NHS strike action, 4 days from 11 April.

[arista]

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[Fresh NHS strikes by several unions
have been paused after the
government put an extra £2.5 billion
on the table to fund a pay rise for
thousands of healthcare staff.

A government spokesperson
said: "The government... have completed
negotiations and reached a final offer.]


https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-strike-action-to-be-paused-after-union-recommends-members-accept-improved-pay-offer-12835466

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64977269

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[user104658]

It's a terrible deal. In Scotland they got 12.5% over two years with a large chunk backdated, and lower bands got nearer 20%. Even the middle bands got nearer 15%.

5% is a real-terms pay cut below the rate of inflation. Beginning of the end for The NHS in England.

[joeysteele]

It seems on paper a poor deal really.
I agree with SB.

They deserve much better than this.
What assurances too have been given now as to staffing and the conditions too.

I fear the staff themselves are likely to accept this but must be left in the main, feeling badly let down overall.

[Zizu]

I wonder what that CASH lump sum amounts to ??


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[Cherie]

I wonder what that CASH lump sum amounts to ??


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1250.00

trivial

[Zizu]

1250.00

trivial


To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?


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[arista]

To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?




Yes, all workers get that one-off payment

[Zizu]

Yes, all workers get that one-off payment


Ahhh


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[user104658]

To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?


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Yes, all workers get that one-off payment

It will be a flat amount for all full time staff but I would imagine definitely pro-rata.

[Cherie]

Apparently it will be rejected

[arista]

Apparently it will be rejected

Yes,
many are demanding more

[Cherie]

Yes,
many are demanding more

well when you compare it to what the bus drivers, barristers, and firefighters got, it is an insult tbf

[user104658]

Apparently it will be rejected

It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

[user104658]

Realistically accepting less than 8% would be a disaster and even that would have to come with a commitment to another raise of similar in 2024. There's no point in any of this if they then turn around and offer 1% next year.

[MTVN]

Well the lump sum will equate to effectively being another 3-4% salary rise for most staff

Inflation is supposed to fall to 3% by the end of the year so reality is you're unlikely to get a pay offer much exceeding that from next year

[arista]

It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

Yes the lump sum

Possibly, could help it win the vote

[joeysteele]

Realistically accepting less than 8% would be a disaster and even that would have to come with a commitment to another raise of similar in 2024. There's no point in any of this if they then turn around and offer 1% next year.

Yes.
Rather than the lump sum, which is a one off payment only.

Had they upgraded the current years salary by a further whatever % going forward.

Then put the 5% rise for 2024/25 on top of that .
This would make more sense.

As it is they are getting a one off only payment with no change to the current salary rates.
So the 5% is only on top of this years old salary rate.

Meaning in effect a continued pay cut.

[user104658]

Yes the lump sum

Possibly, could help it win the vote

Exactly. People are currently desperate for a boost and will cave for what is essentially a bribe.

[Cherie]

It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.

The mood music is that it will be rejected

[Zizu]

We need a different approach to negotiations ..

I choose violence :)

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[user104658]

We need a different approach to negotiations ..

I choose violence :)

( Game of Thrones reference - 1 min 37 secs)

https://youtu.be/tt_gPXpx0eo


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Sadly there are going to be plenty of deaths, because a proper NHS with skilled staff is going to become a thing of the past, so it'll either be an "OK for those who can afford it" system or just a shadow of the NHS staffed by unskilled minimum wage workers. It's been proven time and again that deskilling the NHS = more patient deaths. And refusing to pay a fair salary is going to result in a skills drain very quickly.

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[Cherie]

1250.00

trivial

I got this figure wrong it's 3000 for lower paid workers

[bots]

a 3 grand payment when times are tough is hard to refuse

[Zizu]

a 3 grand payment when times are tough is hard to refuse


Yep .. that’s a much needed holiday for many


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[Cherie]

Health unions have reached a new deal with the Government, with further strikes involving nurses, ambulance workers and other NHS staff paused as a result.

The breakthrough follows days of talks with the Government over the long-running dispute over pay.

