BBC2HD Shamima Begum Story Tuesday 7th Feb. 9PM-10:30PM

[arista]

90mins Documentary
This Tuesday

She is now aged 23.


Taken from the Podcast series.


Journalist Josh Baker
asks her questions.

http://www.joshwbaker.com/

He is a good, hardworking Journalist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

f off bbc making a a prog on this vile terrorist

dont pay your license fee

[arista]

f off bbc making a prog on this vile terrorist

dont pay your license fee



I am recording it
as she admits she was Guilty of joining Isis


Josh worked hard to get what people wanted to know.

Also, are the Labour Party
are they the same at keeping her out?

[arista]

The Magazine from Yesterday's Saturday Times

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoJhx2AWQAMPuMR?format=jpg&name=small

[Alf]

Should we campaign to bring home Andrew Tate?

[arista]

Should we campaign to bring home Andrew Tate?

He Prefers USA

[Alf]

He Prefers USAHe doesn't, he see's himself more as UK. He told Piers Morgan that. He lived most his life in England.

[arista]

He doesn't, he see's himself more as UK. He told Piers Morgan that. He lived most his life in England.


That was his happy past

I watched that Interview
before he went back to get arrested
but not Charged?

[arista]

This has 2nd showing, this Friday Night
12:55AM BBC2HD

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/11/07/66444355-11622241-image-a-6_1673423509815.jpg
[The BBC said the podcast
is not an opportunity for Begum to tell
her story unchallenged but is a
'robust public interest investigation']


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11726047/Sickened-viewers-slam-BBC-vow-cancel-licences-Shamima-Begum-documentary.html

[Redway]

I really don’t know what to think about Shamima after watching that documentary. She’s a very strange character.

[Redway]

I don’t think Huda Mukbil really knows what dissociation means.

[GoldHeart]

I really don’t know what to think about Shamima after watching that documentary. She’s a very strange character.

What did she say in the documentary?, was there any point to the programme ?.

[Zizu]

What did she say in the documentary?, was there any point to the programme ?.


I saw a few seconds online where she was seemingly blaming all the hatred towards her on the MEDIA


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[arista]

I saw a few seconds online where she was seemingly blaming all the hatred towards her on the MEDIA



Thats not enough
this is 90mins


I missed recording this.

So I am now recording the 2nd showing Friday late night
I find it much easy to play using my sky remote control
and not going onto iPlayer

[bots]

i refuse to watch it

[arista]

i refuse to watch it


Thats fair enough.

[Crimson Dynamo]

the BBC desperate to portray this lowlife as a victim

[Redway]

What did she say in the documentary?, was there any point to the programme ?.

There are definitely worse ways to pass a Wednesday evening so I enjoyed watching it but at the end of the day Shamima knows what she did. She basically got caught up with the wrong crowd (all three girls, mind, were seemingly just normal, even good/intelligent, students until they got ISIS-indoctrinated) and ended up making the biggest mistake of her life by going over to Syria as a 15-year-old, getting married to an older guy and losing two (or three; I can’t even remember how many times she said she got pregnant while she was with him) of her kids. I do sympathise with her but it is kind of hard to believe that she seriously had no idea what ISIS was truly about when she first signed up and wasn’t able to take any cue whatsoever from the news/media about the dangers of it just because she was a teenager. But at the end of the day none of us really know her so it’s hard to say. I just know that I wouldn’t like to have been her during those years.

[Redway]

One thing about Shamima that’s definitely kept is her social awkwardness. She didn’t seem like she could even get a sentence out without stuttering but nonetheless she’s obviously quite intelligent and articulate besides that. Not really trying to offer her any other praise after what she did but it’s safe to say she’s glown up a bit and she isn’t exactly stupid (which is why she should’ve known better).

[Niamh.]

One thing about Shamima that’s definitely kept is her social awkwardness. She didn’t seem like she could even get a sentence out without stuttering but nonetheless she’s obviously quite intelligent and articulate besides that. Not really trying to offer her any other praise after what she did but it’s safe to say she’s glown up a bit and she isn’t exactly stupid (which is why she should’ve known better).

