Male rapist pretends to be Trans to get to woman's jail. Now told do one, by Nicola

[Oliver_W]

We've gone so far the other way...that common sense has well and truly left the building. Today on Jeremy Vine ,they were still calling this rapist a "she" :facepalm: .

Do women stop being women if they commit crimes?

[GoldHeart]

Do women stop being women if they commit crimes?

Of course women are still women ...which has nothing to do with this , why are you even comparing?.

We all know predators are exploiting this loophole , and if someone has been assaulted by a man....who still has male body parts ,why should we believe him ,when he conveniently becomes a woman after he's been convicted / arrested.

[Oliver_W]

Of course women are still women ...which has nothing to do with this , why are you even comparing?.

We all know predators are exploiting this loophole , and if someone has been assaulted by a man....who still has male body parts ,why should we believe him ,when he conveniently becomes a woman after he's been convicted / arrested.

I'm not comparing anything, I'm pointing out that to some, transwomen are as female as biological women.

[Alf]

A sad reality of parenting is that you have to involve yourself in such things - because you can't provide proper context and protection against social contagion if you're caught on the back foot.

Any parent of a teenager who isn't ok TikTok is asleep at the wheel. I genuinely believe that.

By the time the boys at my daughter's school started coming out with Andrew Tate crap, we already had her pre-prepped with all of the info she needed about people like Tate, how he operates, what his social media followers and acolytes are all about, plus a full history of Reddit redpill and how to handle those sorts of idiots.

You have to know what you're looking at to nip it in the bud.At this point in time Andrew Tate has been kidnapped and is basically a political Prisoner.

You should have pre-prepared them on those that actually believe they hold power over you.

[Beso]

This story reminds me off my 2 paedophiles faking being gay so they can adopt worries.

[user104658]

At this point in time Andrew Tate has been kidnapped and is basically a political Prisoner.

You should have pre-prepared them on those that actually believe they hold power over you.

He's not a political prisoner, he's a self-confessed pimp being held on sex trafficking charges.

What's more "real" in the life of a teenage girl in the UK, Alf:

1) conspiracy theories about "The Matrix coming for you to hold power over you"

2) cackling teenage boys with ****-eating grins, bullying girls, getting aggressive, and openly threatening sexual assault on a casual Tuesday afternoon in maths class.

I have a daughter who is out there trying to navigate the world around her, full of angry young boys with heads full of pornified nonsense peddled to them by a goblin-faced sex trafficking incel. She's not sat at home on the couch, browsing the internet and getting worried about the grand political tides of the New World Order. Get a grip. I can tell you for a fact that she's more at risk from the bitter, jaded redpill lads at her school than she is from some vague "holders of power out there somewhere".

[Alf]

He's not a political prisoner, he's a self-confessed pimp being held on sex trafficking charges.

What's more "real" in the life of a teenage girl in the UK, Alf:

1) conspiracy theories about "The Matrix coming for you to hold power over you"

2) cackling teenage boys with ****-eating grins, bullying girls, getting aggressive, and openly threatening sexual assault on a casual Tuesday afternoon in maths class.

I have a daughter who is out there trying to navigate the world around her, full of angry young boys with heads full of pornified nonsense peddled to them by a goblin-faced sex trafficking incel. She's not sat at home on the couch, browsing the internet and getting worried about the grand political tides of the New World Order. Get a grip. I can tell you for a fact that she's more at risk from the bitter, jaded redpill lads at her school than she is from some vague "holders of power out there somewhere".Sounds like you're raising her to be a man hater. So she'll never have a real man about to protect her, she'll only have her cats.

[Niamh.]

Sounds like you're raising her to be a man hater. So she'll never have a real man about to protect her, she'll only have her cats.

Cats are great though :hee:


Sounds like TS is raising his daughters to be able to protect themselves and find a partner who respects them

[user104658]

Sounds like you're raising her to be a man hater. So she'll never have a real man about to protect her, she'll only have her cats.

