[jet]

If this isn’t proof of the irrational hatred that surrounds them I don’t know what is.

It was a very offensive comment. However, one such comment by a well - known loud mouth about Meghan only proves this…. that one well known loud mouth made an offensive comment. Nothing more, nothing less.
If there were many other vile comments in the same ilk that 'proves irrational hatred' we'd hear about them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1604601898375401473?s=20&t=Va1CzXFhNdYe9LUMCfqXkw

[Glenn.]

Sure

[Glenn.]

It was a very offensive comment. However, one such comment by a well - known loud mouth about Meghan only proves this…. that one well known loud mouth made an offensive comment. Nothing more, nothing less.
If there were many other vile comments in the same ilk that 'proves irrational hatred' we'd hear about them.

We’ll agree to disagree

[Liam-]

Even his ‘apology’ is pathetic, you can practically hear the smug grin he had on his face as he typed it out

[Glenn.]

The silence in this thread is very loud

[Crimson Dynamo]

The silence in this thread is very loud

its had 30 odd comments in 2 hours

which for Tibb is very busy

this is the second time this week you have posted that in popular threads -

are you ok?

[Gusto Brunt]

Just like that plank Mick Lynch, Jeremy Clarkson is also considered very intelligent and witty.:joker:

And like Ricky Gervais, who is called a comedian yet all he does is insult people, Clarkson is the same. He's called witty and what he says is very advanced humour and so so funny. :shocked:

Not to me he isn't.

The thing is I can see through all three. :hee:

I have no time for Clarkson, Lynch or Gervais. All overrated idiots who yes are very rich but don't appeal to me.

I also have no time for Meghan but anyone call throw insults out. She does it herself. I can call someone fat or say they should be put in the stocks. That's not wit. That's not humour. Anyone can say that.

Thank you.:hee:

[arista]

https://twitter.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1604826179999076352?s=20&t=5rE04neCT6YeSdaSC-93JA


Yes Game of Thrones,
At least he has said something now

[Cherie]

Its given him a great deal of publicity hasn’t it

[Glenn.]

its had 30 odd comments in 2 hours

which for Tibb is very busy

this is the second time this week you have posted that in popular threads -

are you ok?

I think as per usual you’re mistaken :joker: unless you want to find the other time for me

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its given him a great deal of publicity hasn’t it


Can you imagine if it was about Katy Hopkins

every person on here pretending to be outraged would be clapping and falling over themselves saying they agree

:joker:

ycnmiu

[joeysteele]

I absolutely cannot bear Clarkson.
I'd never watch him or listen to him.

He's always made vile detestable comments.
He's well suited then however as to writing in the Sun, another gutter trash element in society.

This comment didn't surprise me at all coming from Clarkson.

He.thinks he's funny, sadly it's puzzling to me why truly horrible people like him get any kind of media outlets.

No surprise then that I fully agree with Nicola Sturgeon.

[Parmy]

Go on Jezza..:clap1:

[rusticgal]

I actually find Jeremy Clarkson and Ricky Gervais funny…but they walk a thin line with their humour…much of what should be said amongst friends who actually get their humour…

[rusticgal]

Can you imagine if it was about Katy Hopkins

every person on here pretending to be outraged would be clapping and falling over themselves saying they agree

:joker:

ycnmiu


You are not wrong…

[joeysteele]

Can you imagine if it was about Katy Hopkins

every person on here pretending to be outraged would be clapping and falling over themselves saying they agree

:joker:

ycnmiu

I wouldn't .
I don't like Katy Hopkins but I'd never support anyone saying comments about her like Clarkson made.

It was grossly sick.
How old is he for goodness sake.
Would he like anyone talking like that about his daughter.
Vile.

[AnnieK]

Can you imagine if it was about Katy Hopkins

every person on here pretending to be outraged would be clapping and falling over themselves saying they agree

:joker:

ycnmiu

Can you imagine if it were said about the Princess of Wales? Those who are saying its just one man or trying to defend/dismiss it in any way would be calling for his head also

Ycnmiu

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wouldn't .
I don't like Katy Hopkins but I'd never support anyone saying comments about her like Clarkson made.

It was grossly sick.
How old is he for goodness sake.
Would he like anyone talking like that about his daughter.
Vile.

Its a tongue-in-cheek joke column not to be taken seriously in the slightest - he is playing to a particular audience and is not for anyone else. They dont read him 51 weeks of the year so lets not pretend that this week they do

[GiRTh]

Its a tongue-in-cheek joke column not to be taken seriously in the slightest - he is playing to a particular audience and is not for anyone else. They dont read him 51 weeks of the year so lets not pretend that this week they do:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can you imagine if it were said about the Princess of Wales? Those who are saying its just one man or trying to defend/dismiss it in any way would be calling for his head also

Ycnmiu

can you imagine if Harry and meghan wrote about Messi and said wearing a Saudi robe after the final was racist and complicit with the deaths of migrant workers?

[rusticgal]

Can you imagine if it were said about the Princess of Wales? Those who are saying its just one man or trying to defend/dismiss it in any way would be calling for his head also

Ycnmiu


What has the Princess of Wales done….:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh:



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[AnnieK]

What has the Princess of Wales done….:shrug:

It makes no difference what anyone deems someone to have done. It was a ****ty thing to say and then by trying to belittle the reaction by saying "well yiu wouldn't be saying that if it was said about blah blah" is just deflection and bad debating tbh.....which is what I was highlighting by using the Princess of Wales.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/WendtheWalker/status/1604556070906724352?s=20&t=-EtIQohiH4wPkXHTnnG3hg

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1604819914866524163?s=20&t=-EtIQohiH4wPkXHTnnG3hg

[rusticgal]

It makes no difference what anyone deems someone to have done. It was a ****ty thing to say and then by trying to belittle the reaction by saying "well yiu wouldn't be saying that if it was said about blah blah" is just deflection and bad debating tbh.....which is what I was highlighting by using the Princess of Wales.


Katie Hopkins is controversial…what Meghan and Harry have done is controversial…Jeremy Clarkson and Ricky Gervais are controversial…they invite criticism…
The Princess of Wales does not fall into that category…

[Liam-]

The clutching to defend a man promoting the idea of committing public sexual violence against a woman he doesn’t like, it’s so sickening, this is the point in time where people should open their eyes to the toxicity that is peoples blind hatred for Meghan and Harry, that not even this incident is enough to admit that people cross the line in their attitudes towards them, it’s truly twisted

[joeysteele]

https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1604819914866524163?s=20&t=-EtIQohiH4wPkXHTnnG3hg

The Tories aren't an individual person.
The Tories are an organisation like Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru and all others.

[Glenn.]

The clutching to defend a man promoting the idea of committing public sexual violence against a woman he doesn’t like, it’s so sickening, this is the point in time where people should open their eyes to the toxicity that is peoples blind hatred for Meghan and Harry, that not even this incident is enough to admit that people cross the line in their attitudes towards them, it’s truly twisted

Truly shocking that there’s people actually defending it. Even worse theyve been allowed to on here

[Crimson Dynamo]

Truly shocking that there’s people actually defending it. Even worse theyve been allowed to on here

there are
they have

i am shocked

:joker:

[Glenn.]

Still waiting for that second time I said it was silent LT

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1604601898375401473?s=20&t=Va1CzXFhNdYe9LUMCfqXkw

Who honestly was entertained by what he said.

It seems like people on both sides are angry for different reasons to me.

[Mystic Mock]

Can you imagine if it was about Katy Hopkins

every person on here pretending to be outraged would be clapping and falling over themselves saying they agree

:joker:

ycnmiu

I would like to hope that people wouldn't celebrate these kind of comments towards Katie Hopkins.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1604928012608475136?s=20&t=cHHQ7C3aJK6Z1fQygIV-lQ

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would like to hope that people wouldn't celebrate these kind of comments towards Katie Hopkins.

hope in vain mock

its already happened

[Parmy]

I actually find Jeremy Clarkson and Ricky Gervais funny…but they walk a thin line with their humour…much of what should be said amongst friends who actually get their humour…

Normal people would snigger at what he said if one of their mates came out with it in the pub or somewhere.

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/WendtheWalker/status/1604556070906724352?s=20&t=-EtIQohiH4wPkXHTnnG3hg

But if it's what we all think, why is he being called out then?

That person on Twitter has just contradicted themselves.

And tbh I'm sick to death of people in these debates trying to bring a right vs left angle into everything.

What Clarkson said about Meghan was wrong, there was no punchline to his joke, he is using that as an excuse because he has been getting abuse by people who are disgusted by his comments.

Whether these comments were made by Clarkson or Gary Lineker towards a right wing figure, it would be disgusting comments, and anyone saying otherwise imo are playing some silly Political game against "the other side" when really we all know that comparing innocent people to sadistic serial killers isn't on, and trying to incite your fans against another person by wanting **** thrown at them also isn't on.

[Parmy]

What has the Princess of Wales done….:shrug:

Buggered her husband with a strap on.


All in good humour of course!:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

The Tories aren't an individual person.
The Tories are an organisation like Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid Cymru and all others.

This.

Plus her saying that she hates the Tories isn't saying that she wants them to be violently hurt.

The Nigel Farage incident earlier is a fairer comparison because what Jo Brand has said there is disgusting if true.

[GiRTh]

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1604928012608475136?s=20&t=cHHQ7C3aJK6Z1fQygIV-lQLozza Fox. Really? You can do better :laugh:

[joeysteele]

This.

Plus her saying that she hates the Tories isn't saying that she wants them to be violently hurt.

The Nigel Farage incident earlier is a fairer comparison because what Jo Brand has said there is disgusting if true.

Thank you Mock.

You are absolutely right too on your first point there.

[Mystic Mock]

hope in vain mock

its already happened

Well those people should also be ashamed of themselves as well.

You don't have to like these people in the public eye to still want to treat them with some compassion and humanity.

Rose West doesn't deserve compassion and as a Human Being in my eyes, that's the huge difference.

[Parmy]

2 englishmen pretending to know what sturgeon really like..its very cute x

[Mystic Mock]

2 englishmen pretending to know what sturgeon really like..its very cute x

She's clearly not Rose West, or even remotely comparable to that sicko.

[jet]

Katie Hopkins is controversial…what Meghan and Harry have done is controversial…Jeremy Clarkson and Ricky Gervais are controversial…they invite criticism…
The Princess of Wales does not fall into that category…

Good points. Controversial people attract controversial comments.
Which bears no relevance to the Princess of Wales at all.

[jet]

The clutching to defend a man promoting the idea of committing public sexual violence against a woman he doesn’t like, it’s so sickening, this is the point in time where people should open their eyes to the toxicity that is peoples blind hatred for Meghan and Harry, that not even this incident is enough to admit that people cross the line in their attitudes towards them, it’s truly twisted

Could you give me examples of places where you have read all this toxicity and blind hatred for Meghan and Harry? What I have come across are rational and understandable negative opinions based on their hypocritical behaviour and the words that have come out of their own mouths, which have been proven to be a long list of spiteful lies.
The majority of people are not crossing any lines at all, and if a few random people do, it doesn’t excuse Meghan and Harry’s ongoing awful behaviour.