Not praise but facts are she was groomed and radicalised online as a 15 year old, I don't believe at that age she could possibly have a real understanding of what she was doing/taking on

[GoldHeart]

There are definitely worse ways to pass a Wednesday evening so I enjoyed watching it but at the end of the day Shamima knows what she did. She basically got caught up with the wrong crowd (all three girls, mind, were seemingly just normal, even good/intelligent, students until they got ISIS-indoctrinated) and ended up making the biggest mistake of her life by going over to Syria as a 15-year-old, getting married to an older guy and losing two (or three; I can’t even remember how many times she said she got pregnant while she was with him) of her kids. I do sympathise with her but it is kind of hard to believe that she seriously had no idea what ISIS was truly about when she first signed up and wasn’t able to take any cue whatsoever from the news/media about the dangers of it just because she was a teenager. But at the end of the day none of us really know her so it’s hard to say. I just know that I wouldn’t like to have been her during those years.

I believe the whole thing has effed her head up , but I agree that she was radicalised & brainwashed...but she still must have known this was wrong or atleast dangerous on some level. She was 15 not 9 so yeah .

Especially when isis was all over the news at the time aswell.

[hijaxers]

i refuse to watch it

Same i don't agree with the programme being made .

[Beso]

Not praise but facts are she was groomed and radicalised online as a 15 year old, I don't believe at that age she could possibly have a real understanding of what she was doing/taking on

I agree.

You wouldnt punish a 15yr old who ran away to meet the person who groomed them online.

Shes probably been punished enough and should be brought home imo.

[bots]

a 15 year old is perfectly capable of making their own mind up, planning a trip, and covering their tracks. I don't believe the .... she was groomed story ... for a moment

[Zizu]

a 15 year old is perfectly capable of making their own mind up, planning a trip, and covering their tracks. I don't believe the .... she was groomed story ... for a moment


She’s apparently very intelligent so I’m wondering if she’d heard all the rumours and stories about what happens to young girls joining ISIS but decided to ignore or discard them ..


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[MTVN]

I'll start watching this tonight I think. I'm a bit torn on it - I do believe in second chances and she was only 15. Getting groomed and sucked into extremism at that age is very common, I flirted with some pretty warped ideas myself around that age. Going to the lengths she did to act on it is quite different though. Two big issues as well were that she didn't show much remorse at first and still defended things like the Manchester bombing. We also don't know what she actually did out there - some reports said she was very closely involved in preparing suicide bombs and things like that. So it's hard to feel any sympathy for her plight but maybe I'll be persuaded otherwise

[Niamh.]

a 15 year old is perfectly capable of making their own mind up, planning a trip, and covering their tracks. I don't believe the .... she was groomed story ... for a moment15 year olds are children

[MTVN]

Well in the first few seconds she says a lot of the anger is directed at her 'because she's been put on the media so much' then says 'what was there to obsess over - we went to ISIS, that was it, it's over. They just wanted to continue the story' :skull:

Not the best start

[Redway]

I'll start watching this tonight I think. I'm a bit torn on it - I do believe in second chances and she was only 15. Getting groomed and sucked into extremism at that age is very common, I flirted with some pretty warped ideas myself around that age. Going to the lengths she did to act on it is quite different though. Two big issues as well were that she didn't show much remorse at first and still defended things like the Manchester bombing. We also don't know what she actually did out there - some reports said she was very closely involved in preparing suicide bombs and things like that. So it's hard to feel any sympathy for her plight but maybe I'll be persuaded otherwise

Like (if I may ask)?

[thesheriff443]

Not praise but facts are she was groomed and radicalised online as a 15 year old, I don't believe at that age she could possibly have a real understanding of what she was doing/taking on

If isis was still in control of the areas that they held and she was still with them, she would happily cut your throat.

She is telling people what they want to hear, she has no remorse.

It’s like murderers or sex attackers that convince the parole board they are sorry

Be better off if she had a bullet in her head like so many others.

[Zizu]

I'll start watching this tonight I think. I'm a bit torn on it - I do believe in second chances and she was only 15. Getting groomed and sucked into extremism at that age is very common, I flirted with some pretty warped ideas myself around that age. Going to the lengths she did to act on it is quite different though. Two big issues as well were that she didn't show much remorse at first and still defended things like the Manchester bombing. We also don't know what she actually did out there - some reports said she was very closely involved in preparing suicide bombs and things like that. So it's hard to feel any sympathy for her plight but maybe I'll be persuaded otherwise


I don’t think there’s any coming back from her widely reported views and showing no remorse as regards the horrific Manchester bombing


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[MTVN]

I've finished watching this now and it was fascinating. I think she's really become very detached and desensitised to the full horror of what ISIS did. She talks about going there as if it was a silly thing to do and describes it quite flippantly - 'we left, we went to ISIS, that was it' and stuff like that. All the bad things that happened just seen like they were a bit of an inconvenience.