You clearly have no idea the effect that social media presences like Tate have had on young boys Alf. These lads are putting their hands round girl's necks for saying no to going to the cinema with them. Certainly not about man hating, anyone who has these boys best interests at heart will keep them as far away from these influences as possible, because they're otherwise going to end up sad & alone on Reddit forums talking about how awful women are... for the rest of their lives.

That's if they don't end up getting so frustrated and violent with someone that they end up in jail instead.

[Alf]

You clearly have no idea the effect that social media presences like Tate have had on young boys Alf. These lads are putting their hands round girl's necks for saying no to going to the cinema with them. Certainly not about man hating, anyone who has these boys best interests at heart will keep them as far away from these influences as possible, because they're otherwise going to end up sad & alone on Reddit forums talking about how awful women are... for the rest of their lives.

That's if they don't end up getting so frustrated and violent with someone that they end up in jail instead.What's the difference with Tate talking about how woeful women are and the tens of thousands of women who talk about how woeful men are?

[Alf]

Do you think those man hating feminists are just as dangerous with their opinions as you believe Tate is?

[user104658]

I'm not getting into this on here Alf, you clearly don't know half of what Andrew Tate peddles or what he's done (or you believe the conspiracy nonsense that he's being framed) and the question above - "isn't man-hating just as bad as violent men threatening women" - is just too deep into Redpill rhetoric for me to even bother addressing. For what it's worth I hope you escape the clutches of this chronically online propaganda eventually because it genuinely makes me sad to think that you might be lonely forever.

[AnnieK]

I have a pre-teen son and I regularly go through his internet history - but we do it together and discuss what he's been watching. He is hitting puberty like a train and as all kids his age is glued to his phone. He is still (thankfully) very open with me and more into gaming than girls at the minute but we have had a lot of communication from school regarding questionable sites that some of the kids have been accessing....

They have access to so much that it is very easy for them to slip down some pretty dodgy wormholes.

Prior research and open and honest dialogue with kids is required to make sure they are not flooded with toxic content.

[Alf]

I'm not getting into this on here Alf, you clearly don't know half of what Andrew Tate peddles or what he's done (or you believe the conspiracy nonsense that he's being framed) and the question above - "isn't man-hating just as bad as violent men threatening women" - is just too deep into Redpill rhetoric for me to even bother addressing. For what it's worth I hope you escape the clutches of this chronically online propaganda eventually because it genuinely makes me sad to think that you might be lonely forever.Well so far they haven't charged him with anything or provided any evidence against him yet have him locked up.

If he's done something criminal then charge him and produce the evidence. It isn't much to ask when you're locking someone up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have had the whole Tate discussion with smallest boy LT also

but luckily he has 2 older sisters who also have told him

[bots]

I have a pre-teen son and I regularly go through his internet history - but we do it together and discuss what he's been watching. He is hitting puberty like a train and as all kids his age is glued to his phone. He is still (thankfully) very open with me and more into gaming than girls at the minute but we have had a lot of communication from school regarding questionable sites that some of the kids have been accessing....

They have access to so much that it is very easy for them to slip down some pretty dodgy wormholes.

Prior research and open and honest dialogue with kids is required to make sure they are not flooded with toxic content.

Spot on

[Alf]

Did you have the Jo Brand discussion with your kids?

Are some parents having the Sam Smith discussion right now?

[bots]

The only way to counteract the mess that is the internet is education and who better than parents educating their children on these topics

[GoldHeart]

I'm not getting into this on here Alf, you clearly don't know half of what Andrew Tate peddles or what he's done (or you believe the conspiracy nonsense that he's being framed) and the question above - "isn't man-hating just as bad as violent men threatening women" - is just too deep into Redpill rhetoric for me to even bother addressing. For what it's worth I hope you escape the clutches of this chronically online propaganda eventually because it genuinely makes me sad to think that you might be lonely forever.
I honestly don't know why anyone would still make excuses or downplay Tate's actions. He's a sleaze bag through and through.