[Parmy]

She's clearly not Rose West, or even remotely comparable to that sicko.

Only people comparing meghan to rose west is folk that cant read what Clarkson wrote.

[Glenn.]

Only people comparing meghan to rose west is folk that cant read what Clarkson wrote.

You literally said the same thing this morning though. How much you hate her. Very peculiar opinion to have for a woman you don’t know.

[Parmy]

You literally said the same thing this morning though. How much you hate her. Very peculiar opinion to have for a woman you don’t know.

I hate her because of what I know about her.

[rusticgal]

You literally said the same thing this morning though. How much you hate her. Very peculiar opinion to have for a woman you don’t know.


You worship the ground she walks on….you don’t know her either. However we judge by what we see…you see a beautiful strong woman that lectures about love, respect and family values but fails to do the same for her own.

[Parmy]

You worship the ground she walks on….you don’t know her either. However we judge by what we see…you see a beautiful strong woman that lectures about love, respect and family values but fails to do the same for her own.

No he dont..

He just sees an argument on TIBB.

[Parmy]

Does she preach about family values..omg..honestly? Does she.

Cause the first rule of family values is, dont wash your linen in public.


Wouldnt people agree with that?

[Glenn.]

You worship the ground she walks on….you don’t know her either. However we judge by what we see…you see a beautiful strong woman that lectures about love, respect and family values but fails to do the same for her own.

I don’t worship the ground she walks on :joker: I just don’t think the level of hate she gets is deserved or rational. Especially when it comes from old men. It’s weird.

She had all the respect and love for her family before they sold her out. You keep forgetting that. Her family sold them out for some money.

[Parmy]

I don’t worship the ground she walks on :joker: I just don’t think the level of hate she gets is deserved or rational. Especially when it comes from old men. It’s weird.

She had all the respect and love for her family before they sold her out. You keep forgetting that. Her family sold them out for some money.

You should here my auntie eleanor.. omg..the air is turned blue when she gets going.

<=====proud old man, still taking it on the chin for the ladies

[Parmy]

I don’t worship the ground she walks on :joker: I just don’t think the level of hate she gets is deserved or rational. Especially when it comes from old men. It’s weird.

She had all the respect and love for her family before they sold her out. You keep forgetting that. Her family sold them out for some money.

And again..you are irrational..you have no interest, nor feeling towards meghan, but you are forever in threads about her telling old people off for their feelings, like some feelings Gestapo controller.

Start a thread about the irrational thoughts you feel about peoples irrational thoughts instead of derailing discussions with your thoughts on peoples thoughts.

Stay on topic glenn....

[Parmy]

Seriously glenn, if you feel that strongly about your feelings towards old people, especially men that you would spend all your time on TIBB telling about 5 people (MAX) off for having opinions, then I'm sorry. But that is ****ing irrational behaviour.

[Glenn.]

That’s the weakest argument I’ve ever heard :joker:

Thanks to Jeremy Clarksons OTT bollocks even more people are starting to open their eyes to the irrational hatred.

You say you hate the woman but you don’t know her it’s ****ing hilarious. Literally the most stupid thing ever. You can’t hate someone because the papers tell you to :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Only people comparing meghan to rose west is folk that cant read what Clarkson wrote.

He mentioned Meghan and Sturgeon in the same breath as Rose West.

The fact that he did the comparison already shows me that he has crossed the line.

[arista]

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[Parmy]

That’s the weakest argument I’ve ever heard :joker:

Thanks to Jeremy Clarksons OTT bollocks even more people are starting to open their eyes to the irrational hatred.

You say you hate the woman but you don’t know her it’s ****ing hilarious. Literally the most stupid thing ever. You can’t hate someone because the papers tell you to :joker:

I didnt know Hitler!

[AnnieK]

Good points. Controversial people attract controversial comments.
Which bears no relevance to the Princess of Wales at all.

Being a member of the Royal Family, a Family with a dubious history in imperialism, is controversial for people who are anti-monarchy so would you accept those comments about her from an Anti-Royalist who decided to target Kate as just the ramblings of one man or would you be, quite rightly, furious that someone would put that in print about another human being? THAT'S my point.


For the benefit of impartiality, I think Kate is fabulous - and in no way deserves any such comments - but I also don't think that level of vitriol should be leveled at anybody.

[Crimson Dynamo]

nothing wrong with Jeremy voicing his opinion about self-absorbed Meghan

if it were to be Piers (we all know that would be common trolling cuz that is all what Piers the Prick does)


i myself always liked Jeremy, multi talented man (first top gear, now his farming show), what has Meghan ever achieved, except marrying into royalty for the attention


always felt sympathy for Jeremy either, when he became a victim of a death hoax, multiple times as i remember correctly

great post Nickster

[thesheriff443]

Clarkson’s comments are a gift from the gods for Meghan because she and harry are drowning in their own pity

I think you have to look at who said it and why they said and what they have said in the past

Meghan and harry have made themselves a laughing stock around the world and are mocked by most now.

[Niamh.]

Being a member of the Royal Family, a Family with a dubious history in imperialism, is controversial for people who are anti-monarchy so would you accept those comments about her from an Anti-Royalist who decided to target Kate as just the ramblings of one man or would you be, quite rightly, furious that someone would put that in print about another human being? THAT'S my point.


For the benefit of impartiality, I think Kate is fabulous - and in no way deserves any such comments - but I also don't think that level of vitriol should be leveled at anybody.

100% agree with everything you put in that post Annie. It's not even just about who the comments were directed at, it's the fact that they were directed at any woman (and yes LT I would have an issue with such comments directed at Katie Hopkins too as much as I dislike her) The whole thing is just so degrading and misogynistic and as you say the fact that the paper allowed these comments to be printed at all is revolting

[Swan]

100% agree with everything you put in that post Annie. It's not even just about who the comments were directed at, it's the fact that they were directed at any woman (and yes LT I would have an issue with such comments directed at Katie Hopkins too as much as I dislike her) The whole thing is just so degrading and misogynistic and as you say the fact that the paper allowed these comments to be printed at all is revolting

Im not gonna argue what Clarkson said, im not a fan of his, i get what he said was supposed to be a "joke" but it was in very poor taste. Anyway, i will argue such comments directed at Katie Hopkins. What she's said in the past is vile, truly evil, about men, women and children. I would say she'd be fair game for vile comments thrown back at her. I don't think just because she's female she should get a pass. Obviously i don't wish harm or physical violence against her but people like her deserve as good as they get.

[Niamh.]

Im not gonna argue what Clarkson said, im not a fan of his, i get what he said was supposed to be a "joke" but it was in very poor taste. Anyway, i will argue such comments directed at Katie Hopkins. What she's said in the past is vile, truly evil, about men, women and children. I would say she'd be fair game for vile comments thrown back at her. I don't think just because she's female she should get a pass. Obviously i don't wish harm or physical violence against her but people like her deserve as good as they get.

It isn't a case of "just because she's female she should get a pass" My point is misogynistic comments and that kind humiliation/degradation type of insult directed at any woman is insulting to all women in a similar way to you shouldn't use racist insults towards any black person (even if they're a horrible person) because it's insulting towards all black people if you see what I mean? It has wider implications.

[Alf]

I'm team Clarkson.

All the luvvie TV personalities came out in outrage against Clarkson so that they can keep their dated jobs on TV panal shows because they wouldn't be able to make it in the real World. None of those same people said anything when Jo Brand wanted to throw acid in Nigel Farage's face.

They're the real bad eggs, not Clarkson.

[Niamh.]

I'm team Clarkson.

All the luvvie TV personalities came out in outrage against Clarkson so that they can keep their dated jobs on TV panal shows because they wouldn't be able to make it in the real World. None of those same people said anything when Jo Brand wanted to throw acid in Nigel Farage's face.

They're the real bad eggs, not Clarkson.

I mean Clarkson literally punched a Co worker in the face but yeah, great guy................

[Alf]

I mean Clarkson literally punched a Co worker in the face but yeah, great guy................I thought you liked punching in the face. Arne't you into that cage fighting?

[Swan]

It isn't a case of "just because she's female she should get a pass" My point is misogynistic comments and that kind humiliation/degradation type of insult directed at any woman is insulting to all women in a similar way to you shouldn't use racist insults towards any black person (even if they're a horrible person) because it's insulting towards all black people if you see what I mean? It has wider implications.

Yeah i understand what you're saying, again, his comments were really quite stupid. I guess there's a thin line between insulting someone for being scum, ie Hopkins, but not coming across misogynistic. It's kinda like, saying Hopkins is a nasty, horrible piece of sh!t is fair game and not misogynistic. But then saying you want her stripped naked and sh!t thrown at her in the street is misogynistic?

Nah i get it more now actually, the line isn't that thin tbh. Out of those two scenarios mentioned, one is a fair opinion based on her past viciousness. And the other is degrading towards women.

[Niamh.]

I thought you liked punching in the face. Arne't you into that cage fighting?

I like a sport with willing participants therefore I like people being assaulted..great logic Alf. No more food for you today now.

[Nicky91]

i massively doubt he is any worse than Matthijs van Nieuwkerk, over here in my nation, whom got recently cancelled due to being condescending to many of his crew from DWDD and also turning violent on some of them off camera (to the point of some requiring help by mental health experts)

thx to this NPO now have to search for a new Top 2000 a Gogo presenter for the end of year top 2000 countdown and music quiz, this show is a very popular traditional every christmas and the new years eve

[Niamh.]

Yeah i understand what you're saying, again, his comments were really quite stupid. I guess there's a thin line between insulting someone for being scum, ie Hopkins, but not coming across misogynistic. It's kinda like, saying Hopkins is a nasty, horrible piece of sh!t is fair game and not misogynistic. But then saying you want her stripped naked and sh!t thrown at her in the street is misogynistic?

Nah i get it more now actually, the line isn't that thin tbh. Out of those two scenarios mentioned, one is a fair opinion based on her past viciousness. And the other is degrading towards women.

Yeah exactly.

Thing is, that kind of comment isn't a surprise coming from Jeremy Clarkson, what's worse is that the article was approved by an editor/editors

[bots]

most media outlets employ inexperienced kids these days, i doubt anyone read the article through, viewing it from an editorial perspective. That's just not done these days, it's too expensive

[Niamh.]

most media outlets employ inexperienced kids these days, i doubt anyone read the article through, viewing it from an editorial perspective. That's just not done these days, it's too expensive

mmmm journalism has really suffered because of the internet which is very unfortunate

[Liam-]

Sorry, but someone on a level like Clarkson would most definitely be in contact with the editor, he’s not just any random columnist, it would have definitely been looked over knowing that some people will get that paper specifically for his column, I think it’s a definite insight at how low the bar is for ‘journalism’ for rags like the sun

[Niamh.]

