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Old 16-03-2023, 02:51 PM #1
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Default NHS strike action, 4 days from 11 April.

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[Fresh NHS strikes by several unions
have been paused after the
government put an extra £2.5 billion
on the table to fund a pay rise for
thousands of healthcare staff.

A government spokesperson
said: "The government... have completed
negotiations and reached a final offer.]


https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-strik...offer-12835466

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64977269

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It's a terrible deal. In Scotland they got 12.5% over two years with a large chunk backdated, and lower bands got nearer 20%. Even the middle bands got nearer 15%.

5% is a real-terms pay cut below the rate of inflation. Beginning of the end for The NHS in England.
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It seems on paper a poor deal really.
I agree with SB.

They deserve much better than this.
What assurances too have been given now as to staffing and the conditions too.

I fear the staff themselves are likely to accept this but must be left in the main, feeling badly let down overall.
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I wonder what that CASH lump sum amounts to ??


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1250.00

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To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?


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To everyone or pro rata based on number of years service or hours per week worked or something ?

Yes, all workers get that one-off payment
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Yes, all workers get that one-off payment

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Yes, all workers get that one-off payment
It will be a flat amount for all full time staff but I would imagine definitely pro-rata.
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Apparently it will be rejected
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Apparently it will be rejected
Yes,
many are demanding more
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many are demanding more
well when you compare it to what the bus drivers, barristers, and firefighters got, it is an insult tbf
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Apparently it will be rejected
It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.
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Realistically accepting less than 8% would be a disaster and even that would have to come with a commitment to another raise of similar in 2024. There's no point in any of this if they then turn around and offer 1% next year.
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Well the lump sum will equate to effectively being another 3-4% salary rise for most staff

Inflation is supposed to fall to 3% by the end of the year so reality is you're unlikely to get a pay offer much exceeding that from next year
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It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.
Yes the lump sum

Possibly, could help it win the vote
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Realistically accepting less than 8% would be a disaster and even that would have to come with a commitment to another raise of similar in 2024. There's no point in any of this if they then turn around and offer 1% next year.
Yes.
Rather than the lump sum, which is a one off payment only.

Had they upgraded the current years salary by a further whatever % going forward.

Then put the 5% rise for 2024/25 on top of that .
This would make more sense.

As it is they are getting a one off only payment with no change to the current salary rates.
So the 5% is only on top of this years old salary rate.

Meaning in effect a continued pay cut.
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Yes the lump sum

Possibly, could help it win the vote
Exactly. People are currently desperate for a boost and will cave for what is essentially a bribe.
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It'll go to a union members' vote so there's no way to know really.
The mood music is that it will be rejected
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We need a different approach to negotiations ..

I choose violence

( Game of Thrones reference - 1 min 37 secs)

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I choose violence

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Sadly there are going to be plenty of deaths, because a proper NHS with skilled staff is going to become a thing of the past, so it'll either be an "OK for those who can afford it" system or just a shadow of the NHS staffed by unskilled minimum wage workers. It's been proven time and again that deskilling the NHS = more patient deaths. And refusing to pay a fair salary is going to result in a skills drain very quickly.
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