[Alf]

I honestly don't know why anyone would still make excuses or downplay Tate's actions. He's a sleaze bag through and through.What were his actions? If people knew them then maybe they wouldn't down play them.

[user104658]

Well so far they haven't charged him with anything or provided any evidence against him yet have him locked up.

If he's done something criminal then charge him and produce the evidence. It isn't much to ask when you're locking someone up.

He's been locked up on charges relating to activities related to organised crime, sex trafficking and rape. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Where did you hear that he hasn't been charged? That's what I mean Alf, you really need to question these sources.

Do you mean why is he locked up if he hasn't yet been convicted of the charges? If so that's because he's a flight risk and would (almost definitely) attempt to leave the country so he's been denied bail.

But yeah, those are the charges. To say these are no charges is just nonsense but it's what I see from Redpillers and Tate fans all the time, which makes me think you're listening to some very dodgy people.

[user104658]

What were his actions? If people knew them then maybe they wouldn't down play them.

"Lover boy" exploitation and sex trafficking, fraud, theft by deception... All of which he openly admitted to on his own websites - probably not realising it was illegal.

[user104658]

Did you have the Jo Brand discussion with your kids?

Are some parents having the Sam Smith discussion right now?

If by Jo Brand you mean "be careful what you say in the Internet" (refer g to her stupid comment about acid attacks) then yes, all the time.

If by "The Sam Smith discussion" you means issues relating to gender and/or porn culture then... Yes, all the time.

:shrug:

[GoldHeart]

"Lover boy" exploitation and sex trafficking, fraud, theft by deception... All of which he openly admitted to on his own websites - probably not realising it was illegal.

More like not giving a damn if it was illegal...I would say.

[Zizu]

I honestly don't know why anyone would still make excuses or downplay Tate's actions. He's a sleaze bag through and through.


I don’t know much , if anything, about him ( I only see disparaging comments though ) Sadly many , many teenage lads idolise him


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[user104658]

More like not giving a damn if it was illegal...I would say.

I genuinely think he thought that because he tricked and exploited them into sex work rather than literally chaining them up, it was "down to them" and he couldn't be held accountable for it.

That said there are videos of him and his brother getting verbally and physically abusive too. The ones where the girls end up sobbing in a heap and then Tate apologists try to tell everyone it's "just role play".

[Alf]

I genuinely think he thought that because he tricked and exploited them into sex work rather than literally chaining them up, it was "down to them" and he couldn't be held accountable for it.

That said there are videos of him and his brother getting verbally and physically abusive too. The ones where the girls end up sobbing in a heap and then Tate apologists try to tell everyone it's "just role play".There are videos of the so called victims that are saying they're not victims.

[Alf]

Do I lie or do I just not sentence a person before all the evidence and facts are given?


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[bots]

why dont you post this in the tate thread rather than this one

[user104658]

There are videos of the so called victims that are saying they're not victims.

:facepalms: Pumps aren't found not guilty of. Pimping because the people they pimped say they don't feel like victims, it's a crime either way.

He's also done it to countless women so having one or two who are loyal to him is not surprising. You know what he's accused of, right? The whole "scam" is getting women to adore him so that they'll work for him in the sex industry.

Its illegal. Full stop.

[Alf]

:facepalms: Pumps aren't found not guilty of. Pimping because the people they pimped say they don't feel like victims, it's a crime either way.

He's also done it to countless women so having one or two who are loyal to him is not surprising. You know what he's accused of, right? The whole "scam" is getting women to adore him so that they'll work for him in the sex industry.

Its illegal. Full stop.How are you the only one that has access to the facts and evidence of this case?

You've sentenced this guy without trial. Maybe question your mindset because it's coming across very tyrannical and authoritarian.

[user104658]

How are you the only one that has access to the facts and evidence of this case?

You've sentenced this guy without trial. Maybe question your mindset because it's coming across very tyrannical and authoritarian.