Sorry, but someone on a level like Clarkson would most definitely be in contact with the editor, he’s not just any random columnist, it would have definitely been looked over knowing that some people will get that paper specifically for his column, I think it’s a definite insight at how low the bar is for ‘journalism’ for rags like the sun

Maybe so, they probably just think everyone will be OK with it because it's Meghan. Which is really gross. I do hope it's made at least some people think maybe they do have a point about how bad the media have been towards her.

[Swan]

Maybe so, they probably just think everyone will be OK with it because it's Meghan. Which is really gross. I do hope it's made at least some people think maybe they do have a point about how bad the media have been towards her.

That's fine and the Sun is a load of crap, but forgetting Clarkson and the Sun, you can easily judge Meghan for what she actually says. She's gone on record saying so much, i have no doubt people have said stuff about her that isn't true, but she's had plenty to say herself on a wide range of topics. I base my dislike of her on her own hypocrisy, her non stop complaining about her "disadvantaged" life. I just find both of them so insulting and condescending.

[Niamh.]

That's fine and the Sun is a load of crap, but forgetting Clarkson and the Sun, you can easily judge Meghan for what she actually says. She's gone on record saying so much, i have no doubt people have said stuff about her that isn't true, but she's had plenty to say herself on a wide range of topics. I base my dislike of her on her own hypocrisy, her non stop complaining about her "disadvantaged" life. I just find both of them so insulting and condescending.

I don't think she's ever said her life is disadvantaged, has she? (in a monetary sense) Regardless, even is she has nothing she's said has been bad enough to warrant the real disgusting hatred and vile comments about her

[jet]

That's fine and the Sun is a load of crap, but forgetting Clarkson and the Sun, you can easily judge Meghan for what she actually says. She's gone on record saying so much, i have no doubt people have said stuff about her that isn't true, but she's had plenty to say herself on a wide range of topics. I base my dislike of her on her own hypocrisy, her non stop complaining about her "disadvantaged" life. I just find both of them so insulting and condescending.

Exactly - and the torrent of proven lies whch she tells truly thinking that just because they have come from her mouth they should automatically be believed. It's bizarre.

[Glenn.]

I didnt know Hitler!

You really went there :joker:

Comparing your hatred of Meghan to Hitler :joker: :joker:

And you’re not irrational? :joker: :joker: :joker:

[jet]

I don't think she's ever said her life is disadvantaged, has she? (in a monetary sense) Regardless, even is she has nothing she's said has been bad enough to warrant the real disgusting hatred and vile comments about her

Do you have many examples of these? I have come across very few indeed that could be classed as such. Mostly I read valid opinions about her own behaviour and her own words which she puts out there herself for scrutiny like any other celebrity who is in the spotlight.

[Niamh.]

Do you have many examples of these? I have come across very few indeed that could be classed as such. Mostly I read valid opinions about her own behaviour and her own words which she puts out there herself for scrutiny like any other celebrity who is in the spotlight.

Well I mean an example is the one this thread is about but off the top of my head, the British tabloids saying she was "straight out of Compton" and calling her a gangster, absolutely racially motivated which is vile. Tabloids critising her for holding her pregnant belly "for attention" her destroying the planet because she like avocado on toast. That picture of the monkey after Archie was born. Disgusting. I've read really gross things in comments sections on FB articles and twitter as well

[Crimson Dynamo]

maybe meghan should leave public life and come back as Markle Marian and just deny she was ever Meghan Markle?

:pipe:

[user104658]

maybe meghan should leave public life and come back as Markle Marian and just deny she was ever Meghan Markle?

:pipe:

Why would she do that?

[jet]

Well I mean an example is the one this thread is about but off the top of my head, the British tabloids saying she was "straight out of Compton" and calling her a gangster, absolutely racially motivated which is vile. Tabloids critising her for holding her pregnant belly "for attention" her destroying the planet because she like avocado on toast. That picture of the monkey after Archie was born. Disgusting. I've read really gross things in comments sections on FB articles and twitter as well

I don’t know if you are aware of the reporting of Diana, Sophie, Fergie, Kate and Camilla when they were the latest Royal women. In those early days, they got it every bit as much as Meghan did, from the likes of the Sun and the Mirror.

Fergie was branded ‘The Duchess of Pork’ and ‘The Dumpy Duchess’ because she wasn’t as slim as Diana; they pitted the 2 against each other, mercilessly criticising Fergie’s clothes and hair and ‘uncouth’ personality compared to the perfect Diana. They pitted Sophie against Diana too, her clothes, her ‘chunky farm girls legs’.
Kate was constantly sneered at for ‘waiting around’ for William to propose, Kate’s parents were mocked because they came from miner’s stock and her mother was an air hostess - there were many snide jokes about the ‘commoners’.
On top of that, they were all harassed terribly by paps whenever they were out on private time. That NEVER happened to Meghan, despite the Netflix docu deceiving viewers into thinking she was.

Camilla was called ‘her w****ness’ and ‘the dirty knicker woman’, was heckled constantly and had things thrown at her.

It is no way as bad as it was these days, but now we have social media to contend with - I don’t do social media though so I don’t know what is being said on those sites.

[Niamh.]

I don’t know if you are aware of the reporting of Diana, Sophie, Fergie, Kate and Camilla when they were the latest Royal women. In those early days, they got it every bit as much as Meghan did, from the likes of the Sun and the Mirror.

Fergie was branded ‘The Duchess of Pork’ and ‘The Dumpy Duchess’ because she wasn’t as slim as Diana; they pitted the 2 against each other, mercilessly criticising Fergie’s clothes and hair and ‘uncouth’ personality compared to the perfect Diana. They pitted Sophie against Diana too, her clothes, her ‘chunky farm girls legs’.
Kate was constantly sneered at for ‘waiting around’ for William to propose, Kate’s parents were mocked because they came from miner’s stock and her mother was an air hostess - there were many snide jokes about the ‘commoners’.
On top of that, they were all harassed terribly by paps whenever they were out on private time. That NEVER happened to Meghan, despite the Netflix docu deceiving viewers into thinking she was.

Camilla was called ‘her w****ness’ and ‘the dirty knicker woman’, was heckled constantly and had things thrown at her.

It is no way as bad as it was these days, but now we have social media to contend with - I don’t do social media though so I don’t know what is being said on those sites.

Absolutely despicable but I don't see why naming other women within the royal family who were treated disgustingly invalidates Meghan being treated disgustingly?

[jet]

Absolutely despicable but I don't see why naming other women within the royal family who were treated disgustingly invalidates Meghan being treated disgustingly?

Of course it doesn’t. I’m pointing out that Meghan wasn’t being singled out to be ‘picked on’.
It’s ALL disgusting - as is the claim by several young women employed by the Sussexes that they were left traumatised by Meghan’s bullying and can’t speak out properly because they signed NDA’s. The fact that they lost 12 staff in 18 months gives credence to the claims.

[jet]

There were also incidents of Meghan bullying other young women she came across (never men) in Tom Bowers book about the Sussexes.

[Glenn.]

“It’s ok for Meghan to be treated like it because other women in the family have been”

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1605145499736186880/A54cbjvz?format=jpg&name=small


[Chris Packham - 'Jail him!]


No Chris,
Ignore him.

[jet]

“It’s ok for Meghan to be treated like it because other women in the family have been”

Glenn getting it all wrong on purpose as usual. Tiresome stuff.

[Glenn.]

Glenn getting it all wrong on purpose as usual. Tiresome stuff.

It’s literally what you’ve just said though. You minimise the hatred towards Meghan because the other women in the family had the same. And worse still you agree with with because you hate her so much.

You obsessively post Daily Mail article after Daily Mail article written to incite more hatred towards her because let’s be honest the Daily Mail hate her and they have a niche of middle aged men and women that drink it all up like they’re dying of thirst. Your very blinkered view on her has been orchestrated by the media.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fkaa5ZCWAAc8e_G?format=jpg&name=small

[jet]

It’s literally what you’ve just said though. You minimise the hatred towards Meghan because the other women in the family had the same. And worse still you agree with with because you hate her so much.

You obsessively post Daily Mail article after Daily Mail article written to incite more hatred towards her because let’s be honest the Daily Mail hate her and they have a niche of middle aged men and women that drink it all up like they’re dying of thirst. Your very blinkered view on her has been orchestrated by the media.

It literally isn't....

Here's a tip - don't read the Daily Mail articles if they bother you, they are for those that want them.

[Glenn.]

It literally isn't....

Here's a tip - don't read the Daily Mail articles if they bother you, they are for those that want them.

I don’t read them :joker: I know they’ll be full of ****. I don’t read tabloids

[Livia]

One man's opinion. He's entitled to it. Who cares?

In a couple of years no one will remember Markle.

[jet]

I don’t read them :joker: I know they’ll be full of ****. I don’t read tabloids

You could read The Times or The Telegraph, they aren't tabloids but they say much the same about Meghan but with more gravatas.

Better stick to the Beano.

[Glenn.]

Well the daily fail is of course your preferred choice as it’s all you ever post. I’d say enjoy your hatred filled tabloid but I already know you do. You can’t form an opinion without it. So sad

[user104658]

One man's opinion. He's entitled to it. Who cares?

In a couple of years no one will remember Markle.

It's his "opinion" to state that he wants to see her stripped naked and paraded through town having **** thrown at her?

That's not really an opinion, is it? I know he was exaggerating and that he thought he was being funny (he wasn't "joking", but he did think he was being funny) but I don't think the suggestion of gangs of ruddy faced blokes stripping and humiliating women "for their wrongs" in expressions of their sad, impotent rage should really fall in the realms of "just an opinion".

Drunkenly burped out in a pub it should get an eye-roll and ignored. Published in a national newspaper that's read by the exact sort of people who ould - unironically, and genuinely - like to see the people mentioned tarred and feathered ... it's just horrific.

As a "joke" it works better as a satire of the people who do genuinely get themselves emotional and upset thinking about a random celebrity and a family of dough-faced aristocrats.

[jet]

Well the daily fail is of course your preferred choice as it’s all you ever post. I’d say enjoy your hatred filled tabloid but I already know you do. You can’t form an opinion without it. So sad

Heartbreaking. :bawling:

[Glenn.]

Heartbreaking. :bawling:

Stay a bitter old man towards a woman you don’t know

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im afraid the issue is firmly with the Editor who would have seen this piece and passed it instead of politely saying that "sorry Jez but that is too much in light of recent very public attacks on young women - I get your column is all tongue in cheek and that its refers to a GOT famous moment and that Markle is a narcissistic passive-aggressive annoyance but that is too far and will create a sh1tstorm"

That is her job and she did not do it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1605148064007741440?s=20&t=dW3ztgKk8JzdUGB4vPRH_A

[Glenn.]