This has led to a series of walkouts by nurses, ambulance crews, paramedics, hospital porters and other health workers in recent months – here’s everything you need to know.

What are the terms of the NHS offer?
Unison said the pay offer to NHS workers in England includes an additional one-off lump sum of 6 per cent for 2022-23 that rises in value up the pay bands, and a 5 percent pay rise on all pay points for 2023-24.



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The one-off sum is worth £1,655 for staff at the bottom of band two (for example porters, cleaners and healthcare assistants), £2,009 for staff at the top of band five (nurses, midwives, physiotherapists), £2,162 at the top of band six (paramedics, health visitors, senior occupational therapists) and £3,789 for staff at the top of band nine.

This 6 per cent payment for this financial year consists of the 4 per cent already on the table, plus a one-off payment of 2 per cent the government has called an “NHS Backlog Bonus” worth at least £1,250 per person.

The 2023-24 offer is a significant increase from the 3.5 per cent on the table at the start of the strike action.

It does not include junior doctors, who staged a 72-hour strike this week and are yet to join talks over their own pay dispute.

[user104658]

I got this figure wrong it's 3000 for lower paid workers

It's not a tax free lump sum it's a pay agreement for 2022-23 that will be backdated to last April, so the more you earn the more you get backdated, and will be pro-rata to hours worked.

[user104658]

Calling a 1.5% increase significant is a joke, let's be real here. Typical take home after pension and student loan repayments for a Band 5 in England is about £2100/month.

1.5% is like £30 a month. The 5% deal amounts to about £100 a month. When utility bills alone have gone up by more than that, never mind rents, mortgages, food and fuel.

Not to mention that the Scottish pay deal sees most nurses get 15% to nearly 20% overall (for lowest paid). There's going to be a huge discrepancy in nurse pay North and South of the border.

Good for Scotland recruitment I guess - any single/unattached nurse without kids etc. living in the North of England must surely now be eyeing jobs North of the border?

[user104658]

Heck if you live in Carlisle you could probably commute to Dumfries & Galloway and get a several thousand £ pay increase for the same job :umm2:. Less than an hours drive to D&G Royal Infirmary.

[Cherie]

It's not a tax free lump sum it's a pay agreement for 2022-23 that will be backdated to last April, so the more you earn the more you get backdated, and will be pro-rata to hours worked.

Obviously I know all this, I was just correcting what I said yesterday :shrug:

and I have said the mood music is that it wont be accepted so...

[arista]

I got this figure wrong it's 3000 for lower paid workers


Yes, that much better

[user104658]

I got this figure wrong it's 3000 for lower paid workers

It's not a tax free lump sum it's a pay agreement for 2022-23 that will be backdated to last April, so the more you earn the more you get backdated, and will be pro-rata to hours worked.

[user104658]

Obviously I know all this, I was just correcting what I said yesterday :shrug:

and I have said the mood music is that it wont be accepted so...

I dunno where the £3000 figure is coming from though, it's like £1200-£1600 for full time lower bands, and lower paid workers get less than higher paid.

[Cherie]

It's not a tax free lump sum it's a pay agreement for 2022-23 that will be backdated to last April, so the more you earn the more you get backdated, and will be pro-rata to hours worked.

Nobody mentioned tax free apart from you :laugh:

[Cherie]

I dunno where the £3000 figure is coming from though, it's like £1200-£1600 for full time lower bands, and lower paid workers get less than higher paid.

It was mentioned on LBC which is why I posted the actual terms

[user104658]

Nobody's getting a sniff of 3k I think someone must have fudged their numbers.

[arista]

Nobody's getting a sniff of 3k I think someone must have fudged their numbers.


Yes not on any Main TV news.

So must have been a Expert on LBC Live
Sending Cherie down a rabbit hole

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SkyNews Text
[The news that a fresh wave of
NHS strikes are set to take place.

Operations are due to be cancelled across
the country as junior doctors walk out
for four days from 11 April,
the paper reports.]

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[UserSince2005]

Safer to not go in to an nhs hospital and just risk your chance at fate tbh