I'm not, you just are only getting your info from one source, clearly.

I've seen and heard him speak, I've seen videos of him slapping girls about, I've heard the ways he tells you g men they should be living their lives. I don't need a judge or jury to tell me that the guy is a dangerous Redpill piece of trash. Why do you need other people to tell you what your opinion should be?

[GoldHeart]

I'm not, you just are only getting your info from one source, clearly.

I've seen and heard him speak, I've seen videos of him slapping girls about, I've heard the ways he tells you g men they should be living their lives. I don't need a judge or jury to tell me that the guy is a dangerous Redpill piece of trash. Why do you need other people to tell you what your opinion should be?

I've seen videos of him bragging about being a pimp and how he can have as many women as he wants,but how a woman can't do the same. Typical double standard mysogyny at it's finest :bored: .

[Alf]

I'm not, you just are only getting your info from one source, clearly.

I've seen and heard him speak, I've seen videos of him slapping girls about, I've heard the ways he tells you g men they should be living their lives. I don't need a judge or jury to tell me that the guy is a dangerous Redpill piece of trash. Why do you need other people to tell you what your opinion should be?I've seen the video of him slapping a girl around. From that video it looked like it was some sort of sex game and there was no reason to suggest from the video that it wasn't with the woman's consent. Some people are kinky.

I need other people to tell me so that I can eventually get to the truth, because like you, I don't know what's gone on.

[user104658]

I've seen the video of him slapping a girl around. From that video it looked like it was some sort of sex game and there was no reason to suggest from the video that it wasn't with the woman's consent. Some people are kinky.

**** off Alf if its the video I've seen she's clearly shocked when he slaps her and by the end she's crying. There's debate and then there's a step too far, this is just disgusting.

[Alf]

**** off Alf if its the video I've seen she's clearly shocked when he slaps her and by the end she's crying. There's debate and then there's a step too far, this is just disgusting.Was it the video where she's on the bed and then it cuts to them stood up by a door?

I only saw it once, from what I remember, the part on the bed looked like she was playing along. The part when they were stood up looked more aggressive, but who knows what some people get upto in the bedroom behind closed doors.

Some people pay to get tied up, whipped, trodden on and all-sorts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/KeithRSteele/status/1619626309755494401?s=20&t=n55s63dpBwdKBeIDDXrSBQ

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1619966789533958145?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/30/20/67135569-11692575-image-a-2_1675110356018.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sturgeon admitting that when people found out that male prisoners being sent to womens prisons she stepped in but if people did not find out she didnt bother ...:skull:

https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1620132248329801728?s=20&t=eR3NREcZrbMHJJlgy60Tsw

[GoldHeart]

Sturgeon admitting that when people found out that male prisoners being sent to womens prisons she stepped in but if people did not find out she didnt bother ...:skull:

https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1620132248329801728?s=20&t=eR3NREcZrbMHJJlgy60Tsw

She needs to go ASAP

[bots]

she is pushing responsibility on to the prison service and then tying herself in knots trying to answer questions. Surely Scottish people will say enough is enough

[Niamh.]

And here is a Trans Activist responding to the interview basically saying that yes male rapists should be housed with women and Nicola Sturgeon is transphobic.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnwgKM8XwAA3M-P?format=jpg&name=large

[user104658]

And here is a Trans Activist responding to the interview basically saying that yes male rapists should be housed with women and Nicola Sturgeon is transphobic.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnwgKM8XwAA3M-P?format=jpg&name=large

They're not wrong to be fair, Nicola is trying to have her cake and eat it too... which is why she's stumbling around all over the place. The truth of course is that she knows what the sensible answer is but - like many people - is afraid of being branded transphobic (politically) and more importantly afraid of "aligning with Tories". She's spitting the Kool-Aid at people but I'm very, very doubtful that she's actually swallowed any herself. I don't see "real" ideology in her - just a political position she's decided to take.