Imagine if his personality was more than hounding Meghan Markle

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1605148064007741440?s=20&t=dW3ztgKk8JzdUGB4vPRH_A

I must have missed the part where Harry and Meghan suggested that Charles and William should be stripped naked and shackled to the gates of Buckingham Palace to have feces thrown at them by baying crowds of slack-jawed locals?

[Nicky91]

oh shut up Piers, don't interfere with someone else's opinions

[Liam-]

Piers’ picture should be placed next to ‘bunny boiler’ in the dictionary, he’s actually obsessed, she needs a restraining order against him asap, he’s clearly deranged

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1605148064007741440?s=20&t=dW3ztgKk8JzdUGB4vPRH_A

Piers Morgan is comparing apples & oranges.

Where's the violent threat towards for example William? And if there is one towards him I would personally stick up for him as well.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He could have defended his right to cause offence, but instead has given all the wrong people a chance to crawl onto the moral high ground

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/12/20/TELEMMGLPICT000320185588_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqPNvRg dOCtjgvqZdBkBney_6ar94-tuI_Va2sJ6_EF8k.jpeg?imwidth=1280

Jeremy Clarkson has never been the most subtle of writers, but his latest column has managed to exceed even his own outrage-expectations. In my view, if you want to call out the former royal couple for their excruciating and hypocritical behaviour, it pays to be everything they are not: reasonable, reserved and respectful. Fantasising about Meghan being paraded through the streets having lumps of excrement thrown at her is the very sort of thing which fuels the couple’s grievance machine, which allows them to say: see what we mean about racist Britain hating Meghan?

In truth, Netflix producers failed so miserably to demonstrate that Harry and Meghan were victims of an orchestrated hate campaign by the British tabloids that they were reduced to flashing up headlines from American publications. But Clarkson’s column will certainly be taking pride of place in the couple’s next film.

Today, however, that is not the main issue – for the debate has extended into one of free speech and Clarkson's right to cause offence. The answer is easy: of course he has that right. And having written what he did, Clarkson made an error by appearing to apologise. That is exactly what Harry and Meghan and their supporters want: for the British press, and potentially its regulators, to be so fearful of causing offence that they grovel before them.

Clarkson should have followed one of two examples. The first, like the best comedians, is to unashamedly defend his right to write what he did. The second would be to maintain a dignified silence: say nothing, or, at the very most insist that “interpretations of my column may vary”.

It isn’t just Harry and Meghan whose interests Jeremy Clarkson has helped serve by means of his apology: it is the entire liberal-Left establishment and its demented campaign against what it calls the “Right-wing press”. Is there anything more ridiculous than watching Sir Philip Pullman, for instance, mounting his high horse over Clarkson’s column? This is a man who tweeted, following the Brexit vote, “When I hear the name Boris Johnson for some reason the words ‘rope’ and ‘nearest lamp post’ come to mind as well.”

Were the liberal-Left to apply consistent standards, it would have demanded that Sir Philip’s books be removed from bookshop and library shelves, and films based on his books to be banned from television. But of course, different rules apply to “enlightened” liberal commentators, who are allowed to employ violent imagery in their arguments and brush aside complaints that they didn’t mean it literally (neither, funny enough, did Clarkson when he called for Meghan to be paraded naked through the streets).

There is nothing to be gained from paddling around in this swamp. Harry and Meghan’s campaign against Britain and its royal family can be better taken apart through forensic analysis of their claims and the hypocrisy they reveal minute by minute in their Netflix series (let’s not fall into the trap of calling it a documentary). Yes, this couple really did boast of the air miles they had run up during their relationship – while lecturing the rest of us on climate change.

Give Harry and Meghan the slightest chance to crawl onto the moral high ground and all this gets suppressed. Clarkson has handed them a PR victory by refusing to stand

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/20/jeremy-clarksons-biggest-mistake-capitulate/

[Nicky91]

don't quote that user's posts who i have on ignore :mad:

[Glenn.]

Imagine still defending what he said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine if his personality was more than hounding Meghan Markle

Imagine still defending what he said.

Imagine propping up the couple’s grievance machine

[Glenn.]

Sure

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jeremy Clarkson's Meghan Markle humour column is now the most complained
about newspaper article in HISTORY

https://image.gbnews.uk/410245.webp?imageId=410245&x=0&y=0&cropw=98.430286241921&croph=100&width=1067&height=610



The number surpassed the total number of complaints the media regulator received in 2021 – 14,355.

The previous most complained-about article was published in the Scottish Sun in August 2020, about the Stonehaven train derailment, which received more than 16,860 complaints.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/jeremy-clarksons-meghan-markle-rant-is-now-the-most-complained-about-newspaper-article-in-history/410225

[user104658]

Imagine still defending what he said.

"If WOKEMY Clarkson won't stand by what he says then I'll jolly well do it for him by gum!" :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well well what have we here

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1605266866011865089?s=20&t=LpzYyhG7JdWmllcrDPyFPQ

[joeysteele]

A bit rich from Farage after all his deceit and lies in the EU referendum.

[user104658]

Well well what have we here

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1605266866011865089?s=20&t=LpzYyhG7JdWmllcrDPyFPQ

Jeremy Clarkson't!

[bots]

They both come from the same clown car

https://media2.giphy.com/media/mIMsLsQTJzAn6/giphy.gif

[jet]

I can actually think of worse things than some loud mouth celeb saying something offensive.

Like causing distress to a grandmother just at the very time her husband is dying.

Like causing distress to a grandmother when SHE is dying.

Like refusing an invitation to see grandmother who you know is dying a week before she dies.

Like making a docu trashing their family which dying grandmother could still have been alive to see.

Like making demeaning remarks about dying grandmother in said docu.

Like being so unforgiving that you won’t contact a father who had 2 heart attacks and even a recent stroke doesn’t soften your hard heart.

Like selling out your family/your husband’s family for a big pay cheque.

Yet not one word of condemnation from Meghan and Harry supporters when these things were reported. The hypocrisy is stunning.

[Glenn.]

I can actually think of worse things than some loud mouth celeb saying something offensive.

Like causing distress to a grandmother just at the very time her husband is dying.

Like causing distress to a grandmother when SHE is dying.

Like refusing an invitation to see grandmother who you know is dying a week before she dies.

Like making a docu trashing their family which dying grandmother could still have been alive to see.

Like making demeaning remarks about dying grandmother in said docu.

Like being so unforgiving that you won’t contact a father who had 2 heart attacks and even a recent stroke doesn’t soften your hard heart.

Like selling out your family/your husband’s family for a big pay cheque.

Yet not one word of condemnation from Meghan and Harry supporters when these things were reported. The hypocrisy is stunning.

All tabloid fodder jet :joker:

[jet]

All tabloid fodder jet :joker:

I rest my case.

[AnnieK]

I can actually think of worse things than some loud mouth celeb saying something offensive.

Like causing distress to a grandmother just at the very time her husband is dying.

Like causing distress to a grandmother when SHE is dying.

Like refusing an invitation to see grandmother who you know is dying a week before she dies.

Like making a docu trashing their family which dying grandmother could still have been alive to see.

Like making demeaning remarks about dying grandmother in said docu.

Like being so unforgiving that you won’t contact a father who had 2 heart attacks and even a recent stroke doesn’t soften your hard heart.

Like selling out your family/your husband’s family for a big pay cheque.

Yet not one word of condemnation from Meghan and Harry supporters when these things were reported. The hypocrisy is stunning.

And when all those things happened, there were threads on here and on social media, newspaper comments sections, articles etc etc slating them for their actions.

Just because they have done questionable things does not mean that people can not be quite rightyly disgusted when this article was published but Meghans main detractors are.all saying "yeah but they have done this..." There shoukd be no "yeah buts" when it is a perceived threat of violence toward another human.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And when all those things happened, there were threads on here and on social media, newspaper comments sections, articles etc etc slating them for their actions.

Just because they have done questionable things does not mean that people can not be quite rightyly disgusted when this article was published but Meghans main detractors are.all saying "yeah but they have done this..." There shoukd be no "yeah buts" when it is a perceived threat of violence toward another human.

"when it is a perceived threat of violence toward another human"

did you post this when jo brand had her little moment

no

why

?

:rolleyes:

[joeysteele]

And when all those things happened, there were threads on here and on social media, newspaper comments sections, articles etc etc slating them for their actions.

Just because they have done questionable things does not mean that people can not be quite rightyly disgusted when this article was published but Meghans main detractors are.all saying "yeah but they have done this..." There shoukd be no "yeah buts" when it is a perceived threat of violence toward another human.

Dead right Annie.

Even trying to minimise Clarkson's vile comments is unbelievable.

I have no idea at all what the Royal family think and really no one else outside the Royals do either.
However I'd think it a safe bet, IN MY VIEW anyhow, that even the Royal family would find Clarkson's vile comments and grossly sick joke,( if it really was one), indefensible.

[AnnieK]

"when it is a perceived threat of violence toward another human"

did you post this when jo brand had her little moment

no

why

?

:rolleyes:

Did I take part in a thread? Was there a thread? Do you know what my thoughts were? Nope, I didn't think so.....but continue deflecting mr LT :bored:

Edit......I've just checked that thread from June 2019 and I did not post at all in it....could it be that I didn't see it and I was busy? Could it be I had nothing to add as it was fairly well condemned or maybe I wasn't here at all?? Am I not allowed an opinion on this thread because I didn't post in that thread 3 years ago?

[bots]

i find it difficult to get worked up by what people like Clarkson say. He is a persistent egocentric attention seeker. I've never given a second thought to people like him, and funnily enough, Meghan and Harry fall into the same category.

People say stupid things, some more than other, but no amount of hand wringing will change it

[jet]

And when all those things happened, there were threads on here and on social media, newspaper comments sections, articles etc etc slating them for their actions.

Just because they have done questionable things does not mean that people can not be quite rightyly disgusted when this article was published but Meghans main detractors are.all saying "yeah but they have done this..." There shoukd be no "yeah buts" when it is a perceived threat of violence toward another human.

NOT from their supporters on here....and I didn't say 'but', I said I can think of worse things, which is perfectly true, wouldn't you agree?
The distress and sadness they brought to the Queen is not 'questionable things', it was downright cruelty of a dying woman. Horrendous. Unforgivable.
Her Lady in Waiting and others were devastated at the effect it had on her Majesty.
I have already condenmed Clarkson here for his stupid comment, unfortunately it doesn't work both ways.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did I take part in a thread? Was there a thread? Do you know what my thoughts were? Nope, I didn't think so.....but continue deflecting mr LT :bored:

Edit......I've just checked that thread from June 2019 and I did not post at all in it....could it be that I didn't see it and I was busy? Could it be I had nothing to add as it was fairly well condemned or maybe I wasn't here at all?? Am I not allowed an opinion on this thread because I didn't post in that thread 3 years ago?

precisely..