The trauma she's gone through is massive - married off to a stranger at 15, all three of her kids dying, two other failed pregnancies, walking miles across the dessert when heavily pregnant, her best friends being blown up etc. And then she talked about seeing heads in bins and how that didn't faze her. She still doesn't really feel any guilt because she just said everything would have happened anyway and I think there's a lot of things she hasn't admitted. You don't stay in ISIS for four years without seeing and probably doing some pretty awful things.

[MTVN]

Like (if I may ask)?

Pretty right wing stuff. When I first got into politics when I was 14 or so I used to debate with another kid - he was the very left wing guy and I was the right wing. That sent me down some online rabbit holes, I used to browse the BNP website and things like that as this was the time they were having a fair bit of success electorally

[hijaxers]

I've finished watching this now and it was fascinating. I think she's really become very detached and desensitised to the full horror of what ISIS did. She talks about going there as if it was a silly thing to do and describes it quite flippantly - 'we left, we went to ISIS, that was it' and stuff like that. All the bad things that happened just seen like they were a bit of an inconvenience.

The trauma she's gone through is massive - married off to a stranger at 15, all three of her kids dying, two other failed pregnancies, walking miles across the dessert when heavily pregnant, her best friends being blown up etc. And then she talked about seeing heads in bins and how that didn't faze her. She still doesn't really feel any guilt because she just said everything would have happened anyway and I think there's a lot of things she hasn't admitted. You don't stay in ISIS for four years without seeing and probably doing some pretty awful things.


So what is your opinion after watching ~ we don't want her back ?

[MTVN]

So what is your opinion after watching ~ we don't want her back ?

I think she doesn't really have any remorse and still doesn't understand that she did much wrong. I'm not even sure she thinks ISIS did that much wrong. That makes her very dangerous still and she'd need to be subject to a lot of monitoring and should serve some prison time here.

The only thing in her defence is that she has been through massive trauma so that would have a very lasting effect and partly explain why she comes across so emotionless. I do feel some sympathy for losing three children as well. I don't think depriving her of her citizenship and making her stateless for life was right either, I think she is the UK's responsibility even if we don't like it

[Cherie]

I think she doesn't really have any remorse and still doesn't understand that she did much wrong. I'm not even sure she thinks ISIS did that much wrong. That makes her very dangerous still and she'd need to be subject to a lot of monitoring and should serve some prison time here.

The only thing in her defence is that she has been through massive trauma so that would have a very lasting effect and partly explain why she comes across so emotionless. I do feel some sympathy for losing three children as well. I don't think depriving her of her citizenship and making her stateless for life was right either, I think she is the UK's responsibility even if we don't like it

I agree with this, we cant have it both ways deport those we dont want and keep citizens out we dont want, she should be here, but in prison

[Beso]

[/B]

I agree with this, we cant have it both ways deport those we dont want and keep citizens out we dont want, she should be here, but in prison

No.

Not in prison. In schools talking about her ordeal would be better.



Supervised of course. After being treated for PTSD as well

[Beso]

If isis was still in control of the areas that they held and she was still with them, she would happily cut your throat.

She is telling people what they want to hear, she has no remorse.

It’s like murderers or sex attackers that convince the parole board they are sorry

Be better off if she had a bullet in her head like so many others.



Could easily have been a choice....cut the throat, or you get stoned to death.

[Redway]

Pretty right wing stuff. When I first got into politics when I was 14 or so I used to debate with another kid - he was the very left wing guy and I was the right wing. That sent me down some online rabbit holes, I used to browse the BNP website and things like that as this was the time they were having a fair bit of success electorally

Bloody hell, man. Very dodgy rabbit-hole indeed but thank God you can see those ultra right-wingers (not that people on the extreme left are much better, granted) for what they are. We all know teenagers can be highly impressionable.