She may well of course believe that trans rights are important too - as many of us do - but she recognises the objective reality that there is a fundamental difference between a woman and a trans woman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

like mosy people she believes trans women are trans women and to "believe" they are real born women is crazy but is too scared to say it

this is where we are with actual political leaders in 2023

[Niamh.]

They're not wrong to be fair, Nicola is trying to have her cake and eat it too... which is why she's stumbling around all over the place. The truth of course is that she knows what the sensible answer is but - like many people - is afraid of being branded transphobic (politically) and more importantly afraid of "aligning with Tories".

Oh yeah for sure but I'm glad that it's all been spelled out so plainly for all to see now and right in proper main stream media. The message is :

If you think male rapists who say they identify as women should not be housed with female prisoners, you are transphobic.

I think that makes the vast majority of the general public transphobic then :shrug:

[user104658]

The sad irony is that we'd probaby be lightyears ahead on trans rights and safety if it WAS acknowledged that trans women are not women, but people who have chosen to live as women, accepted that for what it is and set about finding innovative solutions for trans people specifically that have nothing to do with trying to shoehorn them into women's spaces and women's rights. Trans people (the ones who were already trans - not the ones who fake it to get into a different prison specifically) genuinely are both;

1) A risk to women in women's prisons, even if non-violent, they are a psychological risk to a building full of captive traumatised women.

but also

2) At significant risk of harm in male prisons.

The real issue is never going to be addressed if we just keep pretending that one or the other "must be" the appropriate decision.

[Alf]

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[Niamh.]

The sad irony is that we'd probaby be lightyears ahead on trans rights and safety if it WAS acknowledged that trans women are not women, but people who have chosen to live as women, accepted that for what it is and set about finding innovative solutions for trans people specifically that have nothing to do with trying to shoehorn them into women's spaces and women's rights. Trans people (the ones who were already trans - not the ones who fake it to get into a different prison specifically) genuinely are both;

1) A risk to women in women's prisons, even if non-violent, they are a psychological risk to a building full of captive traumatised women.

but also

2) At significant risk of harm in male prisons.

The real issue is never going to be addressed if we just keep pretending that one or the other "must be" the appropriate decision.

Yep, the foundations were built on a simple lie "TWAW", forcing people to swallow that lie was never going to be sustainable and we've been saying for years now that trying to make everyone bend to your will like they have been was eventually going to harm genuine trans people, ie those who actually have dysphoria. And it's actually harmed LGB acceptance too which I hate to see.

[GoldHeart]

The sad irony is that we'd probaby be lightyears ahead on trans rights and safety if it WAS acknowledged that trans women are not women, but people who have chosen to live as women, accepted that for what it is and set about finding innovative solutions for trans people specifically that have nothing to do with trying to shoehorn them into women's spaces and women's rights. Trans people (the ones who were already trans - not the ones who fake it to get into a different prison specifically) genuinely are both;

1) A risk to women in women's prisons, even if non-violent, they are a psychological risk to a building full of captive traumatised women.

but also

2) At significant risk of harm in male prisons.

The real issue is never going to be addressed if we just keep pretending that one or the other "must be" the appropriate decision.


Because people and the system are both stupid and tone deaf .

For e.g dressing rooms / changing rooms , this only works if there's individual cubicles with doors & locks . Look at the mess Primark caused.... with mixed gender dressing rooms. All that separated was a curtain :facepalm: . So of course predators took advantage,and tried to harass a woman in there .

As for the bathroom issue, I know some say we have to be careful of misgendering down a slippery slope. I will agree that some masculine women have been mistaken for men in women's bathrooms ...which is really unfortunate for them.

But whether we like it or not , our eyes will always judge a very masculine looking person as 'male' & a very 'feminine' person as female. That's just how our brains work.

And if you identify as the opposite gender, you should atleast make the effort to pass... especially so you don't stick out like a sore thumb :shrug:. I know not everyone will like that but it's socially a fact . A man with a beard and a wig walking into a woman's bathroom...is going to make other women uncomfortable.