[AnnieK]

NOT from their supporters on here....and I didn't say 'but', I said I can think of worse things, which is perfectly true, wouldn't you agree?
The distress and sadness they brought to the Queen is not 'questionable things', it was downright cruelty of a dying woman. Horrendous. Unforgivable.
Her Lady in Waiting and others were devastated at the effect it had on her Majesty.
I have already condenmed Clarkson here for his stupid comment, unfortunately it doesn't work both ways.

I didn't say "you" said anything.....I said their main detractors....that encompasses across all outlets and comments I have read. :shrug:

There is plenty to condemn Harry and Meghan for....however I don't like the feeling that people think any person is fair game for comment such as clarkson said because of their previous actions

[AnnieK]

precisely..

Precisely what???

Jesus, I can't remember what I did last week but now before I'm allowed an opinion I have to check thread history to see if I posted an opinion about someone you happen to admire :laugh:

So sorry LT....I don't have that much spare time but I'll try and be mindful not to upset your delicate feelings

[jet]

Clarkson has apologised.
Lady Susan has apologised.
Have Meghan and Harry apologised yet?
NO.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jeremy Clarkson Calls For Strikers To Be Shot

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/2bdwQHhtAovSBXskGx8f5w--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQyMztjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en_uk/News/skynews/16121362_400x240.jpg

Jeremy Clarkson said he would like to see striking public sector workers
"shot" in front of their families.

The Top Gear presenter made his comments on BBC's The One Show on the
evening
of Britain's biggest public sector strikes in 30 years.

He said of the strikers: "I'd have them all shot. I would take them outside
and execute them in front of their families.

"I mean, how dare they go on strike when they've got these gilt-edged
pensions that are going to be guaranteed while the rest of us have to work
for a living."

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jeremy-clarkson-calls-strikers-shot-012156802.html

[Niamh.]

Clarkson has apologised.

Lady Susan has apologised.

Have Meghan and Harry apologised yet?

NO.For what?

[Parmy]

You really went there :joker:

Comparing your hatred of Meghan to Hitler :joker: :joker:

And you’re not irrational? :joker: :joker: :joker:

Do you know Albert Kidd?

[Liam-]

For what?

For still breathing obviously

[Glenn.]

For what?

Imagined atrocities that Harry and Meghan have committed. Atrocities that have no evidence of happening unless you believe the Daily Fail

[Parmy]

Im afraid the issue is firmly with the Editor who would have seen this piece and passed it instead of politely saying that "sorry Jez but that is too much in light of recent very public attacks on young women - I get your column is all tongue in cheek and that its refers to a GOT famous moment and that Markle is a narcissistic passive-aggressive annoyance but that is too far and will create a sh1tstorm"

That is her job and she did not do it.



Useless woman...sack her now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

gfQd9jONoVE

[jet]

For what?

I’ll treat that disingenuous enquiry with the contempt it deserves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I’ll treat that disingenuous enquiry with the contempt it deserves.

well said Jet. Ridiculous pretence

[Glenn.]

Post some daily Mail articles to put her straight!!

[Alf]

It's his "opinion" to state that he wants to see her stripped naked and paraded through town having **** thrown at her?

That's not really an opinion, is it? I know he was exaggerating and that he thought he was being funny (he wasn't "joking", but he did think he was being funny) but I don't think the suggestion of gangs of ruddy faced blokes stripping and humiliating women "for their wrongs" in expressions of their sad, impotent rage should really fall in the realms of "just an opinion".

Drunkenly burped out in a pub it should get an eye-roll and ignored. Published in a national newspaper that's read by the exact sort of people who ould - unironically, and genuinely - like to see the people mentioned tarred and feathered ... it's just horrific.

As a "joke" it works better as a satire of the people who do genuinely get themselves emotional and upset thinking about a random celebrity and a family of dough-faced aristocrats.Of course it's an opinion. It's his opinion. What's not an opinion about that opinion?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Post some daily Mail articles to put her straight!!

post some comments from Harry and Meghan as they are legit??

:laugh2:

[rusticgal]

I rest my case.


You do your Honor…:laugh:

[user104658]

gfQd9jONoVE

The title of this reads like a parody of what an AI would generate if you asked it to create a YouTube video for gammon to wank over.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The title of this reads like a parody of what an AI would generate if you asked it to create a YouTube video for gammon to wank over.

I knew you'd be triggered

[Mystic Mock]

Im afraid the issue is firmly with the Editor who would have seen this piece and passed it instead of politely saying that "sorry Jez but that is too much in light of recent very public attacks on young women - I get your column is all tongue in cheek and that its refers to a GOT famous moment and that Markle is a narcissistic passive-aggressive annoyance but that is too far and will create a sh1tstorm"

That is her job and she did not do it.

That is a fair point.

How on earth did it pass by the Editor?

[Mystic Mock]

He could have defended his right to cause offence, but instead has given all the wrong people a chance to crawl onto the moral high ground

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2022/12/20/TELEMMGLPICT000320185588_1_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqPNvRg dOCtjgvqZdBkBney_6ar94-tuI_Va2sJ6_EF8k.jpeg?imwidth=1280

Jeremy Clarkson has never been the most subtle of writers, but his latest column has managed to exceed even his own outrage-expectations. In my view, if you want to call out the former royal couple for their excruciating and hypocritical behaviour, it pays to be everything they are not: reasonable, reserved and respectful. Fantasising about Meghan being paraded through the streets having lumps of excrement thrown at her is the very sort of thing which fuels the couple’s grievance machine, which allows them to say: see what we mean about racist Britain hating Meghan?

In truth, Netflix producers failed so miserably to demonstrate that Harry and Meghan were victims of an orchestrated hate campaign by the British tabloids that they were reduced to flashing up headlines from American publications. But Clarkson’s column will certainly be taking pride of place in the couple’s next film.

Today, however, that is not the main issue – for the debate has extended into one of free speech and Clarkson's right to cause offence. The answer is easy: of course he has that right. And having written what he did, Clarkson made an error by appearing to apologise. That is exactly what Harry and Meghan and their supporters want: for the British press, and potentially its regulators, to be so fearful of causing offence that they grovel before them.

Clarkson should have followed one of two examples. The first, like the best comedians, is to unashamedly defend his right to write what he did. The second would be to maintain a dignified silence: say nothing, or, at the very most insist that “interpretations of my column may vary”.

It isn’t just Harry and Meghan whose interests Jeremy Clarkson has helped serve by means of his apology: it is the entire liberal-Left establishment and its demented campaign against what it calls the “Right-wing press”. Is there anything more ridiculous than watching Sir Philip Pullman, for instance, mounting his high horse over Clarkson’s column? This is a man who tweeted, following the Brexit vote, “When I hear the name Boris Johnson for some reason the words ‘rope’ and ‘nearest lamp post’ come to mind as well.”

Were the liberal-Left to apply consistent standards, it would have demanded that Sir Philip’s books be removed from bookshop and library shelves, and films based on his books to be banned from television. But of course, different rules apply to “enlightened” liberal commentators, who are allowed to employ violent imagery in their arguments and brush aside complaints that they didn’t mean it literally (neither, funny enough, did Clarkson when he called for Meghan to be paraded naked through the streets).

There is nothing to be gained from paddling around in this swamp. Harry and Meghan’s campaign against Britain and its royal family can be better taken apart through forensic analysis of their claims and the hypocrisy they reveal minute by minute in their Netflix series (let’s not fall into the trap of calling it a documentary). Yes, this couple really did boast of the air miles they had run up during their relationship – while lecturing the rest of us on climate change.

Give Harry and Meghan the slightest chance to crawl onto the moral high ground and all this gets suppressed. Clarkson has handed them a PR victory by refusing to stand

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/20/jeremy-clarksons-biggest-mistake-capitulate/

I'm normally someone that normally supports free speech, even on topics that a lot of people would strongly disagree with me on, and think of me as prejudiced for holding those opinions.

However talking about having someone stripped naked and have **** thrown at her (knowing that she has a strong hate base) is potentially causing incitement, therefore it shouldn't be allowed imo.

This isn't a right or left thing for me, no grown adult should be in public talking about wanting to publicly humiliate someone, and compare them to a sadistic serial killer when talking about how much they hate said person.

Some of the more mentally ill people that have read Clarkson's column might try to take things into their own hands.

[Mystic Mock]

NOT from their supporters on here....and I didn't say 'but', I said I can think of worse things, which is perfectly true, wouldn't you agree?
The distress and sadness they brought to the Queen is not 'questionable things', it was downright cruelty of a dying woman. Horrendous. Unforgivable.
Her Lady in Waiting and others were devastated at the effect it had on her Majesty.
I have already condenmed Clarkson here for his stupid comment, unfortunately it doesn't work both ways.

I think what's unfortunate is that Harry & William in particular couldn't put their differences aside for Queen Elizabeth's last year or so.

[bots]

That is a fair point.

How on earth did it pass by the Editor?

like i said earlier. Traditional newspapers are not what they were 5 years ago let alone 10 or 20. They are staffed by kids fresh out of college because they are cheap and looking for a start.

The whole newspaper thing has been completely dumbed down to click bait. I thought it was obvious.

[Mystic Mock]

like i said earlier. Traditional newspapers are not what they were 5 years ago let alone 10 or 20. They are staffed by kids fresh out of college because they are cheap and looking for a start.

The whole newspaper thing has been completely dumbed down to click bait. I thought it was obvious.

It does make sense I suppose.

Hopefully this will be a lesson to the people that run these Newspapers, make sure to check what's being written by your workers.:joker:

[joeysteele]

It does make sense I suppose.

Hopefully this will be a lesson to the people that run these Newspapers, make sure to check what's being written by your workers.:joker:

We don't have genuine NEWS papers Mock in my view.
We have publications only peddling their own agendas.
Distorting news and facts rather than printing real news.

I can't bear any of them.
I never buy any or read any.
I only see the headlines etc; posted on here and they're bad enough without reading the rest of their more like garbage.

Why people waste hundreds of pounds a year at least on them is astonishing to say the least.
That people believe their content is even more concerning.

This is the Sun after all which along with the Mail is one of the really sick and misleading gutter trash publication it's possible to be.

Clarkson with his divisive, sick and vile opinions is well suited to the Sun.
It's no surprise they'd eagerly put it into print in THEIR paper.
Supporting his vile agenda platform they have given him.

Your other post before this one.
Where you mention free speech I also agree fully with that.
The content of the comments he made are a disgrace and indefensible in any area of any decency.

Why people like him get any media outlets to spout out their vile bigotry and bile is sickening, to me anyhow.

[jet]

I think what's unfortunate is that Harry & William in particular couldn't put their differences aside for Queen Elizabeth's last year or so.

It was specifically the actions and words of Harry and Meghan that the Lady in Waiting referred to as causing distress to the Queen and having a detrimental effect on her health. She didn’t mention the brothers' relationship, though obviously William and others were adversely affected by their actions as well.

[Nicky91]

:yuk: :yuk: i never liked creepo Clarkson

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/DION666J/status/1605252762400440320?s=20&t=Ehi_P6IldZ-34JDcr8skLw

https://twitter.com/govindajeggy/status/1604462302790844418?s=20&t=Ehi_P6IldZ-34JDcr8skLw

[jet]

We don't have genuine NEWS papers Mock in my view.
We have publications only peddling their own agendas.
Distorting news and facts rather than printing real news.

I can't bear any of them.
I never buy any or read any.
I only see the headlines etc; posted on here and they're bad enough without reading the rest of their more like garbage.

Why people waste hundreds of pounds a year at least on them is astonishing to say the least.
That people believe their content is even more concerning.



The Daily Mail and The Times are the 2 papers that over the years, relating to Royal news in particular, have proved very accurate in their reporting and analysis of situations. I should know, I’ve been reading them for over 20 years and more often than not, they have turned out to be correct in their reporting.

You can’t possibly say otherwise if you never read them and gauge their accuracy over time??
Headlines are often exaggerated to catch the attention - as they say, you can’t judge a book by its cover.

[joeysteele]

The Daily Mail and The Times are the 2 papers that over the years, relating to Royal news in particular, have proved very accurate in their reporting and analysis of situations. I should know, I’ve been reading them for over 20 years and more often than not, they have turned out to be correct in their reporting.

You can’t possibly say otherwise if you never read them and gauge their accuracy over time??
Headlines are often exaggerated to catch the attention - as they say, you can’t judge a book by its cover.


Nonsense I'm sorry to say to that.

My own Father bought the Mail right up to 2011.
Even he got sick of its slide into the gutter.
So cancelled his order for it.

I'm aware it's one of your sources possibly and one you may admire.
For myself it's a long list of gutter trash reporting and I wouldn't spend a pence on a paper nor believe the majority ANY of them say now.

They should ALL for me be on fiction stands not news stands.
Local press are better in my view.
Also that free one the Metro.

The others.
For me.the sooner their sales dwindle further that they go out of print the better.

Oh and I can say whatever I like, just as you do jet.

[thesheriff443]

We have witnessed the lies first hand as they fell out of Meghan’s mouth on camera and have been proven to be lies

People that take the moral high ground need while supporting a proven liar need a check up from the head up

[Glenn.]

Anyone that condones a grown man saying he dreams of watching a woman paraded through the streets naked whilst the public throw **** at her needs help.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone that condones a grown man saying he dreams of watching a woman paraded through the streets naked whilst the public throw **** at her needs help.

Id say the person who cannot separate a fictitious comic exaggeration from reality would need more help....

[Glenn.]

Imagine dying on that hill. Sad man

[jet]

Nonsense I'm sorry to say to that.

My own Father bought the Mail right up to 2011.
Even he got sick of its slide into the gutter.
So cancelled his order for it.

I'm aware it's one of your sources possibly and one you may admire.
For myself it's a long list of gutter trash reporting and I wouldn't spend a pence on a paper nor believe the majority ANY of them say now.

They should ALL for me be on fiction stands not news stands.
Local press are better in my view.
Also that free one the Metro.

The others.
For me.the sooner their sales dwindle further that they go out of print the better.

Oh and I can say whatever I like, just as you do jet.

You don’t know if you don’t read the papers I referred to. That’s like saying you hate all novels by a particular author even though you’ve never read any of them. Pure bias.

I’m afraid your father giving up reading the Mail has got nothing whatsoever to do with me Royal watching for many years and finding that the Mail and the Times were proved consistently accurate in their reporting of them over the years. How rude to call my conclusions ‘nonsense’ when you have no way of refuting them.
I will say that I can’t vouch for the accuracy over time of other subjects the Mail or the Times may have reported on.

[jet]

We have witnessed the lies first hand as they fell out of Meghan’s mouth on camera and have been proven to be lies

People that take the moral high ground need while supporting a proven liar need a check up from the head up

Many don’t care that she’s a liar, or a destroyer of families, or a narcissist, or an opportunist, as long as she is pretending to care about subjects to make her fortune that fit in with their own mindsets, it's all good. Morals be damned.

[AnnieK]

Many don’t care that she’s a liar, or a destroyer of families, or a narcissist, or an opportunist, as long as she is pretending to care about subjects to make her fortune that fit in with their own mindsets, it's all good. Morals be damned.

At least two of those things could also be pointed at the King, he lied about his affair and destroyed his family. Some people have never forgiven him for his actions then. I've also read a number of articles where he has been described as narcissistic but he also has done a world of good with his Princes' Trust etc etc

It all comes down to whether you fundamentally "like" a person whether you can overlook certain things.

[Zizu]

At least two of those things could also be pointed at the King, he lied about his affair and destroyed his family. Some people have never forgiven him for his actions then. I've also read a number of articles where he has been described as narcissistic but he also has done a world of good with his Princes' Trust etc etc

It all comes down to whether you fundamentally "like" a person whether you can overlook certain things.


I don’t even like reading about him or seeing images of him after the way he behaved towards Princess Di .

He talks to his plants … that’s all you really need to know about Charlie boy . .


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[joeysteele]

You don’t know if you don’t read the papers I referred to. That’s like saying you hate all novels by a particular author even though you’ve never read any of them. Pure bias.

I’m afraid your father giving up reading the Mail has got nothing whatsoever to do with me Royal watching for many years and finding that the Mail and the Times were proved consistently accurate in their reporting of them over the years. How rude to call my conclusions ‘nonsense’ when you have no way of refuting them.
I will say that I can’t vouch for the accuracy over time of other subjects the Mail or the Times may have reported on.

Yes just get on with it jet.
Yes I'm rude I guess in your eyes, that's your view.

I made a big error even bothering to respond to you.
I will not again.

I have my view on papers you have yours.
I don't believe any of them present news as it should be.
You disagree.

No point in pursuing anything further.

The nonsense I referred to was papers are reliable and truthful sources.
I don't think they are .
You clearly think they are.

So there it is.
I'll follow MY late Father's lead on the Mail not yours.
Plus from being at Uni until 2013 too.
I formed my own view of papers.

Where I became more infuriated daily at their distortion of facts, what people said, and their own agenda presented as news rather than facts.
I think our media is now more likely to misrepresent and misinterpret the real news rather than give the service of just printing it.

I wouldn't waste any money on any of the UKs papers media.
Certainly never the trash that is the Mail.
Top of the list for me to avoid is that one.

That's my position, it's not yours you think they tell the truth.
That's fair enough.

[jet]

At least two of those things could also be pointed at the King, he lied about his affair and destroyed his family. Some people have never forgiven him for his actions then. I've also read a number of articles where he has been described as narcissistic but he also has done a world of good with his Princes' Trust etc etc

It all comes down to whether you fundamentally "like" a person whether you can overlook certain things.

Charles’ marriage was an unfortunate mismatch of a marriage - he didn’t ‘destroy’ his family deliberately, no more than Diana destroyed Julia Carling’s marriage deliberately.
I’ve never heard of Charles being called a narcissist, by many accounts he is described as a sensitive and deeply caring man.

Meghan is a proven destructive and spiteful woman, who has done nothing of note that hasn’t lined her own pockets and who continues to hypocritically cling on to the titles of a ‘colonial’ institution she criticises at every turn. She's a fake if ever I saw a fake.

Why would anyone like her enough to not care about many things she does? No one has ever attempted to explain.
Which leads me to believe they don’t care about her morality because what she says and does fits in with their own agendas - for example, anti - monarchy, race baiting, or, wait for it - they think her character in Suits is what she is really like. :facepalm:

[AnnieK]

Charles’ marriage was an unfortunate mismatch of a marriage - he didn’t ‘destroy’ his family deliberately, no more than Diana destroyed Julia Carling’s marriage deliberately.
I’ve never heard of Charles being called a narcissist, by many accounts he is described as a sensitive and deeply caring man.

Meghan is a proven destructive and spiteful woman, who has done nothing of note that hasn’t lined her own pockets and who continues to hypocritically cling on to the titles of a ‘colonial’ institution she criticises at every turn. She's a fake if ever I saw a fake.

Why would anyone like her enough to not care about many things she does? No one has ever attempted to explain.
Which leads me to believe they don’t care about her morality because what she says and does fits in with their own agendas - for example, anti - monarchy, race baiting, or, wait for it - they think her character in Suits is what she is really like. :facepalm:

I can link to articles but sure you'll find them if you look.

I can't speak for why someone likes or dislikes her. She is being blamed for all the problems but Harry is equally to blame in my opinion. However, its a little insulting to insinuate people think she is actually Rachel Zane.....:laugh:

Anyway....its Christmas and I've had enough of the Royal Family and Meghan Markle for this year.....have a lovely Christmas with your family Jet :love:

[jet]

Yes just get on with it jet.
Yes I'm rude I guess in your eyes, that's your view.

I made a big error even bothering to respond to you.
I will not again.

I have my view on papers you have yours.
I don't believe any of them present news as it should be.
You disagree.

No point in pursuing anything further.

The nonsense I referred to was papers are reliable and truthful sources.
I don't think they are .
You clearly think they are.

So there it is.
I'll follow MY late Father's lead on the Mail not yours.
Plus from being at Uni until 2013 too.
I formed my own view of papers.

Where I became more infuriated daily at their distortion of facts, what people said, and their own agenda presented as news rather than facts.
I think our media is now more likely to misteoreseht and misinterpret the real news rather than give the service of just printing it.

I wouldn't waste any money on any of the UKs papers media.
Certainly never the trash that is the Mail.
Top of the list for me to avoud is that one.

That's my position, it's not yours you think they tell the truth.
That's fair enough.

Stop twisting my words. I did not imply ALL papers are truthful, indeed I have no idea how truthful the ones I referred to, The Mail and The Times are on other matters.

I'll repeat their reporting of ROYAL news over the years have turned out in the passage of time to be mainly accurate and as I have been reading the ROYAL news in those two papers for over 20 years, I am in a position to give that opinion and it is rude to continually brush aside my own experiences and insist you know better.

You don't seem to have read my posts properly because you go off on a tangent and refer to things I didn't even say.

[jet]

I can link to articles but sure you'll find them if you look.

I can't speak for why someone likes or dislikes her. She is being blamed for all the problems but Harry is equally to blame in my opinion. However, its a little insulting to insinuate people think she is actually Rachel Zane.....:laugh:

Anyway....its Christmas and I've had enough of the Royal Family and Meghan Markle for this year.....have a lovely Christmas with your family Jet :love:

We were discussing Meghan though...and I have actually read comments (not here!) where people say she got the part of Rachel on Suits because she was so like her (and many love! her because they fancied her on Suits). :rolleyes:

You didn't go there with why you liked her, ( I was hoping) :hee: but it's Christmas and I totally get why you have had enough. Be gone H&M! :hehe:

You have a lovely Christmas with your family too Annie. Enjoy! :love:

[joeysteele]

Stop twisting my words. I did not imply ALL papers are truthful, indeed I have no idea how truthful the ones I referred to, The Mail and The Times are on other matters.