Also I think there should be more disabled / stand alone toilets. I go to a office building that is mixed gender toilets ,but it's like going to a disabled toilet. You have your own space . Same with coffee shops etc. The only thing I hate is when some men leave the toilet seat up .

As for the prison argument , if you're clearly exploiting a loophole and only 'transitioned' after you've committed a crime / been arrested and you're a 'trans woman' . Then straight in the men's prison you go. Also another thing which will make sense is to have an entirely different wing and block with just trans prisoners, so that other prisoners feel safe .

[Niamh.]

TWAW except for........

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnwhLHVXgAE2HUG?format=jpg&name=small

So this guy see's Transwomen as real women when it comes to playing against women in sport, getting undressed with women in changing rooms, giving intimate exams/searches to or on women, when they commit violent crimes and are housed in womens prisons................but not when it comes to him actually dating one no no no that's too far. Basically they're real women when it effects women but not when it effects men. Got it.

[bots]

i think what's obvious is that the issues are not going away and the various voices are just going to get louder and louder. I think it's going to get a lot nastier before positive strides are taken

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another spineless politician pretending to be woke

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[Cherie]

Another spineless politician pretending to be woke

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:facepalm:

Why are they wasting time and resources risk assessing sexually violent men who now identify as women to see if they are suitable for womens prisons ..that is barmy ...

[Oliver_W]

:facepalm:

Why are they wasting time and resources risk assessing sexually violent men who now identify as women to see if they are suitable for womens prisons ..that is barmy ...

Yup, just put them in their respective prisons' Vulnerable Prisoners' Unit or whatever they're called.

Giving even more bandwidth to this in parliamentary time helps no-one.

[bots]

it seems that Sturgeon is prepared to put the future of the whole snp party on this issue. The party has been told that anyone that doesnt support the SNP's gender reforms is not welcome in the party and should leave

[user104658]

it seems that Sturgeon is prepared to put the future of the whole snp party on this issue. The party has been told that anyone that doesnt support the SNP's gender reforms is not welcome in the party and should leave

They're too far down a narrow road to do a U turn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yet although gender-critical feminists are winning public opinion, major changes
often happen with no need for legislation, and in spite of the collapse of self-ID
arguments. Well before the GRR bill, the Scottish Prison Service’s policy on
trans inmates was already effectively gender self-ID. Semantics frequently
trump physical reality. In a particularly harrowing case that Baroness Nicholson
of Winterbourne raised in the Lords last year, staff at a hospital were accused of
obstructing police investigating an alleged rape on a single-sex ward, insisting,
despite CCTV evidence to the contrary, that the rape “could not have happened”
because the victim’s alleged attacker was trans and, according to the legal
definition, a rape can only be carried out by a physically intact man.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/31/sturgeons-gender-ideology-imploding-real-time/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2023/01/31/TELEMMGLPICT000323338870_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq-Op9YN1glaxxLlinUpjCtteQZYSrmmQOb421lFnWdXk.jpeg?im width=500

[Cherie]

staff at a hospital were accused of
obstructing police investigating an alleged rape on a single-sex ward, insisting,
despite CCTV evidence to the contrary, that the rape “could not have happened”
because the victim’s alleged attacker was trans and, according to the legal
definition, a rape can only be carried out by a physically intact man.


Very early on in this debate I pointed out female patients could be at risk but I was laughed at.... sad that it has come to this

It won't be long before some man enters a womans refuge and kills his partner

[Niamh.]