I'll repeat their reporting of ROYAL news over the years have turned out in the passage of time to be mainly accurate and as I have been reading the ROYAL news in those two papers for over 20 years, I am in a position to give that opinion and it is rude to continually brush aside my own experiences and insist you know better.

You don't seem to have read my posts properly because you go off on a tangent and refer to things I didn't even say.

.... However it's not rude of you to tell me because I don't buy papers or read them that I should virtually have no valid opinion on them.

I won't even entertain the twisting of words.
I don't have the energy to waste on that..

WHERE did I say I KNOW better.
All I've given is my opinion of the papers.

Anyhow, like Annie.
I've preparations to do for Christmas.
I also don't care enough about the DYSFUNCTIONAL WHOLE Royal family to continue.

So I say too have a good Christmas jet.

[Glenn.]

:hehe:

[jet]

.... However it's not rude of you to tell me because I don't buy papers or read them that I should virtually have no valid opinion on them.

I won't even entertain the twisting of words.
I don't have the energy to waste on that..

WHERE did I say I KNOW better.
All I've given is my opinion of the papers.

Anyhow, like Annie.
I've preparations to do for Christmas.
I also don't care enough about the DYSFUNCTIONAL WHOLE Royal family to continue.

So I say too have a good Christmas jet.

You too Joey, and a Happy New Year if we don't cross paths again this year. :)

[joeysteele]

You too Joey, and a Happy New Year if we don't cross paths again this year. :)

Likewise, Happy New Year to you too jet.
Surely 2023 must have something better to come.

[jet]

Likewise, Happy New Year to you too jet.
Surely 2023 must have something better to come.

Lets hope so. We all need it! :)

[AnnieK]

We were discussing Meghan though...and I have actually read comments (not here!) where people say she got the part of Rachel on Suits because she was so like her (and many love! her because they fancied her on Suits). :rolleyes:

You didn't go there with why you liked her, ( I was hoping) :hee: but it's Christmas and I totally get why you have had enrough. Be gone H&M! :hehe:

You have a lovely Christmas with your family too Annie. Enjoy! :love:

Lol, I will answer that. I didn't go there because, well, I have no strong feelings for her either way. I feel that she takes a ridiculous bashing at times and other times I can see where people are coming from. If I feel I can see another side to things or I think that its something gone too far like the subject of this thread, I will post my opinion, hence my references to Charles and Kate in this thread but in all honesty, if I never heard about any of them again I would lose no sleep :laugh: . I only have a passing interest in the Royals as my late mum was an avid Royal reader....more historical than current but enough that she discussed her opinions with me.

[Mystic Mock]

We don't have genuine NEWS papers Mock in my view.
We have publications only peddling their own agendas.
Distorting news and facts rather than printing real news.

I can't bear any of them.
I never buy any or read any.
I only see the headlines etc; posted on here and they're bad enough without reading the rest of their more like garbage.

Why people waste hundreds of pounds a year at least on them is astonishing to say the least.
That people believe their content is even more concerning.

This is the Sun after all which along with the Mail is one of the really sick and misleading gutter trash publication it's possible to be.

Clarkson with his divisive, sick and vile opinions is well suited to the Sun.
It's no surprise they'd eagerly put it into print in THEIR paper.
Supporting his vile agenda platform they have given him.

Your other post before this one.
Where you mention free speech I also agree fully with that.
The content of the comments he made are a disgrace and indefensible in any area of any decency.

Why people like him get any media outlets to spout out their vile bigotry and bile is sickening, to me anyhow.

I agree 100% with what you've said Joey.

Especially about the part where people believe anything that Newspapers (especially The Sun) tell them.

[Mystic Mock]

It was specifically the actions and words of Harry and Meghan that the Lady in Waiting referred to as causing distress to the Queen and having a detrimental effect on her health. She didn’t mention the brothers' relationship, though obviously William and others were adversely affected by their actions as well.

I get that's her version of events.

But personally I feel like both Harry and William were stupid to not put their differences aside when knowing that the Queen's health was deteriorating.

I suspect that will be something that both of them will regret later in life.

[Mystic Mock]

We have witnessed the lies first hand as they fell out of Meghan’s mouth on camera and have been proven to be lies

People that take the moral high ground need while supporting a proven liar need a check up from the head up

People will defend a liar if it's against someone inciting violence and comparing said liar to a serial killer.

[Parmy]

Anyone that condones a grown man saying he dreams of watching a woman paraded through the streets naked whilst the public throw **** at her needs help.



Nobody can control their dreams...

No matter what redway says.

[Parmy]

Imagine dying on that hill. Sad man

Who are you talking to?


A forum member? Or clarckson.

If its clarkson, you need help.

If its s forum member you need infracted.

[thesheriff443]

People will defend a liar if it's against someone inciting violence and comparing said liar to a serial killer.

They have been lying for three years
Long before idiots came along to mock them.

[Parmy]

.... However it's not rude of you to tell me because I don't buy papers or read them that I should virtually have no valid opinion on them.

I won't even entertain the twisting of words.
I don't have the energy to waste on that..

WHERE did I say I KNOW better.
All I've given is my opinion of the papers.

Anyhow, like Annie.
I've preparations to do for Christmas.
I also don't care enough about the DYSFUNCTIONAL WHOLE Royal family to continue.

So I say too have a good Christmas jet.



Tbh joey, you've said you have no vested interested to care enough on many upon many occasions in thread after thread about the royal family..

Merry xmas though, enjoy the festive fisting of the turkey.

[jet]

Lol, I will answer that. I didn't go there because, well, I have no strong feelings for her either way. I feel that she takes a ridiculous bashing at times and other times I can see where people are coming from. If I feel I can see another side to things or I think that its something gone too far like the subject of this thread, I will post my opinion, hence my references to Charles and Kate in this thread but in all honesty, if I never heard about any of them again I would lose no sleep :laugh: . I only have a passing interest in the Royals as my late mum was an avid Royal reader....more historical than current but enough that she discussed her opinions with me.

Thanks for answering. I’m relieved you didn’t tell me you think Meghan is a compassionate humanitarian who is very misunderstood (I didn’t really think you would). :hee:
Like your Mum, I too am very interested in historical Royalty, from Alfred the Great to the present day. I read and read and read, my bookshelves are full of the stuff. Every dynasty had their own trials and tribulations and wonderful, fascinating stories. In every dynasty there were great people and mediocre people and awful people. I would have liked to have had a chinwag with your Mum, there aren't many people I know who want to talk Royal stuff, which is why I come here for the present Royal goings on and another Forum where we discuss other dynasties.
My Dad, when he was alive, met quite a few Royals, when he worked at Stormont and had to attend functions for them at Hillsborough Castle, and I met the Queen and Philip and Charles on a few occasions as a child, (I always wanted to meet Diana, but never did) so that is where my interest started from I think. Sorry for rambling on…:laugh:

[jet]

Nobody can control their dreams...

No matter what redway says.

:laugh: :wavey:

[Parmy]

:laugh: :wavey:

Good evening jet.

I hope you are set for xmas and looking forward it.

Personalised cards this year?

[jet]

Good evening jet.

I hope you are set for xmas and looking forward it.

Personalised cards this year?

I am nearly all set, just going out now to get a few more pressies.
Not sending any cards, gave them up last year.

Have a lovely Xmas Parmy. :love:

[Parmy]

I am nearly all set, just going out now to get a few more pressies.
Not sending any cards, gave them up last year.

Have a lovely Xmas Parmy. :love:

The kings speech huh..


How wierd it feels to have lived through a king and a queen...and also david Bowie..

Crazy times.

[joeysteele]

Tbh joey, you've said you have no vested interested to care enough on many upon many occasions in thread after thread about the royal family..

Merry xmas though, enjoy the festive fisting of the turkey.

I've avoided purposely threads on the Royals.
They are a part of the UK as to both history and the present however.

I think if you totalled my posts on Royal threads particularly the Sussexes it would fall well short of others on here.

Not that I SHOULD have to avoid the threads or be pulled up if I don't.

Furthermore while this thread has the Duchess of Sussex as part of it.
It's really about Clarkson and his vile views.
Which I abhor on just about all the subjects he makes them on.
From years ago ridiculing Gordon Brown with his having lost an eye in his life.
Or other controversial hateful comments he makes on others he doesn't particularly like.

Furthermore again just to point it out.
I said I had preparations to get started and do for Christmas.
So today didn't care enough about the DYSFUNCTIONAL whole Royal family to continue with jet on them today.

Quite why you've waded in on me now after myself and jet had concluded more cordially, is a mystery but I have listed my points.

I can't be bothered to but you could go through all the Royal threads if you wish and list all the people who have commented on them with their total posts.
Then we'll see exactly how far down as to posts on them I actually would be.

[Parmy]

You say a abhore, detest, cant abide...I just say hate and be done with it..I think the feelings amount to much the same.

[joeysteele]

You say a abhore, detest, cant abide...I just say hate and be done with it..I think the feelings amount to much the same.

I'll use the words I want to, when and how I want to.
Thank you.

You are under no obligation to read them.

[Glenn.]

Who are you talking to?


A forum member? Or clarckson.

If its clarkson, you need help.

If its s forum member you need infracted.

You’ll never know

[Parmy]

You’ll never know

Or care tbf.

[Parmy]

I'll use the words I want to, when and how I want to.
Thank you.

You are under no obligation to read them.

O I like reading your words Joey. I am also not coming for you or pouncing on you.

It was a light hearted jokey gesture..

You see, I read and enjoy your posts that much that I know what youve said in threads.

Take it as a compliment, and be thankful you can think of other words to use rather than the word hate.

Glenn would be all over you otherwise, pouncing like a hungry leopard that bloke.

[joeysteele]

O I like reading your words Joey. I am also not coming for you or pouncing on you.

It was a light hearted jokey gesture..

You see, I read and enjoy your posts that much that I know what youve said in threads.

Take it as a compliment, and be thankful you can think of other words to use rather than the word hate.

Glenn would be all over you otherwise, pouncing like a hungry leopard that bloke.

No worries parmnion.
I like you and like reading your posts too.

Sending you all my best wishes for Christmas and 2023.
As I said to jet.
Surely 2023 can bring something better.

[Mystic Mock]

They have been lying for three years
Long before idiots came along to mock them.

I get that.

But what's them being liars got to do with what Jeremy Clarkson has said? This isn't just aimed at you Sheriff, this is aimed at everyone who keeps saying how much they don't like Meghan, and to me you don't have to like Meghan to think that what Jeremy Clarkson said was bang out of order.