Yet although gender-critical feminists are winning public opinion, major changes
often happen with no need for legislation, and in spite of the collapse of self-ID
arguments. Well before the GRR bill, the Scottish Prison Service’s policy on
trans inmates was already effectively gender self-ID. Semantics frequently
trump physical reality. In a particularly harrowing case that Baroness Nicholson
of Winterbourne raised in the Lords last year, staff at a hospital were accused of
obstructing police investigating an alleged rape on a single-sex ward, insisting,
despite CCTV evidence to the contrary, that the rape “could not have happened”
because the victim’s alleged attacker was trans and, according to the legal
definition, a rape can only be carried out by a physically intact man.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/31/sturgeons-gender-ideology-imploding-real-time/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2023/01/31/TELEMMGLPICT000323338870_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq-Op9YN1glaxxLlinUpjCtteQZYSrmmQOb421lFnWdXk.jpeg?im width=500

That's actually Orwellian

[Beso]

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-paedophile-charter/

[Oliver_W]

https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-paedophile-charter/

Worth a thread of its own tbh

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[user104658]

Trump jumping onto people's genuine concerns to peddle fake firebrand Christian nuclear family propaganda to his hillbilly followers is the last thing any of us needs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola Sturgeon has undermined her own self-identification gender scheme
after she refused three times to say a transgender rapist who claims to be a
woman was female.


Douglas Ross, the Scottish Tory leader, argued that rape could only be
committed by a man and repeatedly challenged the First Minister over whether
she agreed with her Justice Secretary that Isla Bryson was a woman.


The First Minister insisted she "does not have enough information" to make a
decision despite agreeing that the double rapist was "almost certainly" only
claiming to be transgender as an "easy way out".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/02/sturgeon-gender-policy-disarray-refuses-say-transgender-rapist/

[user104658]

Nicola Sturgeon has undermined her own self-identification gender scheme
after she refused three times to say a transgender rapist who claims to be a
woman was female.


Douglas Ross, the Scottish Tory leader, argued that rape could only be
committed by a man and repeatedly challenged the First Minister over whether
she agreed with her Justice Secretary that Isla Bryson was a woman.


The First Minister insisted she "does not have enough information" to make a
decision despite agreeing that the double rapist was "almost certainly" only
claiming to be transgender as an "easy way out".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/02/sturgeon-gender-policy-disarray-refuses-say-transgender-rapist/

To be fair I actually don't know where the idea that the definition says it must be a man comes from... it's actually not true. The legal definition is that it has to involve a penis -- it doesn't actually specify that it can't be "a woman's penis" so if legally a woman can have a penis, then legally a woman can absolutely be guilty of rape.

In practice of course it absolutely decimates decades of crime statistics and renders them functionally meaningless.

[bots]

what they are trying to do is wear people down into submission. If Nicky says it's ok, it must be ok. All they have to do is have the neck to speak complete bollocks for a year or 2 and the jobs done

[Cherie]

Nicola Sturgeon has undermined her own self-identification gender scheme
after she refused three times to say a transgender rapist who claims to be a
woman was female.


Douglas Ross, the Scottish Tory leader, argued that rape could only be
committed by a man and repeatedly challenged the First Minister over whether
she agreed with her Justice Secretary that Isla Bryson was a woman.


The First Minister insisted she "does not have enough information" to make a
decision despite agreeing that the double rapist was "almost certainly" only
claiming to be transgender as an "easy way out".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/02/sturgeon-gender-policy-disarray-refuses-say-transgender-rapist/


She can’t believe they are female otherwise they would be in a female prison...the woman is nuts

[Crimson Dynamo]

She can’t believe they are female otherwise they would be in a female prison...the woman is nuts

just like Starmer

terrified to alienate a tiny minority of 20-year-old screaming men and pink haired girls

sickening

dont vote for these simps people

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYFtsPvt/

[Crimson Dynamo]

oO7WgGX-aKc

:facepalm:

[Cherie]

oO7WgGX-aKc

:facepalm:

Oh my what a victim he is

[user104658]

You know, I'm starting to wonder if part of the problem is that most of the people calling for it to be shortened are younger, and still at an age where they think 6 months sounds like a long wait? 6 months (or a year, or even two) is the blink of an eye but I think maybe that only starts to become obvious as you get older.

[Beso]

63 reasons.



F1VvjVdX2UM

[Cherie]

63 reasons.



F1VvjVdX2UM

urgh at the usual violence and disgusting terminology used against women


:clap1: at Kelly et al

[Crimson Dynamo]

More than 60 per cent of transgender prisoners behind bars in Scotland only
began transitioning after they were locked up, it has emerged.

Data obtained under Freedom of Information laws state there were, at the start
of last month, 19 transgender prisoners in custody, 12 of whom (63 per cent)
are recorded as beginning their transition “after their date of admission”.

There were seven trans women - biological men identifying as female - being
allowed to serve their sentences in the women’s estate, despite the public and
political outcry this year over fake transgender double rapist Isla Bryson.


Kenny MacAskill, the Alba Party MP and a former SNP justice secretary, said:
“This is far from reassuring and confirms that self-ID is being used to
avoid going to male prisons by male prisoners who have convictions for very
serious crimes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/27/60pc-scotlands-trans-prisoners-began-transitioning-convicted/

[Cherie]

More than 60 per cent of transgender prisoners behind bars in Scotland only
began transitioning after they were locked up, it has emerged.

Data obtained under Freedom of Information laws state there were, at the start
of last month, 19 transgender prisoners in custody, 12 of whom (63 per cent)
are recorded as beginning their transition “after their date of admission”.

There were seven trans women - biological men identifying as female - being
allowed to serve their sentences in the women’s estate, despite the public and
political outcry this year over fake transgender double rapist Isla Bryson.


Kenny MacAskill, the Alba Party MP and a former SNP justice secretary, said:
“This is far from reassuring and confirms that self-ID is being used to
avoid going to male prisons by male prisoners who have convictions for very
serious crimes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/27/60pc-scotlands-trans-prisoners-began-transitioning-convicted/

This can’t be happening...the Telegraph must be anti trans ...

[Zizu]

More than 60 per cent of transgender prisoners behind bars in Scotland only
began transitioning after they were locked up, it has emerged.

Data obtained under Freedom of Information laws state there were, at the start
of last month, 19 transgender prisoners in custody, 12 of whom (63 per cent)
are recorded as beginning their transition “after their date of admission”.

There were seven trans women - biological men identifying as female - being
allowed to serve their sentences in the women’s estate, despite the public and
political outcry this year over fake transgender double rapist Isla Bryson.


Kenny MacAskill, the Alba Party MP and a former SNP justice secretary, said:
“This is far from reassuring and confirms that self-ID is being used to
avoid going to male prisons by male prisoners who have convictions for very
serious crimes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/27/60pc-scotlands-trans-prisoners-began-transitioning-convicted/


It’s absolute bollox if they’re simply taking their own word for them identifying as a woman then sending them to a women’x prison


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[Zizu]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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So far down the rabbit hole now

[Oliver_W]

We're not the arbiters of who is or isn't trans.

I mean, obviously no transwoman should be inprisoned with women or be in their sports etc, but if they want to be called "she" there's not much reason to not play along tbh

[Zizu]

Slight tangent but ..

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[Livia]

We're not the arbiters of who is or isn't trans.

I mean, obviously no transwoman should be inprisoned with women or be in their sports etc, but if they want to be called "she" there's not much reason to not play along tbh

I won't bow to their delusion. They're trans women, not simply women.

[Oliver_W]

I won't bow to their delusion. They're trans women, not simply women.

Oh I agree that transwomen are separate to women.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling


That thing that never happens has happened again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1873485100224028672/VhVL6fCb?format=jpg&name=small

Hulking trans child molester repeatedly sexually assaulted female cellmate after
being transferred to women’s prison

https://nypost.com/2024/12/29/us-news/transgender-inmate-sexually-assaulted-cellmate-at-womens-prison-suit/

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GiLFWCvWgAAO7eG?format=jpg&name=small

[Livia]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GiLFWCvWgAAO7eG?format=jpg&name=small

On the NHS I suppose.

I'd reduce his adam's apple for him.