And contrary to popular belief, to those Tweets that LT has put up on here, you don't have to be left wing to find his comments offensive.

Speaking for myself I never really paid Clarkson too much attention apart from his spat with a Producer on Top Gear, and tbh nowadays I feel like a suspension sufficed in that particular incident.

However he has clearly crossed the line imo, it shouldn't even have to be said, and speaking for myself I'd be saying exactly the same thing if Meghan had've wrote a column with this level of hatred towards Clarkson.

[Mystic Mock]

Thanks for answering. I’m relieved you didn’t tell me you think Meghan is a compassionate humanitarian who is very misunderstood (I didn’t really think you would). :hee:
Like your Mum, I too am very interested in historical Royalty, from Alfred the Great to the present day. I read and read and read, my bookshelves are full of the stuff. Every dynasty had their own trials and tribulations and wonderful, fascinating stories. In every dynasty there were great people and mediocre people and awful people. I would have liked to have had a chinwag with your Mum, there aren't many people I know who want to talk Royal stuff, which is why I come here for the present Royal goings on and another Forum where we discuss other dynasties.
My Dad, when he was alive, met quite a few Royals, when he worked at Stormont and had to attend functions for them at Hillsborough Castle, and I met the Queen and Philip and Charles on a few occasions as a child, (I always wanted to meet Diana, but never did) so that is where my interest started from I think. Sorry for rambling on…:laugh:

There's nothing wrong with talking about your own interests and personal life experiences.:)

[Mystic Mock]

I've avoided purposely threads on the Royals.
They are a part of the UK as to both history and the present however.

I think if you totalled my posts on Royal threads particularly the Sussexes it would fall well short of others on here.

Not that I SHOULD have to avoid the threads or be pulled up if I don't.

Furthermore while this thread has the Duchess of Sussex as part of it.
It's really about Clarkson and his vile views.
Which I abhor on just about all the subjects he makes them on.
From years ago ridiculing Gordon Brown with his having lost an eye in his life.
Or other controversial hateful comments he makes on others he doesn't particularly like.

Furthermore again just to point it out.
I said I had preparations to get started and do for Christmas.
So today didn't care enough about the DYSFUNCTIONAL whole Royal family to continue with jet on them today.

Quite why you've waded in on me now after myself and jet had concluded more cordially, is a mystery but I have listed my points.

I can't be bothered to but you could go through all the Royal threads if you wish and list all the people who have commented on them with their total posts.
Then we'll see exactly how far down as to posts on them I actually would be.

Clarkson mocked Gordon Brown losing an eye?

Tbf I remember doing the same thing with Steve from BB11 back in 2010 so I probably have no right to condemn Clarkson for his comment, but it is another example of him just being a nasty piece of ****.

[thesheriff443]

I get that.

But what's them being liars got to do with what Jeremy Clarkson has said? This isn't just aimed at you Sheriff, this is aimed at everyone who keeps saying how much they don't like Meghan, and to me you don't have to like Meghan to think that what Jeremy Clarkson said was bang out of order.

And contrary to popular belief, to those Tweets that LT has put up on here, you don't have to be left wing to find his comments offensive.

Speaking for myself I never really paid Clarkson too much attention apart from his spat with a Producer on Top Gear, and tbh nowadays I feel like a suspension sufficed in that particular incident.

However he has clearly crossed the line imo, it shouldn't even have to be said, and speaking for myself I'd be saying exactly the same thing if Meghan had've wrote a column with this level of hatred towards Clarkson.

The problem is mock it didn’t come from clarkson hating Meghan, it came from a man trying to be funny and out spoken and edgy.

He folded like a pack of cards when people reacted badly to what he said, some one that truly hates some one doesn’t give a fcuk and they stand by what they have said , come hell or high water

What he said was wrong but he is not a serial killer.

[joeysteele]

Clarkson mocked Gordon Brown losing an eye?

Tbf I remember doing the same thing with Steve from BB11 back in 2010 so I probably have no right to condemn Clarkson for his comment, but it is another example of him just being a nasty piece of ****.

He was as I recall ranting about Brown when he was Prime Minister and one of his insults was he was a Scottish one eyed idiot.
He did end up making an apology but it seems his apologies are meaningless because he just keeps repeating his vile commenting.

Quite what being Scottish and having lost an eye in life warranted such abuse to be levelled at Brown is whatever is in his warped thinking.

You can hate the policies of someone like in politics, call them out on and hate their deceit and lies.
Personalised comments of a disability or even nationality are unnecessary.
In my view anyhow.

That though was decades ago with Gordon Brown yet here he is still creating deliberately divisive controversy.
I've actually never liked Clarkson myself.
He's someone I'd never want to know.

So back to this thread..
It's very easy for me to fully agree with Nicola Sturgeon on Clarkson.
She's dead right

[Mystic Mock]

The problem is mock it didn’t come from clarkson hating Meghan, it came from a man trying to be funny and out spoken and edgy.

He folded like a pack of cards when people reacted badly to what he said, some one that truly hates some one doesn’t give a fcuk and they stand by what they have said , come hell or high water

What he said was wrong but he is not a serial killer.

Tbf your points are pretty valid imo, I can't argue too much with what's been said here.

And I do agree with you that obviously there are worse people than Jeremy Clarkson in the world.

[Mystic Mock]

He was as I recall ranting about Brown when he was Prime Minister and one of his insults was he was a Scottish one eyed idiot.
He did end up making an apology but it seems his apologies are meaningless because he just keeps repeating his vile commenting.

Quite what being Scottish and having lost an eye in life warranted such abuse to be levelled at Brown is whatever is in his warped thinking.

You can hate the policies of someone like in politics, call them out on and hate their deceit and lies.
Personalised comments of a disability or even nationality are unnecessary.
In my view anyhow.

That though was decades ago with Gordon Brown yet here he is still creating deliberately divisive controversy.
I've actually never liked Clarkson myself.
He's someone I'd never want to know.

So back to this thread..
It's very easy for me to fully agree with Nicola Sturgeon on Clarkson.
She's dead right

Clarkson does appear to be an unpleasant individual, so I can't blame you for not liking him.

[GoldHeart]

How Jeremy Clarkson ever got a job on millionaire , I'll never know.He should get the sack !.

This just confirms what a disgusting person he is. Whatever people think of Meghan..
What was the point in those grotesque comments?!.

[GiRTh]

JDdobQQtD3E

[Oliver_W]

Sturgeon has no room to call anyone misogynistic, when her Women Erasure Bill has got through tne Scottish Parliament...

[GoldHeart]

Sturgeon has no room to call anyone misogynistic, when her Women Erasure Bill has got through tne Scottish Parliament...

Yeah she's a mess tbh , didn't she also cover for her fellow MP who was caught texting a minor or something??.

[GoldHeart]

However I still wish Clarkson would get sacked .

[Crimson Dynamo]

However I still wish Clarkson would get sacked .

They will have made so much more money at The Sun over the last week so why would they when he is incredibly successful for them (and of course Amazon where he has 2 massive hit shows)

[rusticgal]

I hope he doesn't get sacked...he is brilliant on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope he doesn't get sacked...he is brilliant on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

ITV have already said he is fine

[GoldHeart]

I hope he doesn't get sacked...he is brilliant on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

:umm2:

A bag of crisps would be more useful.

[Nicky91]

I hope he doesn't get sacked...he is brilliant on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

i hope he does get sacked, ruin his career for good, its what this piece of scum deserves

[Mystic Mock]

JDdobQQtD3E

Personally I'll never forget the Media's treatment towards Caroline.

In one way it's even worse than how they've treated Meghan because they knew that Caroline had mental health issues, and they kept pushing and pushing.

[Mystic Mock]

i hope he does get sacked, ruin his career for good, its what this piece of scum deserves

I don't know about ruining his career.

But he should be sacked from Who Wants To Be A Millionaire imo, as it's meant to be lighthearted casual entertainment, Clarkson is the wrong fit for that type of Show at this point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Personally I'll never forget the Media's treatment towards Caroline.

In one way it's even worse than how they've treated Meghan because they knew that Caroline had mental health issues, and they kept pushing and pushing.

And this poor neighbour of hers wont forget the nightmare of being her
neighbour and how vile she was to him.. id imagine her Mum forgot to tell
that left wing LBC lady about that?

'NEIGHBOUR FROM HELL' Caroline Flack’s neighbour slams ex-Love Island host over ‘extremely selfish’ 5am parties and noisy arguments

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/NINTCHDBPICT000549071571.jpg?w=620

He said:" All I was asking from her is to be a little more reasonable and show
some consideration for us as the house was terrible.

"We would regularly hear her arguing with Andrew and then she would have
parties at gone midnight until 5am during the week when we had to get up
for work.

"One time I had just had my wisdom teeth out and she started playing really
loud music in the early hours and it was throbbing right under our bed.

"I texted her and told her about my teeth and said could she keep it down

and she replied saying she had wasn't going to live her life by my teeth.

"I just don't think she has any concept of how other people live and she is
extremely selfish. I can understand why Andrew, who was a decent enough
guy, moved to Australia.

In July Caroline even admitted she was a terrible neighbour in an interview
with glossy monthly Cosmopolitan and poked fun at Jake without naming
him.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10623096/caroline-flack-neighbour-5am-parties/

[joeysteele]

I don't know about ruining his career.

But he should be sacked from Who Wants To Be A Millionaire imo, as it's meant to be lighthearted casual entertainment, Clarkson is the wrong fit for that type of Show at this point.

I totally agree.

I haven't watched it since he was made presenter and won't for as long as he's on it.
I watch nothing he has been, is, or will be on.

[user104658]

And this poor neighbour of hers wont forget the nightmare of being her
neighbour and how vile she was to him.. id imagine her Mum forgot to tell
that left wing LBC lady about that?

Yes definitely, a mum on TV talking about her child who had mental health problems so severe that she killed herself should have taken a moment to think about ... some chap with a noisy-neighbor complaint like 99% of us have had or will have at some point in our adult lives. Won't somebody think of the poor souls who have to put up with loud music and arguing!

Even for you, this is a stretch. I struggle to believe that you actually believe this. That's not me "speaking for you" - that's me struggling to believe that ANYONE legitimately thinks like this.

[Glenn.]

Troll

[Glenn.]

Oops I meant lol

[GoldHeart]

I totally agree.

I haven't watched it since he was made presenter and won't for as long as he's on it.
I watch nothing he has been, is, or will be on.

Clarkson really is a bag of sh1t , no idea why he's popular.

He's useless as the 'ask the host' aswell . An empty crisp packet has more charisma.

[rusticgal]

Clarkson really is a bag of sh1t.


...so that comment makes you no better than him...:smug:

[GoldHeart]

...so that comment makes you no better than him...:smug:

And yet you don't apply this same motto ...to Meghan ,ahhh well never mind eh.